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Title: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on December 31, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
QuoteThe quickest way to create a captive society is to educate children to hate their own freedom.
Nobody’s feelings were consulted during the making of this video. Anyone who has a problem with that can drop dead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uz19w7tf1U
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2018, 10:54:18 AM
The heroes of the 60s Left ... updated for today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A09RoyXqk9o

Directed against Chinese aggression, not American aggression.

To be edgy in 1939, British youth should have embraced Stalin or Hitler.  Fortunately they did not.

I do love militant youth.  Understand why the goose-step is so popular.  Just bad associations.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Munch on December 31, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
my grandfather fought in a war against oppression and totalitarianism. He could have even died back then fighting against a political system that wanted to control the world and either silence or wipe out peoples freedoms or lives for not being the same as them.

I'm never going to forget that fact, and how much I owe to my grandfather and all the good men who fought and many died to protect peoples values and freedoms from oppression.

This is why when I see a group think trying to force its views on others to conform to their way or be silenced, I'm going to stand against that, because my grandfather didn't risk his life in a war against that kind of mentality, one that can exist on any side of the political spectrum. This is why I have pride in my countries individuality to much to let it be consumed by one think. 
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2018, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Munch on December 31, 2018, 11:10:01 AM
my grandfather fought in a war against oppression and totalitarianism. He could have even died back then fighting against a political system that wanted to control the world and either silence or wipe out peoples freedoms or lives for not being the same as them.

I'm never going to forget that fact, and how much I owe to my grandfather and all the good men who fought and many died to protect peoples values and freedoms from oppression.

This is why when I see a group think trying to force its views on others to conform to their way or be silenced, I'm going to stand against that, because my grandfather didn't risk his life in a war against that kind of mentality, one that can exist on any side of the political spectrum. This is why I have pride in my countries individuality to much to let it be consumed by one think.

But GB Labor Party is the Anglophone mother of all totalitarianisms:

This movie version appropriately has Italian fascist style helmets, and black shirts.  But a mixed metaphor ... the shirts and helmets should be Soviet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y7hHoqb1WQ

A party rally of Progressivism under Mosley ... the true anti-Churchill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPB1jy4vmFA

Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 12:35:16 PM
Occasionally Condell makes a valid point.  Most times he should be wearing one of those stupid, fucking, hats.

(https://i1.wp.com/media.globalnews.ca/videostatic/97/507/1800_TEAHOUSE_MAGA_BACK_VAN0ECL6_Mezz_848x480_1268516419796.jpg?w=372&quality=70&strip=all)


For myself, I keep wondering when they think 'Murrica was so "great?"  I never seem to get an answer from them.  Perhaps you guys can tell me?
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on December 31, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
QuoteFor myself, I keep wondering when they think 'Murrica was so "great?"  I never seem to get an answer from them.  Perhaps you guys can tell me?
That was before the communist persuaded you otherwise.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 12:47:32 PM
And when was that, genius?
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on December 31, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 12:47:32 PM
And when was that, genius?
August the 23rd 1986 at 11:21 AM.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on December 31, 2018, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 12:35:16 PM

For myself, I keep wondering when they think 'Murrica was so "great?"  I never seem to get an answer from them.  Perhaps you guys can tell me?
The United States is a great nation. One of a group of great nations.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: aitm on December 31, 2018, 03:26:34 PM
I don't know if my grandfathers or great uncles ever fought.....never really cared to find out. My brother told me he traced our family back to Jamestown... a rather small dot in American History is that one James Brumfield 16 killed by Indians, 1607 (noted as the first settler to be killed by Indians) I thought that was coolish in that any snooty fuck should start bragging about being a descendent of the Mayflower....."fuck you chump lissen up jack I got you beat by 13 years...." 

Meh....I really don't have a desire to search out family history.....maybe I am a defect.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on December 31, 2018, 03:30:50 PM
I'm descended from eight couples that left Ireland rather suddenly back in the day. (They were Prots in the South.) I was the second person in our line to join the military,   my brother was the first.   My  maternal grandparents grew food for the Italian POWs in the camp down the road from Grandpa's farm. It's a weird world.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 31, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
August the 23rd 1986 at 11:21 AM.


Figures you'd pick a day when that senile old fuck Reagan was president.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2018, 09:56:42 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 12:35:16 PM
Occasionally Condell makes a valid point.  Most times he should be wearing one of those stupid, fucking, hats.

(https://i1.wp.com/media.globalnews.ca/videostatic/97/507/1800_TEAHOUSE_MAGA_BACK_VAN0ECL6_Mezz_848x480_1268516419796.jpg?w=372&quality=70&strip=all)


For myself, I keep wondering when they think 'Murrica was so "great?"  I never seem to get an answer from them.  Perhaps you guys can tell me?

Death to old White males, right?  You really are a delusional 20 year old?

Yes, where there is freedom, there is crime.  Where there is tyranny ... authority is the crime.  Part of the reason why ...

you can't win
you can't break even
you can't even get out of the game.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2018, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 12:47:32 PM
And when was that, genius?

Given you age, perhaps that SDS meeting at Berkeley in 1965?  Or was it the Weathermen, or Symbionese Liberation Army?
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2018, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 31, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
That was before the communist persuaded you otherwise.

Most folks here would prefer Stalin over Churchill or FDR.  They sold their souls.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2018, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 06:32:33 PM

Figures you'd pick a day when that senile old fuck Reagan was president.

So you loved LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter?  Took you that long to figure out we were fucked?

Yeah, I voted for Reagan twice, while a Democrat.  My party's candidates were such losers back then ... and still are.

I do regret voting then ... because of that snake George H W being his Vice.  Even more evil than Cheney.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2018, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: aitm on December 31, 2018, 03:26:34 PM
I don't know if my grandfathers or great uncles ever fought.....never really cared to find out. My brother told me he traced our family back to Jamestown... a rather small dot in American History is that one James Brumfield 16 killed by Indians, 1607 (noted as the first settler to be killed by Indians) I thought that was coolish in that any snooty fuck should start bragging about being a descendent of the Mayflower....."fuck you chump lissen up jack I got you beat by 13 years...." 

Meh....I really don't have a desire to search out family history.....maybe I am a defect.

That's OK.  One of mine didn't get to Jamestown until 1622.  Missed the Powhatan war by ... this much.  But one of his descendants is ancestral to President Thomas Jefferson.  Pocahontas' descendent was our only woman President (2nd Mrs Wilson, ran government for a year while her husband was invalid in the WH).  That is why the 25th amendment was made, not because of Trump.

Jamestown early on was a bad place to be.  Most of the people died from starvation and cannibalism.  Squanto was busy helping Plymouth.  And a serious surprise attack was the Powhatan War in 1622 ... which killed many settlers who did manage to avoid a Darwin Award.  Early on, drug pushing (tobacco) was the only thing that made Virginia viable.  It certainly wasn't the virgins ;-)

The English colonial period was based on the Triangle Trade ... pushing sugar, tobacco and slaves.  Much of the sugar was transported in the form of rum.  Sugar was grown as sugar cane, under terrible conditions in the lower Caribbean.  Both Irish and Africans were enslaved there.  Perhaps bad British teeth are a tradition from the early importation of sugar.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on January 01, 2019, 12:13:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3nvuzAb3Ng
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on January 01, 2019, 12:37:57 AM
Most nearly resembles reeducation meetings with the local Chinese Communist party cadre during the Cultural Revolution ;-(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G0UXnXpABw

Current campus radicals are like Red Guards.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on January 01, 2019, 01:07:10 AM
QuoteCurrent campus radicals are like Red Guards.

Or the Nazi  Sturmabteilung  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung) in the 1930's

Compare the SA insignia with the Antifa logo. Any resemblance?

The methods are very similar. Nothing new under the Sun.
Except the SA didn't need face covering.


Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on January 01, 2019, 01:30:26 AM
Two competing forms of socialism, not exactly opposites.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on January 01, 2019, 01:48:58 AM
"What if I am wrong?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hxeyPjg69k&t=327s
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on January 01, 2019, 05:43:20 AM
Probably crazy from 21 to 34.  Anxiety attacks and fugue states.  But no, I didn't vote for Walter Mondale, I wasn't that crazy ;-)  I voted against George H W in 1988 because I don't trust Deep State.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on January 01, 2019, 06:08:20 AM
“The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” â€" Patrick Henry â€" 1775

This wasn't a speech supporting free medical care, open borders or unlimited SNAP cards.  Liberty doesn't equal freedom.  Freedom involves a lack of responsibility.  Liberty implies the presence of responsibility.  Freedom is what criminals crave, liberty is what citizens crave.

Service guarantees citizenship - Star Ship Troopers
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on January 01, 2019, 06:19:38 AM
Here is another trigger warning. Run for your safe places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3bn_2Oq8y4
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on January 01, 2019, 06:55:07 AM
The original Christian Puritans, were the Donatists in what is now Tunisia in the 4th century.  This was a heresy ... and we all know what should happen with heretics, right?  SJWs are the secular equivalent of Christian Puritans.  A product of the post-Christian degeneracy predicted by Nietzsche and Marx.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: pr126 on January 01, 2019, 08:21:35 AM
They would be very offended, being compared to religious zealots in their Marxist dogma.
But yes, the similarities are striking.

Hypocrites the lot of them with their identity politics, as if they really cared about anyone but themselves.

Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on January 01, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: pr126 on January 01, 2019, 08:21:35 AM
They would be very offended, being compared to religious zealots in their Marxist dogma.
But yes, the similarities are striking.

Hypocrites the lot of them with their identity politics, as if they really cared about anyone but themselves.

Narcissism isn't limited to the commissar/grupenfuhrer wannabes.

Hindsight ... I would have had a draft in 1961, that was universal for men and women.  If you didn't measure up, strip you of citizenship and ship your dysfunctional ass to Vietnam, with Jane Fonda that is.  And no, I would not have invaded S E Asia.  It is a kindness, to give the rebels a taste of their own medicine.  Yes, a little functional totalitarianism would do us good, compared the the dysfunctional totalitarianism (that servers our enemies by mollycoddling Fifth columnists) we have now.
Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 03:49:08 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 31, 2018, 06:32:33 PM

Figures you'd pick a day when that senile old fuck Reagan was president.

When Reagan was Gov of CA, we called him Gov Ray Guns because he was fanatic about threatening students who disagreed with him.  He considered us to be communist trash.

I didn't like him much better as President, of course.  I personally considered him a demented old minor hollywood actor who could read a good speech that his advisors wrote for him, nothing more.

Title: Re: The Anti-American Dream
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2019, 05:20:36 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 03:49:08 AM
When Reagan was Gov of CA, we called him Gov Ray Guns because he was fanatic about threatening students who disagreed with him.  He considered us to be communist trash.

I didn't like him much better as President, of course.  I personally considered him a demented old minor hollywood actor who could read a good speech that his advisors wrote for him, nothing more.

You were communist trash ... but he wasn't a serious threat, except to Grenada.