For the 8th year in a row he loses to Barack Obama as the most admired man!
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx
Also, couldn't help but note that Michelle Obama was the most admired woman and HIllary Clinton beat out Melania the Call Girl.
Hey, hey, hey. No need to get nasty with Melania. She's just doing what she has to.
I stumbled upon a video on Youtube, probably a Joe Rogan video where he and his guest, forget who, were discussing the first lady. One of them said they'd been to the village she was from in Italy. He said it was a "shithole" and that "I would suck an old man's dick if that's what I had to do to get out."
All D women are ugly STD whores? Really?
Quote from: Minimalist on December 28, 2018, 08:48:24 PM
For the 8th year in a row he loses to Barack Obama as the most admired man!
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx
Also, couldn't help but note that Michelle Obama was the most admired woman and HIllary Clinton beat out Melania the Call Girl.
I am not the slightest bit surprised. There is Barack, who spoke in high terms about America, democracy, alliances, goals, inclusion, and hopes for a global future. And lately Michelle Oboma has been speaking of high goals.
And then you have Trump...
I can't list his failures as President; the list is just too long. I, you, and almost anyone chosen at random could have done better than him. It has gotten to the point where anything Trump wants is worth automatically opposing because he is so factually wrong about everything he suggests.
Such a person should not be our President...
Put another way, I would trade Nixon for Trump...
Yes, I would trade Nixon for Trump too. And Eisenhower for everyone since.
Speaking in high brow terms ... how bourgeois of you. No wonder your poli-sci professors impressed you.
Marie Antoinette was well dressed and well spoken also. Perhaps the D party can say ... "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"?
Ah yes, the Paris salon scene was enlightening this year, until the Sans Cullottes (aka Les Deplorables) took us for a head chopping.
A first I admit I kinda liked Trumps -Teddy Roosevelt style of open mouth and let her rip, but he just kept going off the wall too far. Teddy would be fun one in this generation...
Quote from: Baruch on December 28, 2018, 11:24:04 PM
Yes, I would trade Nixon for Trump too. And Eisenhower for everyone since.
Speaking in high brow terms ... how bourgeois of you. No wonder your poli-sci professors impressed you.
Marie Antoinette was well dressed and well spoken also. Perhaps the D party can say ... "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"?
Ah yes, the Paris salon scene was enlightening this year, until the Sans Cullottes (aka Les Deplorables) took us for a head chopping.
Well, in a pragmatic sense, evil competence is better than incompetent evilness, in "some" ways, I suppose.
Quote from: aitm on December 29, 2018, 08:40:59 AM
A first I admit I kinda liked Trumps -Teddy Roosevelt style of open mouth and let her rip, but he just kept going off the wall too far. Teddy would be fun one in this generation...
TR was always direct, but he had positive goals even if you didn't like him or his style. I'm not sure of an comparison between TR and Trump. Some wild cocktail vs flat beer maybe?
Quote from: aitm on December 29, 2018, 08:40:59 AM
A first I admit I kinda liked Trumps -Teddy Roosevelt style of open mouth and let her rip, but he just kept going off the wall too far. Teddy would be fun one in this generation...
Teddy was a whole other class of manliness, a northern Andrew Jackson. Plain speaking, but not gauche.
QuoteYes, I would trade Nixon for Trump too. And Eisenhower for everyone since.
As would I. And Eisenhower was the last republican who was worth a shit.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 10:28:12 AM
As would I. And Eisenhower was the last republican who was worth a shit.
We agree again (being similar in age). I only knew about Eisenhower later, but I liked what I read. I only mentioned Nixon as "better than worse Presidents" as rhetorical.
Sadly, the lesser of two evils remains the lesser evil.
QuoteTeddy was a whole other class of manliness, a northern Andrew Jackson. Plain speaking, but not gauche.
Teddy, except for his Imperialist tendency which was pretty much in vogue at the time, was a great man.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.â€
― Theodore Roosevelt
The Whiny Little Bitch would hate him!
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 10:34:33 AM
Sadly, the lesser of two evils remains the lesser evil.
I blame everything on McNamara and Kissinger.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 10:28:12 AM
As would I. And Eisenhower was the last republican who was worth a shit.
And Ike was not really of any party. Just our fist and only trusted general-President. Both parties wanted him...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 29, 2018, 11:06:42 AM
And Ike was not really of any party. Just our fist and only trusted general-President. Both parties wanted him...
Correct. We were bipartisan, both parties wanted to stifle communists.
Quote from: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 12:29:51 PM
Correct. We were bipartisan, both parties wanted to stifle communists.
You are So sad sometimes....
Eisenhower had proven executive skills, organizing skills on a large organization, and had proven himself an inpirational leader.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 29, 2018, 12:36:14 PM
You are So sad sometimes....
Eisenhower had proven executive skills, organizing skills on a large organization, and had proven himself an inpirational leader.
Correct on all counts. But probably most importantly, he was a great bridge player. In bridge you have to work indirectly with a partner, against an opposing pair of players. I don't think poker would be as good a skill to have, unless you are Genghis Khan.
Quote from: aitm on December 29, 2018, 08:40:59 AM
Teddy would be fun one in this generation...
Yeah, we need the guy who said the only good Indian is a dead Indian. He'd fit right in.
Actually, now I see he said it this way: "I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are."
The phrase as I had it - "The only good Indian is a dead Indian" - is attributed to Sheridan.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
He'd fit right in.
Actually, now I see he said it this way: "I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are."
Society correctness aside, the Indians were not all great and noble creatures. They killed each other with the same eagerness as the Catlics and Protestants did. The bigger difference is the Indians never developed anything other than their particular kind of soap and perhaps a shitty ass version of corn. American Indians like their Australian counterparts, the Inuit, and several African tribes would never get beyond the simple basics of living. While that makes for pretty beads, blankets and "dream catchers" they added nothing to civilization. Now we can argue whether that was good or bad as a different story, but for the most part, many cultures added nothing to the "advancement" of civility. Roosevelt wasn't all that wrong...but in todays world he would have never said "that".
As I look around, "civilization" isn't all that "civilized."
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 03:14:03 PM
As I look around, "civilization" isn't all that "civilized."
I would far prefer today than yesterday.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 03:14:03 PM
As I look around, "civilization" isn't all that "civilized."
Humans have yet to be fully domesticated.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
Yeah, we need the guy who said the only good Indian is a dead Indian. He'd fit right in.
Actually, now I see he said it this way: "I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are."
The phrase as I had it - "The only good Indian is a dead Indian" - is attributed to Sheridan.
Misquoted. His side of the Roosevelts hated the side that produced FDR. The only good Democrat is ...
Quote from: aitm on December 29, 2018, 03:18:30 PM
I would far prefer today than yesterday.
Yesterday you were younger. Duh!
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 03:19:43 PM
Humans have yet to be fully domesticated.
I have a spare cat box and used sand, you can borrow ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
Yeah, we need the guy who said the only good Indian is a dead Indian. He'd fit right in.
Actually, now I see he said it this way: "I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are."
The phrase as I had it - "The only good Indian is a dead Indian" - is attributed to Sheridan.
Quotes are never quite what you think they are. As Yogi Berra is said to have said, "I never said half those things I said.
But 90% seems pretty sick.
Yeah, Yogi Berra was one of the most quotable people ever! LOL