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Title: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: pr126 on December 22, 2018, 11:35:39 AM
 WotW looks at African colonialism past, present and future and considers explanatory factors.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edbV1Fcoacc
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on December 22, 2018, 12:37:50 PM
Didn't watch the video, but based on the thumbnail it looks like this is just your usual anti-communist paranoia.

(https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc5MDg1ODk1MTk4MDI1/redscare.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 22, 2018, 12:49:28 PM
China is all over Africa, as they were during the Cold War, only more so.  And all over Latin America (Venezuela), and all over Europe (see Chinese colony in N Italy).  Now I am not anti-Chinese, but I don't think Emperor Xi is doing anything for my good, but for his good.  Similarly I am not anti-Russian.  Just anti-D and anti-R in the US.

Yes, the endless war of the autistic male against the rest of society continues.  Every once in awhile they get the upper hand (see Chavez/Maduro in Venezuela, Mugabe in Zimbabwe) and they mostly destroy their own societies.  Agent provocateurs (GB, US, Russia, China) exploit this chaos for their own ends.

Africa has been colonized since the Carthaginians, Greeks, Romans, Vandals, Arabs ... about 3000 years now (aside from Egypt/Ethiopia).  Until the last natural and human resource is drained from it, the people all around, like a mother wasp, plant their pupa in the African host, to feed on it.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Draconic Aiur on December 22, 2018, 08:07:49 PM
Africa is fucked. Alsp You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login : we made this thread already.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Minimalist on December 22, 2018, 08:40:47 PM
The problem is greedy rich fucks.  Doesn't matter what color their flag happens to be.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 23, 2018, 12:31:35 AM
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The problem is greedy rich fucks.  Doesn't matter what color their flag happens to be.

Not just greedy, not just rich ... but with guns.  Lots of guns.  So what are you going to do about it, ask the Chinese nicely to desist?
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Minimalist on December 23, 2018, 11:13:34 AM
Desist from what?  From doing what every other rising nation has done throughout history?  That is illogical my friend.  We have bankrupted ourselves doing what the Chinese intend to do or try to do. 
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 23, 2018, 12:40:56 PM
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Desist from what?  From doing what every other rising nation has done throughout history?  That is illogical my friend.  We have bankrupted ourselves doing what the Chinese intend to do or try to do.

Correct.  But China didn't finance our rise to power, Britain did (lots of investments in the 19th century)  The US financed the rise of China.  The US saved Britain twice.  Do you think China will bother to come save us, if we are in trouble?

I happen to agree that aggression is natural, and that pacifism isn't.  There are many ways to be aggressive.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Minimalist on December 23, 2018, 01:45:00 PM
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Do you think China will bother to come save us, if we are in trouble?


Depends on how useful they think we can be to them.   The Romans made peace with the Parthians on occasion when it suited their interest and when Germany became a major power on the continent the British forgot 5 centuries of hostilities with France and allied themselves with them.  Geopolitics is about as pragmatic an outlook as you can get.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 23, 2018, 02:20:56 PM
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Depends on how useful they think we can be to them.   The Romans made peace with the Parthians on occasion when it suited their interest and when Germany became a major power on the continent the British forgot 5 centuries of hostilities with France and allied themselves with them.  Geopolitics is about as pragmatic an outlook as you can get.

Today's opponents are tomorrow's allies.  Opponents are inevitable, but don't make enemies.  That is unforgivable.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Minimalist on December 23, 2018, 06:22:02 PM
To quote the Duke of Wellington:  We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France.

Didn't quite work out that way.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2018, 01:41:44 AM
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To quote the Duke of Wellington:  We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France.

Didn't quite work out that way.

I don't know about that.  President Teddy Roosevelt arranged the rapprochement between GB and France before 1914 (after centuries of rivalry).  But the feeling of being allies was very temporary.  I don't think the French considered the British to be allies in 1940 (projecting on their part).  They hated the British still, even then.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Minimalist on December 24, 2018, 01:57:29 AM
The French and British were allies in Crimea in 1854.  Of course, Wellington was dead by then but he could have rolled over in his grave, I guess.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2018, 02:42:29 AM
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The French and British were allies in Crimea in 1854.  Of course, Wellington was dead by then but he could have rolled over in his grave, I guess.

All part of an early effort to defeat superman Putin ;-)
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 12:27:23 AM
Any culture or group of cultures that fall behind others will be preyed upon.  Africa is subject to periodic  climactic problems that prevent them from organizing lasting nations.  While these conditions were beneficial to challenging early hominids to evolve and succeed (and leave), they are very hard in the long-term. 

One challenge (among many) for the developed world is to find ways to make Africa as a whole into a place for humans to grow and thrive.  We owe that to the place we came from, and we owe it to the people who live there. 
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 26, 2018, 02:44:40 AM
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Any culture or group of cultures that fall behind others will be preyed upon.  Africa is subject to periodic  climactic problems that prevent them from organizing lasting nations.  While these conditions were beneficial to challenging early hominids to evolve and succeed (and leave), they are very hard in the long-term. 

One challenge (among many) for the developed world is to find ways to make Africa as a whole into a place for humans to grow and thrive.  We owe that to the place we came from, and we owe it to the people who live there.

Why should I spend $1 trillion of my taxes to support anyone?  Including Israel?  Or you can just go visit Little Sambo and show him how to rub two sticks together to make a fire.  You are so ... White privs.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Cavebear on December 29, 2018, 10:09:17 AM
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Why should I spend $1 trillion of my taxes to support anyone?  Including Israel?  Or you can just go visit Little Sambo and show him how to rub two sticks together to make a fire.  You are so ... White privs.

You pay a trillion dollars in taxes?  I'm VERY impressed!

For the rest of it, you might want to study how international connections between and among nations work.

And I could do without your constant cheap racist jokes like about "Sambo".
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 10:27:52 AM
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You pay a trillion dollars in taxes?  I'm VERY impressed!

For the rest of it, you might want to study how international connections between and among nations work.

And I could do without your constant cheap racist jokes like about "Sambo".

You are so pure, your Gandhi clothes never get dirty or sweaty, even after walking 200 miles to get salt.

The American people pay more than a trillion dollars in taxes.  To bad it is mostly wasted, because people are completely incompetent.

International connections ... hmmm ... China says to Vietnam, do what we say or we invade you!  Otherwise it is just transactions between branches of the Rothschild banking system (move on, nothing to see here).
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Cavebear on December 29, 2018, 12:04:37 PM
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You are so pure, your Gandhi clothes never get dirty or sweaty, even after walking 200 miles to get salt.

The American people pay more than a trillion dollars in taxes.  To bad it is mostly wasted, because people are completely incompetent.

International connections ... hmmm ... China says to Vietnam, do what we say or we invade you!  Otherwise it is just transactions between branches of the Rothschild banking system (move on, nothing to see here).

I note you left my quote out, LOL!  Can't stand the heat, huh?
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 12:46:43 PM
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I note you left my quote out, LOL!  Can't stand the heat, huh?

I am inconsistent, part of my strategy.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Cavebear on December 29, 2018, 01:18:53 PM
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I am inconsistent, part of my strategy.

You and Trump both.  That's a defense?
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 05:05:46 PM
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You and Trump both.  That's a defense?

Chaos isn't the same as inconsistent.  If one is deliberate, then it isn't chaos ;-)  It remains to be seen if President Trump does anything deliberate, or is it just random neurons firing.
Title: Re: Why Africa's Future Is Colonial
Post by: Cavebear on December 29, 2018, 05:52:45 PM
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Chaos isn't the same as inconsistent.  If one is deliberate, then it isn't chaos ;-)  It remains to be seen if President Trump does anything deliberate, or is it just random neurons firing.

Trump causes deliberate chaos as a strategy.