The Orange Turdfuhrer won't be happy about this.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiw1qOOkqjfAhWEJHwKHeklBL0QFjABegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftrump-mad-snl-world-laughing-him-1261825&usg=AOvVaw3dmsnUIcop3b0x3xB4RK9m
QuoteDonald Trump Awarded ‘Golden Idiot’ Prize by German TV Show as Much of the World Laughs at U.S. President
He is a reality show host. Mr Trump must be very happy. For an exhibitionist, any attention, even negative attention, is a positive.
PS - Mike Pence is the real President, same as Joe Biden was before him and Dick Cheney was before him and Al Gore was before him.
Pence doesn't dare open his mouth without permission.
You need to work on your delusions. You know what John Nance Garner said about the Vice-Presidency?
Quote“The vice-presidency isnt worth a bucket of warm piss,â€
-- John Nance Garner
Quote from: Minimalist on December 18, 2018, 12:47:16 AM
Pence doesn't dare open his mouth without permission.
You need to work on your delusions. You know what John Nance Garner said about the Vice-Presidency?
You are ... mistaken. I can see why you didn't post much for a long time. So what got a bee in your bonnet?
My old boss, over 40 years ago said, if we ever let Germany re-unify, then WW III was on. He may be proven right ;-(
I have to admit that "The Golden Idiot" is a pretty good term for the Trumpster.
But I am mostly looking forward to January, when the Democrats control the House of Representatives. There are some legitimate issues to be investigated. Nearly everything with Trump's name on it is, and I don't mean for political payback or cheap shots like Ben Gazi or Clinton emails.
I mean tax evasion, campaign fraud, foreign conspiracy, money-laundering, as far as basic crimes go. And incompetence, nepotism, lying to Congress, and treason as far as impeachment concerns go.
And I'm looking at this through the eyes of US history. Impeachment is a bad way to manage a government, but Trump deserves it for than any previous President. And yes, I was an adult when Nixon deserved impeachment.
But Nixon didn't cooperate with a foreign enemy to fudge the election, he didn't try to earn money just by being President, he didn't take deliberate action to destroy our alliances with other nations, he didn't try to manage the Presidency as a profit center, and he didn't work daily in the media to diminish the Executive Agencies.
Trump does...
Quote from: Minimalist on December 17, 2018, 09:14:05 PM
The Orange Turdfuhrer won't be happy about this.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiw1qOOkqjfAhWEJHwKHeklBL0QFjABegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftrump-mad-snl-world-laughing-him-1261825&usg=AOvVaw3dmsnUIcop3b0x3xB4RK9m
QuoteShould be tested in courts, can’t be legal? Only defame & belittle! Collusion?" the real Trump tweeted on Sunday.
So, now he thinks collusion
is a crime?
Pence is a religitard putz.... and Garner was right.
Of course, he was hardly the first.
John Adams was the first!
Quote"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."
I can predict that President Pence will openly execute gays and atheists. And Democrats won't get the irony.
So what does Cavebear have to do with Germany? A bear is the modern coat of arms of the city of Berlin.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
So, now he thinks collusion is a crime?
Did anybody else catch that line in "Rampage"?
Spooky OGA man: "Since when is collusion a crime?"
Blatantly criminal dude: "Yeah, right!
Quote from: Minimalist on December 18, 2018, 02:21:06 PM
Pence is a religitard putz.... and Garner was right.
Of course, he was hardly the first.
John Adams was the first!
The Founders had a great idea. The 2nd best choice for President ought to be the one to assist, learn, and replace the President if something went wrong. Parties changed all of that. I'll just assume you know about how that happened and the sad consequences...
Maybe a new idea would be for the Vice-President to be separately elected, have actual important duties, and be one of the President's Cabinet positions.
Suppose, for arguement's sake, that the Vice President was always some position of influence. Secretary Of State or Defense maybe. That would change the dynamics.
Just saying we might want to consider a few changes to the current situation...
The idea was absurd. "I lost to you but now I'm going to be behind you all the way. Unless, of course, you have an accident or something. Just sayin'."
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 21, 2018, 05:30:28 AM
The idea was absurd. "I lost to you but now I'm going to be behind you all the way. Unless, of course, you have an accident or something. Just sayin'."
You missed the point. The original intent was for several good candidates for President to seek the office, one would get the most votes, and the next would be the best choice if something bad happened (like died). And, of course, 2 talented people would be able to work together, either able to lead the nation.
Yeah, I know, Jefferson vs Adams, Hatfields and McCoys, Hamilton vs Burr, etc. But given that the VP is usually some local pol idiot, wouldn't it be better for the top 2 to be available instead of the top one and his local croney?
Look at today. If Trump was to "very unfortunately" die in office of flu, would the nation be better off with Pence or Clinton? Actually, I might not want your answer to that, but the long-term effect might be that all parties might want more centrist choices from the other side and work to get more "balanced" people than we get today.
I didn't miss the point, I disregarded it, with reason. You presume people are going to be cooperative without showing why that would happen with certainty.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 21, 2018, 07:21:03 AM
I didn't miss the point, I disregarded it, with reason. You presume people are going to be cooperative without showing why that would happen with certainty.
OK, I accept your statement. If you say you didn't miss my point, then you didn't. You are intelligent. Which means I wasn't convincing enough.
Suppose we said that political parties wouldn't have arisen in the US because there had been some part of the Constitution that discouraged them. A ban on the Presidential candidates cooperating, for example. Or allowing parties, a ban on both offices held by one party. It could have been arranged that way.
So instead of Jefferson and Burr, you had Jefferson and Adams. What would have been the harm there? They actually became friends later. And as I said previously, that the VP had some serious duties.
Imagine that Obama was President and Hillary Clinton had been VP and Secy Of State.
Oh wait, that happened. Biden was just the odd man out.
But mainly, the Pres and VP would have had a better balance in their politics. I'm just thinking it might have led to better Government...
Debating on what might have happened is tail-chasing. I simple bet that human nature will cause people to act in their own interest rather than for the greater good.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 21, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
Debating on what might have happened is tail-chasing. I simple bet that human nature will cause people to act in their own interest rather than for the greater good.
Debating on what might have happened is tail-chasing. But I am proposing a new way of choosing leaders. Granted it IS based on what might have been in the Constitution had the Founders guessed what happened just a decade later.
There is a very fine line between "what if" and "alternate history".
Quote from: Cavebear on December 21, 2018, 02:35:24 AM
Just saying we might want to consider a few changes to the current situation...
Considering changes is all well and good, but it's a far cry from implementing changes. That won't happen, I think.
But that may just be my pessimism speaking.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 21, 2018, 02:39:04 PM
Considering changes is all well and good, but it's a far cry from implementing changes. That won't happen, I think.
But that may just be my pessimism speaking.
Oh of course it can't be changed. Political Parties are embedded in law and culture. But that time machine, now...
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 21, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
Debating on what might have happened is tail-chasing. I simple bet that human nature will cause people to act in their own interest rather than for the greater good.
Correct. What-if-ing is god like.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 21, 2018, 07:21:03 AM
I didn't miss the point, I disregarded it, with reason. You presume people are going to be cooperative without showing why that would happen with certainty.
Opposing consuls happened in the Roman Republic. Disastrous. The Founding Fathers realized they hadn't read their Roman history close enough.
QuoteThe original intent was for several good candidates for President to seek the office,
Yes. In many ways the Founding Fathers were fucking morons.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 22, 2018, 12:47:24 AM
Yes. In many ways the Founding Fathers were fucking morons.
Geniuses ... only compared to illiterates. The Elites always think they are legendary.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 22, 2018, 12:47:24 AM
Yes. In many ways the Founding Fathers were fucking morons.
Yeah, all that stupid stuff about silly dreams about justice and citizen rights and organized-but-separate power in govt. Can't have THAT!
Quote from: Cavebear on December 25, 2018, 10:49:02 PM
Yeah, all that stupid stuff about silly dreams about justice and citizen rights and organized-but-separate power in govt. Can't have THAT!
Political ideology .. BS all the way down the toilet.
Quote from: Baruch on December 25, 2018, 11:50:13 PM
Political ideology .. BS all the way down the toilet.
Do you prefer a medieval monarch-based despotism over a court-system based on laws we all decide upon? If so, I'm your guy! I would be the best most justice-oriented despot ever. And not even any heirs to complicate things when I died.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 02:14:21 AM
Do you prefer a medieval monarch-based despotism over a court-system based on laws we all decide upon? If so, I'm your guy! I would be the best most justice-oriented despot ever. And not even any heirs to complicate things when I died.
I hate them all, all social systems, all political systems (including anarchism). All the -isms are pernicious monkey crap.
No, I don't like justice or injustice, I just like extinction of all parties. (sarc).
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2018, 02:32:50 AM
I hate them all, all social systems, all political systems (including anarchism). All the -isms are pernicious monkey crap.
No, I don't like justice or injustice, I just like extinction of all parties. (sarc).
Hmm an anarchist's anarchist you are. What does that leave you but mob voting? And we all know what you think about THAT!
Better find SOME hat to wear... You don't seem to be allowing yourself many choices.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 02:59:12 AM
Hmm an anarchist's anarchist you are. What does that leave you but mob voting? And we all know what you think about THAT!
Better find SOME hat to wear... You don't seem to be allowing yourself many choices.
Shaving one's head and just meditating ... aka the no-hat solution. But that seems wrong too. So yes, I am a contrarian, on all levels, because people are completely crazy.
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2018, 03:01:39 AM
Shaving one's head and just meditating ... aka the no-hat solution. But that seems wrong too. So yes, I am a contrarian, on all levels, because people are completely crazy.
I shaved my head last February and last July (really). It didn't seem to change things.
But you aren't actually a contrarian. You are a nihilist.
And people aren't all completely crazy. Just most of them. Bang your head against a wall all you want, but eventually, the only productive thing to do is join the ones who are actually trying to get something done.
You ever watch Futurama?
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 03:09:04 AM
I shaved my head last February and last July (really). It didn't seem to change things.
But you aren't actually a contrarian. You are a nihilist.
And people aren't all completely crazy. Just most of them. Bang your head against a wall all you want, but eventually, the only productive thing to do is join the ones who are actually trying to get something done.
You ever watch Futurama?
Futurama? Sure ... a good joke on all the sci-fi BS, though Rick & Morty is more woke to the scientism scam.
I do find meaning, and on a large scale, not just the personal scale like MikeCL. I simply don't like what I find.
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2018, 03:15:19 AM
Futurama? Sure ... a good joke on all the sci-fi BS, though Rick & Morty is more woke to the scientism scam.
I do find meaning, and on a large scale, not just the personal scale like MikeCL. I simply don't like what I find.
Well, in the episode where Fry got stung by the space bee, Leela thought she was dreaming when Fry talked to her.
Wake up, Baruch, please...
And with that, I quit for the night.
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2018, 07:46:37 PM
I can predict that President Pence will openly execute gays and atheists. And Democrats won't get the irony.
So what does Cavebear have to do with Germany? A bear is the modern coat of arms of the city of Berlin.
And Bern, Switzerland.
Quote from: pr126 on December 26, 2018, 03:53:07 AM
And Bern, Switzerland.
I am pretty sure Pence wouldn't try to kill gays and atheists. There are too many of both. Bush Sr, though, did say once that he didn't consider atheists "citizens", that's bad enough.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 29, 2018, 08:56:26 AM
I am pretty sure Pence wouldn't try to kill gays and atheists. There are too many of both. Bush Sr, though, did say once that he didn't consider atheists "citizens", that's bad enough.
I think you underestimate Dominionists. Also once the Right is triggered, Kent State is the template.
Quote from: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 10:16:56 AM
I think you underestimate Dominionists. Also once the Right is triggered, Kent State is the template.
You're right, Baruch, they should not be underestimated. They may be the most dangerous influence in America, especially if they can get even more political power.
QuoteDominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation governed by Christians based on their personal understandings of biblical law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
You're right, Baruch, they should not be underestimated. They may be the most dangerous influence in America, especially if they can get even more political power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology
Any American, who isn't a fire breathing Menshevik ... is a Dominionist ;-)
Again, I think you're just trying to push our buttons - either that or you're just plain full of shit.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
Again, I think you're just trying to push our buttons - either that or you're just plain full of shit.
Button well pushed, LOL! And yes the fewmets...
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
Again, I think you're just trying to push our buttons - either that or you're just plain full of shit.
As long as I eat, I fill up with shit every day. Same as the rest of you.
Less hyperbolic ... are you a paranoid conspiracy theorist (like Alex Jones only different) who thinks that the Rushdoony clan is manipulating the entire US (both parties) from the shadows?
Cavebear ... you are less ... apparently paranoid that Mr Unbeliever here. His personal situation might be a lot less stable than your "cat bird seat". On the there hand, if you are paranoid in spite of that, then ...
Quote from: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 05:00:12 PM
As long as I eat, I fill up with shit every day. Same as the rest of you.
Less hyperbolic ... are you a paranoid conspiracy theorist (like Alex Jones only different) who thinks that the Rushdoony clan is manipulating the entire US (both parties) from the shadows?
Cavebear ... you are less ... apparently paranoid that Mr Unbeliever here. His personal situation might be a lot less stable than your "cat bird seat". On the there hand, if you are paranoid in spite of that, then ...
Well, MY food doesn't start that way at least. I like my stuff a bit "unprocessed" at the start. And then stir-fried...
But thank you...
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Quote from: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 05:00:12 PM
As long as I eat, I fill up with shit every day. Same as the rest of you.
Less hyperbolic ... are you a paranoid conspiracy theorist (like Alex Jones only different) who thinks that the Rushdoony clan is manipulating the entire US (both parties) from the shadows?
Yeah, Rushdoony, the guy who said "To control the future requires the control of education and of the child."
I don't know how much influence he or his "clan" still has, but others do have major influence on politicians and will take over completely if they're allowed to do so.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 06:21:12 PM
Yeah, Rushdoony, the guy who said "To control the future requires the control of education and of the child."
I don't know how much influence he or his "clan" still has, but others do have major influence on politicians and will take over completely if they're allowed to do so.
I agree. When I first heard about that particular insanity, it seemed very scary indeed (given that the political system tends toward extremes).