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Title: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 06:07:19 PM
Not only are the rats abandoning the sinking ship now they are refusing to get on board at all!

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/mike-pences-chief-staff-nick-ayers-refused-take-kellys-place-wouldnt-commit-2-years/

QuoteMike Pence’s chief of staff Nick Ayers refused to take Kelly’s place because he wouldn’t commit to 2 years

QuoteMeanwhile, the White House doesn’t have a contingency plan for Ayers not accepting the job.

They all know that Mueller has him by the balls.

Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 09, 2018, 06:09:52 PM
If Trump doesn't end his days dying in prison then there is no justice.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 06:57:06 PM
This is America.  There is no justice to be had.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 09, 2018, 07:39:10 PM
Well, Stormy already told us that Trump is short-staffed, so maybe that's how his White House will become.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 09, 2018, 07:52:31 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 06:57:06 PM
This is America.  There is no justice to be had.

Correct, King George III should have hung them all.  Too bad the Freemasonic conspiracy intervened.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 09, 2018, 08:00:59 PM
If they hadn't all hung together, they'd've all hung separately.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 09, 2018, 07:52:31 PM
Correct, King George III should have hung them all. 

The fucker tried.  You have to win the war first.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 09, 2018, 08:49:56 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 09, 2018, 08:00:59 PM
If the hadn't all hung together, they'd've all hung separately.

Or bled separately.  Forensic study shows that Washington died from overly enthusiastic leach-ing.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 09:30:11 PM
The quip about doctors burying their mistakes was really true back then.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 09, 2018, 11:42:45 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 09:30:11 PM
The quip about doctors burying their mistakes was really true back then.

Yes, that is actually an ancient Roman comic quip.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 10, 2018, 12:16:36 AM
We've come so far.  Now they have lawyers to do it for them!
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 10, 2018, 12:52:00 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
The fucker tried.  You have to win the war first.

King George III was sick from porphyria.  Ever see "The Madness Of King George"?
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 12:03:58 AM
I have.   Great flick.  But everyone had something back then.  That's why life expectancy was about 35.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 11, 2018, 05:51:45 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 12:03:58 AM
I have.   Great flick.  But everyone had something back then.  That's why life expectancy was about 35.

Elizabeth Bathory of Transylvania had her beauty regimen ... she bathed in the blood of her maids.  Girls just can't get too much iron.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 10:58:52 AM
"It's good to be the king."
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 11, 2018, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 10:58:52 AM
"It's good to be the king."

Only if you are one.  The stinking peasants ... do stink.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 13, 2018, 12:12:30 PM
The walls are closing in.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-confides-friends-he-s-concerned-about-impeachment-n947296

QuoteThe president has been on a days-long tirade, sources tell NBC News, lashing out at his own staff and lawmakers on Capitol Hill, frustrated by the threat of a Democratic House with subpoena power, an array of looming congressional investigations, multiple intensifying federal probes, a botched effort to find a new chief of staff and a potential partial government shutdown over a lack of funding for his top campaign promise â€" a border wall.

Yeah...you in real school now!

He'll end up going from Individual #1 to Prisoner #1.

Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
And Bill Clinton is G-d ;-)
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Mike Cl on December 13, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
And Bill Clinton is G-d ;-)
Compared to Trump, he is.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Hydra009 on December 13, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 13, 2018, 12:12:30 PM
The walls are closing in.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-confides-friends-he-s-concerned-about-impeachment-n947296
"There's no smocking gun that I did it!" - guy who obviously didn't do it
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
The more desperate he becomes the more dangerous he'll be. Will he start a war to distract from his troubles? Will he declare martial law? Just what will he do?
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 13, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Compared to Trump, he is.

Please turn in your atheist-card.  Pick up fraud-card at checkout please.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 01:15:03 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
The more desperate he becomes the more dangerous he'll be. Will he start a was to distract from his troubles? Will he declare martial law? Just what will he do?

We can hope he will order the IRS audit of every Democrat ;-(  Obama's admin never did anything similar, using an executive branch department for purely partisan reasons.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Mike Cl on December 13, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 01:13:50 PM
Please turn in your atheist-card.  Pick up fraud-card at checkout please.
'checkout'--is that where you got yours??  It is mandatory that all theists have at least one such card since they all (as you do, too) in a fiction and tell us they believe it to be real.  Yes, I am positive you are an expert at fraud cards!
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 03:21:14 PM
I want to become a card-carrying anti-Trumper, but I don't know where to get a card.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Hydra009 on December 13, 2018, 03:23:39 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 03:21:14 PM
I want to become a card-carrying anti-Trumper, but I don't know where to get a card.
If you have a library card, you're already there.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 03:28:30 PM
Oh, goody!
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Mike Cl on December 13, 2018, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 03:21:14 PM
I want to become a card-carrying anti-Trumper, but I don't know where to get a card.
Ah!  There is your opening!  Create the business--I'll buy one!!
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 05:28:53 PM
I can't do that Mike - I hate money too much. It would ruin my self-image.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 13, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
'checkout'--is that where you got yours??  It is mandatory that all theists have at least one such card since they all (as you do, too) in a fiction and tell us they believe it to be real.  Yes, I am positive you are an expert at fraud cards!

All words are fraud ... in that they come from an inauthentic wasted life.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 07:25:11 PM
Damn Baruch, I thank the non-existent God that I'm not you, you seem to be having a really miserable life.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 07:26:02 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 03:21:14 PM
I want to become a card-carrying anti-Trumper, but I don't know where to get a card.

See, a simple task, and you can't get it done, this is why you are unproductive ... I hope you can at least find a public restroom and maintain at least a minimum of personal dignity.  Not anti-street-people, but most of them suffer from mental illness.

Yes, i am miserable.  And don't wish that on anyone.  If you are still breathing, then misery is the only honest assessment.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
I'm loving life. I wish everyone could be as content as I am.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 07:27:23 PM
I'm loving life. I wish everyone could be as content as I am.

Your endorphins runneth over.  See, that is the ultimate development of hedonism.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 07:52:55 PM
I gave up trying to be happy, now I'm content with mere contentment.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 02:26:23 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 07:52:55 PM
I gave up trying to be happy, now I'm content with mere contentment.

So you just ate your prior position?  I agree with this sentiment, but that isn't what you just claimed before.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Mike Cl on December 14, 2018, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 07:23:40 PM
All words are fraud ... in that they come from an inauthentic wasted life.
I really am sorry you feel that way about yourself.  No wonder you are so bitter all the time.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 14, 2018, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 01:15:03 PM
We can hope he will order the IRS audit of every Democrat ;-(  Obama's admin never did anything similar, using an executive branch department for purely partisan reasons.


Let me tell you something.  I spent 33 years with the IRS and with what the Orange Turdfuhrer has done to that agency they can't audit much of anything any more.  The rich fucks love it, of course, they can get away with murder.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 14, 2018, 09:21:39 AM
I really am sorry you feel that way about yourself.  No wonder you are so bitter all the time.

I take what responsibility I should, but the bulk of this mess is on G-d's hands.  Don't expect too much from stupid monkeys.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 14, 2018, 10:59:56 AM

Let me tell you something.  I spent 33 years with the IRS and with what the Orange Turdfuhrer has done to that agency they can't audit much of anything any more.  The rich fucks love it, of course, they can get away with murder.

There is a reason why the tax code is complicated.  I don't blame the IRS ... like the Waffen SS ... they were only following orders.

Congress is responsible.  No lobbyist or campaign contributor should be blamed either ... their hearts are corrupt to begin with.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 14, 2018, 01:32:26 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 02:26:23 AM
So you just ate your prior position?  I agree with this sentiment, but that isn't what you just claimed before.
Oh? How so? What did I post that was different?
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Mike Cl on December 14, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
I take what responsibility I should, but the bulk of this mess is on G-d's hands.  Don't expect too much from stupid monkeys.
Especially those who believe in G-d or other fictions.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 14, 2018, 01:32:26 PM
Oh? How so? What did I post that was different?

Synonyms matter.  Meanwhile .. not only am I not happy, but I will never rest content.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 14, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
Especially those who believe in G-d or other fictions.

That includes free lunch political ideologies.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 02:27:14 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
The fucker tried.  You have to win the war first.

I like that.  So a quick note from history.  The Nazis at Tobruk in WWII demanded the British forces surrender.  So the Aussies raised a white flag.  And then said "Come and get it"!

LOL! 
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2018, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 02:27:14 AM
I like that.  So a quick note from history.  The Nazis at Tobruk in WWII demanded the British forces surrender.  So the Aussies raised a white flag.  And then said "Come and get it"!

LOL!

Cavebear's code name is "Deep Post".  Picking up on something from a week ago ... totally losing context.

History note ... the British at Tobruk did eventually surrender, in spite of the British having Ultra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobruk

The initial siege failed, but the Germans came back a second time and won.  And the British suffered their third greatest defeat of WW II, losing 80,000 men captured.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Minimalist on December 18, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 14, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
I take what responsibility I should, but the bulk of this mess is on G-d's hands.  Don't expect too much from stupid monkeys.


There's no god.  WE fucked this up all by ourselves.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2018, 07:36:27 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 18, 2018, 07:33:09 PM

There's no god.  WE fucked this up all by ourselves.

Because of our infinite monkey powers?  Maybe you did it all by yourself, thru the power of solipsism?  I didn't create the laws/forces of nature.  I didn't create human nature.  Those two just about sink us as a species.  I don't take responsibility for those.  You can ascribe those to random events if you wish.  In which case you should hate statistics with a passion.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Cavebear on December 21, 2018, 03:09:20 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 18, 2018, 07:33:09 PM

There's no god.  WE fucked this up all by ourselves.

Well put.  We got ourselves (and most of the rest of the world of flora and fauna) and we had better get ourselves out of it. 

It isn't going to be easy.  We are basically up to our asses in quicksand and squirming around to make it worse.  The only way out might be to grab a very thorny branch and that is going to hurt. 

My understanding of the difficulty of solving climate change is that the majority of humans seem to assume that we humans "can't" really alter the climate on our own because only a God has that power.  Yeah right.

The FACTS of the situation say that we're digging a hole and won't stop.  And did I mention that WE are digging the hole?  We better stop.  We better get out of the hole.  We better start filling it in behind us.  We better stop living on the future as if the future has endless supplies.

We BETTER start living on renewable resources, and we better get better at developing them quickly.  Because time is running out.

At some times, I have joked that "The intelligence of the planet is finite and the population is growing".  I first thought that in my 20s when the population was half what it is today.  Now, I worry that it might not be so much of a joke. 

As more people fall into poverty and illness and malnutrition as the population increases, it seems less of a joke...
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2018, 08:41:01 PM
Kill all the car drivers now!  Or I will have to find a safe place to cry!!
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Unbeliever on December 22, 2018, 02:08:29 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 21, 2018, 03:09:20 AM
My understanding of the difficulty of solving climate change is that the majority of humans seem to assume that we humans "can't" really alter the climate on our own because only a God has that power.  Yeah right.

I've heard it said that God is in charge, and he wouldn't let the planet get too bad for humans to live on.

Then there are those who believe Jesus is coming soon (to a theater near you?) and so we needn't worry about he planet, since it's only temporary anyway. And it's not just Christians who are expecting the end of the world any day now, the Muslims also have a messiah figure who is supposed to show up real soon. I think he's called the 12th Imam. So they believe it's a waste of time and effort to try to mitigate the decline of the natural world because it won't be around long whatever we do.



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https://www.al-islam.org/articles/signs-reappearance-twelfth-imam-ajtf
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Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 22, 2018, 03:47:55 PM
True.  I wouldn't lift a finger to help Democrats or Republicans, if they were dying at my door?  Why should I help enemies?  Oh, that is a Christian virtue, not a Jewish one.  Atheists of course take care of everyone (that they don't kill in the gulag), in order to recruit for their political ideology (of whatever flavor).
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Cavebear on December 25, 2018, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 22, 2018, 02:08:29 PM
I've heard it said that God is in charge, and he wouldn't let the planet get too bad for humans to live on.

Then there are those who believe Jesus is coming soon (to a theater near you?) and so we needn't worry about he planet, since it's only temporary anyway. And it's not just Christians who are expecting the end of the world any day now, the Muslims also have a messiah figure who is supposed to show up real soon. I think he's called the 12th Imam. So they believe it's a waste of time and effort to try to mitigate the decline of the natural world because it won't be around long whatever we do.

Yeah, we humans CAN'T change the world, or if we can, it doesn't matter since the end of days are coming, the theists say.

So what happens the day after, when we are still here when we gasp for breath and no revelation comes?  They don't answer that.

As I am responsible for not letting my house collapse around me due to non-maintenance, so are we all responsible for not letting the planet die from our mis-management.  We created the conditions effecting it today; we better stop messing it up.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 25, 2018, 11:52:41 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 25, 2018, 09:07:49 PM


Please re-edit ;-)  I do the same thing sometimes.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 02:07:15 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 25, 2018, 11:52:41 PM
Please re-edit ;-)  I do the same thing sometimes.

Thanks, I accidentally inserted my reply inside the original quotes.  Oopsie...  I hope it is corrected now.
Title: Re: Interesting Development
Post by: Baruch on December 26, 2018, 02:30:19 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 02:07:15 AM
Thanks, I accidentally inserted my reply inside the original quotes.  Oopsie...  I hope it is corrected now.

So how are you, with your spandex super-suit going to prevent negligent homicide of this planet?  Or do you just feel guilty for all the consumption, trash, offal, carbon-dioxide you are guilty of?