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Title: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: pr126 on November 29, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
The Architects of Western Decline A Critical Study of the Frankfurt School

The long march through the institution is complete.
The result is Antifa, BLM, feminism, transgenderism, gender pronouns, victimology, political correctness.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkRhVZ-JzK0
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on November 29, 2018, 06:59:50 PM
Started in the disillusionment of WW I ... and with the rise of labor unions before that.  In Europe (and in the US before the suppression of the "wobblies") ... anarcho-syndicalism or commune-syndicalism dominates labor unions.  In the US, after the 1920s, the anarchists and socialists were purged from the labor unions by organized crime.  And the government cut deals with those criminals, because it suppressed the activity of labor unions in radical politics.  By the 1960s, the trade unions were middle class.

So in Europe ... your whole labor class was dedicated to fabian (gradual) or radical (quick) social change ... using the Girondists or the Jacobins (respectively) as the prototypes.  Given that, philosophical socialism survived the Third Reich and Stalin, to be alive and well from 1946 in W Europe.  In the event of a Warsaw Pact/Nato war ... the US was most worried about being shot in the back, and not just by the French.  So on it goes, the anarchist/socialist crap continues to develop, but without the brutality of Hitler or Stalin.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2018, 01:51:33 PM
EUSR (EU) proposes making it a criminal offense to even criticize their migration/refugee policy.  Achtung!  Papers please!!
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Shiranu on December 02, 2018, 12:42:11 AM

Only attacking one of many scheiße zunge who has spread this stupidity, but attacks it beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3oh3dhnoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3oh3dhnoM)
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2018, 03:36:04 AM
Shiranu - Socialists don't like free speech.  In fact, they like mandated speech.  Hitler or Stalin.

Now the turn of Canada to a authoritarian state is minor in this case ... so an over-reaction to an over-reaction.  Trudeau Jr is a joke.  But Jordan Peterson's fame isn't that now, you are talking about 2016.  His resistance to misandrist feminism is what has kept him going.  Misandry is just as damaging to men, as misogyny is to women.  But you seem to be a Trudeau Jr fan.  The war between men and women is real, unfortunately.

Now fellow-travelers develop.  People want to ride the coat-tails of success.  So all sorts of extremists want to ride Trudeau Jr into power.  Same with Obama, same with Trump, same with anyone famous.  Jordan Peterson became famous momentarily over a small thing.  Extremists in Canada triggered him.  Canadians need to drink more beer and sleep it off.  That is all they are good for.  But all things come and go.  Jordan Peterson, or anyone else.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 02, 2018, 04:21:03 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2018, 12:42:11 AM
Only attacking one of many scheiße zunge who has spread this stupidity, but attacks it beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3oh3dhnoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3oh3dhnoM)
Great video.

Good to see Dusty... uhhhh.... dust himself off, once in a while

*badum tiss*
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2018, 04:24:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM

Burn the universities down, then rebuild responsibly.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Shiranu on December 02, 2018, 04:28:28 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 02, 2018, 04:21:03 AM
Great video.

Good to see Dusty... uhhhh.... dust himself off, once in a while

*badum tiss*


Yeah, I just saw a video of his a week ago, and now this one. Before that... I honestly think it had been years.

I have tried to stray away from YouTube that is super critical and negative of... well, anything honestly... but I at least feel like Dusty tries to be very upfront about where he is coming from.

It's good to see him becoming relevant again. If people are going to be into those type of criticism videos, i much rather it be his than someone fear-mongering.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 02, 2018, 04:29:56 AM
Who cares about facts, though?

People that just want to perpetuate their own outlook on the world want to protect it, why would they acknowledge things that threaten that?

Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2018, 10:37:36 AM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 02, 2018, 04:29:56 AM
Who cares about facts, though?

People that just want to perpetuate their own outlook on the world want to protect it, why would they acknowledge things that threaten that?

Sure.  But do either of you address, as experts on Canadian law, what is going on?  Or as experts of American law (as it applies to colleges) what the hell is going on?  You don't address it.  Now with pr126 videos ... you may have a point.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 02, 2018, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2018, 10:37:36 AM
Sure.  But do either of you address, as experts on Canadian law, what is going on?  Or as experts of American law (as it applies to colleges) what the hell is going on?  You don't address it.  Now with pr126 videos ... you may have a point.
Many experts on Canadian law have. Many Canadians have. Many Canadian friends of mine have, as well.... addressed what is going on. Nothing is going on. It's, as the cult of dusty video said, just adding to the legality of formal documents and places of employment etc that they cannot disciminate based on race and ethnicity and now preferred gender.

It's much less evil than people like pr are claiming. In fact, it's not evil at all. There is no compelled speech in it at all. People that believe it, haven't even read the bill. The people that believe that only have heard the misrepresentation of the bill. I *was* one of those people and then I actually read it and realized I was wrong... and accepted I was wrong and moved on. Would people like pr do that? only time will tell...
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2018, 12:48:09 PM
Yes, pr126 is ... alarmist.  I am not threatened by Canadian law, not being Canadian.  Similarly vis a vis Britain nor EU.  A Brit he is, and seems to be sensitive to anything happening in political-culture, in the Five Eyes (GB, Canada, US, Australia, NZ) ... and maybe former Commonwealth as well.  And like some in Britain, is very ... opposed to Continental politics/philosophy (aka France and Germany mostly).  This is not easy for an American to understand.

But the fact remains ... the liberals, the liberals of all people ... want to criminalize everything; thought crime, emotion crime, cultural crime ... as part of their drive for totalitarian dictatorship.  A dictatorship with Internet super-powers of conformity.  And why?  For our own benefit, because the common people need to be led by a "new world order".

All humans want to be dictator, because we don't love our neighbor ... we fear them, we hate them, we exploit them, we oppress them.  Political truth lies with Hitler and Stalin, not with Washington or Lincoln.  Violent revolution is what people want ... because we are all proletariat, and all want to be part of the revolutionary cadre leading us into dystopia.

Except some of us imagine with equal delusion, that we are part of the Elite, that the only good revolutionary is a dead revolutionary.  The French monarchy, leading to the French revolution, leading to the Terror, leading to the dictatorship of Napoleon ... is a much better model for Europeans than Americans.  The EU in general, and France in particular, may reap this whirlwind.  America is different, but not better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcXNXKtu8z4

Where can you turn in GB, if all parties are socialist?

Latter day Soviet Union?  Or Fifth Columnists being led off to British internment camps?
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2018, 07:37:10 PM
The French revolution didn't happen just one time, but about every 50 years.  It is due this year.  Le Pen told Macron, he may be the first French President to fire on his own people ... in 50 years.  But DeGaulle he is not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxvMZ_KoPA
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Cavebear on December 05, 2018, 05:04:46 AM
The decline of almost every civilization has been due to population decline.

Not that I'm proposing nations succeed by having more children, but I bet there is something to the idea that successful civs end when everyone is fat and happy and don't need as many children to survive to adulthood to support the parents.  And there is a downward spiral from there. 

Empires arise from fanatical indigenous populations driven to expand and the reverse is true as well. 

I'll allow temporary trade route advantages for empires too...

;)
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 05, 2018, 07:49:27 AM
Muslims and Catholics have many children ... they are master races, people who post here, not so much.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Munch on December 05, 2018, 10:21:05 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 05, 2018, 07:49:27 AM
Muslims and Catholics have many children ... they are master races, people who post here, not so much.

Children complicate the master plan.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Cavebear on December 09, 2018, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: Munch on December 05, 2018, 10:21:05 AM
Children complicate the master plan.

There is no "Master Plan" about having children.  People have fewer when they don't need to birth a dozen children to get a few to survive to adulthood to support them in old age or for collecting village food.  They have more when things get threatening.

Just a rule from history...
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Most catholicks in the US pay no attention to the pope at all.  He's just one more pervert enabler.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 09, 2018, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 07:00:57 PM
Most catholicks in the US pay no attention to the pope at all.  He's just one more pervert enabler.

Correct.  Unfortunately.  When you have inertia as the oldest and largest bureaucracy ... you have to take centuries to change tactics.  The actual dogma demands lack of change from precedent.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 09, 2018, 08:55:11 PM
What happens when the sheep think the shepherd is full of shit?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/09/02/key-findings-about-american-catholics/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/09/02/key-findings-about-american-catholics/)

QuoteEven among those who identify as Catholic, many disagree with church teaching about what constitutes a sin in some family-related areas. Roughly half or more of U.S. Catholics say that using contraceptives, living with a romantic partner outside of marriage and remarrying after a divorce without an annulment are not sins. And about four-in-ten (39%) say homosexual behavior is not a sin.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 09, 2018, 08:59:39 PM
Most American Christians are one kind of heretic or other (except for monks and nuns who are serious).
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 10, 2018, 12:19:27 AM
Everyone has their own version of religion.

It's why I reject them all.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 10, 2018, 12:53:36 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 10, 2018, 12:19:27 AM
Everyone has their own version of religion.

It's why I reject them all.

That would be ... minimalist of you ;-)
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 10, 2018, 11:55:48 PM
Hence the name..........
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 11, 2018, 05:49:20 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 10, 2018, 11:55:48 PM
Hence the name..........

If everyone had their own version of breakfast cereal, you would refuse to eat any of them?  That a Chicom version (one breakfast cereal (rice bowl) fits all) would give you the social confidence you need to eat breakfast cereal?
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 10:55:34 AM
As a matter of fact I don't eat breakfast cereal at all!

I suppose I am an acerealist?
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 11, 2018, 09:13:31 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 10:55:34 AM
As a matter of fact I don't eat breakfast cereal at all!

I suppose I am an acerealist?

A surly a-ceralist perhaps.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 09:39:38 PM
I've been called worse!
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 11, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 09:39:38 PM
I've been called worse!

And you completely avoided the metaphor I put up by being completely literal, like some religious folks do.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 11:20:48 PM
Now THOSE are fighting words!
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 12, 2018, 03:12:15 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 11, 2018, 11:20:48 PM
Now THOSE are fighting words!

As epistemology, if you are minimalist, then you are going to be literalist.  That seems to be ... shooting oneself in the foot.  Einstein says ... keep things as simple as possible, but no simpler.  Einstein refused to use shaving cream when he shaved ... he didn't follow his own rule.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 12, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
I am a Minimalist in the sense of Thomas Thompson and Philip R. Davies.  IOW, the bible is of minimal use in determining "history."  I actually prefer to say that it is full of primitive shit but it is hard to make a user name out of that.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 12, 2018, 07:03:36 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 12, 2018, 03:17:10 PM
I am a Minimalist in the sense of Thomas Thompson and Philip R. Davies.  IOW, the bible is of minimal use in determining "history."  I actually prefer to say that it is full of primitive shit but it is hard to make a user name out of that.

Of course the Bible isn't history.  Neither is Herodotus or anything else.  All history is, is political, written by winners, who would make Machiavelli blush.  Checked your "shout outs".  Biblical scholars?  Well I agree that Jesus isn't historical.  He is a composite of several failed messiahs and wishful thinking by rather gnostic Judeo-Greeks.

The Bible is old literature.  People who would burn it (or any other book), are Nazis/Stalinists.  They need to be put into the ovens of Auschwitz ... keep the books, they at least have some value.  Yeah, lake-of-fire cometh ... and its thermonuclear fire will burn hot.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Minimalist on December 12, 2018, 08:30:50 PM
QuoteThe Bible is old literature.


I've spent too much time arguing with assholes who think it is the word of fucking god or something.

Same goes for the koran.

Just primitive bullshit.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 03:16:05 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 12, 2018, 07:03:36 PM
Of course the Bible isn't history.  Neither is Herodotus or anything else.  All history is, is political, written by winners, who would make Machiavelli blush.  Checked your "shout outs".  Biblical scholars?  Well I agree that Jesus isn't historical.  He is a composite of several failed messiahs and wishful thinking by rather gnostic Judeo-Greeks.

The Bible is old literature.  People who would burn it (or any other book), are Nazis/Stalinists.  They need to be put into the ovens of Auschwitz ... keep the books, they at least have some value.  Yeah, lake-of-fire cometh ... and its thermonuclear fire will burn hot.

Nice to see you say that part about the bible and Herodotus not being history.  But the "need to be put into the ovens of Auschwitz" part is offensive and was unnecessary.   Cruel and vicious people may need to be killed or locked away for their lifetimes, but torture is never appropriate.
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 03:17:46 AM
Quote from: Minimalist on December 12, 2018, 08:30:50 PM

I've spent too much time arguing with assholes who think it is the word of fucking god or something.

Same goes for the koran.

Just primitive bullshit.

Two thumbs up.  And a third if I had one...
Title: Re: The Architects of Western Decline
Post by: Baruch on December 18, 2018, 07:34:15 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 03:16:05 AM
Nice to see you say that part about the bible and Herodotus not being history.  But the "need to be put into the ovens of Auschwitz" part is offensive and was unnecessary.   Cruel and vicious people may need to be killed or locked away for their lifetimes, but torture is never appropriate.

I agree that torture is bad.  I am just prejudiced that way, like most people.  I support the mortality of humanity, all deserve to die, one day, if only for offending entropy.