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Title: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on November 19, 2018, 08:35:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHO0eYR1gzs&list=PL4B3351B66C8BBABF

People once had a genos-ancestry, demos-people, nomos-rule of life, pathos-passion for life, autos-self, ethos-attitude, logos-language, archos-leadership, andros-manhood, ethnos-culture, gamos-marriage, philos-brotherly love, orthos-right

All part of cosmos-order, bios-life, chronos-time, phos-light
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on November 29, 2018, 09:50:41 PM
The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history - George Orwell

Every generation, of anarchist, rebellious, criminal, autistic revolutionaries ... will try to destroy what is, in favor of what never can be (utopia).

But they are just xenos (foreign).  Barbaroi.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2018, 01:50:21 PM
I want this to be an ongoing mini-channel celebrating ancient Greek culture.  Dead White Men Arise From Hades!

The theater had a chorus.  Here is an updated version, starring young Classicists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5fA6dTnyrE&list=RDMOvVWiDsPWQ&index=23
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2018, 03:05:30 PM
Aeschylus, the Athenian ... is the primary inventor of Western theater.  He and his brother fought at Marathon, and his brother died there.  Without Aeschylus, would there be theater as we know it today?

Here are two short documentaries in Marathon, without Athenian victory, there would be no Greco-Roman civilization, to be a component of Western civilization.

The description of Herodotus, founder of Western history, himself from Helicarnassus, a town in Greek Asia (W Turkey), which had been subjugated by Persia.  His history was premiered as a public recitation, in the first Odeon or covered theater, on the side of the Acropolis.  Next to it was the open theater of Dionysus, where the first tragedies and comedies were premiered.  This first Odeon, was built of wood, taken from Persian ships destroyed in the battle of Salamis, just outside the Athenian harbor, which happened 10 years after Marathon, during the second invasion of Greece by Persia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar8nAKEyXQo

Greater detail, as a machinima, of the primary battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mijQ2CIWXOw

Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on December 07, 2018, 11:08:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcf44nVNT14

A quick summary of Greek history, with no disrespect intended to Persians nor Turks.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on December 07, 2018, 11:16:35 PM
To round things out, on the first post in this series ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKG8_dB_yAA&index=9&list=PLfRVkcCNsNL-5Bi6UmFI0bmO8C0yn2CXu
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on January 03, 2019, 05:21:22 AM
For the oldest non-European cultures ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drbs4uC2OVU
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on January 19, 2019, 01:45:27 PM
More far ancestors speak to us again ... live again (as they understood it)

Thebes ... Egyptian tied with Sumerian as the oldest written language ... originally Memphis was the first Egyptian capital

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onI1m2za00k

Babylon ... originally Agade was the first Semitic capital, later it was Babylon, and later still Nineveh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yVK0qIe1t8

Hattusas ... the oldest Indo-European written language ... Hattusas was their primary capital in central Anatolia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQAJgTPwv4M

Washukanni ... capital of the Hurrians/Mitanni ... in NW Iraq/NE Syria.  Distantly related to the Armenians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjpPuFJMlCI

Susa ... capital of the Elamites ... in SW Iran ... competitors to the Sumerians and Babylonians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHX2wkpStPs

Mykenae ... capital of the Bronze Age Greeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57Crwip9mw

Proto-Indo-European (neolithic, SW Russia) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7kxmcz971E

Hittite (etc) and Mycenean are the only Bronze Age written Indo-European languages.  Proto-Indo-European is the oldest ancestor of the language we use here ... baring loan words (some of which originate way back in Egypt or Sumer).
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: viocjit on January 22, 2019, 02:01:56 PM
Thanks Baruch for sharing these videos showing how sound these extinct languages even if it can't be 100% accurate.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on January 22, 2019, 10:18:32 PM
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Thanks Baruch for sharing these videos showing how sound these extinct languages even if it can't be 100% accurate.

I study many languages and cultures.  Presently reviewing Ancient Egyptian, to get ready for an on-line class.  Currently in an on-line class on Sumerian.  And many others in prior years.  By listening to ancient languages (or contemporary ones) you can participate, as a listener, in the lives of people long ago or far away, in a special way, even if you don't understand the words.  You are mind to mind.  Even better if you learn some of the language.

If you are interested in any particular culture or time period, I am open to friendly discussion, always.  I hope that (if you are still in France) that things are well with you.  And you aren't too offended by Anglophone franco-phobia rhetoric.  In my wanna-be list, visiting France for an extended period, is always high on the list, d'accord?
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: viocjit on January 28, 2019, 05:46:36 PM
I haven't any problem with Anglophone Franco-Phobia because I believe it's a sign of sanity to live in a society with freedom of speech.
I'm a French citizen living in France since I'm born and I haven't another citizenship and I can't renounce to it for legal reasons (You must have another citizenship to renounce French one or have a naturalisation request from another country pending).

Americans can be proud to live in a society with first amendment of their constitution.
USA is a place with higher freedom of expression of the Western world and US citizen can be proud of that.

In France you risk maximum 1 year of prison and 15 000 € of fine (Article 433-5 of code pénal or penal code in English that is our criminal code) if you insult a cop when in USA this is not a criminal matter because the first amendment of your constitution permit it.
Unhappily people can be prosecuted because they insulted a cop even if they didn't do it because of false accusation.
Corruption in police (Cover police officers who beat people , steal things during a search , make false accusation etc...) does exist but it does seem to be a minority.
This is why I avoid contact with police force (I have a phobia of impulse with them because I don't trust this institution. I'm afraid to insult them without want it but fortunately this is just a phobia impulse).

Corruption in judical system (Guardianship abuse , rigged procedure in commercial matters , judged who destroy evidences in civil matters etc...) does exist but it does seem to be a minority.
If nothing is done against corruption it will worsen.



Why learn extinct languages ?
How can we participate in the lives people deceased long time ago by listening theirs languages if they aren't alive  ?
I agree with you about the fact listening contemporary languages of people living far away make participate us in theirs lives ?
Which ancient and contemporary languages do you know ?
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on January 28, 2019, 07:23:09 PM
The hate speech laws in the EU are a tricky business.  It can so easily be used to suppress legitimate non-violent dissent.  This is not to say that there is anything wrong with the EU, they are simply not the US.  Neither is GB or even Canada.

On the other hand, the US is moving rapidly, per neo-con/neo-lib agreement into a Chinese style Internet dictatorship.  We will have to see how far the "free speech" can be nullified by Deep State fiat, without violating the letter of the law.  The spirit of the law, however is routinely raped here.  In US terms, with Liberty being Marianne, she is pretty much a NYC whore now.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: viocjit on January 30, 2019, 05:29:32 AM
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The hate speech laws in the EU are a tricky business.  It can so easily be used to suppress legitimate non-violent dissent.  This is not to say that there is anything wrong with the EU, they are simply not the US.  Neither is GB or even Canada.

On the other hand, the US is moving rapidly, per neo-con/neo-lib agreement into a Chinese style Internet dictatorship.  We will have to see how far the "free speech" can be nullified by Deep State fiat, without violating the letter of the law.  The spirit of the law, however is routinely raped here.  In US terms, with Liberty being Marianne, she is pretty much a NYC whore now.

You are speaking about hate speech laws in EU countries.
The article of French penal code I was speaking with you (433-5) is problematic because its content can be interpreted in many ways.
I think the "délit d'outrage" or "contempt delict , contempt misdemeanour" must be abrogated fully or abrogated to become a contravention or petty offence in English to prepare its full abrogation. There were so many abuses of prosecutions that we must abolish it and many people where prosecuted for imaginary contempt because they were falsely accused.

In the French criminal system there are three categories of "infractions pénales" (Penal infractions / Criminal infractions / Criminal offences).
You can find contravention (petty offence) divided in five classes defined in article 131-13 of penal code.
The fine is a possible penalty among many like lose your right to own a firearm , complete a citizenship course (Stage de citoyenneté) at the offender's expense , compensate your victim etc... but you can't be jailed for a petty offense.
The first category is punishable by a maximum fine of €38.
The second category is punishable by a maximum fine of €150.
The third category is punishable by a maximum fine of €450.
The fourth category is punishable by a maximum fine of €750.
The fifth category is punishable by a maximum fine of €1500.
For some fifth category petty offence a repeat offence = a maximum fine of €3000.
For some fifth category petty offence a repeat offence = A felony
Read articles 131-12 to 131-18 of French penal code to understand what are penalties available for petty offences.
Google translate can help.

You can find délit (Delict / Misdemeanour).
The maximum penalty for a misdemeanour can't exceed ten years of jail sentence.
The fine is a possible penalty among many like lose your right to own a firearm , lose your right to vote (rarely enforced) , lose your driving licence etc...
Fines for a felony are between €3750 and €7,500,000
If a person face a fine of €3750 the judge can lowered it and a judge can condemn you to a fine of €1 symbolic euro.
Minimum penalties don't exist in French penal system. There are only maximum penalties.
Read articles 131-3 to 131-9 French penal code to understand what are basic penalties available for felonies.

You can find crime that can be translated as felony (We don't pronounce it as the English word crime but spelling is the same).
The minimal sentence for a felony is 10 years of jail but judge is not under obligation to condemn person by the minimal sentence as he can lowered it.
The maximum sentence for a felony is life imprisonment with a parole of 22 or 30 years. Without parole doesn't exist in France.
The fine is a possible penalty among many like lose your right to own a firearm , lose your right to vote (rarely enforced) , being prohibited to be in contact with some individuals etc...
Fines for a felony are between €3750 and €7,500,000
If a person face a fine of €3750 the judge can lowered it and a judge can condemn you to a fine of €1 symbolic euro.
Minimum penalties don't exist in French penal system. There are only maximum penalties.
Read articles 131-1 and 131-2 of French penal code to understand what are basic penalties available for felonies.

You must read fully the first book (livre) of penal code which the title is "Disposition Générales" or "General dispositions in English" to understand fully how penalties work.



The penalties indicated in the penal code for any infractions are the maximum and rarely enforced in practice.
Often people who committed a hate speech (Racist speech , Homophobic speech , Sexist speech etc...)  are condemned to "prison avec sursis" (Suspended prison sentence) and not "prison ferme" (prison terms).
I will speak only about contempt today because my message would be extremely long if was quoting the majority of articles in the penal code against hate speech.

Article 433-5 of French penal code in French :

"Constituent un outrage puni de 7 500 euros d'amende les paroles, gestes ou menaces, les écrits ou images de toute nature non rendus publics ou l'envoi d'objets quelconques adressés à une personne chargée d'une mission de service public, dans l'exercice ou à l'occasion de l'exercice de sa mission, et de nature à porter atteinte à sa dignité ou au respect dû à la fonction dont elle est investie.

Lorsqu'il est adressé à une personne dépositaire de l'autorité publique, l'outrage est puni d'un an d'emprisonnement et de 15 000 euros d'amende.

Lorsqu'il est adressé à une personne chargée d'une mission de service public et que les faits ont été commis à l'intérieur d'un établissement scolaire ou éducatif, ou, à l'occasion des entrées ou sorties des élèves, aux abords d'un tel établissement, l'outrage est puni de six mois d'emprisonnement et de 7 500 euros d'amende.

Lorsqu'il est commis en réunion, l'outrage prévu au premier alinéa est puni de six mois d'emprisonnement et de 7 500 euros d'amende, et l'outrage prévu au deuxième alinéa est puni de deux ans d'emprisonnement et de 30 000 euros d'amende."





Article 433-5 of French penal code in English translated by myself with the help of an old outdated official translation :

"Contempt is punished by a fine of €7,500. It consists of words, gestures or threats, written documents or pictures of
any type not released to the public, or the sending of any article addressed to a person discharging a public service
mission, acting in the discharge or on the occasion of his office, and liable to undermine his dignity or the respect owed
to the office that he holds.

When it is addressed to a person holding public authority, contempt is punished by one's year imprisonment and a
fine of €15,000.

When it is addressed to a person discharging a public service mission and the offence is committed inside a school
or an educational establishment, or in the surroundings of such an establishment at a time when the pupils are arriving
or leaving the premises, contempt is punished by six months' imprisonment and by a fine for €7,500.

When committed during a meeting, contempt under the first paragraph is punished by six months' imprisonment and
a fine of €7,500, and the contempt set out in the second paragraph is punished by two year's imprisonment and a fine of
€30,000."
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2019, 06:56:47 AM
France is different, and culturally influential.  Nothing wrong with that, unless one wants to live some other way.  Most posters here, who are American, would rather be another nationality.  And wage a doomed war to convince the majority to be more like Sweden etc.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Cavebear on January 30, 2019, 08:06:08 AM
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You are speaking about hate speech laws in EU countries.
The article of French penal code I was speaking with you (433-5) is problematic because its content can be interpreted in many ways.
I think the "délit d'outrage" or "contempt delict , contempt misdemeanour" must be abrogated fully or abrogated to become a contravention or petty offence in English to prepare its full abrogation. There were so many abuses of prosecutions that we must abolish it and many people where prosecuted for imaginary contempt because they were falsely accused.

In the French criminal system there are three categories of "infractions pénales" (Penal infractions / Criminal infractions / Criminal offences).
You can find contravention (petty offence) divided in five classes defined in article 131-13 of penal code.
The fine is a possible penalty among many like lose your right to own a firearm , complete a citizenship course (Stage de citoyenneté) at the offender's expense , compensate your victim etc... but you can't be jailed for a petty offense.
The first category is punishable by a maximum fine of €38.
The second category is punishable by a maximum fine of €150.
The third category is punishable by a maximum fine of €450.
The fourth category is punishable by a maximum fine of €750.
The fifth category is punishable by a maximum fine of €1500.
For some fifth category petty offence a repeat offence = a maximum fine of €3000.
For some fifth category petty offence a repeat offence = A felony
Read articles 131-12 to 131-18 of French penal code to understand what are penalties available for petty offences.
Google translate can help.

You can find délit (Delict / Misdemeanour).
The maximum penalty for a misdemeanour can't exceed ten years of jail sentence.
The fine is a possible penalty among many like lose your right to own a firearm , lose your right to vote (rarely enforced) , lose your driving licence etc...
Fines for a felony are between €3750 and €7,500,000
If a person face a fine of €3750 the judge can lowered it and a judge can condemn you to a fine of €1 symbolic euro.
Minimum penalties don't exist in French penal system. There are only maximum penalties.
Read articles 131-3 to 131-9 French penal code to understand what are basic penalties available for felonies.

You can find crime that can be translated as felony (We don't pronounce it as the English word crime but spelling is the same).
The minimal sentence for a felony is 10 years of jail but judge is not under obligation to condemn person by the minimal sentence as he can lowered it.
The maximum sentence for a felony is life imprisonment with a parole of 22 or 30 years. Without parole doesn't exist in France.
The fine is a possible penalty among many like lose your right to own a firearm , lose your right to vote (rarely enforced) , being prohibited to be in contact with some individuals etc...
Fines for a felony are between €3750 and €7,500,000
If a person face a fine of €3750 the judge can lowered it and a judge can condemn you to a fine of €1 symbolic euro.
Minimum penalties don't exist in French penal system. There are only maximum penalties.
Read articles 131-1 and 131-2 of French penal code to understand what are basic penalties available for felonies.

You must read fully the first book (livre) of penal code which the title is "Disposition Générales" or "General dispositions in English" to understand fully how penalties work.



The penalties indicated in the penal code for any infractions are the maximum and rarely enforced in practice.
Often people who committed a hate speech (Racist speech , Homophobic speech , Sexist speech etc...)  are condemned to "prison avec sursis" (Suspended prison sentence) and not "prison ferme" (prison terms).
I will speak only about contempt today because my message would be extremely long if was quoting the majority of articles in the penal code against hate speech.

Article 433-5 of French penal code in French :

"Constituent un outrage puni de 7 500 euros d'amende les paroles, gestes ou menaces, les écrits ou images de toute nature non rendus publics ou l'envoi d'objets quelconques adressés à une personne chargée d'une mission de service public, dans l'exercice ou à l'occasion de l'exercice de sa mission, et de nature à porter atteinte à sa dignité ou au respect dû à la fonction dont elle est investie.

Lorsqu'il est adressé à une personne dépositaire de l'autorité publique, l'outrage est puni d'un an d'emprisonnement et de 15 000 euros d'amende.

Lorsqu'il est adressé à une personne chargée d'une mission de service public et que les faits ont été commis à l'intérieur d'un établissement scolaire ou éducatif, ou, à l'occasion des entrées ou sorties des élèves, aux abords d'un tel établissement, l'outrage est puni de six mois d'emprisonnement et de 7 500 euros d'amende.

Lorsqu'il est commis en réunion, l'outrage prévu au premier alinéa est puni de six mois d'emprisonnement et de 7 500 euros d'amende, et l'outrage prévu au deuxième alinéa est puni de deux ans d'emprisonnement et de 30 000 euros d'amende."





Article 433-5 of French penal code in English translated by myself with the help of an old outdated official translation :

"Contempt is punished by a fine of €7,500. It consists of words, gestures or threats, written documents or pictures of
any type not released to the public, or the sending of any article addressed to a person discharging a public service
mission, acting in the discharge or on the occasion of his office, and liable to undermine his dignity or the respect owed
to the office that he holds.

When it is addressed to a person holding public authority, contempt is punished by one's year imprisonment and a
fine of €15,000.

When it is addressed to a person discharging a public service mission and the offence is committed inside a school
or an educational establishment, or in the surroundings of such an establishment at a time when the pupils are arriving
or leaving the premises, contempt is punished by six months' imprisonment and by a fine for €7,500.

When committed during a meeting, contempt under the first paragraph is punished by six months' imprisonment and
a fine of €7,500, and the contempt set out in the second paragraph is punished by two year's imprisonment and a fine of
€30,000."


After some considerable thought...   FUCK OFF...  I'm deleting my EU notice from my blog.  You guys are assholes...
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2019, 01:06:33 PM
GB is almost as much politically correct.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: viocjit on February 03, 2019, 03:09:53 AM
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France is different, and culturally influential.  Nothing wrong with that, unless one wants to live some other way.  Most posters here, who are American, would rather be another nationality.  And wage a doomed war to convince the majority to be more like Sweden etc.

Yes , France is different but each country have its own identity.
I have French citizenship and I haven't another one but I think France isn't an example to follow even if it's influential.
Happily I have a clean criminal record since I'm born but I know a bad word can change it.
Do you know what that is to control what you say on Internet and in public spaces like streets because your freedom of speech is limited because what you say can be misinterpreted and uphold a conviction on you ?
France is far to be a dictatorship but this is problematic because you can't say fully what you think.
Nearly all aspects of French life are under control of laws. We have so many laws that some of them are nearly never enforced.
For example article R621-2 of code pénal (Penal Code / Criminal Code) prohibiting people to insult anyone in private (Your home , his / her home , email destined only to the insulted person) who punish people by a fine of €38 if they do it is very rarely enforced.

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After some considerable thought...   FUCK OFF...  I'm deleting my EU notice from my blog.  You guys are assholes...

What thing are the most shocking in my message ? Is it the existence of contempt felony in France or another thing ?
If you want I can share with you others laws about hate speech in France.

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GB is almost as much politically correct.

I think likewise.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on February 03, 2019, 03:32:45 AM
Liberté, Equalité, Fraternité - these are in dialectic with each other, they fight each other.  Full liberty would always lead to inequality.  Full equality requires suppression of liberty.  Liberty of other Francophones to move to France is contrary to fraternity, given in-migration since 1950 from former French colonies.

Every country has problems.  The US also has many laws, that are arbitrarily enforced.  We are too large and heterogeneous, to be easily PC.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Cavebear on February 03, 2019, 07:45:04 AM
I was having a bad day.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on February 03, 2019, 09:51:11 AM
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I was having a bad day.

Hope today is better for you.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: viocjit on February 04, 2019, 11:15:19 PM
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Liberté, Equalité, Fraternité - these are in dialectic with each other, they fight each other.  Full liberty would always lead to inequality.  Full equality requires suppression of liberty.  Liberty of other Francophones to move to France is contrary to fraternity, given in-migration since 1950 from former French colonies.

Every country has problems.  The US also has many laws, that are arbitrarily enforced.  We are too large and heterogeneous, to be easily PC.

The right word isn't "équalité" but "égalité".
Liberté , Égalité , Fraternité (Liberty , Equality , Brotherhood) is the official national motto of French Republic but you already know this.
I agree about the fact full liberty is a danger for any society but I don't believe in the feasibility of full equality.

Equality means everybody would be treated the same way by the French institutions but this is not what happens in practice.

Example n°1 :
Article 15-3 of code de procédure pénale (Code of penal procedure / Code of criminal procedure) say a police officer haven't the right to refuse a complaint but in practice it can happens. There are uneducated women who want to complaint against men for domestic battery who see their complaint refused under pretext they haven't a medical exam to prove they are victims of domestic battery even if under the law you don't need any documents to complaint.
There are mentally ill women victims of sexual abuses by a figure of authority (Psychiatrist , General practionner , Male nurse etc...) who see their complaint refused by a police officer even if a member of police force haven't this right.
But if the woman complaining is someone with a high lever of education and a good social statute who see her complaint refused.
She would have the knowledge to defend herself face to this when average citizens haven't the knowledge.


Example n°2 :
In French Republic you can get a public defendant (Avocat commis d'office) if you're too poor to pay a lawyer (Avocat) to defend yourself at court.
As you must have an authorisation from a BAJ (Bureau d'Aide Juridictionelle / Legal Aid office) to get one and go to court with him or her nor get money to afford a lawyer.
That means in some cases your request can be denied if BAJ estimate you have few chances to win.
Public defendant are often less skilled that lawyer who aren't public defendant.
I already saw that for a man who wanted to contest a decision about him from a cour d'appel (Appeal court) to cour de cassation (Cassation Court) that is similar to Supreme courts in English speaking countries.

Only some approved lawyers are authorised to work in cases introduced to cour de cassation and it will cost you between €4000 and €9000.
In the majority of cases only the richest can send theirs cases to cour de cassation because BAJ denied the requests for cour de cassation in the majority of cases.
It's problematic because someone who has a violated right guaranteed by "Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms" (More know under the name of European Convention on Human Rights and ECHR).
This person wouldn’t be able to complaint to European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) an institution dependent of Council of Europe (No link with European Union) because this court consider you must use all means of national law before send your case to them but there are some exceptions.
French Republic was condemned many times by ECHR. The situation would be certainly worse if ECHR didn't exist.
I trust more ECHR than French courts.

The case Selmouni v. France (Application no. 25803/94 , 29 EHRR 403) is among the most serious cases of human rights violation in which French Republic was convicted by ECHR.
He was beaten by polices officers. If ECHR wasn't there this injustice would never be renown.
The case here : http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/app/conversion/pdf/?library=ECHR&id=001-58287&filename=001-58287.pdf
Case Summary : https://www.lawteacher.net/cases/selmouni-v-france.php


Example n°3 :
Education in public school is free of fee but private school who are contractors of the state can choose theirs students.
Private schools who are contractors of the state are more prestigious than public school and that means you will have better professional opportunities if you're from a pvt. school.
Private schools who are contractors of the state have a tendency to select the better students and those from richest families.
That create an inequality between schools with the complicity of the state.
Why not create many categories (Mentally ill , Physically disabled , Those from poor neighboorhood etc...) of scholarship for students who haven't relatives to pay fee (Average €20,000 annually) for a society more inclusive ?
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: viocjit on February 04, 2019, 11:19:58 PM
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I was having a bad day.

What happens to you ?

PS : I forget to say to Baruch that I agree with him when he say every country have problems.
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2019, 03:14:20 AM
Back to shamanism ... the underlay of religion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF9HeXg65AE
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on February 23, 2019, 01:28:26 AM
Bacchus/Dionysius ... what I recently claim to represent ironically ... and I think represents the chaos present in posters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNF-8QFigLM

Video restored twice.  May Youtube fall into Hades!
Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Cavebear on February 26, 2019, 09:24:24 AM
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What happens to you ?

The wrath of grapes?

Title: Re: A hymn to the old ways ...
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2019, 12:55:02 PM
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The wrath of grapes?

It is thought that both King Antiochus IV and Emperor Hadrian persecuted the Jews, because we drink wine (they did not) and we don't support gay sex (which they both did).  It was only in the 19th century, with Welches grape juice, that communion became non-alcoholic.
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Post by: Baruch on April 20, 2019, 02:41:08 PM
Bacchus video restored in above post.  Twice.
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Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2019, 03:16:02 AM
Greek gods are very human ... hence their attraction ...

http://www.barefacedgreek.co.uk/poseidon-and-athena

With English subtitles ... for the barbarians among us ;-)
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Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2019, 03:27:21 AM
The latest on Greek gods today ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGPhjp9ZOs
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Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2019, 04:21:36 AM
Adding Venus ... because I like sex ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJWITZyXsw
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Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2019, 04:26:02 AM
Beautiful Homeric Greek ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34cxfSNAxg

Beautiful modern Latin, with classical pronunciation ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25hvBya6MjE
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Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2019, 04:46:40 AM
Ancient religion can be resurrected too, not just individual people ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBpNu4_TP9w

I consider this a beautiful thing, if done with integrity.  But it is ethnic religion generally, like regular Judaism.
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Post by: Sal1981 on June 17, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
What about old Norse inspired music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wuRxSVkbqk
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Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2019, 09:24:07 PM
EU is trying to outlaw some of the runes ;-(
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Post by: viocjit on June 18, 2019, 04:50:37 AM
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EU is trying to outlaw some of the runes ;-(

Why do you say that ?
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Post by: Baruch on June 18, 2019, 08:20:15 AM
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Why do you say that ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHzZCNpVvmc

The current Swedes hate their own history, including King Gustavus Adolphus!  They want to be Black Camerooneans so bad!