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Title: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: pr126 on November 14, 2018, 12:03:33 PM
While Macron Was Condemning Nationalism, Poland Has Their Largest Independence Day March Ever

Some media reported that the marching Polish people are the far-right neo-Nazi, xenophobic white supremacist.

Shocking.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtXXKovulOk
Title: Re: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: Baruch on November 14, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
For Germany and Russia, the only good Pole is a dead Pole.  Are we on the right side of history or what?

We should have carpet bombed Stalin with nukes, all the way to Yakutsk Siberia.  And use German slave labor to rebuild it.
Title: Re: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 02:23:31 PM
All previously subjugated nations have political problems.  Poland has been wrecked in so many ways throughout history.  I would give them some time...
Title: Re: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: Baruch on November 14, 2018, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 02:23:31 PM
All previously subjugated nations have political problems.  Poland has been wrecked in so many ways throughout history.  I would give them some time...

Germany and Russia never will.
Title: Re: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: Shiranu on November 19, 2018, 04:45:01 AM
Pr, you do realise that Poland just purged their Supreme Court because it imposed checks and balances on the PM, right?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/world/europe/poland-supreme-court-protest.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/world/europe/poland-supreme-court-protest.html)

You know, in a Western, secular democracy that is not a good thing. That is authoritarian behaviour, something you seem to continue to support so long as the authoritarians hate the same people you do.

Who made you such a useful idiot?
Title: Re: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: Baruch on November 19, 2018, 01:05:11 PM
Poland wasn't progressive in 1939 either.  Authoritarian, militaristic, anti-semitic.  Catholicism keeps on giving.
Title: Re: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on November 19, 2018, 04:45:01 AM
Pr, you do realise that Poland just purged their Supreme Court because it imposed checks and balances on the PM, right?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/world/europe/poland-supreme-court-protest.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/world/europe/poland-supreme-court-protest.html)

You know, in a Western, secular democracy that is not a good thing. That is authoritarian behaviour, something you seem to continue to support so long as the authoritarians hate the same people you do.

Who made you such a useful idiot?

I do have to remind myself that Poland was never a bastion of freedom.  But they try sometimes (failure is the default). 

As I would welcome any nation that takes a daring step over the line to democracy, I will equally welcome any nation that steps away from authoritarianism.  The first step is hard and may not be permanent, but few things are. 

When a child takes its first step and falls, do we applaud the try or do we criticize the failure? 
Title: Re: Eastern & Western Europe. Compare and contrast.
Post by: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 10:32:40 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 04:08:58 PM
I do have to remind myself that Poland was never a bastion of freedom.  But they try sometimes (failure is the default). 

As I would welcome any nation that takes a daring step over the line to democracy, I will equally welcome any nation that steps away from authoritarianism.  The first step is hard and may not be permanent, but few things are. 

When a child takes its first step and falls, do we applaud the try or do we criticize the failure?

So you would tell Athens in 399 BCE ... good try, but don't kill a public intellectual next time?

Democracy .. you can fool all the people all the time.