Mass immigration will not stop.
If they are let in, then more and more will be coming.
Who is organizing, financing this?
People individually just don't up sticks and start walking.
What are your thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye8RWgXa95M
My thoughts: Low-information voters with a complete inability to empathize and see past the end of their own noses are ruining the USA with their ignorance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQc6ErHdHM8
Quote from: Mermaid on October 26, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
My thoughts: Low-information voters with a complete inability to empathize and see past the end of their own noses are ruining the USA with their ignorance.
let me ask, are you going to open your doors to let some migrants come live with you?
And if not, why not?
Quote from: Mermaid on October 26, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
My thoughts: Low-information voters with a complete inability to empathize and see past the end of their own noses are ruining the USA with their ignorance.
Empathize with the thousands of the homeless and drug addicts in your cities first.
Do not add to your already existing troubles.
Quote from: Munch on October 26, 2018, 10:25:43 AM
let me ask, are you going to open your doors to let some migrants come live with you?
And if not, why not?
No, because I'm not a communist because that's a stupid argument that can be used for anything. You can help the homeless without bringing them into your house. You can support public transportation without driving people around in your car.
First of all, I think Trump blaming this on the Democrats instead of just focusing on the problem at hand is another reason why he is a terrible president. He puts partisanship before being president and is intentionally exacerbating the problem of polarization. He's trying to use this incident for his own political gain and aid the Republicans in the midterms elections. He is supposed to be everyone's president, not just leader of the Republican party.
I haven't researched this story in depth but my initial reaction is I would, as Trump has done, mobilize the military and stop the caravan at the border with non-lethal means. Allowing thousands of people to enter the country without applying for asylum is not only illegal but sets a bad precedent. I would set up emergency processing stations to allow people to apply for asylum and allow those that meet criteria would be allowed to enter. For those that don't meet criteria, I would work with the Mexican government and the governments of other Central American countries on a plan to allow them to stay in Mexico or return them to their countries of origin. These people are not solely the responsibility of the US government. I empathize with these people's plight but the reality is there are millions of people in dire situations and just because these people can walk to the United States border doesn't mean they are more deserving of aid or should step before people who are are going through proper immigration channels.
Quote from: Mermaid on October 26, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
My thoughts: Low-information voters with a complete inability to empathize and see past the end of their own noses are ruining the USA with their ignorance.
Ruined in 1776 ... thanks Founding Fathers. My vote goes to King George III.
Quote from: Munch on October 26, 2018, 10:25:43 AM
let me ask, are you going to open your doors to let some migrants come live with you?
And if not, why not?
She is from Turkey, her country already did, until they didn't.
Quote from: pr126 on October 26, 2018, 10:27:05 AM
Empathize with the thousands of the homeless and drug addicts in your cities first.
Do not add to your already existing troubles.
Bigger problem isn't Hispanics ... it is all the non-Hispanics ... including ISIS members. Yes, they are infiltrating criminals and terrorists ... not Bambi. Same as they have been doing in Europe. Of course if you are really liberal, then criminals and terrorists haven't done anything wrong, because society is responsible for their bad behavior. Former ISIS members work for hire ... D-party assassins or R-party assassins, as long as they are paid.
Who financed the mass migration from the Syria and the rest of the Middle East? Surely all those people didn't just pick up and start walking?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 26, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Who financed the mass migration from the Syria and the rest of the Middle East? Surely all those people didn't just pick up and start walking?
They got to Turkey because of war ... financed by NATO etc. Then they got to Greece via Soros. Same as the Africans coming into Spain and Italy.
Human trafficking isn't humanitarian, it is a felony. Same as the "coyotes" who assist (and sometimes kill) Mexicans trying to cross into the US.
Quote from: Baruch on October 26, 2018, 01:14:29 PM
Bigger problem isn't Hispanics ... it is all the non-Hispanics ... including ISIS members. Yes, they are infiltrating criminals and terrorists ... not Bambi. Same as they have been doing in Europe. Of course if you are really liberal, then criminals and terrorists haven't done anything wrong, because society is responsible for their bad behavior. Former ISIS members work for hire ... D-party assassins or R-party assassins, as long as they are paid.
So, you're sold on the Trump line that there are "Middle Easterns" in the "caravan"?
Quote from: Baruch on October 26, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
They got to Turkey because of war ... financed by NATO etc. Then they got to Greece via Soros. Same as the Africans coming into Spain and Italy.
Human trafficking isn't humanitarian, it is a felony. Same as the "coyotes" who assist (and sometimes kill) Mexicans trying to cross into the US.
George Soros is quickly becoming the right's Emmanuel Goldstein. Have you had your 2 minutes hate today?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 26, 2018, 01:21:47 PM
So, you're sold on the Trump line that there are "Middle Easterns" in the "caravan"?
Trump didn't say it. Mexican police said it. And yes, many are not poor campesinos ... they are urban gangs. The kind that decapitate and worship Santa Muerta.
We can't have too many staunch Catholic hispanics ... who hate Protestants, atheists and gays. But yea, the Caribbean and Latin America can keep the actual criminals. And you can bet, with the draw down of Daesh in Syria, the CIA is helping their employees find new employment.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 26, 2018, 01:24:43 PM
George Soros is quickly becoming the right's Emmanuel Goldstein. Have you had your 2 minutes hate today?
Jews are better at everything, including Evil. I am sure Soros isn't a one-man cabal ... that would be bad grammar.
Trump is the current Emmanuel Goldstein. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Goldstein)
Right, it's a conspiracy of arch-villains. The Injustice League?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 26, 2018, 12:32:59 PM
No, because I'm not a communist because that's a stupid argument that can be used for anything. You can help the homeless without bringing them into your house. You can support public transportation without driving people around in your car.
ok I know being facetious doesn't sometimes come across in text form but can assure you thats where I was going with that. I help homeless too with supporting local food drives.
QuoteFirst of all, I think Trump blaming this on the Democrats instead of just focusing on the problem at hand is another reason why he is a terrible president. He puts partisanship before being president and is intentionally exacerbating the problem of polarization. He's trying to use this incident for his own political gain and aid the Republicans in the midterms elections. He is supposed to be everyone's president, not just leader of the Republican party.
I'd argue any political party would use this to their advantage and agenda tbh. Seen enough of that with my own countries conservative and labour parties in power over the years.
QuoteI haven't researched this story in depth but my initial reaction is I would, as Trump has done, mobilize the military and stop the caravan at the border with non-lethal means. Allowing thousands of people to enter the country without applying for asylum is not only illegal but sets a bad precedent. I would set up emergency processing stations to allow people to apply for asylum and allow those that meet criteria would be allowed to enter. For those that don't meet criteria, I would work with the Mexican government and the governments of other Central American countries on a plan to allow them to stay in Mexico or return them to their countries of origin. These people are not solely the responsibility of the US government. I empathize with these people's plight but the reality is there are millions of people in dire situations and just because these people can walk to the United States border doesn't mean they are more deserving of aid or should step before people who are are going through proper immigration channels.
Agreed honestly, this I agree with. These things require due process and a system of control. This is the crap we face in europe right now where there isn't any kind of control. This is why somewhere like hungary had to go to extreme ends to hault to flow of mass migration because the European government didn't know when to stop or set up a better system of handling migration.
Hungary and Poland show that it can be done. All it needs is political will.
And of course the people behind it.
‘Europeans moving to Hungary to escape Islam’ (http://freewestmedia.com/2017/11/20/europeans-moving-to-hungary-to-escape-islam/)
Germans move to Orban’s Hungary to flee immigrants (https://gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/germans-move-to-orban-s-hungary-to-flee-immigrants-1.1944663)
HORRORS! These Francophones Want to Live in a White Christian Country! (https://gatesofvienna.net/2018/10/horrors-these-francophones-want-to-live-in-a-white-christian-country/)
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 26, 2018, 01:31:54 PM
Right, it's a conspiracy of arch-villains. The Injustice League?
You just described all of human history. Why humanity is a failed species. Just think what damage we could do if we had actual super powers? Just demi-gods, not gods.