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Title: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 17, 2018, 10:08:43 AM
Marxist have worked on this for a century.
Will it finally achieve the imagined utopia?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVruEq-Gupk
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2018, 01:04:48 PM
That is easy ...

China pays for propaganda ...

Cuba pays for propaganda ...

Russia pays for propaganda ...

Venezuela pays for propaganda ...

Pick the odd man out.  They aren't sufficiently non-White or non-European.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Blackleaf on October 19, 2018, 12:50:48 AM
Real reasons the Left has problems with white people:

1. They don't.

2. The Left wants equality, and whites in the West have long held the majority in numbers and power. As a result, any attempts to lift up minorities is seen by white Conservatives as an attack on them.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Draconic Aiur on October 19, 2018, 01:03:34 AM
It's those radical left party SJW
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Hydra009 on October 19, 2018, 01:25:57 AM
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Real reasons the Left has problems with white people:

1. They don't.

2. The Left wants equality, and whites in the West have long held the majority in numbers and power. As a result, any attempts to lift up minorities is seen by white Conservatives as an attack on them.
To be fair, when you start running out of seats and you gotta make a choice, the conservatives are at a clear disadvantage and will likely disproportionately get the boot.

Cause no one gets along with these people - not women, not black people, not brown people, not scientists, not professors, not young people, not gays, and definitely not atheists.

Just ask people who have to sit down with them over the holidays.  Getting triggered by Nike or Keurig or Starbucks cups or transgender bathrooms or (God forbid) someone not saying Merry Christmas to them.  Going off on bizarre rants about how global warming isn't happening/is overblown/is good, how lazy "illegals" are taking all "our" jobs, and how diversity really means white genocide.

If anyone's getting booted off the island, it's them.  And they know that.  That's why they have to parade diversity as a boogieman to try to get every rube they can to put the brakes on diversity.  And I hate to break it, but that ship has sailed.  There's no putting the gene back into that bottle.

Whether it's abortion or gays or non-whites, conservatives sure know how to pick their battles.  And yet somehow, they stay alive even armed with the worst long-term strategies.  Meanwhile, liberal politicians drown in their own sinks.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 19, 2018, 01:39:12 AM
Ah another video of the extreme right butchering an explaination of the extreme left supplied by your friendly neighborhood pr

Thanks for the nonsense, as usual.

Maybe I'd take it seriously if it was the left explaining why the left is doing whatever your saying, but alas... it is another baseless video, as always
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Hydra009 on October 19, 2018, 01:57:03 AM
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Ah another video of the extreme right butchering an explaination of the extreme left supplied by your friendly neighborhood pr

Thanks for the nonsense, as usual.

Maybe I'd take it seriously if it was the left explaining why the left is doing whatever your saying, but alas... it is another baseless video, as always
I gotta tell you guys, as a WHITE guy who once went to a demonrat meeting, I have NEVER felt more persecuted in my whole life.  This must be how the Jews felt.  Scratch that.  Aside from Melania Trump, there has never been a more bullied person than the god-fearing American white male.

The nonbinary person organizing it was a black demiqueer-shequeen and szhe had a button that said "Kill whitey" on the front.  Everyone else was the same way.  There were Black Panthers (the political group, not fans of the film), commies, Islamic terrorists (aka muslims) who somehow were mutual friends with the commies, Tumblr feminists (who are super common IRL), PC principal, Vegans who want to murder meat-murderers to show that murder is wrong, etc.  You know, the standard liberal gang.

Well, they made it clear that they hate Jesus and America, like crime, and hate all white people.

That's why, I - as a white person - can no longer stand idly by and watch these people attack my race (I dunno why I value race above everything else *shrugs*).  Today, I walk away.  #WalkAwayIsA100%RealNon-AstroturfMovementWhoseMembersAreRealPeople
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 19, 2018, 01:57:48 AM
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Real reasons the Left has problems with white people:

1. They don't.

2. The Left wants equality, and whites in the West have long held the majority in numbers and power. As a result, any attempts to lift up minorities is seen by white Conservatives as an attack on them.
Now compare the numbers of the white (conservatives) in the west to the rest of the population on the planet.
 
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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 19, 2018, 02:09:58 AM
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Now compare the numbers of the whites (conservatives) in the west to the rest of the population on the planet.
 
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I gotta tell you guys, as a WHITE guy who once went to a demonrat meeting, I have NEVER felt more persecuted in my whole life.  This must be how the Jews felt.  Scratch that.  Aside from Melania Trump, there has never been a more bullied person than the god-fearing American white male.

The nonbinary person organizing it was a black demiqueer-shequeen and szhe had a button that said "Kill whitey" on the front.  Everyone else was the same way.  There were Black Panthers (the political group, not fans of the film), commies, Islamic terrorists (aka muslims) who somehow were mutual friends with the commies, Tumblr feminists (who are super common IRL), PC principal, Vegans who want to murder meat-murderers to show that murder is wrong, etc.  You know, the standard liberal gang.

Well, they made it clear that they hate Jesus and America, like crime, and hate all white people.

That's why, I - as a white person - can no longer stand idly by and watch these people attack my race (I dunno why I value race above everything else *shrugs*).  Today, I walk away.  #WalkAwayIsA100%RealNon-AstroturfMovementWhoseMembersAreRealPeople
Hydra, did you have your account hijacked by pr or Munch?

Lol

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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 19, 2018, 04:53:13 AM
My political wrongthink can be attributed to the communist education back in the early 1950's in Hungary under the Stalinist rule.

The "cold war" after WWII is over.
The west has lost - culturally, morally, ideologically.

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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 05:16:34 AM
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Real reasons the Left has problems with white people:

1. They don't.

2. The Left wants equality, and whites in the West have long held the majority in numbers and power. As a result, any attempts to lift up minorities is seen by white Conservatives as an attack on them.

Good, then please donate all you have, until you are equal to a dying Somali.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 05:25:51 AM
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My political wrongthink can be attributed to the communist education back in the early 1950's in Hungary under the Stalinist rule.

The "cold war" after WWII is over.
The west has lost - culturally, morally, ideologically.

(https://i0.wp.com/theralphretort.com/wp-content/uploads/2017-03-25_17-42-49.png)

The Borg just keep adapting their collectivist feminist parasitism.  They didn't die out in 1991.  Because communist psychopathy is a part of the human personality spectrum and social unavoidable social spectrum,.  Back in cave man days though, if some guy said he wanted to redistribute your meat for you (Rousseau was totally wrong), you gave him the Otzi treatment (the guy was murdered).  In fact, in a hunting troop of maybe two dozen (half women one way and half children orthogonally) the meat providers were a minority back then, but at least the parasites were close family members.

I must say ... the UN Agenda 21 plan for genocide is looking better all the time.  Guys who don't pull their own weight in the hunting party, have unfortunate accidents when near mammoths.  The women and children can just shut up, if they want part of my high protein diet.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 19, 2018, 05:38:10 AM
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Good, then please donate all you have, until you are equal to a dying Somali.

No, equality doesn't work that way.
It means that every Somali will be able to afford a Samsung S9+ at $850.00.

Wait. Would that make then every Somali a capitalist oppressor?



Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 05:41:03 AM
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No, equality doesn't work that way.
It means that every Somali will be able to afford a Samsung S9+ at $850.00.

Wait. Would that make then every Somali a capitalist oppressor?

Marxism is s disease.  A disease of any society advanced enough to have jealous slackers who aren't killed at birth.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: SGOS on October 19, 2018, 06:36:31 AM
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I gotta tell you guys, as a WHITE guy who once went to a demonrat meeting, I have NEVER felt more persecuted in my whole life.  This must be how the Jews felt.  Scratch that.  Aside from Melania Trump, there has never been a more bullied person than the god-fearing American white male.

The nonbinary person organizing it was a black demiqueer-shequeen and szhe had a button that said "Kill whitey" on the front.  Everyone else was the same way.  There were Black Panthers (the political group, not fans of the film), commies, Islamic terrorists (aka muslims) who somehow were mutual friends with the commies, Tumblr feminists (who are super common IRL), PC principal, Vegans who want to murder meat-murderers to show that murder is wrong, etc.  You know, the standard liberal gang.

Well, they made it clear that they hate Jesus and America, like crime, and hate all white people.

That's why, I - as a white person - can no longer stand idly by and watch these people attack my race (I dunno why I value race above everything else *shrugs*).  Today, I walk away.  #WalkAwayIsA100%RealNon-AstroturfMovementWhoseMembersAreRealPeople
Loved this.  It's good to post a good snark from time to time, isn't it?  Conservatives look so stupid when they do their victim thing.  If they could only see how silly they look crying about how mean people are to them.  It would be out right funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Munch on October 19, 2018, 06:47:15 AM
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Hydra, did you have your account hijacked by pr or Munch?

Lol

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Oh yes, I'm well into the habit of hacking peoples accounts

That's defamation of character right there.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 19, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
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Oh yes, I'm well into the habit of hacking peoples accounts

That's defamation of character right there.
And wrongthink too.

Screaming and pointing: SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: SGOS on October 19, 2018, 09:15:33 AM
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And wrongthink too.
Screaming and pointing: SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
I think you missed the humor.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 19, 2018, 09:20:08 AM
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I think you missed the humor.
Probably. But there was some truth in the joke though.
Otherwise, why mention Munch?
Is he also a persona non grata according to the leftist groupthink?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Blackleaf on October 19, 2018, 10:02:22 AM
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't have a problem with Munch. We don't always agree, but he doesn't constantly spread right-wing propaganda on this site. I don't really have a problem with pr either. I've just learned to put most of what he posts in the stuff to ignore category. I find his stuff more boring than offensive.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Hydra009 on October 19, 2018, 11:18:54 AM
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The "cold war" after WWII is over.
Welcome to 1991.

For decades now, it's been the slow but steady march of authoritarianism, a pestilence infecting both the victors and the vanquished.  And you've clearly picked your side there.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 19, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
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Welcome to 1991.

For decades now, it's been the slow but steady march of authoritarianism, a pestilence infecting both the victors and the vanquished.  And you've clearly picked your side there.
So did over 60 million Americans in 2016. That's how Trump got elected.

Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 12:30:30 PM
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Loved this.  It's good to post a good snark from time to time, isn't it?  Conservatives look so stupid when they do their victim thing.  If they could only see how silly they look crying about how mean people are to them.  It would be out right funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

You would have a point, if all White males were millionaires (relative to their home society).  Otherwise, this is just more sans-cullotte revolutionary drivel.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 12:33:25 PM
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So did over 60 million Americans in 2016. That's how Trump got elected.

Without some authority, there is no point in having laws or borders (aka legal jurisdictions) ... but then that is the Leftist gambit (until they can seize power).  Anarchist were useful idiots for Lenin's time also.  The anarchists always lose in the end, if not to the current authoritarians, to the successor authoritarians.  Lenin couldn't stay allied to the Russian anarchists too long, after a woman anarchist tried to assassinate him.  You have to be very careful around feminists ... including Ms Corday (assassinated Mr Marat).
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 12:40:09 PM
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So did over 60 million Americans in 2016. That's how Trump got elected.

The gas chambers will be busy once the Jacobins get in power.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Hydra009 on October 19, 2018, 12:46:19 PM
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So did over 60 million Americans in 2016. That's how Trump got elected.
An oddly accurate and self-damning statement.  That couldn't possibly have been the intent, but I'll take it.

Also, I'd like to add that the 62.9 million who supported Trump were opposed by 65.8 million who supported Clinton.

So even in this conservative fantasy land where Trump is beloved by the masses, if you want to be honest (and I dunno why you'd start now), you'd have to acknowledge that even more of the masses dislike him.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 12:49:35 PM
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An oddly accurate and self-damning statement.  That couldn't possibly have been the intent, but I'll take it.

Also, I'd like to add that the 62.9 million who supported Trump were opposed by 65.8 million who supported Clinton.

So even in this conservative fantasy land where Trump is beloved by the masses, if you want to be honest (and I dunno why you'd start now), you'd have to acknowledge that even more of the masses dislike him.

USA is dead.  Half Nazi, half Stalinist.  Nuke it!
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 19, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
65.8 million supported Clinton?
How many of those were either "undocumented" or dead or invented persons?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 19, 2018, 01:17:34 PM
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I can't speak for everyone, but I don't have a problem with Munch. We don't always agree, but he doesn't constantly spread right-wing propaganda on this site. I don't really have a problem with pr either. I've just learned to put most of what he posts in the stuff to ignore category. I find his stuff more boring than offensive.
I agree. Munch is pretty reasonable for the most part. And while I don't have the same stance on every view as he does, he often at least presents his points in a decently reasonable way
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 01:18:21 PM
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65.8 million supported Clinton?
How many of those were either "undocumented" or dead or invented persons?

In tight elections, it only takes a few fictional ballots.  That is why both parties love close elections.  They are less likely to be caught.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 19, 2018, 01:18:49 PM
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Oh yes, I'm well into the habit of hacking peoples accounts

That's defamation of character right there.
Was it not obvious that I was joking? Everyone knows no one actually hijacked Hydra's account
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Hydra009 on October 19, 2018, 01:20:06 PM
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65.8 million supported Clinton?
Yes.  If you got your news from anywhere reputible and not just batshit randos on Youtube, you would already know that.

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How many of those were either "undocumented" or dead or invented persons?
In reality?  Negligible.  4 documented cases. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/?utm_term=.08031516a493)  3 of which were in Trump's favor, btw.

Of course, that won't stop the people who believe in pizzagate or that Obama is a secret muslim from also believing that the Dems bus in illegals, who all miraculously vote without arousing suspicion among ballot workers.  So what's the point of telling you anything?  You believe whatever you want to believe regardless.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Munch on October 19, 2018, 02:54:21 PM
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Was it not obvious that I was joking? Everyone knows no one actually hijacked Hydra's account

I dunno, wasn't it obvious I was using British snark?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 19, 2018, 02:58:42 PM
I'm from NJ and use a different sarcastic dialect
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I dunno, wasn't it obvious I was using British snark?

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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2018, 06:52:06 PM
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Yes.  If you got your news from anywhere reputible and not just batshit randos on Youtube, you would already know that.
In reality?  Negligible.  4 documented cases. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/?utm_term=.08031516a493)  3 of which were in Trump's favor, btw.

Of course, that won't stop the people who believe in pizzagate or that Obama is a secret muslim from also believing that the Dems bus in illegals, who all miraculously vote without arousing suspicion among ballot workers.  So what's the point of telling you anything?  You believe whatever you want to believe regardless.

Since Democrats are virtue signaling, they must be innocent.  An extension of "believe all women" is "believe all Democrats".

What is the news?  Whatever it is fit for the RNC or DNC to print?  Sorry, not buying it.  I wouldn't insult my bird by using a newspaper to line his cage.  Hillary never disparaged the us deplorables ... fake news!  Why, because the ghost of Pravda in my closet told me so.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Blackleaf on October 20, 2018, 02:09:39 AM
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65.8 million supported Clinton?
How many of those were either "undocumented" or dead or invented persons?

Nearly zero, and definitely not anywhere near enough to sway an election.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 20, 2018, 02:51:47 AM
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Nearly zero, and definitely not anywhere near enough to sway an election.
That's what you believe.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 20, 2018, 04:22:49 AM
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That's what you believe.

People here don't have any beliefs, they only have incontrovertible facts ;-)
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 20, 2018, 04:25:56 AM
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People here don't have any beliefs, they only have incontrovertible facts ;-)
Such certitude you only get in monotheistic religions.
Karl Marx never realized he is creating a religion.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 20, 2018, 04:35:24 AM
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Such certitude you only get in monotheistic religions.
Karl Marx never realized he is creating a religion.

As a descendent of Rabbis ... you think he didn't know what he was doing?  But copying Hegel and Rousseau ... who knew?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 20, 2018, 04:55:33 AM
People never question how many deaths the Prophet Karl Marx is responsible for?
How much misery, deprivation, starvation this ideology has caused?

And still, keep wanting more of the same?

 American socialism, 2018 (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/10/american_socialism_2018.html)

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San Francisco: Now so bad, it'll make you cry (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/10/san_francisco_now_so_bad_itll_make_you_cry.html)
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Twentieth-century San Francisco, Herb Caen's beloved Baghdad by the Bay, has ceased to exist.  It has been replaced by a city where the sidewalks around Market Street are, in places, caked in feces, urine, and vomit.  The stink as you emerge from the BART batters you like frozen sleet, shocking and overwhelming.  The hordes of homeless, sprawled in doorways and sleeping on the sidewalks, are a bitterly eclectic mixture of the mentally deranged; burnt out druggies; dead-eyed hippies; con artists; pickpockets; and hundreds of simply lost, forgotten souls.

Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 20, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
Republicans - don't care if things get worse, because cheaper short term that way.  Want to keep power, wealth and fame ... at other people's expense.

Democrats - do care if things get worse, because it is a recruiting tool.  Want to gain power, wealth and fame ... at other people's expense.

The answer is clear ... Jesus' temptation in the Judean desert.  I don't see secularism having an answer.  Ethics does not arise from materialism.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on October 20, 2018, 12:57:51 PM
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Nearly zero, and definitely not anywhere near enough to sway an election.
The rabid right doesn't have a clue about how to be honest, so they assume everybody else is lying too.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 20, 2018, 07:23:00 PM
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That's what you believe.


It's what he believes because it's the hard truth, supported by verifiable numbers and documentation, and not some nutjob's youtube channel that doesn't even cite themselves, like you tend to share on here
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 20, 2018, 07:24:59 PM
But really guys, how could a guy like pr, living across the pond and only watches videos that doesn't even cite themselves to support their outrageous claims have any anchor in reality of what happens here in the U.S.?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Munch on October 20, 2018, 10:06:52 PM
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But really guys, how could a guy like pr, living across the pond and only watches videos that doesn't even cite themselves to support their outrageous claims have any anchor in reality of what happens here in the U.S.?

dunno, how can any of you guys from the US have any anchor to whats happening in europe in things like the migrant crisis?

Doesn't stop you giving thoughts and opinions to it.

The simple fact is for all your slagging off of PR, you haven't been through the kind of political saturation and degradation he did given where he lived and escaped from. Maybe if you did, it might make you sing a different tune and consider how lucky you've had it in a stable country.

Thats got nothing to do with right or left leaning, thats living though something and it changing your outlook.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 20, 2018, 10:32:21 PM
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The rabid right doesn't have a clue about how to be honest, so they assume everybody else is lying too.

Let the Left pass their own lie detector test.  Starting with the liar in chief, Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 20, 2018, 10:32:59 PM
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It's what he believes because it's the hard truth, supported by verifiable numbers and documentation, and not some nutjob's youtube channel that doesn't even cite themselves, like you tend to share on here

If the Internet is BS, why are you here then?  Hmm?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 20, 2018, 11:29:42 PM
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If the Internet is BS, why are you here then?  Hmm?
He is defending his fate against heresy. A True Blue.(D)
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 12:28:10 AM
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dunno, how can any of you guys from the US have any anchor to whats happening in europe in things like the migrant crisis?

Doesn't stop you giving thoughts and opinions to it.

The simple fact is for all your slagging off of PR, you haven't been through the kind of political saturation and degradation he did given where he lived and escaped from. Maybe if you did, it might make you sing a different tune and consider how lucky you've had it in a stable country.

Thats got nothing to do with right or left leaning, thats living though something and it changing your outlook.
Well first of all. I don't normally comment on things in the UK
Second of all, I'm not implying that you "stay out of our business" I'm saying, if you are going to give us a claim, supply some credible info to back it up, not some video of a guy just talking about it without even a simple citing of what he's talking about. It's fucking hearsay. I don't care about hearsay. No one rational gives a flying fuck about that dumb as shit hearsay.
I don't care if you or pr are going to comment on anything regarding the U.S.. Go for it. but for the love of everything sane, start at least citing your god damned hearsay. You are better than he is at it. But you guys have to stop whining about when we call you out on it.

tl;dr no more hearsay and don't whine like a little bitch when we tell you that it's a baseless nonsense shitpost
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 12:29:03 AM
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He is defending his fate against heresy. A True Blue.(D)
Heresy? no. Just hearsay.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 12:32:03 AM
I'm not asking for much. Just legitimately cite your fucking posts for once. Holy shit.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 03:17:33 AM
@ PickelledEggs

Losing your cool?

If you stepped out of your bubble and stopped dismissing everything as garbage that does not agree with your confirmation bias?

When the mainstream media is your only source to the gospel truth and in 2016 the media predicted a 95% Hillary winning the presidency? How did that work out?

When the media and the tech giants are all preventing any ideas to appear contrary to the ALLOWED democrat ideology?
Censoring any opposing content? Just a hint of totalitarianism?

When the indoctrination centers (colleges, universities) are churning out Marxist activist, dumbed down SJW's and Antifa, BLM, Feminist members?

Is that the America you want to live in?

See how Europe is going down the pan. The Dems are planning the same for America.
Open borders, mass migration, Socialism, totalitarianism. A globalist utopia.

The media and the tech giants are already practicing in advance.

BTW, evidence and reason will not sway your worldview. Wasted effort.
If you really wanted that, you would search and find it on your own.

Here is the result of 4years of college at tens of thousands of dollars paid.
Money well spent. Something to be proud about.


https://youtu.be/WXBwZPxmwpk

Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: SGOS on October 21, 2018, 04:58:39 AM
[Why does the left hate white people] is a fallacy of begging the question, wherein a claim is passed off as a question.  It attempts to direct the attention of he addressee away from the merit of the claim:  "Please answer the question [Why?].  Don't question the claim [Left hates white people]"  It's a cheap attempt to semantically trick the addressee into accepting an unsupported claim.  The question is actually irrelevant.

In this case, the claim is largely incorrect as it only describes a cherry picked and imagined number of individuals which it then incorrectly identifies as "the left."  It also redirects the discussion away from the question, "Why does the right hate white people?  (note the left is largely white).   In addition, it introduces the specter of racism, which irrelevant as it is, is actually more of a goal of the right than it is the left (in the US anyway, but maybe less so in Europe).  I could go on, I suppose, but it's a really dumb question with a lot of things wrong with it.

Not to say the invasion of Europe by a foreign culture with different goals for Europe's future is not something to brush aside.  It may indeed result in deep and lasting consequences for white non-Muslim majority that has worked to preserve a cherished way of life.  I hear you.  I actually do.  I understand that fear expressed in the video.   But saying the left hates white people confuses the issue.  And it's absurd.

In the third post of this thread, Blackleaf succinctly addresses the hidden claim of the OP.  I'm adding additional comments since his analysis appears to have been ignored out of hand, probably because the question was not the real objective of the OP in the first place.



Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 21, 2018, 05:26:06 AM
There is no material to support anything he posts. There is no historical perspective to begin with. It's political propaganda and a very bad example at that.

It's very similar to the way of 'interpretation', religious people do with written sources of any kind. You people know that very well.   

Even with a material at hand, there is another problem. And a big one. The concepts, names of ideologies...etc people juggle around these issues have very different connotations in Europe and in the United States.

If you are throwing the name of one philosopher and an accumulation of countless different, conflicting critical ideas built around it, which by the way is the accumulation of the knowledge that made Western Civilisation, THE Western Civilisation, as some 'prophet and his religion' you don't have an approach or criticism, you are just babbling.

It's like saying Albert Einstein is a 'genocidal maniac' because he is the 'reason' and the 'cause' for the nuclear attack on Japan. Well, not a very good analogy, but then a suitable one for the sort of minds in question.

Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 05:40:29 AM
Campus Argument Goes Viral As Evergreen State Is Caught In Racial Turmoil (HBO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cMYfxOFBBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxXS3_aesTQ
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Munch on October 21, 2018, 08:39:38 AM
This doesn't suit my political agenda! This is fake news!
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
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There is no material to support anything he posts. There is no historical perspective to begin with. It's political propaganda and a very bad example at that.

It's very similar to the way of 'interpretation', religious people do with written sources of any kind. You people know that very well.   

Even with a material at hand, there is another problem. And a big one. The concepts, names of ideologies...etc people juggle around these issues have very different connotations in Europe and in the United States.

If you are throwing the name of one philosopher and an accumulation of countless different, conflicting critical ideas built around it, which by the way is the accumulation of the knowledge that made Western Civilisation, THE Western Civilisation, as some 'prophet and his religion' you don't have an approach or criticism, you are just babbling.

It's like saying Albert Einstein is a 'genocidal maniac' because he is the 'reason' and the 'cause' for the nuclear attack on Japan. Well, not a very good analogy, but then a suitable one for the sort of minds in question.

Sorry.  Your backup is your Continental Philosophy and ideology.  Give us facts about Erdogan etc.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 08:59:48 AM
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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 09:01:33 AM
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This doesn't suit my political agenda! This is fake news!

First they came for my Twitter, but I am not a twit ...
Then they came for my YouTube, but I am not a vidiot ...
Then they came for my Facebook, but by now I had lost face ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=UiBKj1RTS30

And nobody is at fault.  A faceless algorithm is targeting thing (that and a huge cadre of human SJW reviewers ... cough, cough).

So how long before all atheist content, all gay content is deleted from the Internet, because Emperor Xi doesn't like it?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 09:03:36 AM
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Heresy? no. Just hearsay.

So is this post approved by the imprimatur of a Catholic bishop?  Otherwise it isn't vetted by experts in exorcism.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 09:09:10 AM
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@ PickelledEggs

Losing your cool?

If you stepped out of your bubble and stopped dismissing everything as garbage that does not agree with your confirmation bias?

When the mainstream media is your only source to the gospel truth and in 2016 the media predicted a 95% Hillary winning the presidency? How did that work out?

When the media and the tech giants are all preventing any ideas to appear contrary to the ALLOWED democrat ideology?
Censoring any opposing content? Just a hint of totaliarism?

When the indoctrination centers (colleges, universities) are churning out Marxist activist, dumbed down SJW's and Antifa, BLM, Feminist members?

Is that the America you want to live in?

See how Europe is going down the pan. The Dems are planning the same for America.
Open borders, mass migration, Socialism, totalitarianism. A globalist utopia.

The media and the tech giants are already practicing in advance.

BTW, evidence and reason will not sway your worldview. Wasted effort.
If you really wanted that, you would search and find it on your own.

Here is the result of 4years of college at tens of thousands of dollars paid.
Money well spent. Something to be proud about.


https://youtu.be/WXBwZPxmwpk

Correct ... Cavebear is very clear ... legacy media, MSM, the fully penetrated by CIA folks ... they are the sole "real reportage".  Read your Pravda every day, Citizen.  Completely put the Las Vegas massacre down the memory hole, or it is another session with Big Brother for you.  Better that than a session with SA savages.  And still nobody admitting what happened to that Dutch airline over the Ukraine.

But honestly, it is very hard for any of us old folk to deal with the cognitive dissonance of these times.  So have some sympathy, and take another swig of Geratol.  There are probably people who believe that Donald Trump was in the Ancyra SA consulate, dismembering Mr Kashoggi.  And if the Washington Post (who employed him) says so, then you know it is true.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 09:14:22 AM
Unrelated note on American Left ...

Today, D-monkeys want ... in 2020.

1. Joe
2. Bernie
3. Hillary

Is this because of their worthless college educations?  Well at least Faux-ohontas isn't as rated.  Must be fake news about her self destruction via marginal DNA test ... proving that she got "affirmative action" she wasn't entitled to ... a Dolezal before her time.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: SGOS on October 21, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
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This doesn't suit my political agenda! This is fake news!
Fake news is determined by the truth of it's claim.  Fake news consists of lies, false reports, and unsupported claims presented as fact.  This should not be confused with propaganda, which can be created by shifting focus, and ignoring events which don't suit a political agenda.  Why the left hates white people is a bit of both.  It uses flawed logic and fallacy to imply that something about the left, which is far more characteristic of the right.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 21, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
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Sorry.  Your backup is your Continental Philosophy and ideology. 

This is exactly what I am talking about,lol. My 'backup', yeah. Do you honestly think that there is some sort of an idea or a 'philosophy' on the planet that is not related to this boogie man called Karl Marx or any critical theory produced after which you are trying so hard to look down?

Yeah I know it is annoying. Yeah I have written this before. Yes, It's the so called broken record of the evil cultural marxists, socialists, and feminists and blah blah. But there is not. Sorry.

Let me put it this way. If you or pr were able to actually produce some sort of criticism of cultural marxism that would be included in the populist accumulation of cultural marxism.

For example, Foucault is one of the best critics of cultural marxism and probably the best asset of critcal theory. In fact, Foucault actually goes further than cultural marxists in contributing to the accumulation you pretend to dismiss. Can you follow this?

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Give us facts about Erdogan etc.

What does 'giving facts about Erdoğan' mean? How can I provide you with 'facts' about a politician? Do you know what does fact mean? Do you mean you want an insight what is going on in the country, is that it?

It's actually pretty similar to what is going on in the States with Trump and the government. You are in the first phase. We are deep in.

What do you think is happening here that is so different than the place you live in?


Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 21, 2018, 10:59:30 AM
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Such certitude you only get in monotheistic religions.
Karl Marx never realized he is creating a religion.

pr, I am visiting London in November. I have no idea where you live, but I want to hear you in person, so I am asking you out for a coffee. Would you like to do that? 

I am serious. I promise, no sarcasm, no hostility. Just coffee and chatting.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 11:01:05 AM
A part of the cultural Marxist ideology. - Victimhood Culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H20jwYq8WI
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 21, 2018, 11:23:21 AM
Does he -subconciously- mean I am the bad gender? :p

Anyway, I'll say this and leave at that. It's a serious invitation, pr. If you are available and in the region, we can meet up and chat about this and that, life, death...people, complain, cherish... And I don't mean about these political subjects. I am not looking for anyone to argue with. I am just saying that I am visiting and that's an opportunity to see someone in person.

I have met people from AF before in the US. It's always a good thing. I have good memories. You shouldn't dismiss it.

   
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 11:24:06 AM
Oh look. MORE VIDEOS without any sort of citation.
Give me a break.

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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Munch on October 21, 2018, 11:33:53 AM
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Oh look. MORE VIDEOS without any sort of citation.
Give me a break.

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if you can't be bothered to watch the video at least admit it. Seemed to be having some unbias points raised of the current society in reflecting to how things were.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 11:37:19 AM
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if you can't be bothered to watch the video at least admit it. Seemed to be having some unbias points raised of the current society in reflecting to how things were.
There is no point to watching a video that isn't even accompanied by verifiable facts. What part of this do you not understand. I get on shiranu's case about this too.
What part of "its hearsay" do you not understand?

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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Hydra009 on October 21, 2018, 11:41:47 AM
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The simple fact is for all your slagging off of PR, you haven't been through the kind of political saturation and degradation he did given where he lived and escaped from. Maybe if you did, it might make you sing a different tune and consider how lucky you've had it in a stable country.

Thats got nothing to do with right or left leaning, thats living though something and it changing your outlook.
Growing up in a terrible political situation (if he's telling the truth about that) doesn't give anyone a free pass to spout unsubstantiated nonsense at best and substantiated falsehood intentionally at worst.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Munch on October 21, 2018, 11:52:39 AM
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There is no point to watching a video that isn't even accompanied by verifiable facts. What part of this do you not understand. I get on shiranu's case about this too.
What part of "its hearsay" do you not understand?

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its funny because PR starts off noting the video is addressing victimhood culture, and the video has the professor, Jonathan Haidt, whos a moral psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership, discussing how victimhood culture forms in universities.
Seems like your looking for any excuse to dismiss something PR posts without even considering the context of why he posted it, the relevance of it.

I could understand this if it were paul jospeh watson or alex jones he was posting, they live in their own world and do have their own agenda. But the guy was a university professor in the video.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
That is why the NPC meme is so successful.
Please don't watch. It only makes you feel bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRKXr5rntTg
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 12:45:43 PM
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its funny because PR starts off noting the video is addressing victimhood culture, and the video has the professor, Jonathan Haidt, whos a moral psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership, discussing how victimhood culture forms in universities.
Seems like your looking for any excuse to dismiss something PR posts without even considering the context of why he posted it, the relevance of it.

I could understand this if it were paul jospeh watson or alex jones he was posting, they live in their own world and do have their own agenda. But the guy was a university professor in the video.
Why do you insist that I am defending victimhood culture?
I've spoken out against it many times, myself and in fact even in response to one of pr's recent posts said that "if this is true, it's ridiculous that they are acting like this"

My problem with his posts is that they aren't cited. It's hearsay. It's not based on anything factual and all he does is back it up with more hearsay from the same position.
Post some Sargon of Akkad. I might not agree with him, but I respect that he at least cites himself in his own video. He offers a coherent analysis...

Cite. your. shit. This is elementary stuff. You learn it in grammar school. Always cite your work. Or do they not teach that in the UK?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 12:56:38 PM
I should also add that in response to victimhood culture and also the citing your shit thing,
I personally know someone that I suspect making up that people were coming out as heterosexual for "coming out day".
Her facebook post read as this "it's 2018 and people are still coming out as heterosexual." I highly suspect she made that shit up. I have a few reasons I came up to as for her "why"s but regardless, I am pretty sure she made that shit up.

I also recently saw an article that is complaining that Fortnite is "culturally appropriating black culture by stealing their dances" and this one I know people stupidly think because a black acquaintance of mine is the one that was agreeing with it.

Victimhood culture is ridiculous, but holy shit cite your shit.

CITE. YOUR. SHIT.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 01:02:24 PM
PickelledEggs wrote:
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Cite. your. shit. This is elementary stuff. You learn it in grammar school. Always cite your work. Or do they not teach that in the UK?

1. I went to school in the early 1950s in Hungary, which was still a communist country over 60 years ago.
A different world.
Long before you were even thought of.

2. With basic intelligence, the person can work out for himself/herself/itself (see what I did there?) what is the video about, how relevant is to the thread and who is talking about what subject.

I do not think it needs a commentary every time.
The is Internet not a school for special needs.

 

Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 01:09:19 PM
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PickelledEggs wrote:
1. I went to school in the early 1950s in Hungary, which was still a communist country over 60 years ago.
A different world.
Long before you were even thought of.

2. With basic intelligence, the person can work out for himself/herself/itself (see what I did there?) what is the video about, how relevant is to the thread and who is talking about what subject.

I do not think it needs a commentary every time.
The is Internet not a school for special needs.

 


I understand what the video is about. Anyone with basic intelligence can do that, which is why you are able to.

The validity of it is another thing entirely. Cite your shit.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 01:25:38 PM

If the content does not agree with your beliefs/political views it is by default invalid.
"Citing" would be a wasted effort.



Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 21, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
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If the content does not agree with your beliefs/political views it is by default invalid.
"Citing" would be a wasted effort.
How is this a logical response? You don't know my stance on things. As I just mentioned I dislike victimhood culture
Cite your shit.

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Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 01:57:22 PM
No.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Munch on October 21, 2018, 01:59:54 PM
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How is this a logical response? You don't know my stance on things. As I just mentioned I dislike victimhood culture
Cite your shit.

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Sorry but what can he cite exactly? Its a video of a university professor giving a lecture. What more could you be asking for?
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 02:11:02 PM
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This is exactly what I am talking about,lol. My 'backup', yeah. Do you honestly think that there is some sort of an idea or a 'philosophy' on the planet that is not related to this boogie man called Karl Marx or any critical theory produced after which you are trying so hard to look down?

Yeah I know it is annoying. Yeah I have written this before. Yes, It's the so called broken record of the evil cultural marxists, socialists, and feminists and blah blah. But there is not. Sorry.

Let me put it this way. If you or pr were able to actually produce some sort of criticism of cultural marxism that would be included in the populist accumulation of cultural marxism.

For example, Foucault is one of the best critics of cultural marxism and probably the best asset of critcal theory. In fact, Foucault actually goes further than cultural marxists in contributing to the accumulation you pretend to dismiss. Can you follow this?

What does 'giving facts about Erdoğan' mean? How can I provide you with 'facts' about a politician? Do you know what does fact mean? Do you mean you want an insight what is going on in the country, is that it?

It's actually pretty similar to what is going on in the States with Trump and the government. You are in the first phase. We are deep in.

What do you think is happening here that is so different than the place you live in?

I have two sides, I am not a Mobius strip (sorry, keeping my clothes on, not stripping for anyone).  But to "counter" the narrative here, I have to bend from "Center" to "Right" ... but in traditional rather than conservative or reactionary form.  Because I am not Right or Left ... aka that is what Center means.  I could choose to be a Left echo-chamber (I can channel my inner Marxist), but how boring would that be?  Cavebear, who is on vacation, in particular wants an echo chamber, that agrees very closely to his POV (which in real life isn't far for mine, because our life circumstances have similarities).  Pr126 and Munch know they aren't going to get much "love" here, so their reasons for being here must be something else.  I know I won't get much love either, from anyone, because I am a theist.  And this forum as actually helped me refine my "traditionalist" theism.

It has been awhile since we talked here.  I can actually engage ideology and philosophy like an adult, same as you.  But that isn't the style of dialog here ... from pr126 or his detractors.  It is mostly mark-line-in-sand politics.  In the end, I have to spread my sympathies in both directions.  Pr126 and Munch appreciate that.  I can see their POV.  I can also see the very idealistic "continental" EU POV.  But Britain is different,  though traditionally Scotland and Ireland are closely tied to France and Germany.  In my case I have a much more positive view of immigrants and refugees. That is easier to do in the US.

"Can you follow this?"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Foucault"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Global village" ... Duh.  Everything happens somewhere, and now that means it happens everywhere.  Every election, every murder, every everything.  There is a big downside to the "global village" ... namely way too many village idiots.

See with politics (particularly US) ... I have to get out my carving knife and start flaying my enemies list.  Debate isn't threatening to my survival or my daughter.  I dig free speech, which is Anglo-American ... not Franco-German.  But if you get beyond speech, then that means war.  Politics is war by other means.  There is no such thing as pacifism, other than as irony.

i like you a lot.  You don't annoy me at all.  Don't conflate me with other people, please.  Pr126 and Munch are atheists, I am not.  Munch is gay, I am not.  But my empathy extends to people different from myself, provided they not put a knife to my throat and make dire threats.  Otherwise I would treat you like any other Nazi or Stalinist.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 02:13:48 PM
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Sorry but what can he cite exactly? Its a video of a university professor giving a lecture. What more could you be asking for?

Confirmation by MI6, by PM May, by Washington Post, by Guardian, by all the usual "state" organs of disinformation.  And only gay trans Black-Hispanic anarchist professors are ... "woke".

But pr126 could give a sentence, even one sentence, why this video fits his narrative.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 02:14:53 PM
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Sorry but what can he cite exactly? Its a video of a university professor giving a lecture. What more could you be asking for?

Hang on, here is the "citing" taken from Youtube from the video.

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Jonthan Haidt discusses modern society's transition from an honor culture to a dignity culture, and now to a new victimhood culture, and its profound impact on people raised in such an environment.

Excerpted from his lecture: "Two Incompatible Sacred Values in American Universities" at Duke University, October 6, 2016.

=========================

Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. He is author of The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, and The Happiness Hypothesis.

He co-authored (with Greg Lukianoff of FIRE) an influential article in the September 2015 issue of The Atlantic, entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind": http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/a...

One could have read it without any help.

Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 02:18:46 PM
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Fake news is determined by the truth of it's claim.  Fake news consists of lies, false reports, and unsupported claims presented as fact.  This should not be confused with propaganda, which can be created by shifting focus, and ignoring events which don't suit a political agenda.  Why the left hates white people is a bit of both.  It uses flawed logic and fallacy to imply that something about the left, which is far more characteristic of the right.

Apply this to all the crap coming out of MSM?  Clean up your own CNN house first.  See skepticism is good, but two edged.  How can you determine the "truth".  "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." ??  Sorry, not available to atheists or members of some religious traditions.  For me, as read this Jewishly ... not as a Christian, this is totally correct.  And not because someone wrote this down 2000 years ago.  This fits the inner meaning of what I mean by "I am a demigod, and so are you".  Without the path of going from potentiality to actuality, from transcendent to immanent, from spirit to body ... then there is no existence, and non-existence is a nothing-burger.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 02:19:43 PM
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Hang on, here is the "citing" taken from Youtube from the video.

One could have read it without any help.

People reading here are "special needs".  They need that to be pointed out.  But not what someone else responds, but what you would respond if you did it yourself.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 21, 2018, 05:24:41 PM
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I have two sides, I am not a Mobius strip (sorry, keeping my clothes on, not stripping for anyone).  But to "counter" the narrative here, I have to bend from "Center" to "Right" ... but in traditional rather than conservative or reactionary form.  Because I am not Right or Left ... aka that is what Center means.  I could choose to be a Left echo-chamber (I can channel my inner Marxist), but how boring would that be?  Cavebear, who is on vacation, in particular wants an echo chamber, that agrees very closely to his POV (which in real life isn't far for mine, because our life circumstances have similarities).  Pr126 and Munch know they aren't going to get much "love" here, so their reasons for being here must be something else.  I know I won't get much love either, from anyone, because I am a theist.  And this forum as actually helped me refine my "traditionalist" theism.

It has been awhile since we talked here.  I can actually engage ideology and philosophy like an adult, same as you.  But that isn't the style of dialog here ... from pr126 or his detractors.  It is mostly mark-line-in-sand politics.  In the end, I have to spread my sympathies in both directions.  Pr126 and Munch appreciate that.  I can see their POV.  I can also see the very idealistic "continental" EU POV.  But Britain is different,  though traditionally Scotland and Ireland are closely tied to France and Germany.  In my case I have a much more positive view of immigrants and refugees. That is easier to do in the US.

"Can you follow this?"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Foucault"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Global village" ... Duh.  Everything happens somewhere, and now that means it happens everywhere.  Every election, every murder, every everything.  There is a big downside to the "global village" ... namely way too many village idiots.

See with politics (particularly US) ... I have to get out my carving knife and start flaying my enemies list.  Debate isn't threatening to my survival or my daughter.  I dig free speech, which is Anglo-American ... not Franco-German.  But if you get beyond speech, then that means war.  Politics is war by other means.  There is no such thing as pacifism, other than as irony.

i like you a lot.  You don't annoy me at all.  Don't conflate me with other people, please.  Pr126 and Munch are atheists, I am not.  Munch is gay, I am not.  But my empathy extends to people different from myself, provided they not put a knife to my throat and make dire threats.  Otherwise I would treat you like any other Nazi or Stalinist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsnRQJxanVM

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Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Sorry, it isn't up to you or me to determine who is evil.  That is G-d's job.  And maybe not even then, since anti-hero and lovable villain categories make this very hard work.
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Post by: Blackleaf on October 21, 2018, 08:02:59 PM
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That's what you believe.

No. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That's why we're atheists, but you seem to apply different standards when it comes to your politics. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not on the person rejecting it. If you really expect me to believe that millions of votes for Hillary came from illegal immigrants and dead people, you're going to have to provide some strong evidence.
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Post by: Munch on October 21, 2018, 08:25:23 PM
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Sorry, it isn't up to you or me to determine who is evil.  That is G-d's job.  And maybe not even then, since anti-hero and lovable villain categories make this very hard work.

think i'd value the opinion of a judge and jury before god tbh.
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Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 11:19:23 PM
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think i'd value the opinion of a judge and jury before god tbh.

I have low expectations from the judiciary.
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Post by: drunkenshoe on October 22, 2018, 01:35:50 AM
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Sorry, it isn't up to you or me to determine who is evil.  That is G-d's job.  And maybe not even then, since anti-hero and lovable villain categories make this very hard work.

LOL, I was drunk and listening that at the moment (Not that vid, the soundtrack) I have seen your post. That is why I posted it. Until I get sober, from a man I love so much.

“I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You’re wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.” Vetinari (Terry Pratchett)
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Post by: GSOgymrat on October 22, 2018, 03:34:33 AM
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Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. He is author of The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, and The Happiness Hypothesis.

He co-authored (with Greg Lukianoff of FIRE) an influential article in the September 2015 issue of The Atlantic, entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind": http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/a...

Lukianoff and Haidt recently wrote a book from that Atlantic article called The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure. I was going to create a thread about the ideas of the book but couldn't condense it enough for a forum post. I recommend it.
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Post by: Baruch on October 22, 2018, 04:23:17 AM
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Lukianoff and Haidt recently wrote a book from that Atlantic article called The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure. I was going to create a thread about the ideas of the book but couldn't condense it enough for a forum post. I recommend it.

Someone else's review in place of yours that might have been ...

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/20/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind-review

My analysis?  Yes, it has ideas.  If it is all about contemporary politics, then this book seems to be revanchism by neo-liberalism (aka Clintonism).  And this Guardian review seems to be clutching-at-pearls by the orthodox Marxists.  Communism is inevitable.  Just lay back and think of England (aka British woman spy letting a Nazi fuck her ... ends justify means).
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Post by: GSOgymrat on October 22, 2018, 05:03:12 AM
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Someone else's review in place of yours that might have been ...

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/20/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind-review

This review included a response to Moira Weigel’s review in The Guardian and is more indicative of what I wanted to write about, which is their actual ideas.

The Idioms of Non-Argument: What happens when reviewers spend more time focusing on the motives of authors than the merits of their claims?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/coddling-american-mind-and-its-discontents/572965/
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Post by: SGOS on October 22, 2018, 07:20:51 AM
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This review included a response to Moira Weigel’s review in The Guardian and is more indicative of what I wanted to write about, which is their actual ideas.

The Idioms of Non-Argument: What happens when reviewers spend more time focusing on the motives of authors than the merits of their claims?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/coddling-american-mind-and-its-discontents/572965/
Amazon has lots of user reviews, and I always look at these.  Sometimes I only read the most positive and the most negative, sometimes just the 2s and 3s.  When the book covers a controversial topic, I always wonder if the reviewer is responding to the merits of the book or the politics of the author, especially when the review is scathing and vague.  For example if the review says the book is full of Marxist ideas, you can bet it's a conditioned response, not one that actually considered the material analytically.  I ignore such reviews and stop reading, sometimes in mid sentence, since I can tell the reviewer is giving more insight into his own flawed mental processing than the actual content of the book.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Baruch on October 22, 2018, 01:11:41 PM
Ok ... competing reviews.  One American, the other British.  No incest there.
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: GSOgymrat on October 28, 2018, 12:09:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzGH97DQzA4
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 28, 2018, 02:35:43 AM
I'm sure you guys know the Pixar movie Inside Out. This^ is what that movie is designed to teach children in principle, but first adults must watch it in my opinion.

Well, of course it is very simplified to reach the target audience, most of the adults wouldn't be able to stand it. I watched it because I look into any kind of animation and this is Pixar. I wasn't expecting anything like it. I cried. Like sobbing cried. It made me think of every person on the planet, all of us, as a child and as an adult. I can simply say, it is the best thing done on evolution of human emotion. And it is a child movie. Hint.

     



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Post by: Baruch on October 28, 2018, 02:38:34 AM
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I'm sure you guys know the Pixar movie Inside Out. This^ is what that movie is designed to teach children in principle, but first adults must watch it in my opinion.

Well, of course it is very simplified to reach the target audience, most of the adults wouldn't be able to stand it. I watched it because I look into any kind of animation and this is Pixar. I wasn't expecting anything like it. I cried. Like sobbing cried. It made me think of every person on the planet, all of us, as a child and as an adult. I can simply say, it is the best thing done on evolution of human emotion. And it is a child movie. Hint.

   

EQ over IQ.  But both are needed.
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Post by: SGOS on October 28, 2018, 06:36:56 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzGH97DQzA4
Agree, agree, agree.  These are three clichés that need to be examined and thoughtfully critiqued.  They are around because they have become indoctrinated (in some people more than others), and are hard to unlearn.  Although, I would hesitate to say they are wrong, but I do fully accept that they are clearly NOT right.  For example:

"Always let your emotions be your guide."  Somewhere deep down inside, this cliché was probably well intended by an indoctrinated mentor.  In addition, there is even a smidgeon of truth in the philosophy.  But here's the rub; That truth is only just a smidgeon, AND it has situational context.  In other words, it doesn't always apply.  One might even argue that it seldom applies.  It should be reworded: "Be aware of your emotions, but don't let them control your social interactions, unless you want to are totally willing to accept the consequences (And blaming other's for your consequences is being intellectually irresponsible)." 

Acting on your emotions can be satisfying, and can give you a tremendous sense of power, but it can be wildly destructive to yourself and others.  Also, that sense of power is not even real power.

As in the case of most of these "clichés of wisdom," there is often a happy medium to be found, and with that I'm going to invent a new "cliché of wisdom":  "If you think you're operating at your happy medium, then you are surely wrong."

Much of the nonsense we believe is simply not true, but these three are a good place to start an evaluation.
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Post by: SGOS on October 28, 2018, 06:42:24 AM
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I'm sure you guys know the Pixar movie Inside Out. This^ is what that movie is designed to teach children in principle, but first adults must watch it in my opinion.

Well, of course it is very simplified to reach the target audience, most of the adults wouldn't be able to stand it. I watched it because I look into any kind of animation and this is Pixar. I wasn't expecting anything like it. I cried. Like sobbing cried. It made me think of every person on the planet, all of us, as a child and as an adult. I can simply say, it is the best thing done on evolution of human emotion. And it is a child movie. Hint.
I would put that Pixar on every adults must see list.  Actually, I think there may be more in it for adults than there is for kids.  For all the fooling around in the film, I think it hits the nail on the head, although Freud and Jung might disagree, but that's only because their old stuffy codgers.
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Post by: Baruch on October 29, 2018, 04:20:45 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony_and_Socialist_Strategy

Argentine socialist founder of post-Marxism (aka cultural Maxism) and his associate, a socialist Belgian operating out of GB.  It is possible that the Frankfurt school is getting too much credit.  Of course cultural Marxists will deny this just as they deny that Islam has a tendency toward jihad.
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Post by: pr126 on October 29, 2018, 04:43:25 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony_and_Socialist_Strategy

Argentine socialist founder of post-Marxism (aka cultural Maxism) and his associate, a socialist Belgian operating out of GB.  It is possible that the Frankfurt school is getting too much credit.  Of course cultural Marxists will deny this just as they deny that Islam has a tendency toward jihad.

The reason why the left is partnering with Muslims because the migrant Muslims are used as schock troups to destabilize society.

It is a symbiotic arrangement (for now) because Muslim are using the left to spread Islam and get a foothold in western countries.

Either way, it won’t end well for the rest of us.





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Post by: Blackleaf on October 29, 2018, 07:53:59 PM
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The reason why the left is partnering with Muslims because the migrant Muslims are used as schock troups to destabilize society.

It is a symbiotic arrangement (for now) because Muslim are using the left to spread Islam and get a foothold in western countries.

Either way, it won’t end well for the rest of us.

Ah. So somebody told you about that secret meeting between all the Leftists and the Muslims where we planned to take down the Right (who totally don't have similar ideals to Muslims at all). You've caught us all red handed.
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Post by: Baruch on October 29, 2018, 08:01:06 PM
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Ah. So somebody told you about that secret meeting between all the Leftists and the Muslims where we planned to take down the Right (who totally don't have similar ideals to Muslims at all). You've caught us all red handed.

The Kaiser hired Lenin to destroy the Russian Empire.  No conspiracy at all there.
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Post by: Hydra009 on October 29, 2018, 08:50:44 PM
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Ah. So somebody told you about that secret meeting between all the Leftists and the Muslims where we planned to take down the Right (who totally don't have similar ideals to Muslims at all). You've caught us all red handed.
And don't us Lefties HATE religion, particularly ones that come across as domineering?  Islam seems like something us dirty commies would be resolutely against.  But hey, if it destabilizes society, I guess that's something we can get behind.  I mean, that's basically our raison d'etre.

Step #1 - destabilize society
Step #2 - ?
Step #3 - liberal paradise
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: pr126 on October 29, 2018, 11:52:11 PM
Leftist governments in western Europe are importing millions of Muslim men, but no criticism allowed either of the uncontrolled immigration or of Islam.

Dissenters will be punished. Islamophobes get a visit from the police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp-TY732s-4









Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Hydra009 on October 30, 2018, 12:10:05 AM
^ *Patrick Star wallet meme*
Title: Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
Post by: Cavebear on November 03, 2018, 02:46:26 AM
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Real reasons the Left has problems with white people:

1. They don't.

2. The Left wants equality, and whites in the West have long held the majority in numbers and power. As a result, any attempts to lift up minorities is seen by white Conservatives as an attack on them.

I'm Left and I'm White.  Let's put that in two catergories...

"I'm Left" - The progress of the world has always been "left".  The "left" has general human progress in mind.  If the "right" was in charge, we would still be living in caves.  And engaging in tribal warfare over local fruits and rabbits.

"I'm White".  This is almost a joke.  Skin color is merely a general response to available sunlight.  The further north you are, the more you need sunlight and the less melonin you have, the more exposure.  People who had slightly less melonin in the northern climes were slightly healthier and produced more children. 

It is not a mystery, and skin color is not meaningful in homo sapiens beyond cultural prejudices.
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Post by: Baruch on November 03, 2018, 11:21:34 AM
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I'm Left and I'm White.  Let's put that in two catergories...

"I'm Left" - The progress of the world has always been "left".  The "left" has general human progress in mind.  If the "right" was in charge, we would still be living in caves.  And engaging in tribal warfare over local fruits and rabbits.

"I'm White".  This is almost a joke.  Skin color is merely a general response to available sunlight.  The further north you are, the more you need sunlight and the less melonin you have, the more exposure.  People who had slightly less melonin in the northern climes were slightly healthier and produced more children. 

It is not a mystery, and skin color is not meaningful in homo sapiens beyond cultural prejudices.

Sans-culotte. And racially blind.  But that is old style.  New style, Wakanda all over your honkey ass?  Tribal warfare continues ... support your tribe or go without.  The original liberals who want better distribution of goods?  Huns and Mongols.
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Post by: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 01:04:53 PM
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Sans-culotte. And racially blind.  But that is old style.  New style, Wakanda all over your honkey ass?  Tribal warfare continues ... support your tribe or go without.  The original liberals who want better distribution of goods?  Huns and Mongols.

My tribe is humanity.
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Post by: Baruch on November 09, 2018, 01:06:47 PM
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My tribe is humanity.

You choose the wrong species.
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Post by: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 01:13:55 PM
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You choose the wrong species.

Which would you prefer?  Dolphins with no hands?  Octupi with small rains?  Raccoons easily baffled by combination locks? Elephants with overgrown teeth?  Chimps who knuckle-walk?
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Post by: Baruch on November 09, 2018, 01:22:43 PM
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Which would you prefer?  Dolphins with no hands?  Octupi with small rains?  Raccoons easily baffled by combination locks? Elephants with overgrown teeth?  Chimps who knuckle-walk?

Raccoons are definitely superior.  Much cuter than humans.
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Post by: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 01:48:26 PM
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Raccoons are definitely superior.  Much cuter than humans.

Cute doesn't get you to the top of the food chain.  Well, OK, maybe domesticated cats.  But there is a reason why humans are not (excuse me, I need to go feed the cats)...