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Title: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: trdsf on October 11, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Astronauts Nick Hague and Alexei Ovchinin safely aborted from their malfunctioning rocket (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45822845) just under two minutes after launch.

Remember: when you escape a dangerous situation thanks to a safety mechanism that worked the way it was supposed to, the correct entity to thank is not some god, it's an engineer.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on October 11, 2018, 01:22:22 PM
Wow, what a ride! I hope they find the problem soon so the program can get back on track.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on October 11, 2018, 07:43:09 PM
Quote from: trdsf on October 11, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Astronauts Nick Hague and Alexei Ovchinin safely aborted from their malfunctioning rocket (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45822845) just under two minutes after launch.

Remember: when you escape a dangerous situation thanks to a safety mechanism that worked the way it was supposed to, the correct entity to thank is not some god, it's an engineer.

Except for Challenger ... then blame engineering management, who ignored engineer protests over launching in cold weather.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on October 11, 2018, 07:43:44 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 11, 2018, 01:22:22 PM
Wow, what a ride! I hope they find the problem soon so the program can get back on track.

The Russians are making the rocket engines now.  They will embargo selling us any big ones.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 07:00:57 AM
We need to get our own program back on track.  Depending on the Russians puts our whole diplomacy at risk.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on October 14, 2018, 07:53:23 AM
Any spaceship crashlanding you walk away from is a good one.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on October 14, 2018, 08:00:03 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 07:00:57 AM
We need to get our own program back on track.  Depending on the Russians puts our whole diplomacy at risk.

The whole point of multiculturalism and economic interdependence?  Destroy the USA.  Our one bipartisan policy.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 14, 2018, 07:53:23 AM
Any spaceship crashlanding you walk away from is a good one.

"it was a 3 point landing; here, there, and everywhere". 

I remember hearing about the Challenger disaster on the radio.  My best friend from a previous office used to follow every flight.  I called her and she didn't know.  The one flight she din't stay home to watch.  We cried together on the phone.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on October 14, 2018, 09:59:20 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 08:52:17 AM
"it was a 3 point landing; here, there, and everywhere". 

I remember hearing about the Challenger disaster on the radio.  My best friend from a previous office used to follow every flight.  I called her and she didn't know.  The one flight she din't stay home to watch.  We cried together on the phone.

Heard about the Challenger for a co-worker.  That weekend my wife and I were scheduled to see a Space shuttle movie at the I-max.  So that was our wake.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
Quote from: Baruch on October 14, 2018, 09:59:20 AM
Heard about the Challenger for a co-worker.  That weekend my wife and I were scheduled to see a Space shuttle movie at the I-max.  So that was our wake.

Yeah, a really bad day.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on October 14, 2018, 01:43:34 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
Yeah, a really bad day.

Back then I worked on Space Shuttle cargoes.  Challenger wasn't carrying one of mine.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 02:25:25 PM
Quote from: Baruch on October 14, 2018, 01:43:34 PM
Back then I worked on Space Shuttle cargoes.  Challenger wasn't carrying one of mine.

It isn't wrong to be relieved at small bits of luck.  I can only imagine how people more directly involved must have felt.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on October 15, 2018, 07:37:51 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 02:25:25 PM
It isn't wrong to be relieved at small bits of luck.  I can only imagine how people more directly involved must have felt.

Yes.  I am glad I wasn't closer to the event.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Dark Lightning on November 23, 2018, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: Baruch on October 11, 2018, 07:43:44 PM
The Russians are making the rocket engines now.  They will embargo selling us any big ones.

I'm hoping Elon Musk and SpaceX can keep it up. Depending on the Russians for space access is crazy, as is relying on the Chinese.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 01:22:37 AM
Quote from: Dark Lightning on November 23, 2018, 10:08:46 PM
I'm hoping Elon Musk and SpaceX can keep it up. Depending on the Russians for space access is crazy, as is relying on the Chinese.

We need to get on the inventive track again.  Let's see some more balanced cooperative space travel tech from many nations.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 02:49:15 AM
Quote from: Dark Lightning on November 23, 2018, 10:08:46 PM
I'm hoping Elon Musk and SpaceX can keep it up. Depending on the Russians for space access is crazy, as is relying on the Chinese.

Communism defeats capitalism.  East defeats West.  One liberal at a time ;-)

Shut up and eat your fried rice and drink your vodka, comrade.

The USA is over.  No need to invent anything here, other than FEMA camps.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 02:49:15 AM
Communism defeats capitalism.  East defeats West. 

and lizard poisons Spock...
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 01:37:47 PM
and lizard poisons Spock...

Really?  The Gorn of the Corn, couldn't even beat Kirk!
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 05:14:45 PM
OMG, I am so predictable!  I just read a previous post and laughed to myself about a likely response.

And then scrolled down and saw that exact response.  From myself!

So maybe next time I return, I will think "Ferengi"
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 02:32:07 PM
Really?  The Gorn of the Corn, couldn't even beat Kirk!
Sure - you've never played "rock paper scissors lizard Spock"?
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 05:20:09 PM
Sure - you've never played "rock paper scissors lizard Spock"?

Do you mean the hand/finger thing?  I almost do that as a routine greeting just to see how people react.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 05:52:15 PM
It's a geeky nerd thing from TBBT. Funny though.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 05:52:15 PM
It's a geeky nerd thing from TBBT. Funny though.

That's funny.  On my cat blog, I'm TBT (The Big Thing).  What is TBBT to you?
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 05:59:40 PM
The Big Bang Theory. It's a show I love to hate.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 08:41:56 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 05:59:40 PM
The Big Bang Theory. It's a show I love to hate.

Why?  If I may be so bold to ask?  Is it because Sheldon gave up on String Theory?  The engineer is actually the hero among that group, the one who isn't a Normie or a impractical egg-head.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
Do you mean the hand/finger thing?  I almost do that as a routine greeting just to see how people react.

At the sanatarium or the nursing home?  Hopefully with your pants on.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 25, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 24, 2018, 08:41:56 PM
Why?  If I may be so bold to ask?  Is it because Sheldon gave up on String Theory?  The engineer is actually the hero among that group, the one who isn't a Normie or a impractical egg-head.
It's because all those smart people are made to seem really stupid. Solving practical problems isn't their forte. All they have is book-smarts, which doesn't count for much in the real world.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 25, 2018, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 25, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
It's because all those smart people are made to seem really stupid. Solving practical problems isn't their forte. All they have is book-smarts, which doesn't count for much in the real world.

Yes, it is a Normie show.  But the engineer (Howard) actually does things.  He isn't ivory tower.  Sheldon is the most ivory tower .... but he is the star of the show.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 25, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
I think I like Leonard the best, he doesn't seem so full of himself as do the others.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 25, 2018, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 25, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
I think I like Leonard the best, he doesn't seem so full of himself as do the others.

Ah, a room mate who would put up with your version of Sheldon? ;-)  Odd Couple much?
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Hydra009 on November 26, 2018, 12:46:09 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 25, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
It's because all those smart people are made to seem really stupid. Solving practical problems isn't their forte. All they have is book-smarts, which doesn't count for much in the real world.
It's more than that.  The show itself is basically scorn for nerds and nerd culture thinly disguised as comedy.  Its comedy is just "smart talk" slotted in at inappropriate situations.  Be more normal and less nerdy, dammit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxFPmF1puW4
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 26, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Stale ... more than 10 seasons.  And no, the Normie majority wouldn't watch a show with genuine nerds, silly.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 26, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2018, 08:57:00 PM
Ah, a room mate who would put up with your version of Sheldon? ;-)  Odd Couple much?
I'd never live with anyone who'd have me for a roommate.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: trdsf on November 26, 2018, 03:35:10 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 25, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
It's because all those smart people are made to seem really stupid. Solving practical problems isn't their forte. All they have is book-smarts, which doesn't count for much in the real world.
Pretty much why I don't watch BBT -- it's still laughing at the smart people for the social offense of being smart, rather than slipping in a teeny bit of information so viewers can laugh with them instead.

Also, most of the conversations they have are ones that I have (or have had) with my friends, I don't need to see them on TV.

And Sheldon is just fucking annoying. When I hear him talk, I just want to hit him with a cast iron skillet until he stops.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 26, 2018, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 26, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
I'd never live with anyone who'd have me for a roommate.

So you are Groucho .. that Marx ...
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 26, 2018, 06:19:09 PM
I'm not surprised you got the reference. Groucho had some of the best lines ever spoken on camera!
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 26, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 26, 2018, 06:19:09 PM
I'm not surprised you got the reference. Groucho had some of the best lines ever spoken on camera!

But you go clubbing here ...
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Unbeliever on November 26, 2018, 06:49:36 PM
Yeah, the fact that this forum would have me as a member doesn't speak very well for it...
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Baruch on November 27, 2018, 12:58:13 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 26, 2018, 06:49:36 PM
Yeah, the fact that this forum would have me as a member doesn't speak very well for it...

You underestimate yourself.  I have only seen you despair once.  Otherwise you have a winning wry humor.
Title: Re: This is why engineers prepare for the worst
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 28, 2018, 06:15:21 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 01:22:37 AM
We need to get on the inventive track again.  Let's see some more balanced cooperative space travel tech from many nations.
That will produce many agendas.