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Title: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Munch on September 26, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaVIOCsJPjM

I find these 'you can't answer' videos funny when its clearly setup to be debunked.

Several of these questions were similar to one another, how did life start, how can you have morality without a god to tell you it.

I think the best part was when he said that most religions asking these questions don't themselves have an answer for the questions their asking, like how life began, they just assert they do, thinking an atheist who says 'I don't know' to a question is a weakness, when really its a strength, an opening to seeking better knowledge of something, where as the religious person pretends to know the answer to something they don't, which is a pledge of ignorance.

Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Blackleaf on September 26, 2018, 10:33:25 PM
What I find funny is how Christians and Muslims use the same arguments to show how their religions are obviously the correct ones. It's also pretty telling how many of these videos they keep making, no matter how many times these same questions are debunked. It's not that they don't know the answers; it's that they don't want to.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Munch on September 26, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
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What I find is how Christians and Muslims use the same arguments to show how their religions are obviously the correct ones. It's also pretty telling how many of these videos they keep making, no matter how many times these same questions are debunked. It's not that they don't know the answers; it's that they don't want to.

Its true they don't want to know anything else but what their piers make them believe, I think the fear of the unknown scares them more then anything, where as people not scared of such things looks for answers and keeps looking.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Draconic Aiur on September 26, 2018, 11:32:34 PM
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What I find is how Christians and Muslims use the same arguments to show how their religions are obviously the correct ones. It's also pretty telling how many of these videos they keep making, no matter how many times these same questions are debunked. It's not that they don't know the answers; it's that they don't want to.

Their stubborn denial of Science and Logic is too op
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 01:07:01 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaVIOCsJPjM

I find these 'you can't answer' videos funny when its clearly setup to be debunked.

Several of these questions were similar to one another, how did life start, how can you have morality without a god to tell you it.

I think the best part was when he said that most religions asking these questions don't themselves have an answer for the questions their asking, like how life began, they just assert they do, thinking an atheist who says 'I don't know' to a question is a weakness, when really its a strength, an opening to seeking better knowledge of something, where as the religious person pretends to know the answer to something they don't, which is a pledge of ignorance.

That was outstanding! 
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 02:14:01 AM
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What I find is how Christians and Muslims use the same arguments to show how their religions are obviously the correct ones. It's also pretty telling how many of these videos they keep making, no matter how many times these same questions are debunked. It's not that they don't know the answers; it's that they don't want to.

Apologetics has been a major industry since Roman times.  The play book is very old.

Polemics same story.  But it doesn't change many minds, because what you do is based on your personality type.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 02:16:25 AM
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Its true they don't want to know anything else but what their piers make them believe, I think the fear of the unknown scares them more then anything, where as people not scared of such things looks for answers and keeps looking.

Since the news is always bad news.  I think fear is a reasonable response to the unknown.  We aren't talking about solving x^2 + b*x + c = 0.

On the other hand, fear is supposed to make you do something, not just give you an ulcer.  Our dysfunctional response to fear is a real problem.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Munch on September 27, 2018, 05:18:39 AM
Myself I've always looked at fear as a good thing, its a healthy thing to be scared sometimes, provided you know how to overcome it.

The best way of overcoming fear of the unknown is to look for answers to it, rather then settling on the idea there's a big scary monster out their after you. And even if you don't find answers, the pursuit of looking for answers is more adult then settling on what your imagination tells you it is, after all that's what we did as children when we heard a bump in the night, but we eventually grew out of it when our parents rationalized its just the wind blowing a tree or someone getting up to use the bathroom at night.

So you can either be the kid under the covers thinking it really is a monster outside their room, or be the kid who gets up to see what it really is.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 05:29:44 AM
Sometime the bump in the night is a burglar ;-(
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Munch on September 27, 2018, 05:32:57 AM
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Sometime the bump in the night is a burglar ;-(

Least the kid discovered there are no monsters, just down and out people with a gun
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 06:52:41 AM
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Least the kid discovered there are no monsters, just down and out people with a gun

All fight.  All they can do is kill you.  And if they do, you won't know anything after that.

Well, you CAN hope it isn't painful.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 12:41:25 PM
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All fight.  All they can do is kill you.  And if they do, you won't know anything after that.

Well, you CAN hope it isn't painful.

And they call me the Grinch ;-(
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 07:32:01 AM
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And they call be the Grinch ;-(

You would be a lousy Grinch.  Wrong voice, wrong avatar, and wrong pet.  I can't say anything about your looks though.  Or small heart size.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Munch on October 01, 2018, 08:19:01 AM
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You would be a lousy Grinch.  Wrong voice, wrong avatar, and wrong pet.  I can't say anything about your looks though.  Or small heart size.

wait.. how do you know what Baruch sounds like?

are you stalking him?

(http://i.imgur.com/1rgY9.gif)
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 09:21:25 AM
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wait.. how do you know what Baruch sounds like?

are you stalking him?

(http://i.imgur.com/1rgY9.gif)

"Voice" as in speech habits. 

Though I wouldn't mind meeting him sometime for lunch at a good Chinese restaurant someday.  And most of all of you.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 12:29:55 PM
That isn't an ice patch!  Swim!
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
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That isn't an ice patch!  Swim!

Sensitive joke...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90)  I was almost there with co-workers...  Just far back in traffic to not realize what was happening.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 12:37:49 PM
Yes, I remember that one on TV.  It can be really challenging to de-ice an airplane in a snow storm.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Unbeliever on October 01, 2018, 01:21:45 PM
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What I find is how Christians and Muslims use the same arguments to show how their religions are obviously the correct ones. It's also pretty telling how many of these videos they keep making, no matter how many times these same questions are debunked. It's not that they don't know the answers; it's that they don't want to.
They're not trying to persuade unbelievers or infidels of the truth of their religion, they're just trying to give pseudo-justifications to those who already believe but don't have the thinking skills or knowledge to see the illogic. They just want to make it seem that they know what they're talking about, even though they really have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
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Yes, I remember that one on TV.  It can be really challenging to de-ice an airplane in a snow storm.

Easier then than later...
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 01:35:37 PM
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They're not trying to persuade unbelievers or infidels of the truth of their religion, they're just trying to give pseudo-justifications to those who already believe but don't have the thinking skills or knowledge to see the illogic. They just want to make it seem that they know what they're talking about, even though they really have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

I disagree somewhat.  Christians and Moslems are the most evangelistic believers on Earth. Hindus and Buddists and Jews are strong believers, but they aren't looking on my street for converts.  For local peace and quiet on MY street, give me Jews every time.  They don't WANT you, LOL!
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 06:42:28 PM
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They're not trying to persuade unbelievers or infidels of the truth of their religion, they're just trying to give pseudo-justifications to those who already believe but don't have the thinking skills or knowledge to see the illogic. They just want to make it seem that they know what they're talking about, even though they really have no idea what the hell they're talking about.

That is typical of the monkey style of speech and writing.  It comes out sort of organized, but they never actually understood what they were saying or writing.  Like that high function psychopath I highlighted awhile back.

Yes.  We prefer our exclusive club.  No need to let in the hoi polloi.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Unbeliever on October 01, 2018, 06:51:04 PM
Yeah, the flat foot floogie with the hoi polloi! LOL
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 05:45:16 AM
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That is typical of the monkey style of speech and writing.  It comes out sort of organized, but they never actually understood what they were saying or writing.  Like that high function psychopath I highlighted awhile back.

Yes.  We prefer our exclusive club.  No need to let in the hoi polloi.

You really DO have a thing for monkeys, don't you?  Just saying you associate humans with them a lot.  That was a LONG time ago (about 29 MYA).  You should really switch to chimps.  Also not our lineage, but at least closer in time.   I mean, if you INSIST on being wrong, better to be less wrong.   
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 06:28:54 AM
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You really DO have a thing for monkeys, don't you?  Just saying you associate humans with them a lot.  That was a LONG time ago (about 29 MYA).  You should really switch to chimps.  Also not our lineage, but at least closer in time.   I mean, if you INSIST on being wrong, better to be less wrong.

Are you denying evolution?  I deny progress, you single celled cilia.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 06:35:35 AM
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Are you denying evolution?  I deny progress, you single celled cilia.

Both early and modern theists like to declaim that "Darwin said we descended from monkeys" as if that was a thing of shame.  Of course we did.  We also descended from reptiles, amphibians, fish, and a few simpler creatures.

It's the chimpanzee descent that is actually inaccurate.   We and them had a common primate ancestor, but we were never chimps.  They became chimps all on their own separate from our evolutionary path.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 06:37:15 AM
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Both early and modern theists like to declaim that "Darwin said we descended from monkeys" as if that was a thing of shame.  Of course we did.  We also descended from reptiles, amphibians, fish, and a few simpler creatures.

It's the chimpanzee descent that is actually inaccurate.   We and them had a common primate ancestor, but we were never chimps.  They became chimps all on their own separate from our evolutionary path.

Correct.  And I knew that already (aping you).
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 06:41:51 AM
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Correct.  And I knew that already (aping you).

One would never guess that based on your continued reference to humans as "monkeys".  And are you familiar with how African Americans view the term?
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 06:47:09 AM
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One would never guess that based on your continued reference to humans as "monkeys".  And are you familiar with how African Americans view the term?

Are you familiar with SJWs ... who refer to you and me as ... The Problem.

It is fair, to call everyone the same %&%%*&%&.  Your problem if you don't take it as a complement.

I work with lots of African-Americans.  And I am sensitive around them, and Native Americans too.  Go ask the Pope of Political Correctness to control speech.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 07:37:35 AM
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Are you familiar with SJWs ... who refer to you and me as ... The Problem.

It is fair, to call everyone the same %&%%*&%&.  Your problem if you don't take it as a complement.

I work with lots of African-Americans.  And I am sensitive around them, and Native Americans too.  Go ask the Pope of Political Correctness to control speech.

If you were, you would not use the term "monkey" so casually.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
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If you were, you would not use the term "monkey" so casually.

I would use the Farengi intonation of "human" but it doesn't come across on the inter webs.

Spawn of Satan is too religious for this crowd.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 02:48:31 PM
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I would use the Farengi intonation of "human" but it doesn't come across on the inter webs.

Spawn of Satan is too religious for this crowd.

I think the tonality is "hooomins".  I would guess "spawn of satan" is a close translation, but it would be more mercantile like "Male of the Thief-Punisher Who Got Caught".  My Ferengi is a bit weak from lack of practice.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 07:20:02 PM
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I think the tonality is "hooomins".  I would guess "spawn of satan" is a close translation, but it would be more mercantile like "Male of the Thief-Punisher Who Got Caught".  My Ferengi is a bit weak from lack of practice.

You have clearly indicated you know all the Laws of Acquisition.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:46:08 AM
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You have clearly indicated you know all the Laws of Acquisition.

Farpoint and Deep Space Nine were sufficient.  Quark was a fascinating character in the sense that I finally understood Republicans by paying attention to him.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 04:02:00 AM
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Farpoint and Deep Space Nine were sufficient.  Quark was a fascinating character in the sense that I finally understood Republicans by paying attention to him.

Yes, we all get our sense of reality from Science Fiction.  I liked his brother Mog better, and that Cardasian tailor/spy.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: pr126 on October 07, 2018, 04:15:07 AM
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Yes, we all get our sense of reality from Science Fiction.  I liked his brother Mog better, and that Cardasian tailor/spy.
Thinker, taylor, soldier, spy. Garak was all four.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 04:21:13 AM
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Thinker, taylor, soldier, spy. Garak was all four.

Cardasians have the best bookkeeping and accounting in the galaxy.  So they aren't all bad ;-)
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 04:53:52 AM
You guys got me about Garak.  I didn't recall him. 
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 08:34:43 AM
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You guys got me about Garak.  I didn't recall him.

Garak didn't want you to.  A useful spy ability.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 12:39:15 PM
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Garak didn't want you to.  A useful spy ability.

I'll be darned if I don't somewhat recall that character now.  Time brings memories to the forefront.  I can get a vague mental image of him and personality.  And no, I didn't google him. 
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Unbeliever on October 07, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
Good - he's probably ticklish.
Title: Re: 9 questions atheists can't answer about Allah/Islam - Debunked.
Post by: Cavebear on October 10, 2018, 04:11:54 AM
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Good - he's probably ticklish.

Picturing a cirdassian, little weasily guy.