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Title: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2018, 07:12:00 PM
Basically written, I think, after the Tay teen Nazi AI debacle ...

http://blog.conceptnet.io/posts/2017/how-to-make-a-racist-ai-without-really-trying/

Basically the nuts and bolts of how Facebook etc could screen everything, while bending the judgement pro-R or pro-D etc.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 09:35:55 AM
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Basically written, I think, after the Tay teen Nazi AI debacle ...

http://blog.conceptnet.io/posts/2017/how-to-make-a-racist-ai-without-really-trying/

Basically the nuts and bolts of how Facebook etc could screen everything, while bending the judgement pro-R or pro-D etc.

The more popular something is, the more I avoid it.  The Artful Dodger has lessons for us...
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 12:50:57 PM
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The more popular something is, the more I avoid it.  The Artful Dodger has lessons for us...

Convert everything you have from the real world to FarmVille bucks, while you still can!
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 01:23:08 PM
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Convert everything you have from the real world to FarmVille bucks, while you still can!

No, they aren't edible.  Adopt children instead and teach them to eat insects.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Unbeliever on October 01, 2018, 01:28:04 PM
Yeah, at least children are edible...;-)
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 01:29:14 PM
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Yeah, at least children are edible...;-)

I suspect someone thought of the idea before though.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 07:41:58 PM
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I suspect someone thought of the idea before though.

Jonathan Swift ... a Modest Proposal (regarding Ireland).  300 years ago.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 04:03:07 AM
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Jonathan Swift ... a Modest Proposal (regarding Ireland).  300 years ago.

Yes.  I know.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 07:11:09 PM
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Yes.  I know.

You showed no prior knowledge ... just I think I remember ...
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 06:31:53 AM
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You showed no prior knowledge ... just I think I remember ...

I said "I suspect someone thought of the idea before though.".  I thought you would have caught on.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
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I said "I suspect someone thought of the idea before though.".  I thought you would have caught on.

Just helping another dementia victim ;-)  I watch your posts to see how I will be some day ;-))
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 10:20:28 AM
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Just helping another dementia victim ;-)  I watch your posts to see how I will be some day ;-))

You will have to get younger and smarter.  I'm rather surprised you did not recognize "A Modest Proposal For preventing the Children of Poor People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick, [commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729."
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 11:41:58 AM
I certainly did recognize it.  I frequently allude to it in posts where it merits.  Having read it years ago.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
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I certainly did recognize it.  I frequently allude to it in posts where it merits.  Having read it years ago.

Then why did you pretend to not know the reference earlier?  Stop hiding your candle under the bushel basket.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 01:38:30 PM
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Then why did you pretend to not know the reference earlier?  Stop hiding your candle under the bushel basket.

Why would I make "a wall of text".  I assume I am discoursing with educated people.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:08:08 PM
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Why would I make "wall of text".  I assume I am discoursing with educated people.

Why do you ignore Swift "he said quickly"?
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 02:45:29 PM
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Why do you ignore Swift "he said quickly"?

My Internet isn't swift ... so I will have to stick with Shakespeare.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:49:39 PM
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My Internet isn't swift ... so I will have to stick with Shakespeare.

Well, he isn't someone to shake a speare at.  You know something I think is funny?  He often wrote on deadlines.  He wouldn't have thought himself any great talent. 

Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 02:54:19 PM
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Well, he isn't someone to shake a speare at.  You know something I think is funny?  He often wrote on deadlines.  He wouldn't have thought himself any great talent.

Your joke was current ... circa 1600 so I have read.  Even if more an impresario than an actor of playwright ... still good stuff.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:56:33 PM
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Your joke was current ... circa 1600 so I have read.  Even if more an impresario than an actor of playwright ... still good stuff.

I sometimes wonder who the folks of 2400 will remember as great authors and playwrights of our age.  We would probably cringe if we knew.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 11:21:53 PM
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I sometimes wonder who the folks of 2400 will remember as great authors and playwrights of our age.  We would probably cringe if we knew.

Spock talked about that to Kirk, when the went to save the whales.
Title: Re: The nuts and bolts of AI prejudice ...
Post by: Cavebear on October 10, 2018, 04:00:35 AM
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Spock talked about that to Kirk, when the went to save the whales.

Yeah, but that was THEIR present.  A bit of a difference.