https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/us/alaska-assault-man-no-sentence/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/21/us/alaska-assault-man-no-sentence/index.html)
QuoteA man in Anchorage, Alaska, pleaded guilty to assaulting a woman who said he strangled her unconscious and sexually assaulted her.
The man then walked out of court with no prison sentence.
"But I would like the gentleman to be on notice that this is his one pass," prosecutor Andrew Grannik said in court Wednesday, CNN affiliate KTVA reported. "It's not really a pass, but given the conduct, one might consider that it is."
Justin Schneider, 34, was accused of kidnapping and assaulting the woman on August 15, 2017, strangling her until she lost consciousness and then masturbating on her, court documents show.
Grannik said Schneider had lost his job as an air traffic controller for the federal government as a result of the case. Grannik said that was a "life sentence," according to KTVA.
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"I would just like to emphasize how grateful I am for this process," Schneider said, not mentioning the impact on the victim, KTVA reported. "It has given me a year to really work on myself and become a better person, and a better husband, and a better father, and I'm very eager to continue that journey.
We could fill a whole thread with similar injustices.
Man who tied up, sexually assaulted 14-year-old girl will serve no jail time
https://wreg.com/2018/08/10/man-who-tied-up-sexually-assaulted-14-year-old-girl-will-serve-no-jail-time/
CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, Va. â€" A former Virginia high school student who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl will serve no active prison time, a judge ruled Wednesday.
Logan Michael Osborn, 19, pleaded guilty in September to the charge of having carnal knowledge of the girl. At the time, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison, with eight years suspended.
In early January, Chesterfield Circuit Court Judge T.J. Hauler decided to pause the two-year term, saying that he wanted more time to review the case. On Wednesday, he declined to reinstate the original sentence.
“The family is disappointed that the defendant will not serve any active incarceration for the brutal attack on the victim,†Chesterfield prosecutor Erin Barr told the Richmond Times-Dispatch. “They do not believe justice has been served and shared concern for community safety and future potential victims.â€
Osborn, then a student at Cosby High School, sexually assaulted the 14-year-old girl after they attended a school play together. Prosecutors said Osborn went on a walk with the girl, who didn't know the Cosby campus, and when the path ended at a fence, Osborn became aggressive.
Barr said he forced the 14-year-old onto her knees, then tied a belt around her neck and hands before the assault. Osborn released her around the time her mother was supposed to pick her up.
The girl's mother knew something was wrong, and the teen told her what happened during the ride home, Barr said.
In Virginia, individuals aged 17 or younger are not legally able to consent to sexual activity.
Barr argued that the former high school wrestler had a history of sexual assault â€" at the age of 12 he was charged with grabbing a student's genitals, according to the paper. Girls accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior on seven different occasions, Barr said.
Clinical psychologist Dr. Evan Nelson also testified that Osborn has a "moderately high risk" of reoffending, based on standardized tests.
Osborn, who will have to register as a sex offender, lost an academic scholarship to the University of Mary Washington, according to the Times-Dispatch.
Are they celebrates or rich? Because that's how corrupted 1% act. Always.
There are criminals everywhere. And I generally assume that all criminals are, in some way, insane. And one can argue about what acts should be considered "criminal" (should giving your college roomie a reefer really be "criminal")? But real crimes should be dealt with immediately. Sexual assault in any form should result in a jail sentence of rehabilitation therapy.
That gets into the purpose of imprisonment and a lot of grey areas. Evidence is usually lacking. But routine legal and college dismissals of such crimes has to end.
Yeah, I don't understand laxness with college students, because generally they are 18+ and can be charged as adults.
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2018, 06:44:06 AM
Yeah, I don't understand laxness with college students, because generally they are 18+ and can be charged as adults.
First year away from home and able to buy and drink beer to beer to beer utter beer excess beer? Who remembers that year. Month? Week, Decade?
Then it was Finals week and OMG!
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 23, 2018, 01:30:14 AM
We could fill a whole thread with similar injustices.
Man who tied up, sexually assaulted 14-year-old girl will serve no jail time
https://wreg.com/2018/08/10/man-who-tied-up-sexually-assaulted-14-year-old-girl-will-serve-no-jail-time/
CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, Va. â€" A former Virginia high school student who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl will serve no active prison time, a judge ruled Wednesday.
Logan Michael Osborn, 19, pleaded guilty in September to the charge of having carnal knowledge of the girl. At the time, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison, with eight years suspended.
In early January, Chesterfield Circuit Court Judge T.J. Hauler decided to pause the two-year term, saying that he wanted more time to review the case. On Wednesday, he declined to reinstate the original sentence.
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Barr said he forced the 14-year-old onto her knees, then tied a belt around her neck and hands before the assault. Osborn released her around the time her mother was supposed to pick her up.
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Barr argued that the former high school wrestler had a history of sexual assault â€" at the age of 12 he was charged with grabbing a student's genitals, according to the paper. Girls accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior on seven different occasions, Barr said.
I see a judge who needs to be gotten off the bench. I can't imagine any extenuating circumstances, especially considering the plea of guilty, the nature of the offense, and the previous record of GSI.
Aww, the poor boy lost his scholarship to college. I can only assume the judge thinks that's a fair and equitable punishment.
Hint: it's not.
Oh, and surprise surprise. The offender is white. Anyone who thinks a black offender would have gotten off as easily, hands up?
*crickets chirp*
When someone goes unpunished for such behavior, doesn't that encourage them to do it again? What kind of criminal justice system do we have in this country!? The judge should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting - he's an accomplice after the fact.
I'm not trying to downplay this in any way, what happened here is horrible, and these bastards should be castrated as far as I'm concerned for causing that kind of harm.
This made me curious though, and googling the line 'men sexually assaulted by women or other men', or 'male victims of sexual assault', or similar wording, and I found next to nothing.
Had to go to youtube to try and find something. This story was from back in 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MfVv_ljeSE
its fucking disgraceful, how many male victims of rape there are, but the media doesn't do shit to support them, bring awareness to it.
there was one comment in the comment section that made me skip a breath.
Quote"Because I'm a boy, I'm not allowed to say what happened to me was rape. Not because it would ruin my "masculinity", but because nobody would care, nobody would believe. I feel violated, numb,and disgusted each time I look into the mirror. I Thank you for sharing this story, it lets me know that I'm not alone."
I have tried to find stories of rapists who raped male victims not being arrested too, but again, it's hard to find reports of male rape victims itself, which makes you realise just how many rapists who do this aren't even caught
Part of my job is asking patients about physical, sexual and emotional abuse. Men are definitely sexually abused by both men and women but they are less likely to report it. Women are more frequently the target of sexual abuse and assault. While male sexual abuse and assault doesn't get the same amount of press as female sexual abuse it isn't completely ignored. The Catholic church scandals have brought the issue to the mainstream. I agree that it is a serious problem that needs more awareness.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 24, 2018, 03:36:27 PM
Part of my job is asking patients about physical, sexual and emotional abuse. Men are definitely sexually abused by both men and women but they are less likely to report it. Women are more frequently the target of sexual abuse and assault. While male sexual abuse and assault doesn't get the same amount of press as female sexual abuse it isn't completely ignored. The Catholic church scandals have brought the issue to the mainstream. I agree that it is a serious problem that needs more awareness.
It isn't just the lack of attention the media turns it's nose up at. It's the sad truth of how many don't report it happening to them, out of shame, fear of being labeled.
That in and of itself makes the statistics lower then it should be reported on.
Quote from: Munch on September 24, 2018, 03:16:35 PM
I'm not trying to downplay this in any way, what happened here is horrible, and these bastards should be castrated as far as I'm concerned for causing that kind of harm.
This made me curious though, and googling the line 'men sexually assaulted by women or other men', or 'male victims of sexual assault', or similar wording, and I found next to nothing.
Had to go to youtube to try and find something. This story was from back in 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MfVv_ljeSE
its fucking disgraceful, how many male victims of rape there are, but the media doesn't do shit to support them, bring awareness to it.
there was one comment in the comment section that made me skip a breath.
I have tried to find stories of rapists who raped male victims not being arrested too, but again, it's hard to find reports of male rape victims itself, which makes you realise just how many rapists who do this aren't even caught
(https://i.imgur.com/n6r6wvL.jpg)
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 24, 2018, 06:22:41 PM
Giving some enlightenment on the fact of rape victims and certain ones who get ignored because of their gender.
Quote from: Munch on September 24, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
Giving some enlightenment on the fact of rape victims and certain ones who get ignored because of their gender.
Yeah, but it's completely out of left field and I don't see how it's relevant to the story at hand.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 24, 2018, 03:36:27 PM
Part of my job is asking patients about physical, sexual and emotional abuse. Men are definitely sexually abused by both men and women but they are less likely to report it. Women are more frequently the target of sexual abuse and assault. While male sexual abuse and assault doesn't get the same amount of press as female sexual abuse it isn't completely ignored. The Catholic church scandals have brought the issue to the mainstream. I agree that it is a serious problem that needs more awareness.
In US view, it only takes 72 hours in a US jail before you become Bubba's girlfriend. Yes, underreport that too.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 24, 2018, 06:27:13 PM
Yeah, but it's completely out of left field and I don't see how it's relevant to the story at hand.
is it? Its a thread about rape and injustice, I just added a contrast to the one Shiranu started.
What else can be said, what happened was horrible, but might as well expand the thread with similar stories related to the subject.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 24, 2018, 06:27:13 PM
Yeah, but it's completely out of left field and I don't see how it's relevant to the story at hand.
Only Women Matter! Fuck The Men! ... common slogans around here ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 24, 2018, 07:11:18 PM
In US view, it only takes 72 hours in a US jail before you become Bubba's girlfriend. Yes, underreport that too.
Too many people believe what they see in the movies. Believe me, it doesn't happen that way nearly as much as the Hollywood hype would suggest.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 24, 2018, 07:15:32 PM
Too many people believe what they see in the movies. Believe me, it doesn't happen that way nearly as much as the Hollywood hype would suggest.
Ah ... but I haven't tried jail yet. Have you? Do a little research ...
Yes, just watching SGOS favorite video game ... lesbian psycho killers ... so much more civilized than the straight male kind.
You are what you enjoy watching. Humans are so nice, so tame ... not!
I've been in jail many times, and prison four times. In all that, I only got in one fight (over a chess game that the guy couldn't stand losing) and I never had a "Bubba" to contend with. And neither did anyone else I knew inside.
But then, I was always a level one, the lowest classification in California.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 24, 2018, 07:41:02 PM
I've been in jail many times, and prison four times. In all that, I only got in one fight (over a chess game that the guy couldn't stand losing) and I never had a "Bubba" to contend with. And neither did anyone else I knew inside.
But then, I was always a level one, the lowest classification in California.
TMI ... but I once knew a young guy online, who was a gang enforcer. Torturer and murderer basically. Not a bad guy. I am glad you could protect yourself. I don't judge, contrary to other people's opinion of me. Well Nazis and Stalinists ... are an exception. Genocide just goes past my tolerance.
On Christian radio this morning, getting up, a Hispanic preacher told his early life story. Drunken violent dad. And he became just like him. Well there is always hope that tomorrow may be better, for both you and the people around you. Not much, but some.
Some people start low, and keep going down, until they hit bottom. There they either die, or decide to climb back up. I do wish people could avoid all the shit this life hands out. But short of that, I hope they can die well, or manage to grab onto whatever opportunities come along to improve their lot. Plain vanilla.
Quote from: Munch on September 24, 2018, 07:11:36 PM
is it? Its a thread about rape and injustice, I just added a contrast to the one Shiranu started.
What else can be said, what happened was horrible, but might as well expand the thread with similar stories related to the subject.
Contrast?
Quote from: Poison Tree on September 24, 2018, 08:52:34 PM
Contrast?
women report they have been raped, its taken very seriously (as it should), sometimes even so seriously, to the point you have cases of women lying about being raped to get men arrested. Women are also not as afraid to come forward to tell.
men being raped, while appearing to not be as often a case, don't come forward as often out of fear, and even when they do, theres a chance they won't be taken seriously, further adding to a stigma about men reporting it.
compare and contrast.
This one is a touchy subject for me, because I am very well aware of how sexual assault impacts a boy/man's life and how taboo it is for a male to admit he has been sexually abused, but I also am not comfortable with people using that as a way to get a leg-up on the "opponent", which is what it so often devolves into.
There is no need to contrast male vs female sexual violence... they are not two opposing sides. In an ideal world, they would be one in the same thing, but we don't live in an ideal world.
All beef aside, I promise I am not accusing you of doing this Munch, but time and time again I have seen men use sexual assault against men as an excuse to basically stick it to women and try to play down (or discredit/silence) violence against women... and my gut reaction from seeing it so much has to become very defensive because of that.
I shared this story because it is fucked up... I don't think this story should "appeal" to either left or right, it's something all shades of the political spectrum should both be disgusted by and look at and say, "Yeah, something about that needs to change because this is institutionalized acceptance of rape". It's something that we see happen time and time again where the rapist walks off scott free, or with a slap on the wrist, and that should never be an "us vs them" issue, yet it somehow has become one between left and right, men and women.
I agreed totally, this is something we both agree on. Its a horrible crime regardless of genders, there are statistics of how it effects sides but end of the day its a horrible thing to happen to anyone. As someone whos got a positive outlook on sex, rape is something that takes away any good from it, poisons the well, and damages people in the long run.
I remember years ago when the american adaptation of queer as folk aired, one story in that was how one of the main cast was tripping out on something, might have been meth, and several men he didn't know had sex with him without consent. I remember it was the first time I was introduced to the concept of male on male rape and it struck a nerve even to this day.
Quote from: Munch on September 24, 2018, 09:15:31 PM
I agreed totally, this is something we both agree on. Its a horrible crime regardless of genders, there are statistics of how it effects sides but end of the day its a horrible thing to happen to anyone. As someone whos got a positive outlook on sex, rape is something that takes away any good from it, poisons the well, and damages people in the long run.
I remember years ago when the american adaptation of queer as folk aired, one story in that was how one of the main cast was tripping out on something, might have been meth, and several men he didn't know had sex with him without consent. I remember it was the first time I was introduced to the concept of male on male rape and it struck a nerve even to this day.
Are you competing against Shiranu's straw-woman in victimhood?
Quote from: Baruch on September 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
Are you competing against Shiranu's straw-woman in victimhood?
Nope, merely giving examples since rape is an issue for all genders
Quote from: Munch on September 25, 2018, 04:07:37 AM
Nope, merely giving examples since rape is an issue for all genders
Gobsmacked! Who knew the obvious? Not liberals.
Neither is tolerable under any situations. The least defense of unwilling sexual contact is wrong and punishible.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 12:24:03 AM
Neither is tolerable under any situations. The least defense of unwilling sexual contact is wrong and punishible.
Good, your mother touched you as an infant ... arrest her now!
Quote from: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 02:21:59 AM
Good, your mother touched you as an infant ... arrest her now!
Good luck on that. She's dead.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 07:04:48 AM
Good luck on that. She's dead.
Always the literalism. You would make a good religious fundamentalist.
Quote from: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
Always the literalism. You would make a good religious fundamentalist.
Yes, I could have been. But then I turned 10 or something... Adult brain cells organized.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 01:32:24 PM
Yes, I could have been. But then I turned 10 or something... Adult brain cells organized.
Yes, you became a different flavor of fundamentalist, the opposite of Cotton Mather. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Quote from: Munch on September 24, 2018, 03:16:35 PM
I have tried to find stories of rapists who raped male victims not being arrested too, but again, it's hard to find reports of male rape victims itself, which makes you realise just how many rapists who do this aren't even caught
What I have to tell happened over 40 years ago, and before today, I never spoke of it to anyone. I had mostly put it out of my mind, but I've been thinking of it because of the events of the last week. I can’t pin down a date any more than probably the summer of 1975. And I know that it is very,
very minor compared to what happened to Dr Blasey Ford and so many other victims.
I was eleven (assuming summer of 1975) and biking home, taking a shortcut through the parking lot of St Mary Magdalene church, approaching the gate that marked the border between the parish/school property and the public high school. A couple of (I assumed) high school aged girls beckoned me over, and I went to see what they wanted.
In very short order, one was on the front of my bike and one on the back, blocking my progress. And I very clearly remember one of them saying to me, “You know what we’re going to do to you, little boy? We’re going to rape you.â€
Now, I had
no idea what that word meant. Rape wasn't part of my eleven year old consciousness. I genuinely didn't know what I was being threatened with.
Instead, I processed it as yet another form of bullying, with which I was intimately familiar, and immediately resorted to my usual (and generally successful) tactic: don’t let the bully know they’re bothering you. I affected to shrug it off with something like “So?†or “Whatever†or something along those lines.
I don’t remember much else. It was only a matter of a minute or two later that â€" I assume disappointed that they didn't get the reaction they wanted, which leads me to think bullying was much more a part of it than anything else â€" they let me go on my way otherwise unmolested. I only now realize that I got off easier than most, and that events could have been
very different.
Could I describe them to you now? Not beyond “blonde high school girlsâ€, no. Could I tell you their names? No. Could I tell you the date? No. Could I tell you the other events of that day? No.
Pursuant to that, do I believe Dr Christine Blasey Ford? Absolutely.
That said: the existence of sexual abuse of males has nothing whatsoever to do with the OP. I am not going to suggest this was the intent, but it does have the flavor of being a distraction by implying that what happened to the victims who've come forward wasn't so bad because there are other victims who never get to tell their story.
And also, 81% of the victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests were male (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report#Profile_of_the_victims). So it's not exactly invisible and unreported.
That was brave of you to speak of this. You were bullied, and if they touched you sexually, then you were sexually abused. What is rape? I assume that means penetration of the mouth or anus with a penis. But that isn't the only sexual abuse. I am sorry that happened to you. It shouldn't have happened.
As to what happened with Dr Ford, you and I don't know, because we weren't there. Maybe something did happen, and maybe she brought it on herself (drunk etc). We don't now. Of course if she was sexually abused, then that was wrong, of course. It is wrong to physically abuse anyone. And being in some elite school, or the other guys are doing it, doesn't excuse it. I would assume that young men raised in exclusive schools anywhere, are monstrous. Like their parents. I would have some prejudice against Kavanaugh, just because of his class. I know how people of that class think.
I'm glad nothing happened to you trdsf. When I was a kid I was never bullied to that degree but was always picked on because of things like my dyslexia or glasses or that I was socially awkward. I'm honestly lucky never having been faced with the possibility of sexual assault.
When I was a freshman in college, we took "Phys Ed". One week of that involved swimming and diving. We were told that bathing suits were not allowed because of "lint problems". Yeah, that is obviously stupid now and the teacher was definitely a bit warped. I went along with it because all the other guys did. Authority mattered back then.
I suppose I should have just gone to the Dean and mentioned it, but at the time it was more "annoying" than serious. If any of the other students raised the subject as being more "engaged" with the teacher, I would support them. But it didn't have any lasting personal effect on me.
But these things do happen and sometimes have greater consequences. In my case, it made little difference beyond vague suspicion and annoyance. I was not touched, invited to anything, nor further disturbed. I have sometimes wondered about some of the other students.
It was obviously, in hindsight. something wrong going on. I was too unsure of myself to speak out because no one else did. But that how those things work.