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Link (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/us/hurricane-florence.html)
QuoteThe National Hurricane Center warned that the storm, which jumped to Category 4 strength on Monday with 140 mile-an-hour winds, could pummel the shore with life-threatening storm surges and soak a wide area with rains so heavy that freshwater flooding would become a major threat. It is expected to make landfall Thursday night near the North Carolina-South Carolina border.
Quote“The forecast places North Carolina in the bull’s-eye of Hurricane Florence, and the storm is rapidly getting stronger,†Governor Cooper said. “When weather forecasters tell us ‘life-threatening,’ we know it’s serious. We are bracing for a hard hit.â€
Hurricane Florence tracker (https://google.org/crisismap/2018-florence)
Coming straight at me. FML.
Yeah, I was just checking this out. A cat. 4 hurricane is nothing to sneeze at, but I wonder how many will try to stay and tough it out. Mandatory evac order though, so maybe they'll all go.
Are you going to hunker down, or get the hell out?
Why you liv in Florida? That shit always happens to Florida
.
It's supposed to miss Floriduh to the north, so hopefully Hydra will be hunky dory.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 10, 2018, 08:59:09 PM
Yeah, I was just checking this out. A cat. 4 hurricane is nothing to sneeze at, but I wonder how many will try to stay and tough it out. Mandatory evac order though, so maybe they'll all go.
Are you going to hunker down, or get the hell out?
I'm further inland, so unless we're ordered to leave, I'm staying put and hunkering down.
I have two packs of cookies, some ginger ale, and a nook, so I'm well prepared for an extended power outage.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 10, 2018, 09:01:21 PM
Why you liv in Florida? That shit always happens to Florida
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I live in Central NC.
Oh, you poor dear! Not because of the hurricane, but - you live in North Carolina!
I was born in South Carolina, but I didn't like it, so I left when I was 3 years old.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 10, 2018, 09:06:13 PM
Oh, you poor dear! Not because of the hurricane, but - you live in North Carolina!
Hot, humid (and unbelievably oppressive) summers. Hurricane-prone summer/fall. Mild winters in theory, but lots of unexpected cold snaps. But I swear, it's nice here for like 3 weeks in the fall and the entire 2-week spring.
I found a place where the weather is great 100% of the time! Well, almost...
Here's hoping you don't get too wet.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 10, 2018, 09:04:27 PM
I live in Central NC.
Falling tree limbs and downed power lines are a risk inland.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 10, 2018, 09:04:27 PM
I live in Central NC.
Then why worry? Your not bitch ass Florida.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 10, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Then why worry? Your not bitch ass Florida.
The hurricane is headed for NC, not Florida.
And because I'm one of the idiots who lives in NC.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 10, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
Hot, humid (and unbelievably oppressive) summers. Hurricane-prone summer/fall. Mild winters in theory, but lots of unexpected cold snaps. But I swear, it's nice here for like 3 weeks in the fall and the entire 2-week spring.
I guess I've acclimated to Greensboro. I've lived in Seattle and Los Angeles but where I would really like to live is Denver. No hurricanes in Colorado.
I have a grandmother who lives in Beaumont, North Carolina. Didn't seem like a particularly friendly atmosphere for a black man with all the Confederate flags everywhere. Odd that Yahweh would send a hurricane to hit such a dense Southern Conservative Christian state. I guess he just missed the gays again.
In all seriousness, though, I hope the hurricane misses you. Stay safe. And if you are forced to evacuate the state, don't forget to buy me a t-shirt.
Be safe.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 11, 2018, 01:26:12 AM
I guess I've acclimated to Greensboro. I've lived in Seattle and Los Angeles but where I would really like to live is Denver. No hurricanes in Colorado.
Lived there 25 years. They have snow, traffic, and forest fires in the nearby mountains. Smog not as bad as Los Angeles (I have lived there too). Some people have difficulty with the aridity (dry air). A few tornadoes and a few earthquakes. Mostly thunderstorms and hail storms ... and we had one bitch of a cold snap one year, and one bitch of an ice storm one year. So not perfect. Perfect is an air conditioned office.
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2018, 06:34:16 AM
Lived there 25 years. They have snow, traffic, and forest fires in the nearby mountains. Smog not as bad as Los Angeles (I have lived there too). Some people have difficulty with the aridity (dry air). A few tornadoes and a few earthquakes. Mostly thunderstorms and hail storms ... and we had one bitch of a cold snap one year, and one bitch of an ice storm one year. So not perfect. Perfect is an air conditioned office.
I
LOVE air conditioning. Having grown up without it, I don't take it for granted.
What preparations are you doing for the hurricane?
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 11, 2018, 09:49:00 AM
What preparations are you doing for the hurricane?
I have a gasoline generator ready. Electric chainsaw batteries are charged to cut fallen limbs. I also have jugs of water because we have a well and when we lose power we lose water. Fortunately our property isn't subject to flooding.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 11, 2018, 09:43:26 AM
I LOVE air conditioning. Having grown up without it, I don't take it for granted.
I remember when the State of Indiana built a new hospital at our county seat. The old was not going to be easily adapted to air conditioning. They kept the old one open for two years for people who didn't like A/C.
Keep yourself safe and listen to the forecast, you probably already know where they are but if not find put where the local storm shelters are and be prepared for heading there
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 11, 2018, 09:43:26 AM
I LOVE air conditioning. Having grown up without it, I don't take it for granted.
Growing up in Chicago during the 40s and 50s, only a couple of my friends family's had it, and it would be confined to the living room of their house. Our family never had AC in the house or a car. I remember the movie theaters had it. Coming out of a double feature (which was always the norm) on a hot Saturday afternoon, the heat and humidity was always a surprise. It was oppressive for an hour and then I would adjust. But in a car or at home, we made do with open windows. Even today, I bask in my AC as some kind of unexpected decadent luxury , and I happily pay the power company almost anything they demand.
We had a whole house attic fan. On hot nights I would put a damp towel in front of the open the bedroom window.
(https://northatlantalife.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/p1060003.jpg)
I grew up in the south, but I don't recall even noticing the temperature until I was well into adulthood.
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 11, 2018, 09:49:00 AM
What preparations are you doing for the hurricane?
Hunker down and try not to think about it, mostly. I'm getting provisions tonight.
It's like Day 1 of the zombie apocalypse out there.
Lots of refugees from the east. Clogged highways. Barren supermarkets. Gas stations positively swarming with cars. Dead things in the water.
Worst of all, I get nagged about moving stuff until I agree, then we can't do it now (cause the kardishians are on tv :vomit: ), we have to do it when it's convenient, which is the asscrack of the morning (I never liked sleep anyways).
But I stocked up on some essential groceries. Pizza, chocolate milk, and carolina reaper paste (https://i.redd.it/m78rpp2lsng11.jpg). I figure if the reaper's coming for me, it ought to be the right one.
I have a uncle who lives in NC.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-74.86,31.67,1994
(https://i.imgur.com/OhUpzW8.png)
I see from the latest tracking maps that Hurricane Florence will strike NC around Wilmington. My thoughts go to them. But the path seems to stay in NC due to some heavy high pressure system sitting over me right now (also drenching us in rain for a week now). But 6" is better than 20".
Also, last I saw on the news, even hardened "sitters" are evacuating. Good.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 11, 2018, 11:07:28 PM
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-74.86,31.67,1994 (https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-74.86,31.67,1994)
(https://i.imgur.com/OhUpzW8.png)
I know it's not at all relevant, and my hope that everyone in NC and the East Coast stay's safe, but that animation is absolutely trip ass when you look at England and Spain and realise those wind patterns are exactly what explorers and colonists, or slaves from Africa, to the New World had to face to get across here, in boats that were almost exclusively powered by wind...
Talk about an absolute crap shoot.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 11, 2018, 09:57:28 AM
I have a gasoline generator ready. Electric chainsaw batteries are charged to cut fallen limbs. I also have jugs of water because we have a well and when we lose power we lose water. Fortunately our property isn't subject to flooding.
Fill the bathtub with water, and all the containers you have. Some may not be potable, but unpotable water is useful for other things. Freeze water if you can. It can keep food safe in the fridge for days. Charcoal and a small hibachi grill is good outside after the storm. Recharge batteries beforehand.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 12, 2018, 02:01:17 AM
I see from the latest tracking maps that Hurricane Florence will strike NC around Wilmington. My thoughts go to them. But the path seems to stay in NC due to some heavy high pressure system sitting over me right now (also drenching us in rain for a week now). But 6" is better than 20".
Also, last I saw on the news, even hardened "sitters" are evacuating. Good.
A graveyard of ships, right there!
Quote from: Shiranu on September 12, 2018, 02:39:39 AM
I know it's not at all relevant, and my hope that everyone in NC and the East Coast stay's safe, but that animation is absolutely trip ass when you look at England and Spain and realise those wind patterns are exactly what explorers and colonists, or slaves from Africa, to the New World had to face to get across here, in boats that were almost exclusively powered by wind...
Talk about an absolute crap shoot.
Yes, Columbus was a master mariner, even if he was an asshole about the rest of it. There are people today who do solo crossings of the Atlantic by sail boat. At least Columbus could have eaten the other crewmen, if they got be-calmed. Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner is ... scary. It was still dangerous, before satellite. And ships are still lost because the oceans are much bigger and more powerful than we are.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 12, 2018, 02:01:17 AM
I see from the latest tracking maps that Hurricane Florence will strike NC around Wilmington. My thoughts go to them. But the path seems to stay in NC due to some heavy high pressure system sitting over me right now (also drenching us in rain for a week now). But 6" is better than 20".
From what I've seen (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/10/us/hurricane-florence-tracking-map.html), it's going to hit Wilmington then turn west, hitting SC a lot harder than NC. Central NC is barely going to get hit at all. Very fortunate for me.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 12, 2018, 10:32:59 AM
From what I've seen (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/10/us/hurricane-florence-tracking-map.html), it's going to hit Wilmington then turn west, hitting SC a lot harder than NC. Central NC is barely going to get hit at all. Very fortunate for me.
No offense, but we in MD have had more than enough rain for 2 months. Better NC than MD. LOL!
But may the rain be lighter there than predicted...
Quote from: Shiranu on September 12, 2018, 02:39:39 AM
I know it's not at all relevant, and my hope that everyone in NC and the East Coast stay's safe, but that animation is absolutely trip ass when you look at England and Spain and realise those wind patterns are exactly what explorers and colonists, or slaves from Africa, to the New World had to face to get across here, in boats that were almost exclusively powered by wind...
Talk about an absolute crap shoot.
The number that didn't make it across is hard to pin down, but it was not small.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 12, 2018, 02:58:08 AM
Fill the bathtub with water, and all the containers you have. Some may not be potable, but unpotable water is useful for other things. Freeze water if you can. It can keep food safe in the fridge for days. Charcoal and a small hibachi grill is good outside after the storm. Recharge batteries beforehand.
The water in toilet tanks is usually potable, in an emergency. Give the water from the bowl to the pets. They'll think their in Heaven.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 12, 2018, 11:09:49 AM
The number that didn't make it across is hard to pin down, but it was not small.
Offensive as slavery was and how little the ship captains cared for their safety, they didn't ply the Atlantic during hurricane season. They were unconcerned about African slaves, but never dumb sailors.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 12, 2018, 11:20:22 AM
Offensive as slavery was and how little the ship captains cared for their safety, they didn't ply the Atlantic during hurricane season. They were unconcerned about African slaves, but never dumb sailors.
Where did I say they did? Good read. (https://www.amazon.com/SLAVE-TRADE-STORY-ATLANTIC-1440-1870/dp/0684835657)
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 12, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Where did I say they did? Good read. (https://www.amazon.com/SLAVE-TRADE-STORY-ATLANTIC-1440-1870/dp/0684835657)
Hurricane season made me think of that.
I heard the Naval Base (in Norfolk, Virginia??) has sent the fleet to sea to avoid the storm. Some civilian sailors may have done the same.
Quote from: SGOS on September 12, 2018, 12:21:51 PM
I heard the Naval Base (in Norfolk, Virginia??) has sent the fleet to sea to avoid the storm. Some civilian sailors may have done the same.
Good idea. In 1968, a hurricane went up the Chesapeake Bay and we (and many others) lost our boats. We were told they bobbed like fishing bobbers on the anchors until the rising waters filled them up. It was a sad day.
Quote from: SGOS on September 12, 2018, 12:21:51 PM
I heard the Naval Base (in Norfolk, Virginia??) has sent the fleet to sea to avoid the storm. Some civilian sailors may have done the same.
SOP. "Don't get caught off a lee shore when the 'canes come callin'."
Quote from: SGOS on September 12, 2018, 12:21:51 PM
I heard the Naval Base (in Norfolk, Virginia??) has sent the fleet to sea to avoid the storm. Some civilian sailors may have done the same.
True that. Anchors aweigh!
I'm glad we have Trump to tell us what we otherwise wouldn't have known - the hurricane is tremendously big and tremendously wet!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2018, 03:08:00 PM
I'm glad we have Trump to tell us what we otherwise wouldn't have known - the hurricane is tremendously big and tremendously wet!
Really!? Well my stars.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 12, 2018, 01:02:03 PM
SOP. "Don't get caught off a lee shore when the 'canes come callin'."
So true. I was canouing (how the heck do you spell canoing?) back from a primitive camping area in Canada once with an inept friend (I didn't know that beforehand) when a Summer squall popped up. and the waves suddenly went 2' high. I quartered the waves to the windward side. My friend never realized how close to dead we were.
And just imagine if I had drowned, you would have never known me!
Apparently we need money to lock people up more than we need it to help people in disasters:
Trump administration took nearly $10 million from FEMA's budget to support ICE, documents show (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/11/femas-budget-cut-10-million-support-ice-documents-show/1274723002/)
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
Apparently we need money to lock people up more than we need it to help people in disasters:
Trump administration took nearly $10 million from FEMA's budget to support ICE, documents show (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/11/femas-budget-cut-10-million-support-ice-documents-show/1274723002/)
"Yeah, but it wasn't from emergency funds, it was from admin funds." Okay, bullshit, that ten mill is going to hurt.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 12, 2018, 06:18:30 PM
"Yeah, but it wasn't from emergency funds, it was from admin funds." Okay, bullshit, that ten mill is going to hurt.
How will you feel when the Republicans reduce the Federal government until it can be strangled in the bath tub? Or should I say, former S Democrats? The South will rise again, so it can take revenge! And make the North pay to protect them from Global Warming too! Since even weather strings are political ... I think that this bad weather is all a plot of the ... dumdumdum ... Weather Underground!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVFgEBq0EKM
Also get a boat.
I met a lot of refugees today who evacuated because of the hurricane.
I hate them.
Loud, rude, obnoxious, etc. They choked the roads and swarmed all over the gas stations and fast food places.
I ate breakfast today at the usual place and a group of them were harassing the waitress, demanding to know where she "comes from" because of her accent (a little known country called None of Your Goddamn Business), slow and vague ordering, complaining about perfectly good food, and leaving a mess at the table.
I heard honking today. Honking! And not the "imminent accident" kind of honk or the light tap to let someone know the light has turned green. Oh no. This was the "Mr Important is stuck in traffic and feels really impatient today" kind of honk. The kind of honk that insults true southern character - which is both gentlemanly and courteous.
I feel the urge to embrace my inner conservative and to tell these assholes to go back where they came from. I resist only because that would make me more like them.
I have read that the hurricane is Trump’s fault.
I am surprised. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/12/hurricane-florence-washington-post-declares-trump-is-complicit-for-dangerous-storm.html)
Well, at least it is not god’s punishment. For voting Trump.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2018, 03:08:00 PM
I'm glad we have Trump to tell us what we otherwise wouldn't have known - the hurricane is tremendously big and tremendously wet!
Oh, it's yuge! Real yuge! Like the size of my house, at least! I bet it's carrying at least twenty gallons of water too.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 13, 2018, 01:05:44 AM
I met a lot of refugees today who evacuated because of the hurricane.
I hate them.
Loud, rude, obnoxious, etc. They choked the roads and swarmed all over the gas stations and fast food places.
I ate breakfast today at the usual place and a group of them were harassing the waitress, demanding to know where she "comes from" because of her accent (a little known country called None of Your Goddamn Business), slow and vague ordering, complaining about perfectly good food, and leaving a mess at the table.
I heard honking today. Honking! And not the "imminent accident" kind of honk or the light tap to let someone know the light has turned green. Oh no. This was the "Mr Important is stuck in traffic and feels really impatient today" kind of honk. The kind of honk that insults true southern character - which is both gentlemanly and courteous.
I feel the urge to embrace my inner conservative and to tell these assholes to go back where they came from. I resist only because that would make me more like them.
Now you know how the British feel ;-)
Quote from: pr126 on September 13, 2018, 01:56:07 AM
I have read that the hurricane is Trump’s fault.
I am surprised. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/12/hurricane-florence-washington-post-declares-trump-is-complicit-for-dangerous-storm.html)
Well, at least it is not god’s punishment. For voting Trump.
Bezos is our future "God emperor of Dune".
Quote from: Baruch on September 13, 2018, 03:33:59 AM
Now you know how the British feel ;-)
And the frence, and Most Germans who are still proud of their heritage
It looks like ICE is getting another $29 million - this time from the Coast Guard! What's going on here? Is America about to start locking up everyone who doesn't have the correct papers!?
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/12/maddow-coast-guard-trump-hurricane.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/dhs-transferred-169-million-other-programs-ice-migrant-detention-n909016
QuoteThe Department of Homeland Security transferred $169 million from other agencies to Immigration and Customs Enforcement for the detention and removal of migrants this year, according to a document sent to Congress by DHS.
Many of the transfers came from key national security programs, including $1.8 million from the Domestic Nuclear Detection Office, $9.8 million from FEMA, $29 million from the U.S. Coast Guard and more than $34 million from several TSA programs. DHS also transferred $33 million from other ICE programs to pay for detention and removal, making the total amount of money transferred $202 million.
"Zee paperz - ve must haff zee paperz!"
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 13, 2018, 01:05:44 AM
I met a lot of refugees today who evacuated because of the hurricane.
I hate them.
Loud, rude, obnoxious, etc. They choked the roads and swarmed all over the gas stations and fast food places.
I ate breakfast today at the usual place and a group of them were harassing the waitress, demanding to know where she "comes from" because of her accent (a little known country called None of Your Goddamn Business), slow and vague ordering, complaining about perfectly good food, and leaving a mess at the table.
I heard honking today. Honking! And not the "imminent accident" kind of honk or the light tap to let someone know the light has turned green. Oh no. This was the "Mr Important is stuck in traffic and feels really impatient today" kind of honk. The kind of honk that insults true southern character - which is both gentlemanly and courteous.
I feel the urge to embrace my inner conservative and to tell these assholes to go back where they came from. I resist only because that would make me more like them.
Lucky you. That's everyday for me here in North Mexico.
I like Hispanics more than Anglos. Wonder why.
I would like to clarify my earlier statement. There is a subtle difference between hating someone for what they're doing and hating someone for what they are. It's the difference between hating someone for being a POS and hating someone because you're a POS.
The storm has come. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/us/hurricane-florence-south-east-coast-wxc/index.html)
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/835cf2c0699402d5718fe1ea69643a7b/tumblr_inline_p1si9g0dE21rpcnpz_500.gif)
"Orville, Wilbur! We're getting sixty mph winds across the wings. Should I release?"
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 13, 2018, 10:32:13 PM
I would like to clarify my earlier statement. There is a subtle difference between hating someone for what they're doing and hating someone for what they are. It's the difference between hating someone for being a POS and hating someone because you're a POS.
I was pretty sure that's what you meant, but I could see how some might make it or twist into something different.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 13, 2018, 10:32:13 PM
I would like to clarify my earlier statement. There is a subtle difference between hating someone for what they're doing and hating someone for what they are. It's the difference between hating someone for being a POS and hating someone because you're a POS.
No difference, we are all POS.
At 13:20 DeFranco talks about Hurricane Florence and how North Carolina's state government is preparing for future rising sea levels by ignoring the problem.
https://youtu.be/jE9S5Psybyw?t=13m22s
What I expected:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-rMX3z6jVE/VGx4vec_mnI/AAAAAAABEEg/D_DthYdxNOQ/s1600/tumblr_n3s8zexc4i1tvbqdro1_500.gif)
What I got:
(https://i.imgur.com/56T2pfP.gif)
Kinda disappointed, tbh.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on September 14, 2018, 10:17:53 AM
At 13:20 DeFranco talks about Hurricane Florence and how North Carolina's state government is preparing for future rising sea levels by ignoring the problem.
https://youtu.be/jE9S5Psybyw?t=13m22s
We can kill all the civilian car owners, that will reduce the CO2.
Actually, as in Texas as well, rising sea levels are public subsidy of beach houses of the wealthy, and shoring up oil refineries. Welfare for the well off.
As much as I feel sorry for people who's houses are destroyed by hurricanes and other coastal storms, I am getting rather tired of participating in insurance policies that allow them to keep rebuilding in the same place over and over again.
Repetitive stupidity is not something I admire.
And beyond that, stop building close to rising shorelines people! I suggest a new rule. If you get an insurance settlement for a coastal-damaged property, the gummint takes the place and you move somewhere less stupid. Eventually, the shores will be free of idiots living there.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 12:15:05 AM
As much as I feel sorry for people who's houses are destroyed by hurricanes and other coastal storms, I am getting rather tired of participating in insurance policies that allow them to keep rebuilding in the same place over and over again.
Repetitive stupidity is not something I admire.
And beyond that, stop building close to rising shorelines people! I suggest a new rule. If you get an insurance settlement for a coastal-damaged property, the gummint takes the place and you move somewhere less stupid. Eventually, the shores will be free of idiots living there.
So...depopulate the outer banks? (even if we did, plenty of people would still live in the floodplains - areas highly susceptible to flooding)
And if we apply this argument consistently, we'd also depopulate California (earthquakes, wildfires), much of the 'heartland' (tornadoes), as well as Alaska and most of the Northeast (blizzards). That leaves, what exactly?
(https://i.imgur.com/dUunlov.gif)
1) We don't need reporters on the scene for natural disasters. We have never needed reporters on the scene for natural disasters.
2) I've seen better acting from Star Trek extras.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 15, 2018, 12:30:36 AM
So...depopulate the outer banks? (even if we did, plenty of people would still live in the floodplains - areas highly susceptible to flooding)
And if we apply this argument consistently, we'd also depopulate California (earthquakes, wildfires), much of the 'heartland' (tornadoes), as well as Alaska and most of the Northeast (blizzards). That leaves, what exactly?
Depopulating the coastal flood regions would be a first rational step. And I might well agree to stop supporting idiots who live on the slopes of volcanoes. Some natural disasters are more random and unpredictable though.
The "coastal flood regions" is a pretty sizable chunk of land stretching from Texas to Maryland. Even landlocked states get hit by hurricanes sometimes.
And for the most part, they do prepare. There's a reason coastal buildings are typically on stilts. They just don't/can't prepare of a storm of the century.
I look forward to some farflung future where our ability to influence the weather is so great that we regularly dissipate threatening hurricanes before they've gained enough strength to threaten us. Mild storms would still happen of course, just not the kind with 100+ mph winds.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 15, 2018, 01:07:54 AM
The "coastal flood regions" is a pretty sizable chunk of land stretching from Texas to Maryland. Even landlocked states get hit by hurricanes sometimes.
And for the most part, they do prepare. There's a reason coastal buildings are typically on stilts. They just don't/can't prepare of a storm of the century.
I look forward to some farflung future where our ability to influence the weather is so great that we regularly dissipate threatening hurricanes before they've gained enough strength to threaten us. Mild storms would still happen of course, just not the kind with 100+ mph winds.
Stilt-houses are temporary solutions at best. And "storm-of-the-centuries" are becoming decadely recently. Inland areas survive well, except for people building on riverbanks. What I want is for the government to stop guaranteeing rebuilding funds repetitively for places the get destroyed routinely.
Future weather control WOULD be nice, but I don't expect it soon.
I live in a very safe area, St. Louis. It's 358 ft above sea level and far from any coast. We have beautiful scenery, the city is surrounded by three large rivers, Meremac, Missouri, and Mississippi, so we have lots of boating. The summer breeze bring EF5s so we can make crazy-mad Youtubes ("found footage" is epic) and the New Madrid Fault is just waiting to test the safety of our tall buildings, saving us loads of money in "conventional" testing.
So yeah, them coastal types are just crazy, man.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 15, 2018, 06:00:23 AM
I live in a very safe area, St. Louis. It's 358 ft above sea level and far from any coast. We have beautiful scenery, the city is surrounded by three large rivers, Meremac, Missouri, and Mississippi, so we have lots of boating. The summer breeze bring EF5s so we can make crazy-mad Youtubes ("found footage" is epic) and the New Madrid Fault is just waiting to test the safety of our tall buildings, saving us loads of money in "conventional" testing.
So yeah, them coastal types are just crazy, man.
Beware New Madrid. It's just waiting to happen.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 01:26:53 AM
Stilt-houses are temporary solutions at best. And "storm-of-the-centuries" are becoming decadely recently. Inland areas survive well, except for people building on riverbanks. What I want is for the government to stop guaranteeing rebuilding funds repetitively for places the get destroyed routinely.
Future weather control WOULD be nice, but I don't expect it soon.
That is a practical suggestion. But the plutocracy owns the beaches, so they will get their crony capitalism.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 06:06:41 AM
Beware New Madrid. It's just waiting to happen.
" New forecasts estimate a 7 to 10 percent chance, in the next 50 years, of a repeat of a major earthquake like those that occurred in 1811â€"1812, which likely had magnitudes of between 7.6 and 8.0."
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 15, 2018, 06:28:04 AM
" New forecasts estimate a 7 to 10 percent chance, in the next 50 years, of a repeat of a major earthquake like those that occurred in 1811â€"1812, which likely had magnitudes of between 7.6 and 8.0."
And is that 7-10 percent more each 50 years after or does it increase by magnitudes of likeliness? We could be getting into human lifetimes of the event.
Personally, The Yellowstone Supervolcano is higher on my list of possible bad natural events, though. It's overdue.
QuoteNew forecasts estimate a 7 to 10 percent chance, in the next 50 years...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 07:11:41 AM
I think you missed your entering your actual post... ;)
I can see it. It's the first part of what I posted previously. Answered your question before you asked it.
So where is the eye right now? I've been trying to see how far inland it is, but almost all coverage is still focused on the coast, and weather underground quit posting maps of the predicted path yesterday. Obviously, hurricanes that move inland and lose their force don't have the same media appeal as the coasts where houses a wiped away, and people drown. Hydra has been the only source of anything inland I've seen this morning.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 15, 2018, 07:18:20 AM
I can see it. It's the first part of what I posted previously. Answered your question before you asked it.
I'm not seeing it. Some screen glitch, I assume. Could you repeat it?
BTW, to others, Am I the only one not seeing his post?
I read one article that implied this might be a 1000 year flood. 100 year floods are commonly reported, but 1000 year flood is not a term I'm familiar with, and such would be speculative since we don't have records from a thousand years ago.
Quote from: SGOS on September 15, 2018, 07:30:50 AM
So where is the eye right now? I've been trying to see how far inland it is, but almost all coverage is still focused on the coast, and weather underground quit posting maps of the predicted path yesterday. Obviously, hurricanes that move inland and lose their force don't have the same media appeal as the coasts where houses a wiped away, and people drown. Hydra has been the only source of anything inland I've seen this morning.
It appears to be above Georgetown County SC right now.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 07:32:29 AM
I'm not seeing it. Some screen glitch, I assume. Could you repeat it?
BTW, to others, Am I the only one not seeing his post?
New forecasts estimate a 7 to 10 percent chance, in the next 50 years...
That means that there's a 7-10% chance for each of the next fifty years.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 07:38:40 AM
It appears to be above Georgetown County SC right now.
Thanks
Quote from: SGOS on September 15, 2018, 07:37:18 AM
I read one article that implied this might be a 1000 year flood. 100 year floods are commonly reported, but 1000 year flood is not a term I'm familiar with, and such would be speculative since we don't have records from a thousand years ago.
Yes, we do. Alluvial deposits with plant matter in them can be dated. If a flood deposit stops well away from the water course it would follow that the event was "epic". I've read of deposits from floods there were space ~700 years apart. Scientists use "1000 year flood" to indicate a truly catastrophic flood. flood,
Quote from: SGOS on September 15, 2018, 07:42:28 AM
Thanks
Best track site I can find...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/12/hurricane-florences-path-track-storm-here.html
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 07:46:23 AM
Best track site I can find...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/12/hurricane-florences-path-track-storm-here.html
Thanks again. That's what I was looking for.
Quote from: SGOS on September 15, 2018, 08:18:45 AM
Thanks again. That's what I was looking for.
Glad to help. Are you in the path? Or friends/family? I'm in southern MD. Looks like it will hook around us thankfully. We have already had so much rain in August, I think I could have grown rice in the lawn. The mushrooms and slugs are drowning! I have frogs living in the grass!
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 08:42:14 AM
Glad to help. Are you in the path? Or friends/family? I'm in southern MD. Looks like it will hook around us thankfully. We have already had so much rain in August, I think I could have grown rice in the lawn. The mushrooms and slugs are drowning! I have frogs living in the grass!
The path looks like it will be 150 miles west of me on Monday. It will then swing to the northeast. The result would be that I will be 150 miles from the center as it circles around me from Sunday night to perhaps Tuesday or beyond. I expect to get mostly a lot of rain, but I'm well above flood danger on a hogback. My driveway could be damaged as it crosses an intermittent wash at the bottom of the hill. This happened during record rains two or three years ago, even though there is a small culvert under the drive. Road closures and power are my biggest concern. My bathtub is full, and I have a 20 gallon tub of potable water on my porch. It's rained about a quarter of an inch in the last 15 hours, but I'm right in line with one of those red squall lines heading my way, which should be here tonight, bringing much heavier rains.
My interest in following the storm is mostly just interest. I've had numerous power outages in the 8 years I've been here, one lasting a week. I manage these fine. Well, not fine, but it's what I expected and I don't complain. I like living in rural seclusion.
Quote from: SGOS on September 15, 2018, 09:08:18 AM
The path looks like it will be 150 miles west of me on Monday. It will then swing to the northeast. The result would be that I will be 150 miles from the center as it circles around me from Sunday night to perhaps Tuesday or beyond. I expect to get mostly a lot of rain, but I'm well above flood danger on a hogback. My driveway could be damaged as it crosses an intermittent wash at the bottom of the hill. This happened during record rains two or three years ago, even though there is a small culvert under the drive. Road closures and power are my biggest concern. My bathtub is full, and I have a 20 gallon tub of potable water on my porch. It's rained about a quarter of an inch in the last 15 hours, but I'm right in line with one of those red squall lines heading my way, which should be here tonight, bringing much heavier rains.
My interest in following the storm is mostly just interest. I've had numerous power outages in the 8 years I've been here, one lasting a week. I manage these fine. Well, not fine, but it's what I expected and I don't complain. I like living in rural seclusion.
I could manage the rain well enough. One nice thing about a slightly sloped yard is the at rainfall keeps moving further. And we have buried electrical cables here. But the house is 100% electric, so when it DOES go off, I'm out of luck. Oh I can cook on the charcoal grill on the deck, but I'm a wimp when I lose A/C. And I once spent 6 weeks in a sleeping bag in Summer as a teen.
Come to think of it, if I lost power for days, I think I WOULD set up my tent and a campfire ring. At least outside the air moves. A powerless house is dead and stuffy.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
I could manage the rain well enough. One nice thing about a slightly sloped yard is the at rainfall keeps moving further. And we have buried electrical cables here. But the house is 100% electric, so when it DOES go off, I'm out of luck. Oh I can cook on the charcoal grill on the deck, but I'm a wimp when I lose A/C. And I once spent 6 weeks in a sleeping bag in Summer as a teen.
Come to think of it, if I lost power for days, I think I WOULD set up my tent and a campfire ring. At least outside the air moves. A powerless house is dead and stuffy.
I slept on the porch during that week long outage. It was fun. I have a tent, but the porch is even more airy. I had to throw out some of the stuff in the freezer.
Quote from: SGOS on September 15, 2018, 09:43:09 AM
I slept on the porch during that week long outage. It was fun. I have a tent, but the porch is even more airy. I had to throw out some of the stuff in the freezer.
Tents are good when it rains and you have no porch. Though a garage might be better.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 15, 2018, 07:44:47 AM
Yes, we do. Alluvial deposits with plant matter in them can be dated. If a flood deposit stops well away from the water course it would follow that the event was "epic". I've read of deposits from floods there were space ~700 years apart. Scientists use "1000 year flood" to indicate a truly catastrophic flood. flood,
Yeah, I misspoke. I already knew that about geological evidence used to determine floodplains, even to draw maps for 100 year floodplains. I had just never heard of 1000 year floods, but I can see why geologists would take an interest in them.
I used to do sanitary reviews for a surveying outfit. The State of Montana would not allow subdivisions in 100 year floodplains, and I always wondered about catastrophic floods. I guess they had to draw the line somewhere. The State had official 100 year floodplain maps, some drawn from surveys based on a point of geological evidence. I would have to consult flood plain maps as part of the job. Usually, I could almost always tell a floodplain without the maps, but the maps were the final authority, and I would have to nix a project in an official floodplain. Developers could contest a floodplain, but it required more than anyone I ever met to do more than what they were willing to take on, one being an official survey of the area in question. I suppose they could contest a geological point of reference too, but I never ran into that situation.
One local guy owned a pasture of 150 acres or so that was in an official floodplain that he wanted to subdivide. I never dealt with this project, but he used to show up at county planning board meetings, and protest not being able to subdivide. Of course, he didn't want to spend the money to officially contest the floodplain. He just wanted the county planners to tell him it was OK, which always fell on deaf ears, because the county didn't have that authority. His complaint was that the land had never flooded while he lived there, which of course was like 40 years, but my understanding is that 40 years doesn't exactly mean never. He was always quite a hot head, and not very convincing. I'd seen his property next to the road. It looked like a floodplain, but I would confess that I wouldn't attest to that one way or another. Not that I had any say in the matter to begin with. Out of pure curiosity, I consulted the floodplain maps I had in my possession, and he was in an official floodplain.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
Tents are good when it rains and you have no porch. Though a garage might be better.
I have that too, but I never thought about it.
I live across the street from a wetland. The 2 yards across the street from me were always "Forbidden to Build" But one day, a house started to arise (and a McMansion of all things). The guy bought the land for nothing, and snuck in in a zoning easement with a friend on the County Board. He did it by promising to protect 6 acres of wetlands behind (which means doing nothing, just as it was before).
He added 6' of landfill on the spot of the house to clear regulations. I hope the house sinks...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 11:06:27 AM
I live across the street from a wetland. The 2 yards across the street from me were always "Forbidden to Build" But one day, a house started to arise (and a McMansion of all things). The guy bought the land for nothing, and snuck in in a zoning easement with a friend on the County Board. He did it by promising to protect 6 acres of wetlands behind (which means doing nothing, just as it was before).
He added 6' of landfill on the spot of the house to clear regulations. I hope the house sinks...
Yeah, I suspect that sort of thing goes on all the time, at all levels of government.
Quote from: SGOS on September 15, 2018, 11:21:47 AM
Yeah, I suspect that sort of thing goes on all the time, at all levels of government.
Yeah, but I didn't see it coming. And I hate cozy manipulations like that. The owner is personally OK, but he cheated...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 11:29:38 AM
Yeah, but I didn't see it coming. And I hate cozy manipulations like that. The owner is personally OK, but he cheated...
Just like politicians/lobbyists/patrons. Been going on since Athens.
Meanwhile in Hong Kong, they are getting hit by a hurricane that looks like what we expected Florence to look like.
Video embedded of a building being slammed by the wind...
https://hk.news.appledaily.com/breaking/realtime/article/20180916/58687997
Quote from: Shiranu on September 16, 2018, 08:23:19 AM
Meanwhile in Hong Kong, they are getting hit by a hurricane that looks like what we expected Florence to look like.
Video embedded of a building being slammed by the wind...
https://hk.news.appledaily.com/breaking/realtime/article/20180916/58687997
While no specific hurricane, cyclone, or weather event can be directly attributed to climate change, the ongoing gradual increase is generally good evidence. The ocean level is rising not because there is more water, but because the warmer water expands. The warmer water increases the intensity of storms. Increasing heat in the atmosphere generates more fluctuation in weather patterns. It is not an accident that the hottest average temperatures have occurred this century.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2018, 12:56:49 AM
It is not an accident that the hottest average temperatures have occurred this century.
People have been waiting for evidence, but they can still claim that this is a natural short term fluctuation. Even scientists claim there are short term fluctuations in weather (which is not brilliant rocket science by the way). They are just pointing out that any individual high or low temperature records are not evidence of a shift (which is not rocket science either).
We don't have to wait until Miami or Manhattan Island sinks into the ocean for evidence, however. The physical properties of matter are enough to make predictions about climate.
Quote from: SGOS on September 19, 2018, 08:44:26 AM
People have been waiting for evidence, but they can still claim that this is a natural short term fluctuation. Even scientists claim there are short term fluctuations in weather (which is not brilliant rocket science by the way). They are just pointing out that any individual high or low temperature records are not evidence of a shift (which is not rocket science either).
We don't have to wait until Miami or Manhattan Island sinks into the ocean for evidence, however. The physical properties of matter are enough to make predictions about climate.
The fluctuations of the past were not caused by identifiable events today. I've heard it all before. "The sun can fluctuate". Yes but it hasn't lately. "The Earth can change temperatures by changing orbit slightly". Yes but that isn't happening lately. Etc.
It's good to be old.
Remember the reporter live at the scene in Wilmington, exaggeratedly bracing against the wind while two people casually stroll behind him?
Well, the Weather Channel has the temerity to defend this practice (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/weather-channel-defends-reporter-accused-of-exaggerating-hurricane-winds/ar-BBNneO1), saying that "the grass was slippery" and that the reporter was exhausted. Apparently not too exhausted for a little play acting.
If they had fessed up to it, I could've cut them some slack. But doubling down on the bullshit really hurts their credibility in my eyes. It'll definitely be something I keep in mind the next time I see breaking news from them.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 19, 2018, 11:08:52 AM
Remember the reporter live at the scene in Wilmington, exaggeratedly bracing against the wind while two people casually stroll behind him?
Well, the Weather Channel has the temerity to defend this practice (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/weather-channel-defends-reporter-accused-of-exaggerating-hurricane-winds/ar-BBNneO1), saying that "the grass was slippery" and that the reporter was exhausted. Apparently not too exhausted for a little play acting.
If they had fessed up to it, I could've cut them some slack. But doubling down on the bullshit really hurts their credibility in my eyes. It'll definitely be something I keep in mind the next time I see breaking news from them.
The sad problem about Trump screaming "Fake News" every chance he gets is that sometimes there IS fake news.
There has always been fake news. More so since Fux News came on the scene, but the concept isn't new.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2018, 11:20:22 AMThe sad problem about Trump screaming "Fake News" every chance he gets is that sometimes there IS fake news.
Plus, he's a YUGE contributor to that problem while simultaneously seeming to oppose it. I feel sorry for his supporters who don't yet realize that.
I dunno why news organizations try these stunts and then try to save face by defending it. It kills trust and then people are more willing to swallow baloney simply because it's an "alternative" to organizations they know for a fact haven't been completely honest with them.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 19, 2018, 11:32:06 AM
Plus, he's a YUGE contributor to that problem while simultaneously seeming to oppose it. I feel sorry for his supporters who don't yet realize that.
I dunno why news organizations try these stunts and then try to save face by defending it. It kills trust and then people are more willing to swallow baloney simply because it's an "alternative" to organizations they know for a fact haven't been completely honest with them.
To both of you, it is 2 things. The first is the Big Lie. Say something often enough, with authority, and people will believe. If Trump said often enough that Columbus landed in SA in 1592 enough times, a lot of people would believe that. Second is diminishing legitimate news sources. The Trump campaign reported his inauguration was attended by millions, but media said it was just tens of thousands. Well, they must have been lying.
He does both daily.
They've been developing algorithms that can spot fake news, so hopefully things will soon improve:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/fake-news-algorithm/
QuoteMihalcea and her team developed a linguistic algorithm that analyzes written speech and looks for cues such as grammatical structure, punctuation, and complexity, which may offer telltale signs of fake news.
QuoteSuch a system may hep social media platforms, search engines, and news aggregators filter out articles meant to misinform.
¯\_(ãƒ,,)_/¯
Just something I found funny.
In all seriousness, I wish them the best. Though without fact-checking, it's pretty incomplete. And it can't spot exaggerations like our "slippery grass" reporter nor pick up on selection basis (cherry-picking stories to hit the front page and burying equally or more important stories) or false balance (presenting opposing claims as equally valid despite a vast difference in factual support). So, very limited. I guess something is better than nothing, though.
Yeah, we've got a way to go, but hopefully we're at least heading in the right direction.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 01:55:50 PM
Yeah, we've got a way to go, but hopefully we're at least heading in the right direction.
Every voting system has flaws. I heard today that the biggest reason college students didn't vote (because they needed absentee ballots - because there were no voting booths on campus) was...
They didn't know how to get stamps!
I fin
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
They didn't know how to get stamps!
I find that hard to believe - but not very...
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 03:12:57 PM
I finI find that hard to believe - but not very...
Think about it. No post office on campus and at home the mail "just showed up".
It even makes sense from when I was in college in the late 60s. The mail addressed to residential students all went to a central University center that sorted it by dorm. At the dorm front desk, students paid by the hour sorted it into mailboxes by room number. To send a letter across campus, we only needed to know the dorm and room. Or just name.
When I left college, I didn't even know you could give post office a forwarding address. Or buy stamps. How much has changed since then? There is even less mail to experience.
Purdue had a post office on campus, and stamp machines in the Commons.
:sniff:
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 19, 2018, 03:44:08 PM
Purdue had a post office on campus, and stamp machines in the Commons.
:sniff:
Darn those fancy private colleges... "sniff"...
;)
Quote from: TrumpThis is a tough hurricane, one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water.
What the hell does that even mean!?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 06:34:12 PM
What the hell does that even mean!?
It means there's more and deeper groundwater than ever before. Extensive flooding for people who don't meteorology. Water on that scale is measured in acre/ft. One acre of water one foot deep.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 19, 2018, 01:51:33 PM
¯\_(ãƒ,,)_/¯
Just something I found funny.
In all seriousness, I wish them the best. Though without fact-checking, it's pretty incomplete. And it can't spot exaggerations like our "slippery grass" reporter nor pick up on selection basis (cherry-picking stories to hit the front page and burying equally or more important stories) or false balance (presenting opposing claims as equally valid despite a vast difference in factual support). So, very limited. I guess something is better than nothing, though.
With AI, only the programmers can be blamed, not the bureaucrats.
Quote from: SGOS on September 19, 2018, 08:44:26 AM
People have been waiting for evidence, but they can still claim that this is a natural short term fluctuation. Even scientists claim there are short term fluctuations in weather (which is not brilliant rocket science by the way). They are just pointing out that any individual high or low temperature records are not evidence of a shift (which is not rocket science either).
We don't have to wait until Miami or Manhattan Island sinks into the ocean for evidence, however. The physical properties of matter are enough to make predictions about climate.
Yes, move inland, young man - 21st century Horace Greeley.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2018, 11:20:22 AM
The sad problem about Trump screaming "Fake News" every chance he gets is that sometimes there IS fake news.
All news is spin doctoring. Even if the facts are correct, the spin is the big lie.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
To both of you, it is 2 things. The first is the Big Lie. Say something often enough, with authority, and people will believe. If Trump said often enough that Columbus landed in SA in 1592 enough times, a lot of people would believe that. Second is diminishing legitimate news sources. The Trump campaign reported his inauguration was attended by millions, but media said it was just tens of thousands. Well, they must have been lying.
He does both daily.
They faked the photo ... they took a picture early before most people got into place. Ban all news. Only Pravda (DNC) will be allowed by Big Sister (Hillary).
Pat Robertson stopped a hurricane dead in its tracks with prayer! (well sorta, it still killed people)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cflXQRiAqE
Can I get an AMEN? :angel:
It mostly missed me in central NC, but a lot of cities further south took a pounding. I guess they didn't pray hard enough. I mean, that's the only logical explanation. What, you think it's all air pressure this and gulf stream that? How reductionist! I've never heard such nonsense.
I hear the new problem, is the heavy rain has caused the pig farm waste ponds to overflow. Suweeee!!
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 20, 2018, 12:23:44 AM
Pat Robertson stopped a hurricane dead in its tracks with prayer!
What a self aggrandizing prick.
Quote from: SGOS on September 20, 2018, 08:49:27 AM
What a self aggrandizing prick.
You mean that "blood diamonds" aren't enough?
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 20, 2018, 12:23:44 AM
Pat Robertson stopped a hurricane dead in its tracks with prayer! (well sorta, it still killed people)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cflXQRiAqE
Can I get an AMEN? :angel:
It mostly missed me in central NC, but a lot of cities further south took a pounding. I guess they didn't pray hard enough. I mean, that's the only logical explanation. What, you think it's all air pressure this and gulf stream that? How reductionist! I've never heard such nonsense.
Interesting coincidence, I was just over in the Superzeroes thread and mentioned how Christians think of prayer as a superpower. That sure seems to be how old Pat thinks of it!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
They've been developing algorithms that can spot fake news, so hopefully things will soon improve:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/fake-news-algorithm/
Who evaluates the algorithms? They are secret.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 06:34:12 PM
What the hell does that even mean!?
Many hurricanes blow through an area, drop 6" of rain, cause damage from wind, cause damage from storm surges, and pass over quickly. Florence just sat and pulled water from the ocean and kept dropping it in the same general area. Then hit the Appalachians and (with the rising land) dropped the rest of what it had to flow downhill to the very areas that had been over-soaked to begin with.
THAT is what was bad about this one.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2018, 01:08:29 AM
Who evaluates the algorithms? They are secret.
CIA and FBI. You will do what they say, or else!