Discontinued treatment of cancer yesterday, gone today.
That was fast.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on August 26, 2018, 02:37:30 AM
Discontinued treatment of cancer yesterday, gone today.
That was fast.
May save us from a war with Iran ... or not. Certain people, not just him, want that war real bad ;-(
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on August 26, 2018, 02:37:30 AM
Discontinued treatment of cancer yesterday, gone today.
That was fast.
Survived the Hanoi Hilton. Big C brought him down after a full life. I doubt he'd complain.
I always respected him.
Didn't often agree with him, but I had to respect him.
One wonders if the GOP might have avoided the sub-basement of the sewer if he'd gotten the nomination over Dubya in '00.
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too soon?
Doesn't matter I didn't even know the guy.
lets use humor as part of the grieving process.
Don't want to get all teary-eyed over his passing. I guess you could call him a hero--he could have been more of one if he could keep from getting shot down. Anyway, his politics always sucked. I don't really care about his personal life--except he was not exactly nice to his first wife. She was sick and he was fucking around with several women. Yeah, this is a moral guy. What I am sad about it that he seems to be such a moral person and a bastion of normalcy compared to all other Repubs. Don't morn his passing.
I remember hearing that he was generally respected by other politicians, and years ago we heard his name a lot, but it seems like he was dropping out of sight before he became a presidential candidate. By then his party had changed. It seemed like a last nod to an old warrior, but sadly, he was over powered in his bid for the presidency by his own running mate. A younger and more modern voice for the new Republican party and with a flair for the bizarre, and whose greatest contribution to America was launching Tina Fey into international stardom.
Here's how I remember McCain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk
A kind, reasonable voice in a sea of crazies. That didn't win him much support in the GOP (quite the opposite, in fact), but it won him a great deal of respect outside the GOP. It's a shame to see him go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2MOYerg7s
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 26, 2018, 05:49:25 AM
Survived the Hanoi Hilton. Big C brought him down after a full life. I doubt he'd complain.
But did he serve honorably? Certainly his later public career is an embarrassment. Keating Five.
looking on a gay news site about this, and seems others saying the same thing there, the only reason the left loved him was because he opposed trump, while ignoring all the other shit he's done over the years.
Guess that old trump derangement syndrome thing effects peoples judgement of character with others and their ability to look into things. Just saying 'I oppose trump' is apparently enough.
(https://i.imgur.com/tlQfmNV.jpg)
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Shame. Amongst republicans, he was one of the few that was both a semi-respectable human being and also showed some class and respect towards his opponents.
He is what the republican party desperately needs to look at and try to emulate instead of getting further and further partisan and beholden to oligarchs as they are doing.
Quote from: Munch on August 26, 2018, 09:16:53 PM
looking on a gay news site about this, and seems others saying the same thing there, the only reason the left loved him was because he opposed trump, while ignoring all the other shit he's done over the years.
Actually, he was decently well liked across the political spectrum well before Trump ever arrived on the scene. Since around 2000, when he ran for President.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/105073/mccains-67-favorable-rating-highest-eight-years.aspx
But hey if you want to believe that it's all because of "Trump derangement syndrome" (the snowflakiest term I've ever heard for being triggered that Trump is being criticized) that's up to you.
John McCain was not of my political party. John McCain was not of my politics.
But he was a unique person on the political landscape. I admired him even when I disagreed with him (which was often). But it wasn't "always" either. And that "always" is the thing we have lost these days. The ability to sometimes agree with people you normally disagree with is essential to democracy...
A Soviet Chess Grandmaster (I forgot who) once said "I sometimes forget my opponents have good ideas too". That applies to politics too. John McCain sometimes had "good ideas too". He was a very good Senator, who spoke honestly and directly. That is a quality we will all miss.
We will never know whether he would have been a good President. He might have been a great one or a terrible one. History suggests mavericks can go either way. I've tried to think of when he would have been a better President than the person who won. It's difficult. He probably would have been the right person to campaign against Gore in 2000. I would have been twisted in knots about that choice, and either would have been better than Bush.
In 2008, I was torn between McCain and Obama, but decided that Obama was likely better at organizing the office and managing the affairs of government. It wasn't easy. My heart was for McCain, my mind was for Obama.
The deciding factor was that McCain would bring the Republican party into power and I thought the Democrats would do better overall. But it was very close. Both men seemed honest, honorable, and thoughtful. And Palin mattered. It signaled to me he was a good Senator who maybe didn't have a great talent for choosing qualified people to work around him. There is something to be said for getting good subordinate executive managers. Just look at Trump for examples of that.
If it was "just the President", I would have gone with McCain, hoped that Obama would run again in 2016 with more Senate experience, and won then.
But that is all water over the dam now. We have lost a person who was so very honorable, brave, and willing to think for himself. Yes, "honorable, brave, and willing to think" does not necessarily mean a great executive, but it is probably better than the opposite. We could sure use more people like him than fewer.
Farewell John McCain...
Obama, Bush Asked To Speak At John McCain’s Funeral; Trump Told To Stay Away
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-bush-john-mccain-eulogies_us_5b838678e4b034858601cf7e
QuotePresident Donald Trump will not be invited to McCain’s funeral, at the request of the late senator. The White House was told of McCain’s wishes by family members before his death.
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2018, 07:25:35 AM
Obama, Bush Asked To Speak At John McCain’s Funeral; Trump Told To Stay Away
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-bush-john-mccain-eulogies_us_5b838678e4b034858601cf7e
Sounds good. I wouldn't have Trump there either. He didn't respect McCain. Bush is not quite McCain's type either, but he will be polite and respectful. He understands civility and ceremony. I'm curious about whether the Clintons will be there. I hope they are.
I understand that McCain will be only the 13th Senator to receive an official State funeral. That seems right. He deserves it.
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2018, 07:25:35 AM
Obama, Bush Asked To Speak At John McCain’s Funeral; Trump Told To Stay Away
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-bush-john-mccain-eulogies_us_5b838678e4b034858601cf7e
Huffington Post ... that is some Alt-Right source, right? I would only go to McCain's funeral to take a piss on him (sarc).
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 07:41:35 AM
Sounds good. I wouldn't have Trump there either. He didn't respect McCain. Bush is not quite McCain's type either, but he will be polite and respectful. He understands civility and ceremony. I'm curious about whether the Clintons will be there. I hope they are.
I understand that McCain will be only the 13th Senator to receive an official State funeral. That seems right. He deserves it.
I hope all former Presidents are there, so Putin can waste them (sarc).
Quote from: Baruch on August 27, 2018, 07:45:36 AM
Huffington Post ... that is some Alt-Right source, right?
What's your point?
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2018, 08:11:06 AM
What's your point?
Baruch never has a "point". He just likes to make jokes and create chaos. A true troll.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 08:13:23 AM
.......... and create chaos.
A true Trumpian in that respect. That's his point....................
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 27, 2018, 09:00:18 AM
A true Trumpian in that respect. That's his point....................
Well, maybe Trump just needs a spiritual leader accustomed to chaos. Baruch would fit right in.
If I remember the movie Contact correctly, I think the president had a spiritual advisor played by Rob Lowe. I thought this was funny, because I didn't think there was such a secretary to the president in real life. In addition, he wasn't an advisor. He was just at lobbyist in the White House trying to control everything. I loved all the religious hub bub that Sagan created as a response to alien contact. It ran the full spectrum from seizing the opportunity to control the government to the celebration of the coming apocalypse. Few people were thinking, many were trying to gain an edge, and others were just finding reasons to be get weird. It was chaos, with religion sticking it's nose into things people didn't understand.
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2018, 09:41:34 AM
If I remember the movie Contact correctly, I think the president had a spiritual advisor played by Rob Lowe. I thought this was funny, because I didn't think there was such a secretary to the president in real life. In addition, he wasn't an advisor. He was just at lobbyist in the White House trying to control everything. I loved all the religious hub bub that Sagan created as a response to alien contact. It ran the full spectrum from seizing the opportunity to control the government to the celebration of the coming apocalypse. Few people were thinking, many were trying to gain an edge, and others were just finding reasons to be get weird. It was chaos, with religion sticking it's nose into things people didn't understand.
Yes, 'Contact' had more levels of meaning than most people saw. Sagan seldom allowed superstition to intrude on reality. Even considering it was a sci-fi.
At best, McCain was a frienemy --not a real friend to my way of thinking. Did not like his take on almost anything.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 27, 2018, 11:28:55 AM
At best, McCain was a frienemy --not a real friend to my way of thinking. Did not like his take on almost anything.
I suppose it comes down to "well, he sure wasn't Trump".
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2018, 08:11:06 AM
What's your point?
Irony .. or are you just another communist? (rhetorical question).
So quote Stormfront on Judaism sometime too.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 09:11:42 AM
Well, maybe Trump just needs a spiritual leader accustomed to chaos. Baruch would fit right in.
Well ... the first thing I would tell Trump is ... STFU ... and the second thing would be "act like a gentleman already". So I would last even shorter time than his other appointees ;-)
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2018, 09:41:34 AM
If I remember the movie Contact correctly, I think the president had a spiritual advisor played by Rob Lowe. I thought this was funny, because I didn't think there was such a secretary to the president in real life. In addition, he wasn't an advisor. He was just at lobbyist in the White House trying to control everything. I loved all the religious hub bub that Sagan created as a response to alien contact. It ran the full spectrum from seizing the opportunity to control the government to the celebration of the coming apocalypse. Few people were thinking, many were trying to gain an edge, and others were just finding reasons to be get weird. It was chaos, with religion sticking it's nose into things people didn't understand.
That was a 1980s thing ... culturally, and when it was written. A Satanic adviser would be more appropriate for any political leader.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 09:46:33 AM
Yes, 'Contact' had more levels of meaning than most people saw. Sagan seldom allowed superstition to intrude on reality. Even considering it was a sci-fi.
He was a typical Sophist from 5th century Athens. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
"If you have to get on FB to call out your liberal friends for expressing sympathy for a family in mourning, regardless of the political affiliation of the deceased - even when that man (the deceased) fought for what he believed to be right, then you've lost sight of your humanity. At that point, it doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative, because you're actually just an asshole.
"Let that sink in."
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 27, 2018, 11:28:55 AM
At best, McCain was a frienemy --not a real friend to my way of thinking. Did not like his take on almost anything.
No kidding. His VP pick alone...sheesh. He opposed raising the minimum wage, opposed tax credits for renewables, opposed net neutrality, etc.
But at least he wasn't pro-torture (which makes sense given his background), understood the threat of climate change, and didn't have a public freakout about transgender people in the military. That's something. Not a lot, but something.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 28, 2018, 07:14:46 PM
No kidding. His VP pick alone...sheesh. He opposed raising the minimum wage, opposed tax credits for renewables, opposed net neutrality, etc.
But at least he wasn't pro-torture (which makes sense given his background), understood the threat of climate change, and didn't have a public freakout about transgender people in the military. That's something. Not a lot, but something.
If all Senators were thoughtful and willing to cross party lines sometimes like Mc Cain, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today.
Sure, I disagreed with him usually; he was a conservative. But he wasn't a "damn-reality-conservative" like too many are now, "better Russian than Dem", or "circle the wagons around even our craziest member" party fanatic.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 08:13:23 AM
Baruch never has a "point". He just likes to make jokes and create chaos. A true troll.
Great is the power of ignore. Now if everybody who was tired of his shit...
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 02, 2018, 06:23:24 AM
Great is the power of ignore. Now if everybody who was tired of his shit...
Go chip paint on some ship, while hanging from the bosun's chair ;-) So which psychopathic profile are you ...
Too bad his vp was Sarah fucking Palin. That broad was crazy.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 03, 2018, 09:02:20 PM
Too bad his vp was Sarah fucking Palin. That broad was crazy.
Yes. Definitely a RINO plot. I could have voted for him in 2000 (but he was screwed by the Bush CIA machine). He was senile by 2008.
i don’t think it mattered who was the running mate to McCain. HRC didn’t get in either.
Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.
OK, the salesmanship (read propaganda) helped.
I hear that lots of dead people voted as well. Nothing wrong with that.
Dead people still have voting rights in the US. Voting by proxy.
“Undocumented Aliens†can vote too, but only if they vote Democrat.
Quote from: pr126 on September 04, 2018, 04:38:04 AM
i don’t think it mattered who was the running mate to McCain. HRC didn’t get in either.
Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.
OK, the salesmanship (read propaganda) helped.
I hear that lots of dead people voted as well. Nothing wrong with that.
Dead people still have voting rights in the US. Voting by proxy.
My sense is that Obama's popularity came from being relatively new to politics and mostly unknown. As a result he wasn't carrying the amount of baggage that burdened Hillary. Just being in politics earns you enemies. The longer you are in the game, the more enemies you accumulate.
After the Bush Administration's shenanigans in Iraq, the Republican Party had established itself as the war party, and Americans were war weary. Arguments can be made that both parties are the war parties, but Americans (or maybe humans in general) don't tend to think long term and tend to hold responsible whoever has been in control of the government in the last 2 weeks for whatever pisses them off, and Hillary had established herself as a supporter of the Iraq War. This may have been the most politically correct expedient in New York for two years after 9-11 when the terrorists had unleashed the most devastating carnage in America's most important city. Those "liberal" Northeasterners were pissed about it and perhaps even more hysterical than the rest of the country.
But Hillary, or even Joe Schmo down the street, would have won the presidency if Obama had not showed up just because the Republican brand name had faired so badly under Bush. Eight years later, and a couple of major miscalculations by Obama, the Democrats were no longer able to field just anyone and be guaranteed a win.
I don't believe a presidential candidate chooses his running mate. I may be wrong, but I suspect that's done in the back rooms of party headquarters. I don't think Sara Palin was McCain's choice to make. She was put there to appeal to the religious right, although there may be other reasons that don't make sense. Had McCain been handed a more level headed and respected running mate, I still don't think he could have beaten any Democratic candidate in that year. And even had the Republicans chosen a better presidential candidate, I don't think they could have won that year.
Quote from: pr126 on September 04, 2018, 04:38:04 AM
Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.
I hear that lots of dead people voted as well.
The voting dead is nothing new in politics, but I don't actually know how prevalent it is.
Quote from: pr126 on September 04, 2018, 04:38:04 AM
i don’t think it mattered who was the running mate to McCain. HRC didn’t get in either.
Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.
OK, the salesmanship (read propaganda) helped.
I hear that lots of dead people voted as well. Nothing wrong with that.
Dead people still have voting rights in the US. Voting by proxy.
“Undocumented Aliens†can vote too, but only if they vote Democrat.
Chicago makes a regular habit of dead people voting.
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/
Quote from: SGOS on September 04, 2018, 06:54:11 AM
The voting dead is nothing new in politics, but I don't actually know how prevalent it is.
The hard right has tried for years to prove voter fraud as a route to disenfranchisement for low-income and ethnic voters. They haven't had any significant discoveries.
Quote from: SGOS on September 04, 2018, 05:21:26 AM
I don't believe a presidential candidate chooses his running mate. I may be wrong, but I suspect that's done in the back rooms of party headquarters. I don't think Sara Palin was McCain's choice to make. She was put there to appeal to the religious right, although there may be other reasons that don't make sense. Had McCain been handed a more level headed and respected running mate, I still don't think he could have beaten any Democratic candidate in that year. And even had the Republicans chosen a better presidential candidate, I don't think they could have won that year.
Palin was more or less foisted upon McCain, who had wanted Joe Lieberman as his running mate, but the party powers that be demanded he shore up his right flank and stuck him with a wingnut. He later called picking her a mistake and a regret, and I'm sure you can imagine Caribou Barbie's reaction to that.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 04, 2018, 10:25:57 AM
The hard right has tried for years to prove voter fraud as a route to disenfranchisement for low-income and ethnic voters. They haven't had any significant discoveries.
!960 election, in Chicago ... any research on that? It has been done at times. Every election? Probably not. But then I am opposed to letting muppets vote.
Quote from: SGOS on September 04, 2018, 06:54:11 AM
The voting dead is nothing new in politics, but I don't actually know how prevalent it is.
It's not, it's just one more conspiracy idiots on the internet (and apparently in the white house) like to cling to.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 04, 2018, 01:12:25 PM
It's not, it's just one more conspiracy idiots on the internet (and apparently in the white house) like to cling to.
Human beings are totally honest and reliable ... and I have a bridge in NYC to sell you. Every thing is a conspiracy theory, right? However R-party calling the D-party crooked, is the pot calling the kettle, black.
Quote from: trdsf on September 04, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
Palin was more or less foisted upon McCain, who had wanted Joe Lieberman as his running mate, but the party powers that be demanded he shore up his right flank and stuck him with a wingnut. He later called picking her a mistake and a regret, and I'm sure you can imagine Caribou Barbie's reaction to that.
Yeah Sarah Palin was a real cun...uh...cunning linguist!
Quote from: Shiranu on September 04, 2018, 01:12:25 PM
It's not, it's just one more conspiracy idiots on the internet (and apparently in the white house) like to cling to.
You're right. Chicago, the presupposed "Gomorrah of political crime:"
QuoteIn fact, CBS’s Windy City affiliate last October compared local vote records with the Social Security Administration’s master death file. “In all,†the channel concluded, “the analysis showed 119 dead people have voted a total of 229 times in Chicago in the last decade.â€
And average of 23 dead votes per year is hardly a pandemic, although some other locations have a bigger problem. But it's enough to point at to create a false perception among the conspiracy crowd. And keep in mind, there is no data linking them to a political party. They could all be Republicans. OK, I don't want to be unfair. It's likely only half are Republicans.
QuoteAnd average of 23 dead votes per year is hardly a pandemic...
In their defense (bleh), that number is still just way too damn high. Swing the elections high? No. Influence them at all high? Nah. But too high non-the-less.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 04, 2018, 04:36:13 PM
In their defense (bleh), that number is still just way too damn high. Swing the elections high? No. Influence them at all high? Nah. But too high non-the-less.
Agreed.
Quote from: pr126 on September 04, 2018, 04:38:04 AMI hear that lots of dead people voted as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRTOorIs_bc
"Hearing things" is the right-wing version of "I just made up"
Quote from: SGOS on September 04, 2018, 04:20:40 PM
You're right. Chicago, the presupposed "Gomorrah of political crime:"
And average of 23 dead votes per year is hardly a pandemic, although some other locations have a bigger problem. But it's enough to point at to create a false perception among the conspiracy crowd. And keep in mind, there is no data linking them to a political party. They could all be Republicans. OK, I don't want to be unfair. It's likely only half are Republicans.
I have never seen a positive report regarding Chicago politics. And how many recent governors of Illinois are in prison? Thus it has been, since the days of Al Capone. Abraham Lincoln was a corrupt shill for the railroad interests.
We killed on million Vietnamese. Felt awkward for awhile. Then went ahead a killed a million Iraqis. Yes, Americans ... the good guys ;-( Given that genocide comparable to Mussolini in Ethiopia ... we can trust our electoral process??
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 03, 2018, 09:02:20 PM
Too bad his vp was Sarah fucking Palin. That broad was crazy.
That broad was crazyI think it was the eyes. She had crazy fucking eyes. 'Lesbians are trying to take over the world' eyes.
I never understood how anyone at all could have thought Palin would have made a good vice-president, or anything else, for that matter.
I never understood the brainiac that came up with her.
"Hey, there's this gal up in Alaska. Mayor of some small town. Perfect VP material."
"Huh? Why?"
"Tits and ass baby. Tits and ass. Get her onstage with some 'drill baby drill' and we'll get white male votes from sea to shining sea."
Other than that, I don't get it.
Quote from: ferdmonger on September 07, 2018, 08:06:49 PM
I never understood the brainiac that came up with her.
Evidently, some brainiacs inside the beltway thought red staters would go gaga over some vapid, basically blank-resumed buffoon who says a lot of stupid crap on social media. (And hooboy is it stupid! (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/260770-palin-jesus-would-fight-for-the-second-amendment)) Their only mistake (besides making the world worse) is that they jumped the gun by a few years.
Palin seemed an engaging choice at first. The Republicans needed a radical conservative to balance McCain's independence, and a woman on the ticket was a strategic choice. Palin checked off all the boxes the Republicans wanted. No vice presidential candidate is ever chosen for their ability to assume the Presidency (sadly). Although Biden may have been one and possibly Bush senior. Mostly, it it geographic and/or ideological.
The sad part is that the Republicans had no well-established female conservatives with experience in 2008. And who would have matched up well with McCain? No establishment party members would have agreed to run with him. He should have picked another outsider (and almost did with Lieberman).
Quote from: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 03:02:19 AM
Palin seemed an engaging choice at first. The Republicans needed a radical conservative to balance McCain's independence, and a woman on the ticket was a strategic choice. Palin checked off all the boxes the Republicans wanted. No vice presidential candidate is ever chosen for their ability to assume the Presidency (sadly). Although Biden may have been one and possibly Bush senior. Mostly, it it geographic and/or ideological.
The sad part is that the Republicans had no well-established female conservatives with experience in 2008. And who would have matched up well with McCain? No establishment party members would have agreed to run with him. He should have picked another outsider (and almost did with Lieberman).
Yes, Bush Sr and Cheney. Bush Sr was the real President as was Cheney. Reagan and Shrub were figure heads.
Lieberman would have been a good pick, to get the stupid NYC vote.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 08, 2018, 01:01:20 AM
Evidently, some brainiacs inside the beltway thought red staters would go gaga over some vapid, basically blank-resumed buffoon who says a lot of stupid crap on social media. (And hooboy is it stupid! (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/260770-palin-jesus-would-fight-for-the-second-amendment)) Their only mistake (besides making the world worse) is that they jumped the gun by a few years.
I was wintering in Petersburg, Alaska, when Palin was governor. I sure didn't follow Alaska's politics closely, but I did formulate a few perspectives, how accurate I can't say. From what little that I gathered, Palin seemed to be more or less respected by most. However, hanging over her reception by Alaskans was the fact that she replaced a governor who, if I remember correctly, was so bad he was actually in jail. The testimonials were along the lines of, "Palin? Oooh, she's OK. She's better than the last guy." That was a weak testimonial. I did have a close friend from Montana that had moved to Alaska, and had been in Anchorage several years before I was there. After Palin was chosen as a running mate, my friend said, "She is a good pick, because Palin had done wonderful things for Alaska." No examples were given, however.
But under the intense limelight of national media which thrust Palin into the public consciousness and which Palin thrived on, her crazy behavior came bursting out in full glory horrifying the nation. When I was in Alaska I didn't think Alaskans were actually aware of her being a nutcase, but I think at the time she was newly elected. I don't know what the Alaska perspective was two years later.
Quote from: SGOS on September 08, 2018, 10:06:12 AM
I was wintering in Petersburg, Alaska, when Palin was governor. I sure didn't follow Alaska's politics closely, but I did formulate a few perspectives, how accurate I can't say. From what little that I gathered, Palin seemed to be more or less respected by most. However, hanging over her reception by Alaskans was the fact that she replaced a governor who, if I remember correctly, was so bad he was actually in jail. The testimonials were along the lines of, "Palin? Oooh, she's OK. She's better than the last guy." That was a weak testimonial. I did have a close friend from Montana that had moved to Alaska, and had been in Anchorage several years before I was there. After Palin was chosen as a running mate, my friend said, "She is a good pick, because Palin had done wonderful things for Alaska." No examples were given, however.
But under the intense limelight of national media which thrust Palin into the public consciousness and which Palin thrived on, her crazy behavior came bursting out in full glory horrifying the nation. When I was in Alaska I didn't think Alaskans were actually aware of her being a nutcase, but I think at the time she was newly elected. I don't know what the Alaska perspective was two years later.
"Better than the previous nutcase" isn't exactly a rousing endorsement. But Harry Truman was also not exactly a favored choice as VP and he turned out to be a decent Pres. Same with Ford from less experience.
I guess the best I could say about Palin is that she sure wouldn't be Trump.
Quote from: SGOS on September 08, 2018, 10:06:12 AMAfter Palin was chosen as a running mate, my friend said, "She is a good pick, because Palin had done wonderful things for Alaska." No examples were given, however.
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Quote from: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 11:32:02 AM
"Better than the previous nutcase" isn't exactly a rousing endorsement. But Harry Truman was also not exactly a favored choice as VP and he turned out to be a decent Pres. Same with Ford from less experience.
I guess the best I could say about Palin is that she sure wouldn't be Trump.
No, Palin was never a TV star ;-)
The choice of Truman over Wallace was a coup on FDR in the 1944 convention. He worked out well in spite of his political connections. I suspect Truman had something to do with the death of FDR (who had already survived an assassination attempt and a planned coup) and Ford had something to do with the death of JFK (as did LBJ, Nixon and George HW). Ford was a calming influence in a difficult time. But he should have thrown Nixon under the bus, not pardoned him. I wish every President to prosecute his predecessor for the crimes they commit.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 08, 2018, 11:38:37 AM
(https://flglacrosse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Red-Flag.jpg)
"No examples" in support of an argument is a lot like food at the grocery store with no price labels.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 11:51:02 AM
"No examples" in support of an argument is a lot like food at the grocery store with no price labels.
In the future, you will only have a SNAP card, and consumption of rotten Chinese produced food will be unavoidable. Soylent Chinese.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 11:51:02 AM
"No examples" in support of an argument is a lot like food at the grocery store with no price labels.
More like canned goods with no label at all, so you have to guess what's in them, and whether or not they're even edible.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 01:32:53 PM
More like canned goods with no label at all, so you have to guess what's in them, and whether or not they're even edible.
That is what capitalism would get you. And now the Chinese are State Capitalists instead of State Communists.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 01:32:53 PM
More like canned goods with no label at all, so you have to guess what's in them, and whether or not they're even edible.
Just as long as they keep the beans separate from the Drano.
Quote from: SGOS on September 08, 2018, 06:51:10 PM
Just as long as they keep the beans separate from the Drano.
Prior incidents with dried milk and pet food, says the Chinese aren't too careful.
Sara Palin does have an interesting political career path. Seven years of political experience progressing up the political ladder like a rocket before exploding. At least that seems like a quick ride to the top to me, but that does not include a hiatus of 4 years between mayor and governor. As I recall, at some point in her 3 years as governor, she was criticized for doing her job from her home in Wasilla, 600 miles from the capitol. Supposedly, the rumor was that she ran the state from her kitchen. Apparently, she did not want to live in Juneau. Alaska is not heavily populated so maybe there wasn't that much to do as governor, but I doubt it.
Mayor of small town Wasilla, Alaska 1996 to 2002
Governor of Alaska 2006 to 2009
VP nominee 2008 to 2008
Reality TV personality 2009 to ?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 01:32:53 PM
More like canned goods with no label at all, so you have to guess what's in them, and whether or not they're even edible.
OK. But I don't even look at unlabeled cans. That's like a politician on the ballot that I've never even heard of. I limit my choices to ones I at least know something about.