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Title: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Shiranu on July 28, 2018, 07:21:33 PM
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/26/632890327/russians-unsuccessfully-tried-to-hack-computers-of-democratic-sen-claire-mccaski (https://www.npr.org/2018/07/26/632890327/russians-unsuccessfully-tried-to-hack-computers-of-democratic-sen-claire-mccaski)


QuoteRussian hackers trying to influence the 2018 elections made an unsuccessful attempt to breach the computer system of Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, one of this fall's most vulnerable Democrats.


The Daily Beast reported that McCaskill is the first known target of the Kremlin's plot to interfere in this fall's midterm elections after targeting the U.S. in the 2016 presidential election.


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"Russia continues to engage in cyber warfare against our democracy. I will continue to speak out and press to hold them accountable," McCaskill said in a statement. "While this attack was not successful, it is outrageous that they think they can get away with this. I will not be intimidated. I've said it before and I will say it again, Putin is a thug and a bully."


The Daily Beast reported that the attack was similar to one used by Russia's "Fancy Bear" hackers to access emails by John Podesta, the campaign chairman of 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton:


"The hackers sent forged notification emails to Senate targets claiming the target's Microsoft Exchange password had expired, and instructing them to change it. If the target clicked on the link, he or she was taken to a convincing replica of the U.S. Senate's Active Directory Federation Services (ADFS) login page, a single sign-on point for e-mail and other services.

"As with the Podesta phishing, each Senate phishing email had a different link coded with the recipient's email address. That allowed the fake password-change webpage to display the user's email address when they arrived, making the site more convincing."


Trump tweeted earlier this week that if Russia did try to impact the 2018 elections, it would be to help Democrats â€" despite evidence that they intervened to hurt Clinton and help Trump two years ago. And now, this report has surfaced that Russian hackers were trying to breach the computers of one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats â€" and not a Republican incumbent or candidate.

The president is set to chair a meeting of the National Security Council on Friday to discuss election security, which Democrats and even many Republicans have said they fear he is taking too lightly in the wake of his comments last week.

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats has said that the "warning lights are blinking red again" about future Russian cyberattacks and that "the digital infrastructure that serves this country is literally under attack."

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen also said last week at the Aspen Security Forum that it would be "foolish" to think Russia is not trying to influence the 2018 elections.

And FBI Director Christopher Wray also said last week in Aspen that Russia's attempts to undermine American democracy were ongoing.

It's reached a point where even established Republicans are saying that the Russians are definately attempting to hack our elections, all-the-while their party members block attempts to investigate cases of hacking and reduce the funding and staffing of our cyber terrorism protection agencies.


Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Shiranu on July 28, 2018, 07:24:11 PM
In semi-related news, Russian spy ships have begun to sit on our border... and this comes from sources from CNN to Fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/15/russian-spy-ship-spotted-back-off-u-s-coast.html

Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Unbeliever on July 28, 2018, 07:26:54 PM
The GOP loves Russia's attacks on our elections, as long as they're targeting Democrats - it saves them the trouble of having to do it themselves.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Unbeliever on July 28, 2018, 07:31:24 PM
They're not just using spy ships:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibgmaVb9Pzk
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 28, 2018, 08:47:01 PM
Ah, Democrats ... he ones who always bring us big wars like Korea, and Vietnam.

And how about those CIA guys, screwing everyone since OSS days in WW II?  Ah, but Americans are the master race, we can fuck anyone we like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kumiroe6M

Speaking of fossils from the Vietnam war ... patron saint for the new "nuke them first" Democrats.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: orcus on July 29, 2018, 10:00:13 AM
Every American war with conscription of the 20th century was started by a (D).

WWI - Woodrow Wilson (D)

WWII - FDR (D)

Korean - Harry S Truman (D)

Vietnam - LBJ (D)

EVIL RIGHT-WING WARMONGERS is a forced meme, all the wars you claim to hate are started by the oligarchs that you closeted anarchists love selling your souls to.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
Democrats also started the Civil War ... and they weren't out there with "make love not war" signs during the Indian Wars neither.  The founder of that party, Andrew Jackson, wasn't exactly a peace-nick.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: orcus on July 29, 2018, 10:00:13 AM
Every American war with conscription of the 20th century was started by a (D).

WWI - Woodrow Wilson (D)

WWII - FDR (D)

Korean - Harry S Truman (D)

Vietnam - LBJ (D)

EVIL RIGHT-WING WARMONGERS is a forced meme, all the wars you claim to hate are started by the oligarchs that you closeted anarchists love selling your souls to.

Let's see...

>Claims WW2 was started by America
>Wants to be taken seriously

Thats a hard no, bucko.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 10:30:11 AM
Let's see...

>Claims WW2 was started by America
>Wants to be taken seriously

Thats a hard no, bucko.

The Japanese and Germans will both tell you, that their attacks on the US were justified.  And there is evidence, that they were right.  Of course that would disrupt one of the most sacred America myths, right up there with Honest Abe.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Hydra009 on July 29, 2018, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 28, 2018, 07:24:11 PM
In semi-related news, Russian spy ships have begun to sit on our border... and this comes from sources from CNN to Fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/15/russian-spy-ship-spotted-back-off-u-s-coast.html
I heard something about that a year ago.  Apparently, it's fairly routine.  They also send planes over Alaskan (https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/21/russian-planes-buzz-alaska-four-nights-in-a-row/) and European airspace (https://www.newsweek.com/russian-air-force-spy-planes-intercepted-over-baltic-three-times-two-days-653201), which is also routine.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: orcus on July 29, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 10:30:11 AM
Let's see...

>Claims WW2 was started by America
>Wants to be taken seriously

Thats a hard no, bucko.

And of course that one (overall minor) point means your camp aren't crazy warmongers. This isn't the court system, you can't get off on a bullshit technicality.

Try refuting the rest of my post, or even my general thesis, then come back.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: orcus on July 29, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
And of course that means your camp aren't crazy warmongers. This isn't the court system, you can't get off on a bullshit technicality.

Try refuting the rest of my post, or even my general thesis, then come back.

I agree that Shiranu needs to up his game.  We can give him pointers, can't we?  Gotta do that cult deprogramming shit from the 80s, though against college political dogma, not against Satanism ... or is it?
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 29, 2018, 10:38:53 AM
I heard something about that a year ago.  Apparently, it's fairly routine.  They also send planes over Alaska (https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/21/russian-planes-buzz-alaska-four-nights-in-a-row/) and NATO airspace (https://www.newsweek.com/russian-air-force-spy-planes-intercepted-over-baltic-three-times-two-days-653201), which is also routine.

Correct, but people who never learned history, thinks that utopia arrived with Bill Clinton and Barak Obama (end of cold war and opening up to gay marriage).  The competition between nations continues, no matter how you label it.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: SGOS on July 29, 2018, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 28, 2018, 07:24:11 PM
In semi-related news, Russian spy ships have begun to sit on our border... and this comes from sources from CNN to Fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/15/russian-spy-ship-spotted-back-off-u-s-coast.html
Comrades, our own fleet doesn't know our full potential. They will do everything possible to test us; but they will only test their own embarrassment. We will leave our fleet behind, we will pass through the American patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest city, and listen to their rock and roll... while we conduct missile drills. Then, and when we are finished, the only sound they will hear is our laughter, while we sail to Havana, where the sun is warm, and so is the comradeship. A great day, comrades. We sail into history.   -Capt. Marko Ramius:  The Hunt for Red October

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsC2ETsZL0g
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 12:04:46 PM
The Russians Are Coming ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWWRbn4zG0

So many Alex Jones wannabes posting here ...

Americans ... pooned since War Of The Worlds hit the radio!
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 07:45:25 PM
Quote from: orcus on July 29, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
And of course that one (overall minor) point means your camp aren't crazy warmongers. This isn't the court system, you can't get off on a bullshit technicality.

Try refuting the rest of my post, or even my general thesis, then come back.

The fact that we were bombed by the Japanese, rather than started the war (which had already been going on for years) is not a "minor point".

We also didn't start WW1 (which had been going on for years before we joined) or Vietnam (a continuation of the Anti-French Resistance War that had been going on for years). So again, hard to say the Americans started a war that had been going on for years.

Also, you use conscription as the basis for making someone a war hawk which is extremely disingenuous.

If we want to call being attacked a "minor issue", then the "War on Terror" easily outdoes any war Democrats started since Korea; it's been on for nearly 17 years and at least 370,000 direct casualties and 370,000 indirect casualties, with at least 200,000 civilians being killed and 10.1 million people being displaced, all on a bill that goes into the trillions of dollars.

Additionally the War on Terror can be directly linked to the rise of groups like ISIS and an increase in Wahhabism influence across the Middle East as we destabilized the region and funded radical groups who would fight our enemies for us (before becoming our enemies themselves).

So yes, nowadays Republicans are crazy warmongers. Mainstream Democrats today are light warmongers.

You do realise criticizing the Republicans for being absolutely batshit does not mean you are saying the Democrats are without guilt, right? There is some shit the Democrats do that piss me off to no end, and when Obama was president I was one of the main voices here criticizing his drone programs and (once I learned how horrible Israel actually is) his support of Netanyahu's Apartheid. But to pretend that the Republicans aren't crazy warmongers just because Democrats can be shitty too is extremely disingenuous, especially when you say that a Democrat started World War 2 when there was this guy called Hitler (and Emperor Hirohito) who had done some "minor things" for years before America got involved.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Hydra009 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 07:45:25 PMThere is some shit the Democrats do that piss me off to no end, and when Obama was president I was one of the main voices here criticizing his drone programs and (once I learned how horrible Israel actually is) his support of Netanyahu's Apartheid.
That and the NSA/Snowden thing really got under my skin.  But those days seem like halcyon days of blissful contentment right now.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 08:14:47 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
That and the NSA/Snowden thing really got under my skin.  But those days seem like halcyon days of blissful contentment right now.

Oh, the good ol' days...
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Unbeliever on July 29, 2018, 08:18:36 PM
The times, they are a changin'.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Hydra009 on July 29, 2018, 08:28:42 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 08:14:47 PM
Oh, the good ol' days...
I plan on telling the next generation that 2004 was best time ever.

Launches for World of Warcraft and City of Heroes.  RTS excellence with Rise of Nations and Dawn of War.  And the video game with the most advanced graphics ever - so good you could be forgiven for thinking you were there - Battlefield Vietnam.

It was a year of gaming bliss.  Nothing negative happened that year at all.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: SGOS on July 29, 2018, 09:44:17 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
That and the NSA/Snowden thing really got under my skin.  But those days seem like halcyon days of blissful contentment right now.
I'm done saying the Republicans will never install a president worse than ___X___.  I'm now convinced that we are nowhere near he bottom.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 10:40:26 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 07:45:25 PM
The fact that we were bombed by the Japanese, rather than started the war (which had already been going on for years) is not a "minor point".

We also didn't start WW1 (which had been going on for years before we joined) or Vietnam (a continuation of the Anti-French Resistance War that had been going on for years). So again, hard to say the Americans started a war that had been going on for years.

Also, you use conscription as the basis for making someone a war hawk which is extremely disingenuous.

If we want to call being attacked a "minor issue", then the "War on Terror" easily outdoes any war Democrats started since Korea; it's been on for nearly 17 years and at least 370,000 direct casualties and 370,000 indirect casualties, with at least 200,000 civilians being killed and 10.1 million people being displaced, all on a bill that goes into the trillions of dollars.

Additionally the War on Terror can be directly linked to the rise of groups like ISIS and an increase in Wahhabism influence across the Middle East as we destabilized the region and funded radical groups who would fight our enemies for us (before becoming our enemies themselves).

So yes, nowadays Republicans are crazy warmongers. Mainstream Democrats today are light warmongers.

You do realise criticizing the Republicans for being absolutely batshit does not mean you are saying the Democrats are without guilt, right? There is some shit the Democrats do that piss me off to no end, and when Obama was president I was one of the main voices here criticizing his drone programs and (once I learned how horrible Israel actually is) his support of Netanyahu's Apartheid. But to pretend that the Republicans aren't crazy warmongers just because Democrats can be shitty too is extremely disingenuous, especially when you say that a Democrat started World War 2 when there was this guy called Hitler (and Emperor Hirohito) who had done some "minor things" for years before America got involved.

Sorry, but your history is .. inadequate.  The US had cut off oil to Japan, they had to do something or run out of fuel in two years.  That was an economic embargo (see Iran etc) that was an act of war.  FDR knew that.  The US was already fighting in China, against Japan, with the Flying Tigers aka Blackwater.  The US was already fighting Germany/Italy by trading with GB .. the Germans in self defense, sunk a couple of our convoy escorts before Dec 1941.  It was a big deal, Lend Lease, from Sept 1940.  Iran would be justified, dropping a nuke on the US, or a US ally (SA) if we embargo them again.

Yes, modern Israel is un-liberal.  Gotta kill them.  The Palestinians are so so liberal ;-)

The human race has been fighting since the Stone Age .. so according to you, nobody started any wars, because the Cavemen were responsible?

A huge factor in WW I, happened before WW I.  Teddy Roosevelt managed a reconciliation between France and GB, who had hated each other for 1000 years already.  Without the BEF in Belgium in 1914, France would have lost their war immediately.  The natural ally for GB was the German Empire.  Similarly the Russians were supposed to be allied to Germany also.  Their kings were all related to Queen Victoria.

Hillary was a warmonger (Women libbers have to be more masculine than men, to be taken seriously ... see Thatcher).  But then she wasn't a real Democrat.  All real Democrats are MLK, pacifist Christian ministers.  So I guess you aren't one either ;-)
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
That and the NSA/Snowden thing really got under my skin.  But those days seem like halcyon days of blissful contentment right now.

They will shortly capture Julian Assange (deal with Ecuador) and flay him alive on TV, as a warning to others.  Snowden too.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 11:57:45 PM
Baruch: Again, America did not start it, the Japanese desire to construct an empire and expansionist policies did. They had been fighting China, Korea, Russia long before we got involved. The war in the Pacific was well underway long before we put sanctions on Japan.

FDR didn't just randomly decide one day, "You know what would be fun? Denying Japan of strategic resources and sending our troops to fight for China!". That was done in response to a war that was already well underway. Ergo, the United States still did not start WW2 (and besides, the Pacific Theatre really heating up was after the European conflict was well underway as well, so it's doubly incorrect to say America started it).
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 30, 2018, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2018, 11:57:45 PM
Baruch: Again, America did not start it, the Japanese desire to construct an empire and expansionist policies did. They had been fighting China, Korea, Russia long before we got involved. The war in the Pacific was well underway long before we put sanctions on Japan.

FDR didn't just randomly decide one day, "You know what would be fun? Denying Japan of strategic resources and sending our troops to fight for China!". That was done in response to a war that was already well underway. Ergo, the United States still did not start WW2 (and besides, the Pacific Theatre really heating up was after the European conflict was well underway as well, so it's doubly incorrect to say America started it).

Sorry, but you must have gotten an A on your government provided education.  I did too.  But like the Ancient Mariner .. I woke up wiser and sadder.  Americans are no different from any other people, no different from Germans or Japanese (other than having no culture).  The Pacific War started in China in 1931.  The European war started in 1936 with occupation of the Rhineland and Italian invasion of Ethiopia.  Please read a book.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: SGOS on July 30, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
Quote from: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 10:40:26 PM
Sorry, but your history is .. inadequate.  The US had cut off oil to Japan, they had to do something or run out of fuel in two years.  That was an economic embargo (see Iran etc) that was an act of war.  FDR knew that.
Japan started the war when they attacked the US
No, the US started the war when they created an oil embargo.
No, Japan started the war when they invaded China.
No, China started the war when they pissed off Japan.
No, something started the war before that.

You can trace and imagine your way to the first cause, but at some point any theist will tell you, you must assign cause to whatever pleases an a priori claim.

I'm going with Japan as starting the war.  They could have prevented the war by stopping their Asian aggression.  They could have avoided the embargo.  I understand the argument that the US started the war.  But it's an oratorical stretch at best, and mostly bullshit.  An embargo is a sanction designed to force a country too proud to reason their way to the inevitability of their actions into the most beneficial of outcomes.  Japan made a grievous error of reason by bombing US forces in Pearl Harbor.  That was an act of war.  The fact that they felt justified doesn't give them a pass.  They bombed us.

When the electric company turns off your power, they are not starting a war.  You pay them the bill, and they turn the power back on.  If you buy a gun and attack the central office, you are the person at fault.  Sometimes you don't think you are at fault, but that is not your decision to make.  The power company is more powerful than... than... Well, than You.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Shiranu on July 30, 2018, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: Baruch on July 30, 2018, 07:01:28 AM
Sorry, but you must have gotten an A on your government provided education.  I did too.  But like the Ancient Mariner .. I woke up wiser and sadder.  Americans are no different from any other people, no different from Germans or Japanese (other than having no culture).  The Pacific War started in China in 1931.  The European war started in 1936 with occupation of the Rhineland and Italian invasion of Ethiopia.  Please read a book.

Yeah, you are right actually on the Pacific War starting first, I'm not sure why I said that. However, the fact that it started that much earlier does kinda reinforce my point that we didn't start it...
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on July 30, 2018, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: SGOS on July 30, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
Japan started the war when they attacked the US
No, the US started the war when they created an oil embargo.
No, Japan started the war when they invaded China.
No, China started the war when they pissed off Japan.
No, something started the war before that.

You can trace and imagine your way to the first cause, but at some point any theist will tell you, you must assign cause to whatever pleases an a priori claim.

I'm going with Japan as starting the war.  They could have prevented the war by stopping their Asian aggression.  They could have avoided the embargo.  I understand the argument that the US started the war.  But it's an oratorical stretch at best, and mostly bullshit.  An embargo is a sanction designed to force a country too proud to reason their way to the inevitability of their actions into the most beneficial of outcomes.  Japan made a grievous error of reason by bombing US forces in Pearl Harbor.  That was an act of war.  The fact that they felt justified doesn't give them a pass.  They bombed us.

When the electric company turns off your power, they are not starting a war.  You pay them the bill, and they turn the power back on.  If you buy a gun and attack the central office, you are the person at fault.  Sometimes you don't think you are at fault, but that is not your decision to make.  The power company is more powerful than... than... Well, than You.

The god-emperor of Japan wasn't FDR's bitch.  Neither were the other Axis leaders.  But yes, if they hadn't been megalomaniacs, the Axis leaders might have even made it to old age.  Hirohito got special treatment.  But today, more so than the 1930s, we view the US as the only-superpower.  At the time, the US had one of the smallest standing armies.  Nobody was scared of us.

http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Stats/US_Mil_Manpower_1789-1997.htm

We could have asked the League of Nations to go arrest Hirohito etc.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 02:10:35 AM
Quote from: Baruch on July 28, 2018, 08:47:01 PM
Ah, Democrats ... he ones who always bring us big wars like Korea, and Vietnam.

And how about those CIA guys, screwing everyone since OSS days in WW II?  Ah, but Americans are the master race, we can fuck anyone we like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kumiroe6M

Speaking of fossils from the Vietnam war ... patron saint for the new "nuke them first" Democrats.

Old quote and he has changed his views on this matter.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 02:13:10 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2018, 10:05:14 AM
Yeah, you are right actually on the Pacific War starting first, I'm not sure why I said that. However, the fact that it started that much earlier does kinda reinforce my point that we didn't start it...

Actually, the US was already helping the European Allies before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and other Pacific sites.  The difference is merely technical.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2018, 01:15:46 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355396-mccain-iran-was-literally-been-getting-away-with-murder

Doesn't sound like he has changed his mind ... other than he is jealous of Trump (like the rest of the Deep State swamp).
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 02:31:21 AM
Quote from: Baruch on August 01, 2018, 01:15:46 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355396-mccain-iran-was-literally-been-getting-away-with-murder

Doesn't sound like he has changed his mind ... other than he is jealous of Trump (like the rest of the Deep State swamp).

McCain is not "jealous" of Trump.  Trump is a govermentally-uneducated fool who doesn't comprehend the world.  McCain understands the world, but not really politics. 
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 08:25:04 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 02:31:21 AM
McCain is not "jealous" of Trump.  Trump is a govermentally-uneducated fool who doesn't comprehend the world.  McCain understands the world, but not really politics.

McCain has a Vietnamese control implants he got in 1968.  Part of the revenge of the Vietnamese.  Are you ready to invade Iran then?
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 09:25:36 AM
Quote from: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 08:25:04 AM
McCain has a Vietnamese control implants he got in 1968.  Part of the revenge of the Vietnamese.  Are you ready to invade Iran then?

You should apologize to John McCain for that.  I'm serious.  I will put you on ignore again if you don't.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 09:25:36 AM
You should apologize to John McCain for that.  I'm serious.  I will put you on ignore again if you don't.

Well, there is a lot of traffic on the Internet, saying worse things than that, which I won't repeat.  He may or may not be a war hero.  Same as John Kerry.  But neither are half the man Bob Dole was.  But not everyone captured by the N Vietnamese should be President.

But no, his campaign in 2008 was shit.  I might have voted for him in 2000, if the Bush Mafia hadn't gotten to him (as they got to Ross Perot in 1992).  He is at least long past needing to retire.  He has less sense now than my demented mother before she passed.
Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 09:38:37 AM
Well, there is a lot of traffic on the Internet, saying worse things than that, which I won't repeat.  He may or may not be a war hero.  Same as John Kerry.  But neither are half the man Bob Dole was.  But not everyone captured by the N Vietnamese should be President.

But no, his campaign in 2008 was shit.  I might have voted for him in 2000, if the Bush Mafia hadn't gotten to him (as they got to Ross Perot in 1992).  He is at least long past needing to retire.  He has less sense now than my demented mother before she passed.

Let me understand what you are saying here.  John McCain "may not be a war hero".  Swift-boating, are you?

John McCain is beyond a shadow of a doubt of your cheap sorry ass more hero that you you could ever imagine yourself to be.  And me.

McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958 and followed his father and grandfatherâ€"both four-star admiralsâ€"into the U.S. Navy. He became a naval aviator and flew ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he was almost killed in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. While McCain was on a bombing mission over Hanoi in October 1967, he was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973. McCain experienced episodes of torture and refused an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer. The wounds that he sustained during war have left him with lifelong physical disabilities. He retired from the Navy as a captain in 1981 and moved to Arizona, where he entered politics .

And you, you have the gall to say "He may or may not be a war hero" after all that.  I despise you for that.  You are really so very much like Trump now.  You are dead to me.



Title: Re: Failed Russian Hack Attempt of Anti-Putin Senator
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 10:42:44 AM
Let me understand what you are saying here.  John McCain "may not be a war hero".  Swift-boating, are you?

John McCain is beyond a shadow of a doubt of your cheap sorry ass more hero that you you could ever imagine yourself to be.  And me.

McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958 and followed his father and grandfatherâ€"both four-star admiralsâ€"into the U.S. Navy. He became a naval aviator and flew ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers. During the Vietnam War, he was almost killed in the 1967 USS Forrestal fire. While McCain was on a bombing mission over Hanoi in October 1967, he was shot down, seriously injured, and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was a prisoner of war until 1973. McCain experienced episodes of torture and refused an out-of-sequence early repatriation offer. The wounds that he sustained during war have left him with lifelong physical disabilities. He retired from the Navy as a captain in 1981 and moved to Arizona, where he entered politics .

And you, you have the gall to say "He may or may not be a war hero" after all that.  I despise you for that.  You are really so very much like Trump now.  You are dead to me.

Yes, you defend all Vietnam veterans ... because of your honorable service?  Irony much.  My older brother and older cousin served honorably.  I have known many others.  People like you have more in common with Clinton and Cheney, right?  George H W Bush was also shot down.  But that isn't a ringing endorsement, is it?  Or do you support the Bush Mafia too?  And I assume you voted for John Kerry.

Yes, serving as a civilian in the military, on 24x7 alert ... for 21+ years now.  Which means at war for nearly 17 years now (longer than Vietnam).  And served for 10 years as a civilian in the military, in earlier years.  Working to kill all enemies of the US, foreign and domestic ... with nukes etc.  But no, not a hero, don't need to be.  As some wise person once said ... all the heroes died in combat.

Admit it ... you have liked every Democrat in a cheap suit on the rubber chicken campaign circuit ;-)  How old does McCain, Hillary etc have to be, before they are too old?