QuoteFifty-three percent of Americans say they'd be less likely to support an atheist for president, and almost half say they'd be unhappy if a family member married an atheist. Mo Rocca reports on the many consequences that those who come out as non-believers suffer in a nation founded on religious tolerance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQsdmwCFUL4
I don't personally experience any negative side effects of being an unbeliever, but too many people do. That's why so many of them are still in the closet, and are afraid to come out and be counted as atheists. They could lose jobs, friends, family, even their lives.
I am 100% less likely now to support a Democrat or a Republican for President. Is that an issue? Wanna make something of it?
Would have no problem with an atheist.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2018, 08:05:05 PM
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I don't personally experience any negative side effects of being an unbeliever, but too many people do. That's why so many of them are still in the closet, and are afraid to come out and be counted as atheists. They could lose jobs, friends, family, even their lives.
It seems as if Atheists think they are mistrusted by Americans out of Religious intolerance.
You guys are really misguided if you think it is unfair that the USA will not like an Atheist President.
It is not due to some phobia that we do not want atheists to rule a capitalist, Christian country!
On the contrary, we learned from history that it will be havoc!Lenin, Stalin, tens of Millions Christians, Jews killed. Poverty, famine…
Halil Hoxha, Albania, churches destroyed, Christians killed. Poverty, Famine…
Cambodia, Pol Pot Khmer Rouge, Millions displaced, Millions Budists and Christians killed. Famine poverty…
China, Mau se Dong, Millions of Christians killed, Budists and Tauist temples and churches destroyed. Famine.. poverty.
Cuba, Fidel Castro. Destroyed Churches, arrested priests, deported priests...Poverty!
Previous communist states
Afghanistan, Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Grenada, Hungary, Derg, Ethiopia, Kampuchea, Mongolia, Mozambique, North Vietnam, Poland, Romania, Somalia, South Yemen, Yugoslavia.
And Previously…Poverty, no human rights, continuous war, no economy.
French Revolution, Reign of Terror by the Revolutionary Tribunal, Robespierre.
Hundreds of thousands innocent people guillotined. Poverty, destruction of economy.
Mexico, Calles, churches destroyed, thousands of populace killed, priest killed, poverty…no economy.
Lets not forget old Nicola Ceaucesco!
The best example of an Atheist I can think of in Southern Africa, is Robert Mugabe!
What about Samorrah Machell who killed of the Portuguese by sawing them in half in front of their children, raping the wives and beheading her.
lets think about the Bombs that Nelson Mandella planted in SA and the weapons and ammunition he brought into the country and how He and his wife, Winny murdered their own people by burning them alive.
What about Julius Malema, that wants to kill every white person in South Africa?
No, My dear Atheist complainants, Atheism made its' mark on the world with the deaths of millions of people.
If you think the people of the USA should feel sorry for you because they dont like Atheists, you are right about they dont like you; but wrong about the need of empathy!
I regard it as a sign that anyone who dislikes Atheism, is an informed and educated person that dont want the same mistakes to happen in their country.
An idiot is someone who does the same thing over, wishing for a different result.
If an Atheist gets into power in the USA, onlt an Idiot will think there will be peace and prosperity.
The intelligent will immediately realize that destruction and famine will be the outcome as was so many times tested in the history of the world!
Says the theist with the death of billions, rape of billions, mutilation and torture of billions. Whom brainwashed trillions into bleving thy can get away with murder if its a holy cause.
Exactly why I am not "out". I don't see any glory in being vocal about it. The one thing I do is vote.
I have no problem revealing my atheism whenever it comes up, but it seldom comes up. I don't exactly bandy it about, though.
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 27, 2018, 07:54:53 AM
It seems as if Atheists think they are mistrusted by Americans out of Religious intolerance.
You guys are really misguided if you think it is unfair that the USA will not like an Atheist President.
It is not due to some phobia that we do not want atheists to rule a capitalist, Christian country!
On the contrary, we learned from history that it will be havoc!
Lenin, Stalin, tens of Millions Christians, Jews killed. Poverty, famine…
Halil Hoxha, Albania, churches destroyed, Christians killed. Poverty, Famine…
Cambodia, Pol Pot Khmer Rouge, Millions displaced, Millions Budists and Christians killed. Famine poverty…
China, Mau se Dong, Millions of Christians killed, Budists and Tauist temples and churches destroyed. Famine.. poverty.
Cuba, Fidel Castro. Destroyed Churches, arrested priests, deported priests...Poverty!
Previous communist states
Afghanistan, Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Grenada, Hungary, Derg, Ethiopia, Kampuchea, Mongolia, Mozambique, North Vietnam, Poland, Romania, Somalia, South Yemen, Yugoslavia.
And Previously…Poverty, no human rights, continuous war, no economy.
French Revolution, Reign of Terror by the Revolutionary Tribunal, Robespierre.
Hundreds of thousands innocent people guillotined. Poverty, destruction of economy.
Mexico, Calles, churches destroyed, thousands of populace killed, priest killed, poverty…no economy.
Lets not forget old Nicola Ceaucesco!
The best example of an Atheist I can think of in Southern Africa, is Robert Mugabe!
What about Samorrah Machell who killed of the Portuguese by sawing them in half in front of their children, raping the wives and beheading her.
lets think about the Bombs that Nelson Mandella planted in SA and the weapons and ammunition he brought into the country and how He and his wife, Winny murdered their own people by burning them alive.
What about Julius Malema, that wants to kill every white person in South Africa?
No, My dear Atheist complainants, Atheism made its' mark on the world with the deaths of millions of people.
If you think the people of the USA should feel sorry for you because they dont like Atheists, you are right about they dont like you; but wrong about the need of empathy!
I regard it as a sign that anyone who dislikes Atheism, is an informed and educated person that dont want the same mistakes to happen in their country.
An idiot is someone who does the same thing over, wishing for a different result.
If an Atheist gets into power in the USA, onlt an Idiot will think there will be peace and prosperity.
The intelligent will immediately realize that destruction and famine will be the outcome as was so many times tested in the history of the world!
VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH (http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm)
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 27, 2018, 07:54:53 AM
It seems as if Atheists think they are mistrusted by Americans out of Religious intolerance.
You guys are really misguided if you think it is unfair that the USA will not like an Atheist President.
It is not due to some phobia that we do not want atheists to rule a capitalist, Christian country!
On the contrary, we learned from history that it will be havoc!
Lenin, Stalin, tens of Millions Christians, Jews killed. Poverty, famine…
Halil Hoxha, Albania, churches destroyed, Christians killed. Poverty, Famine…
Cambodia, Pol Pot Khmer Rouge, Millions displaced, Millions Budists and Christians killed. Famine poverty…
China, Mau se Dong, Millions of Christians killed, Budists and Tauist temples and churches destroyed. Famine.. poverty.
Cuba, Fidel Castro. Destroyed Churches, arrested priests, deported priests...Poverty!
Previous communist states
Afghanistan, Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Grenada, Hungary, Derg, Ethiopia, Kampuchea, Mongolia, Mozambique, North Vietnam, Poland, Romania, Somalia, South Yemen, Yugoslavia.
And Previously…Poverty, no human rights, continuous war, no economy.
French Revolution, Reign of Terror by the Revolutionary Tribunal, Robespierre.
Hundreds of thousands innocent people guillotined. Poverty, destruction of economy.
Mexico, Calles, churches destroyed, thousands of populace killed, priest killed, poverty…no economy.
Lets not forget old Nicola Ceaucesco!
The best example of an Atheist I can think of in Southern Africa, is Robert Mugabe!
What about Samorrah Machell who killed of the Portuguese by sawing them in half in front of their children, raping the wives and beheading her.
lets think about the Bombs that Nelson Mandella planted in SA and the weapons and ammunition he brought into the country and how He and his wife, Winny murdered their own people by burning them alive.
What about Julius Malema, that wants to kill every white person in South Africa?
No, My dear Atheist complainants, Atheism made its' mark on the world with the deaths of millions of people.
If you think the people of the USA should feel sorry for you because they dont like Atheists, you are right about they dont like you; but wrong about the need of empathy!
I regard it as a sign that anyone who dislikes Atheism, is an informed and educated person that dont want the same mistakes to happen in their country.
An idiot is someone who does the same thing over, wishing for a different result.
If an Atheist gets into power in the USA, onlt an Idiot will think there will be peace and prosperity.
The intelligent will immediately realize that destruction and famine will be the outcome as was so many times tested in the history of the world!
Oh for fuck's sake.
Countries that are the most secular have the least violent crime. Hitler was a Christian, and cited that as justification for his atrocities several times. End of discussion. Ignore the ignoramus.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 27, 2018, 09:54:01 PM
Countries that are the most secular have the least violent crime. Hitler was a Christian, and cited that as justification for his atrocities several times. End of discussion. Ignore the ignoramus.
It was a fair bit more complicated then that.
QuoteHistorians on Hitler's religious beliefs Edit
Academic historians who specialize on the life and thought of Hitler have concluded he was irreligious and anti-Christian.
Alan Bullock was an early influential Hitler expert who wrote important biographies of the dictator in the 1950s and 1960s.[26] He wrote that Hitler had been raised Catholic, and though impressed by its organisational powers, Hitler repudiated Christianity on what he considered to be rational and moral grounds.[27] Bullock considered Hitler to be a rationalist and materialist, with no feeling for the spiritual or emotional side of human existence.[27] Bullock wrote that Hitler believed neither in "God nor conscience" but found both "justification and absolution" in a view of himself that echoed Hegel's that heroes were above conventional morality and the role of "world-historical individuals" as the agents by which the "Will of the World Spirit", the plan of Providence is carried out. Following his early military successes, Hitler "abandoned himself entirely to megalomania" and the "sin of hybris", an exaggerated self-pride, believing himself to be more than a man.[28][29] Once the war was over, wrote Bullock, Hitler wanted to root out and destroy the influence of the churches, though until then he would be circumspect for political reasons:[27]
In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest.
â€" Alan Bullock, Hitler: a Study in Tyranny
At the turn of the century, leading Hitler expert[30] Ian Kershaw wrote an influential biography of Hitler which used new sources to expound on Hitler's religious views. He too concluded that Hitler was anti-Christian and irreligious, but noted how Hitler's religious policy was restrained by political considerations. Still, Hitler's hostility to Christianity contributed to the efforts of his underlings to suppress that religion in Nazi Germany: "However much Hitler on some occasions claimed to want a respite in the conflict [with the churches], his own inflammatory comments gave his underlings all the license they needed to turn up the heat on the 'Church Struggle', confident that they were working towards the Fuhrer" noted Kershaw:[31][32]
Hitler's impatience with the churches prompted frequent outbursts of hostility. In early 1937, he was declaring that 'Christianity was ripe for destruction' (Untergang), and that the churches must therefore yield to the 'primacy of the state', railing against 'the most horrible institution imaginable."
â€" Ian Kershaw, Hitler 1936-1945 Nemesis[31]
British historian Richard J. Evans, who writes primarily on Nazi Germany and World War II, believes that Hitler believed in the long run that National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, and that he stressed repeatedly that Nazism was a secular ideology, founded on modern science: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition' Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and 'Priests', he said, were 'black bugs', 'abortions in black cassocks'."[33]
British historian Richard Overy, biographer of Hitler, sees Hitler as having been neither a practising Christian, nor a thorough atheist, but also notes the sentiment that Nazism and religion could not co-exist long term: "Both Stalin and Hitler wanted a neutered religion, subservient to the state, while the slow programme of scientific revelation destroyed the foundation of religious myth."[34] Overy writes of Hitler as skeptical of all religious belief, but politically prudent enough not to "trumpet his scientific views publicly", partly in order to maintain the distinction between his own movement and the godlessness of Soviet Communism .[35] In 2004, he wrote:[36]
He was not a practising Christian but had somehow succeeded in masking his own religious scepticism from millions of German voters. Though Hitler has often been portrayed as a neo-pagan, or the centrepiece of a political religion in which he played the Godhead, his views had much more in common with the revolutionary iconoclasm of the Bolshevik enemy. His few private remarks on Christianity betray a profound contempt and indifference... Hitler believed that all religions were now 'decadent'; in Europe it was the 'collapse of Christianity that we are now experiencing'. The reason for the crisis was science. Hitler, like Stalin took a very modern view of the incompatibility of religious and scientific explanation.
â€" Richard Overy, The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia
Historian Percy Ernst Schramm, describes Hitler's personal religious creed, after his rejection of the Christian beliefs of his youth, as "a variant of the monism so common before the First World War."[4] According to Schramm, These views were indirectly influenced by the work of Ernst Haeckel and his disciple, Wilhelm Bölsche.[14]
Schramm quotes Dr. Hanskarl von Hasselbach, one of Hitler's personal physicians, as saying that Hitler was a "religious person, or at least one who was struggling with religious clarity." According to von Hasselbach, Hitler did not share Martin Bormann's conception that Nazi ceremonies could become a substitute for church ceremonies, and was aware of the religious needs of the masses. "He went on for hours discussing the possibility of bridging the confessional division of the German people and helping them find a religion appropriate to their character and modern man's understanding of the world."[14]
Hitler's personal conception of God was as "Providence" (divine providence). For instance, when he survived the assassination attempt of July 20, 1944, he ascribed it to Providence saving him to pursue his tasks. In fact, as time went on, Hitler's conception of Providence became more and more intertwined with his belief in his own inability to make an error of judgment. Alfred Jodl stated at Nuremberg that Hitler had "an almost mystical conviction of his infallibility as leader of the nation and of the war." Another of his physicians, Dr. Karl Brandt, said that Hitler saw himself as a "tool of Providence. He was ... consumed by the desire to give the German people everything and to help them out of their distress. He was possessed by the thought that this was his task and that only he could fulfill it."[14]
BBC historian Laurence Rees characterises Hitler's relationship to religion as one of opportunism and pragmatism: "his relationship in public to Christianityâ€"indeed his relationship to religion in generalâ€"was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[37][38] Considering the religious allusions found in Mein Kampf, Rees writes that "the most coherent reading of Mein Kampf" is that Hitler was prepared to believe in an initial creator God, but did "not accept the conventional Christian vision of heaven and hell, nor the survival of an individual 'soul'."[39]
Max Domarus has written that Hitler replaced belief in the Judeo-Christian God with belief in a peculiarly German "god".[40] He promoted the idea of this god as the creator of Germany, but Hitler "was not a Christian in any accepted meaning of that word."[41] Domarus writes that Hitler neither believed in organized religion nor saw himself as a religious reformer.[41] Hitler had fully discarded belief in the Judeo-Christian conception of God by 1937, writes Domarus, but continued to use the word "God" in speeches â€" but it was not the God "who has been worshiped for millennia", but a new and peculiarly German "god" who "let iron grow". Thus Hitler told the British journalist Ward Price in 1937: "I believe in God, and I am convinced that He will not desert 67 million Germans who have worked so hard to regain their rightful position in the world."[40]
Although Hitler did not "abide by its commandments", Domarus believed that he retained elements of the Catholic thinking of his upbringing even into the initial years of his rule: "As late as 1933, he still described himself publicly as a Catholic. Only the spreading poison of his lust for power and self idolatry finally crowded out the memories of childhood beliefs and in 1937 he jettisoned the last of his personal religious convictions, declaring to comrades, 'Now I feel as fresh as a colt in the pasture'".[40] Author Konrad Heiden has quoted Hitler as stating, "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."[42] Derek Hastings considers it "eminently plausible" that Hitler was a believing Catholic as late as his trial in 1924, but writes that "there is little doubt that Hitler was a staunch opponent of Christianity throughout the duration of the Third Reich."[43]
The biographer John Toland, recounts that in the aftermath of an attempted assassination in 1939, Hitler told dinner guests that Pope Pius XII would rather have seen the "plot succeed" and "was no friend of mine", but also writes that in 1941 Hitler was still "a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite his detestation of its hierarchy"[44] According to Guenter Lewy, Hitler was not excommunicated from the Catholic Church prior to his death.[45] Yet, these authors seem to have missed the fact that Hitler was in fact excommunicated, along with all other Nazi leaders, in 1931.[46] Although he had received the Catholic sacraments of Baptism, and Confirmation as an infant, there is little evidence he considered himself subject to the teaching of the Church from adolescence onward, whatever cultural affiliation he claimed, and the excommunication would have meant nothing to him.
Samuel Koehne of Deakin University wrote in 2012: "Was Hitler an atheist? Probably not. But it remains very difficult to ascertain his personal religious beliefs, and the debate rages on." While Hitler was emphatically not "Christian" by the traditional or orthodox notion of the term, he did speak of a deity whose work was nature and natural laws, "conflating God and nature to the extent that they became one and the same thing..." and that "For this reason, some recent works have argued Hitler was a Deist".[47] In his writings on Hitler's recurrent religious images and symbols, Kenneth Burke concluded that "Hitler's modes of thought are nothing more than perverted or caricatured forms of religious thought".[48]
Richard Steigmann-Gall represents a small minority view, that Hitler was indeed a Christian. He wrote in 2003 that even after Hitler's rupture with institutional Christianity (which he dated to around 1937), he sees evidence that he continued to hold Jesus in high esteem,[49] and never directed his attacks on Jesus himself.[50] Use of the term "positive Christianity" in the Nazi Party Program of the 1920s is commonly regarded as a tactical measure, but Steigmann-Gall believes it may have had an "inner logic" and been "more than a political ploy".[51] He considers that Hitler was religious at least in the 1920s and early 1930s, and that he saw Jesus as an Aryan opponent of the Jews.[52]
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 27, 2018, 06:21:20 PM
I have no problem revealing my atheism whenever it comes up, but it seldom comes up. I don't exactly bandy it about, though.
If you have been drinking, do you brandy it about? ;-)
History is complicated indeed, that is why historians can't agree on it ;-) Some people think that Churchill was responsible for WW II.
Actual Germans at the time, regarded Hitler as the second coming of Jesus (in wrath). Stalin initially would have been more religious, being a failed seminary student ... but became embittered by the death of his first wife.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 27, 2018, 06:33:26 PM
VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH (http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm)
I know that there was terrible persecution done by "Christians" in the past.
I also know that there are terrible things done by Muslims Today.
Just as you should admit that Atheism is the number one killer on this Earth when we consider the age of this religion, and in what a short time they managed to kill the amount of innocent people they did!
But, lets see if you can get past this one.
Those Christians you are referring to murdered on what grounds?
Only because of politics when the reformation occurred between Catholic and protestant.
Or, If we want to look at the Crusades, only because kings and popes wanted to regain the Holy land from the Muslims after continuous attacks against the pilgrims to Jerusalem.
Totally political!
The Atheists then again, killed due to politics, power and greed!
The Muslims?
also, to take over the world Pinkey!
To make it all a Muslim Caliphate!
Ok, so where does the Christian stand today?
They do not further violence.
The Atheist?
Dont dare to speak about their attitude against Christianity, they have the right to demand decimation of all religions in schools, universities, and the professional world.
And where is Islam?
Still trying to takeover the world, Brain!
Now, why?
The Atheist are still caught up in communism, socialism, and think like Marx.
They will still kill if they get the chance.
The Muslims, they are instructed by their holy book to kill until only Islam remains.
The Christians?
They are instructed NOT TO FURTHER WAR AND VIOLENCE, AND ANY ONE WHO DOES SO, ARE NOT DOING WHAT JESUS INSTRUCTED THEM AND IT IS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE.
Therefore, I will anytime live in a country where they call themself Christian.
Never in a socialist or Communist country, and definately never under shariah law.
Only a fool would think that an Atheist will have freedom in an atheist or Muslim country.
and the so called Christian countries of the world are the safehaven for Atheists, Jews, and Muslims
Get your priorities correct pal.
First, they didn't allow forced Christian prayer in the classroom, and I said nothing.
Then, they disallowed Christian public prayer on the public address system before the big football game and I said nothing.
Then they banned Christians from entering the United States and I said nothing.
Then, they closed all of the churches and made Christianity illegal and I said nothing.
I've frankly had enough of Christians proclaiming they are being picked on in this country
That's enough of this shit.
Quote from: ferdmonger on July 30, 2018, 06:12:28 PM
First, they didn't allow forced Christian prayer in the classroom, and I said nothing.
Then, they disallowed Christian public prayer on the public address system before the big football game and I said nothing.
Then they banned Christians from entering the United States and I said nothing.
Then, they closed all of the churches and made Christianity illegal and I said nothing.
I've frankly had enough of Christians proclaiming they are being picked on in this country
That's enough of this shit.
It's OK here to be anti-Christian BTW. Anti-Muslim etc as well. So you are preaching to the choir ;-)
In small town America ... they aren't listening to the Californicators or the E Coast city slickers.
Get your priorities correct pal.
Indeed Mousetrap. Indeed.
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 30, 2018, 11:03:30 AM
I know that there was terrible persecution done by "Christians" in the past.
I also know that there are terrible things done by Muslims Today.
Just as you should admit that Atheism is the number one killer on this Earth when we consider the age of this religion, and in what a short time they managed to kill the amount of innocent people they did!
But, lets see if you can get past this one.
Those Christians you are referring to murdered on what grounds?
Only because of politics when the reformation occurred between Catholic and protestant.
Or, If we want to look at the Crusades, only because kings and popes wanted to regain the Holy land from the Muslims after continuous attacks against the pilgrims to Jerusalem.
Totally political!
The Atheists then again, killed due to politics, power and greed!
The Muslims?
also, to take over the world Pinkey!
To make it all a Muslim Caliphate!
Ok, so where does the Christian stand today?
They do not further violence.
The Atheist?
Dont dare to speak about their attitude against Christianity, they have the right to demand decimation of all religions in schools, universities, and the professional world.
And where is Islam?
Still trying to takeover the world, Brain!
Now, why?
The Atheist are still caught up in communism, socialism, and think like Marx.
They will still kill if they get the chance.
The Muslims, they are instructed by their holy book to kill until only Islam remains.
The Christians?
They are instructed NOT TO FURTHER WAR AND VIOLENCE, AND ANY ONE WHO DOES SO, ARE NOT DOING WHAT JESUS INSTRUCTED THEM AND IT IS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE.
Therefore, I will anytime live in a country where they call themself Christian.
Never in a socialist or Communist country, and definately never under shariah law.
Only a fool would think that an Atheist will have freedom in an atheist or Muslim country.
and the so called Christian countries of the world are the safehaven for Atheists, Jews, and Muslims
Get your priorities correct pal.
What planet are you from? Is it cold there?
Quote from: Mermaid on July 30, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
What planet are you from? Is it cold there?
Lets put it this way as an answer to your question.
If you walk down the road, and there crosses an animal on your path without legs, diamond colored scales, and some rattle on its tail, looking at you and you think, aaauuoo, this creature will do me nothing, what would a bystander call you?
If you take a hike, and a huge hairy brown animal, with sharp claws, and big teeth, storms down onto you with a growl, and you would reply, aaaauuuooo, this is such a kind animal, what will a bystander call you?
If you go to a church, and the people are worshiping and singing, and you say, dear, oh dear! What dangerous people are these? Thy should be locked up in an asylum! These guys are dangerous!
Then you walk past a Mosque on your way home, and you see something wearing long robes covering their faces, and some other ones wearing white robes with a hat and a huge beard, and you say, I know that their religion is to kill all Jews and Christians, but I am an atheist, and these guys, well they can not be like those fundamentalists who kills in the name of their Allah.
Aaaauuuooo! these people are innocent and they are peaceful. They will never harm anyone!
What will a bystander think about your incapability to identify danger, and safety?
Or even better yet, do you think your methodology to claim something is dangerous, or safe, is a healthy one?
I know what dangers Atheism, socialism, and communism breeds.
I know what destruction is instructed by Mohammad to Muslims.
I know a snake, a bear, a lion, a spider.
I know who and what to distance myself from.
I also know which religions are no threat to anyone, except in the opposing minds that does not have the capability to distinguish between danger and safe.
It is something a primary school child is capable to achieve, yet you think I am from another planet.
The real question is
When will you take your head out of the hole you dug to escape reality?
Try it.
Oh my fucking God.
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 31, 2018, 08:44:49 AM
I know what dangers Atheism, socialism, and communism breeds.
And yet you couldn't accurately define any of those three terms if I gave you an hour and offered a $1000 reward.
You're an ignoramus who lost touch with reality long ago yet expects to be taken seriously as a learned scholar despite learning little/nothing. A fake coin.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 31, 2018, 10:09:05 AM
And yet you couldn't accurately define any of those three terms if I gave you an hour and offered a $1000 reward.
You're an ignoramus who lost touch with reality long ago yet expects to be taken seriously as a learned scholar despite learning little/nothing. A fake coin.
"IF"
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 31, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
"IF"
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
Ah, but people here don't like White males, not even dead ones (that quote is from Kipling).
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 31, 2018, 08:44:49 AM
I know what dangers Atheism, socialism, and communism breeds.
I know what destruction is instructed by Mohammad to Muslims.
I know a snake, a bear, a lion, a spider.
I know who and what to distance myself from.
I also know which religions are no threat to anyone, except in the opposing minds that does not have the capability to distinguish between danger and safe.
It is something a primary school child is capable to achieve, yet you think I am from another planet.
The real question is
When will you take your head out of the hole you dug to escape reality?
Try it.
Being one of the undug-head-in-sand, I feel free to laugh at you. I think about the damage that religions cause constantly. Most internal violence is due to religion, most external violence is caused by religion. There is no escaping the violence and anger expressed by most religions against one another.
And, if the world was entirely religious in many forms or one united one, we would still all be living in caves ankle-deep in our own feces until we had to seek some new cave. Most scientific advancement has been made by atheists (even if they had to hide their doubts carefully).
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 02:40:32 AM
Being one of the undug-head-in-sand, I feel free to laugh at you. I think about the damage that religions cause constantly. Most internal violence is due to religion, most external violence is caused by religion. There is no escaping the violence and anger expressed by most religions against one another.
Wrong again,
You continue to generalize "religion" with being this terrible thing.
Your straw man is such in this case.
Because the Muslims kill on instruction from their Holy Quran, and there was crusades and horrible kings who called them self Christian, all religion is terrible.
Therefore, the Bible should be discarded.
Well, if you insist on such a practice, I will build my straw man and say, because of Stalin, and Pot Pol, et al, all Atheists are mass murderers!
However sure I am of my error, if yours hold true, so does mine!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 02:40:32 AM
Most scientific advancement has been made by atheists (even if they had to hide their doubts carefully).
And all the foundations of the sciences atheists are making advancements on, was constructed by Christians and Jews a long time ago.
Today there are many scientists (Christian), who are expelled from the intellectual world due to them being nothing more than Christian.
All done by Atheists!
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 01, 2018, 03:15:14 AM
Wrong again,
You continue to generalize "religion" with being this terrible thing.
Your straw man is such in this case.
Because the Muslims kill on instruction from their Holy Quran, and there was crusades and horrible kings who called them self Christian, all religion is terrible.
Therefore, the Bible should be discarded.
Well, if you insist on such a practice, I will build my straw man and say, because of Stalin, and Pot Pol, et al, all Atheists are mass murderers!
No, actually, I disregard the bible on its own internal nonsense.
However sure I am of my error, if yours hold true, so does mine!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 03:20:13 AM
No, actually, I disregard the bible on its own internal nonsense.
However sure I am of my error, if yours hold true, so does mine!
Do you realize what you just said?
:cool:
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 01, 2018, 03:22:53 AM
Do you realize what you just said?
:cool:
I'll let you figure it out.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 03:54:27 AM
I'll let you figure it out.
You dont even know!:evil::laugh:
I planned it this way, and you fell for it!
It is Hillary-ous!!!
Look====
Quote from: CavebearNo, actually, I disregard the bible on its own internal nonsense.
However sure I am of my error, if yours hold true, so does mine!
You are making a wonderful statement that
the Bible is correct without any internal nonsense!Actually, you are doing it in a self destruct mode where
you agree that,
I am wrong in claiming that Atheists are not mass murderers, and if
you claim the Bible is wrong, you know you are wrong.Gotcha!!!
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 01, 2018, 04:28:35 AM
You dont even know!
:evil::laugh:
I planned it this way, and you fell for it!
It is Hillary-ous!!!
Look====
You are making a wonderful statement that the Bible is correct without any internal nonsense!
Actually, you are doing it in a self destruct mode where you agree that, I am wrong in claiming that Atheists are not mass murderers, and if you claim the Bible is wrong, you know you are wrong.
Gotcha!!!
Well, "no". I don't think the christian bible is correct in real ways. I don't doubt that some murderers have been atheist (And many more have been theist), and I have no self-destruct mode. Unlike many theists who hope for a good afterlife or fear a horrible one, when I die, I will just be dead.
"If you claim the Bible is wrong, you know you are wrong". Well, again, "no". The claims of deity in the bible and all other religious texts mean nothing to me. There is no evidence. I care nothing for their claims.
Your assumptions seem rather bizarre to me.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 05:12:27 AM
... Unlike many theists who hope for a good afterlife or fear a horrible one, when I die, I will just be dead...
Your assumptions seem rather bizarre to me.
And yet again, I love to think that when I die, (this body of mine obviously) my Mind and Spirit will continue to live in another body covered in light that will not age.
Am I soothing my mind in an attempt to cover fear of death?
No, not at all.
To me it is just one more fact found in the Bible, and taken that it is correct in science, archaeology, and history, I find it impossible to ignore this one small claim of immortality.
Then again, am I capable to postulate the idea of death is final?
Only if I disregard the Bible and the contents thereof.
I choose not to, therefore if anyone think I am a dreamer in my hope to be more than just a rotting carcass, so be it.
In fact, your assumptions seem totally bizarre to me too!
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 01, 2018, 05:26:07 AM
And yet again, I love to think that when I die, (this body of mine obviously) my Mind and Spirit will continue to live in another body covered in light that will not age.
Am I soothing my mind in an attempt to cover fear of death?
No, not at all.
To me it is just one more fact found in the Bible, and taken that it is correct in science, archaeology, and history, I find it impossible to ignore this one small claim of immortality.
Then again, am I capable to postulate the idea of death is final?
Only if I disregard the Bible and the contents thereof.
I choose not to, therefore if anyone think I am a dreamer in my hope to be more than just a rotting carcass, so be it.
In fact, your assumptions seem totally bizarre to me too!
You are welcome to think that after you die, you will live again. That is your opinion, and one I don't share.
If you find fact in the bible, hurray. Good for you. I and most thinking people don't. And other theists disagree with your particular view. Are they all wrong?
Do you realize that most of the christian bible was written a couple of centuries after the death of the unproven Jesus? Does that concern you in the least bit?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 05:40:01 AM
You are welcome to think that after you die, you will live again. That is your opinion, and one I don't share.
If you find fact in the bible, hurray. Good for you. I and most thinking people don't. And other theists disagree with your particular view. Are they all wrong?
Do you realize that most of the christian bible was written a couple of centuries after the death of the unproven Jesus? Does that concern you in the least bit?
Not only were the New Testament letters written long after Jesus and any alledged witnesses would have been long dead, three of the four Gospels (so called "eye witness accounts") had no authors attributed to them until the Catholics labelled them long after. Not only that, but Matthew and John quote the earlier source Mark verbatim. So contrary to what Christians claim, they were not written independently by different disciples. Mark was written first, and the other two "corrected" it by adding, subtracting, and changing details. Sometimes the changes didn't even make sense and created plot holes in the story. The original Jesus of Mark doesn't even have a virgin birth. All that was shoehorned in later to try to force his story to fit Old Testament prophecies. A census requiring people to return to their home towns? Never happened. That's not how censuses work. Herrod feeling threatened enough by the supposed prophesied "King of the Jews" to have every male child two years and under in a certain town murdered? Laughable, and incidentally never happened.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 05:40:01 AM
Do you realize that most of the christian bible was written a couple of centuries after the death of the unproven Jesus? Does that concern you in the least bit?
Also not true.
The Old testament was written during the centuries between 1450 BC to 480 BC. During the Kings period, 1000 BC to 721 BC the records were kept in the Temple archives and updated and replaced when damaged.
From 721 to 685 BC the religious manuscripts, and the temple were constantly in danger of being destroyed, and eventually the Temple was decimated including the Library on the Temple mount.
The manuscripts were again collected 70 years later, and the Jewish scribes again maintained all the manuscripts we have today.
In 70 Ad the very same situation occurred when Titus destroyed the Temple.
The Old Testament was in personal trust by Jewish Families, and for 850 years re written due to ageing.
This was the oldest manuscript of the OT.
However, for the next 1200 years the Christians and Jews just continued to copy what they had, and in 1948 the Dead sea scrolls were discovered, where multiple Manuscripts of every Old testament book was found, except that of Esther.
Was there any differences between what was re written by Jews and Christians for 2 200 years?
Only more modern words and perhaps a few spelling errors.
But this is evidence to how careful the Christian and Jew protected the OT.
All the books of the New Testament was already in circulation at 68 AD.
Many church fathers' references to the New Testament, such as the Didache, is evidence to this fact.
Furthermore, there is not a single reference to the destruction of Jerusalem, and the Temple, as Christians were told to flee when they saw the armies around Jerusalem.
More than 300 000 Jews perished under Titus, but not a single Christian.
Why, because they took the words of Jesus serious to leave Jerusalem.
Today we have ample evidence that the apostles and Christians, in the first century after Jesus, maintained the manuscripts of the NT even during 300 years of persecution.
What archaeology discovered during the last 100 years made many NT critic silent.
Anyhow, to imply that the Gospel writers were not identifiable is nothing more than wishful thinking.
There is no evidence for this claim at all.
James White, who is a Christian apologist, not only destroyed that accusation, but could not find any sources for that claim.
Let me show you what James White also did to Shabir Ali when he came up with this so called argument that Mark was written first.
He says, thank you for the claim. Because this will mean that Acts was written thereafter.
Acts closed before 60 Ad when Nero persecuted the Christians, and before 70 ad when Titus destroyed the Temple.
If everyone copied Mark, the whole NT dates from before 70 AD!
I am very happy with the date of the Bible, NT and Old.
There are not a single ancient book that was handed down to us for at least 2500 years, only to be confirmed by archaeology as non corrupted and tampered with.
Quote from: Baruch on July 31, 2018, 01:26:00 PM
Ah, but people here don't like White males, not even dead ones (that quote is from Kipling).
Totally, totally wrong!! I LOVE Mickey Mantle--and he's dead.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 01, 2018, 11:44:18 AM
Totally, totally wrong!! I LOVE Mickey Mantle--and he's dead.
Some us are nearly dead White males, and are feeling uncomfortable about that!
Quote from: Baruch on August 01, 2018, 12:47:41 PM
Some us are nearly dead White males, and are feeling uncomfortable about that!
I don't know. I get to know what it feels like to live in a body while it is breaking down..............................
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 01, 2018, 03:18:43 AM
And all the foundations of the sciences atheists are making advancements on, was constructed by Christians and Jews a long time ago.
Today there are many scientists (Christian), who are expelled from the intellectual world due to them being nothing more than Christian.
All done by Atheists!
And most Christian science is based off Hindu and Greek science...
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 01, 2018, 03:26:39 PM
I don't know. I get to know what it feels like to live in a body while it is breaking down..............................
Zombie love, zombie love ...
Skin falls off, like a glove ...
Quote from: Shiranu on August 01, 2018, 03:42:01 PM
And most Christian science is based off Hindu and Greek science...
And they were based off of Babylonian and Egyptian science ... bow down to Marduk and Osiris now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XAQJmAB_iQ
Europeans are Near Eastern wannabes. Even the alef-bet I am typing with, was invented in what is now Lebanon.
More closed minded bullshit from the Mouse. No Christians are being expelled from the scientific community for their faith. Get your head out of your ass and read a book. My Master's thesis was on the correlation between joint prayer and relationship satisfaction for fuck sake. You clearly don't know a bloody thing about science.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 01, 2018, 03:42:01 PM
And most Christian science is based off Hindu and Greek science...
Yet, it was the Christians and Jews who got it all together over the past 500 years.
Why?
Because of the reformation that allowed science to grow.
Everyone is safe under Christianity.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 01, 2018, 10:48:29 PM
More closed minded bullshit from the Mouse. No Christians are being expelled from the scientific community for their faith. Get your head out of your ass and read a book. My Master's thesis was on the correlation between joint prayer and relationship satisfaction for fuck sake. You clearly don't know a bloody thing about science.
You are ripe for the 2008 documentary, "Expelled, no intelligence allowed".
I am not even going to give you links to court cases, complaints, and blatant discrimination on the topic.
You know I am not exaggerating if I say that Atheists are gunning Christians, (and Jews) in educational institutes for their religion.
Anyhow, Why the swearing and personal attacks.
How did you do on your Master's thesis of:
"The correlation between joint prayer and relationship satisfaction for fuck sake".
Is there a subject matter such as "Relationship satisfaction for fuck sake"?
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 02, 2018, 07:10:17 AM
I am not even going to give you links to court cases, complaints, and blatant discrimination on the topic.
Because they don't exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIxvQMhttq4
It's perfectly fine in science to scrape scripture for that initial guess, so long as you test it against reality, and if it fails, you revise that initial guess until it works, or you give up and ditch it. You can use ANY source for that initial guess, or even as inspiration for its revisions, so long as you test the guesses thoroughly against experiment and observation, because
that's where the real work of science is done.
Eleven years in a city named after a faux Saint, but I don't run into religion even daily. If someone says "
have a blessed day" I just ignore them. Other than that kind of thing I don't have an encounter with a outspoken religious person even once a month.
Last time I had a "serious" encounter was when the chaplain at a local hospital came by my room.
"I see you put 'none' for your religious preference. Is there no higher power you ascribe to?"
I looked him in the eye and said "No." in my chief petty officer's voice. He literally ran out of the room.
Sorry, quoting an authority, even Feynman, makes you a Papist ;-)
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 02, 2018, 05:50:17 PM
Because they don't exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIxvQMhttq4
It's perfectly fine in science to scrape scripture for that initial guess, so long as you test it against reality, and if it fails, you revise that initial guess until it works, or you give up and ditch it. You can use ANY source for that initial guess, or even as inspiration for its revisions, so long as you test the guesses thoroughly against experiment and observation, because that's where the real work of science is done.
US Christian students persecuted in University (https://aclj.org/religious-liberty/exposed-christian-students-rejected-failed-and-expelled-for-their-faith-by-state-colleges-and-universities)
And more discrimination against a scientist (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/17/scientist-alleges-religious-discrimination-ky.html)
And... (https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/smithsonian-discriminated-against-scientist-46938)
even NASA (https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/nasa-faces-intelligent-design-lawsuit-1.1179058)
Read just one creationist website (https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/nasa-faces-intelligent-design-lawsuit-1.1179058)
even a fire chief was fired for his religion (https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/john-stonestreet/judge-rules-favor-fired-christian-fire-chief-govt-cant-put-out-fire)
and... (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-evolution-lawsuit/christian-biologist-fired-for-beliefs-suit-says-idUSN1034266020071210)
You know what?
Go and seek the rest and learn...
I have to go back to work again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uOVR7l48g
What is a "higher power/spiritual force" that isn't God? Maybe a genie in a bottle? Maybe an invisible pink unicorn? Or what?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uOVR7l48g
What is a "higher power/spiritual force" that isn't God? Maybe a genie in a bottle? Maybe an invisible pink unicorn? Or what?
G-d does speak indirectly to me, thru humans and other animals.
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
US Christian students persecuted in University (https://aclj.org/religious-liberty/exposed-christian-students-rejected-failed-and-expelled-for-their-faith-by-state-colleges-and-universities)
Or not (http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2017/07/10/appeals-court-schools-can-punish-applicants-who-talk-about-god-in-interview/)
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
And more discrimination against a scientist (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/17/scientist-alleges-religious-discrimination-ky.html)
not admitting wrongdoing but . . . (https://ncse.com/news/2011/01/settlement-gaskell-case-006427)
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
And... (https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/smithsonian-discriminated-against-scientist-46938)
overhyped at best (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternberg_peer_review_controversy#Smithsonian_controversy)
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
even NASA (https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/nasa-faces-intelligent-design-lawsuit-1.1179058)
even NASA won (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/04/local/la-me-1103-jpl-lawsuit-20121104)
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
Read just one creationist website (https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/nasa-faces-intelligent-design-lawsuit-1.1179058)
Posting it twice doesn't make it any more true
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
even a fire chief was fired for his religion (https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/john-stonestreet/judge-rules-favor-fired-christian-fire-chief-govt-cant-put-out-fire)
calling that a "win"? (https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2017/12/20/court-upholds-firing-of-former-atlanta-fire-chief.html)
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
and... (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-evolution-lawsuit/christian-biologist-fired-for-beliefs-suit-says-idUSN1034266020071210)
dismissed on procedural grounds (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-1st-circuit/1041164.html)
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 03, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
Go and seek the rest and learn...
If these were the highlights . . .
I sure hope you don't expect Mousetrap to actually read any of that.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2018, 06:39:25 PM
I sure hope you don't expect Mousetrap to actually read any of that.
Can he read? Mousetrap seems to be a sock puppet to me. Cloth and sewn on buttons.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9FheUCn5GKw
Quote from: Baruch on August 03, 2018, 06:25:35 PM
G-d does speak indirectly to me, thru humans and other animals.
Good for you that you at least understand that humans are "animals".
Quote from: Poison Tree on August 03, 2018, 06:28:07 PM
Or not (http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2017/07/10/appeals-court-schools-can-punish-applicants-who-talk-about-god-in-interview/)
not admitting wrongdoing but . . . (https://ncse.com/news/2011/01/settlement-gaskell-case-006427)
overhyped at best (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternberg_peer_review_controversy#Smithsonian_controversy)
even NASA won (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/04/local/la-me-1103-jpl-lawsuit-20121104)
Posting it twice doesn't make it any more true
calling that a "win"? (https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2017/12/20/court-upholds-firing-of-former-atlanta-fire-chief.html)
dismissed on procedural grounds (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-1st-circuit/1041164.html)
If these were the highlights . . .
Then what were the lowlights?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 02:51:40 AM
Good for you that you at least understand that humans are "animals".
Good. Now get out in your kennel and guard the house. Doggie treat for you. I can own animals.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2018, 06:39:25 PM
I sure hope you don't expect Mousetrap to actually read any of that.
If you dropped the last three words, it would still be mostly accurate.
Well, he isn't here to actually learn anything, but only to preach to us what he believes.
It's about to get even more difficult for non-believers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp9RpEeNn70
Well Sessions does suck at his current job.
On the other hand, the Marxists want to rob, rape and murder everyone. Religious liberty is the least of what they erode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason
Enlightenment utopia didn't last long in its original home. It has persisted a bit longer in Russia, China and other shit-holes. Putin is Satan, he doesn't like Pussy Riot messing with old Russian cathedrals.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 06, 2018, 02:02:40 PM
Well, he isn't here to actually learn anything, but only to preach to us what he believes.
The sad reality of people like mTrap is that he thinks he is changing anyone's views. But better he wastes his time here than bothers lesser-intelligent sites...
This guy had a YouTube channel on atheism for over a year and only recently told his family and friends he's an atheist.
https://youtu.be/zTdv38piRk4
Not clever to out yourself. It is like going outside, locking the door behind you, and realizing the keys are still inside!
Jewish-Nazis need to be a protected identity in the Democrat party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUM6MBsgQTs
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 09, 2018, 07:20:34 PM
This guy had a YouTube channel on atheism for over a year and only recently told his family and friends he's an atheist.
https://youtu.be/zTdv38piRk4
I'm glad the person understood eventually that atheism was a rational decision, but I don't really care too much about his struggle. It is way too common. And that IS the problem. He wouldn't have had to go through a struggle if he choose to go from apolitical to political. He wouldn't have had to struggle to go from Republican to Democrat or vice versa. He wouldn't have had to announce astruggle to go from conservative to liberal.
He had to struggle to accept he was rational. And that is the sad part.
I came out Nazi in Tel Aviv? Probably not a good idea. Best to move to Berlin, and not tell people why.
Moving from D to R or R to D ... isn't hard, it is moving from one extremist to another. And since when is "atheist" a political party or is Alex Jones telling the truth about y'all?
QuoteOpponents to Utah’s medical marijuana ballot initiative argue against it on the basis of religious freedom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhi4iiMjeBo
This is how religion works: I don't like it, so I'll claim my religion is against it, then you can't do it either.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 09, 2018, 07:20:34 PM
This guy had a YouTube channel on atheism for over a year and only recently told his family and friends he's an atheist.
https://youtu.be/zTdv38piRk4
I liked this video. He seems like a really nice guy. I wish I could model his behavior, but I don't think I could ever be so gracious.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 05:26:46 AM
I'm glad the person understood eventually that atheism was a rational decision, but I don't really care too much about his struggle. It is way too common. And that IS the problem. He wouldn't have had to go through a struggle if he choose to go from apolitical to political. He wouldn't have had to struggle to go from Republican to Democrat or vice versa. He wouldn't have had to announce astruggle to go from conservative to liberal.
He had to struggle to accept he was rational. And that is the sad part.
Not to sure about that, in the current climate political standing is felt so strongly by people that if those you know are one way politically, it might cause issues to switch from one to another
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 05:26:46 AM
He had to struggle to accept he was rational. And that is the sad part.
In my case, it is so easy to understand, and it resonates like a metaphorical gong. Or to put it another way: Been there. Done that!
Quote from: SGOS on August 20, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
I liked this video. He seems like a really nice guy. I wish I could model his behavior, but I don't think I could ever be so gracious.
I like Genetically Modified Skeptic, Cosmic Skeptic, and Rationality Rules for YouTube videos from an atheist's perspective.
I like the Cult of Dusty! He doesn't hold anything back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIix2qEa9UE
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2018, 04:32:19 PM
Not to sure about that, in the current climate political standing is felt so strongly by people that if those you know are one way politically, it might cause issues to switch from one to another
Well, for weak people, I suppose. I don't base my conclusions on those people around me.
Quote"In God We Trust," Florida's state motto, now must be displayed at all Florida schools as per a new education bill recently signed into law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjklZjDZ-3Y
Soon the national motto will be "In GOP We Trust."
In God We Trust, it is on the cash and coin. Does it burn when you handle it?
It was a part of Victorian American piety and patriotism. We inherited it.
Some object to the Pledge for the same reason. Stalinists object too.
You guys just dont get it do you?
Atheism, or Atheists are there for Theists to use and to test theories in support to Theism.
Get yourself:
Thank God for Atheists. (https://www.amazon.com/Thank-God-Atheists-Greatest-Skeptics/dp/0736966285)
All we do is to put our info out there and test the sealant we used on skeptics' accusations.
Atheists are the best source of ignorance, and confusion.
Quote from: Mousetrap on August 23, 2018, 09:21:12 AM
You guys just dont get it do you?
Atheism, or Atheists are there for Theists to use and to test theories in support to Theism.
Get yourself:
Thank God for Atheists. (https://www.amazon.com/Thank-God-Atheists-Greatest-Skeptics/dp/0736966285)
All we do is to put our info out there and test the sealant we used on skeptics' accusations.
Atheists are the best source of ignorance, and confusion.
More positively, best hone. Hone meets blade, blade gets sharper.
Quote from: Baruch on August 23, 2018, 05:34:57 AM
In God We Trust, it is on the cash and coin. Does it burn when you handle it?
It was a part of Victorian American piety and patriotism. We inherited it.
Some object to the Pledge for the same reason. Stalinists object too.
It wasn't until 1954 that President Eisenhower added "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. The same President, two years later, also mandated that all American currency have the words "in God we trust" on it. America was founded as a secular government, with protections to prevent any one religion from using the government to force its will on others, but from the very beginning, Christians have been doing everything they can to undermine that.
Soon their agenda will be fulfilled, when America will become a Christian theocracy.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 23, 2018, 05:28:44 PM
It wasn't until 1954 that President Eisenhower added "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. The same President, two years later, also mandated that all American currency have the words "in God we trust" on it. America was founded as a secular government, with protections to prevent any one religion from using the government to force its will on others, but from the very beginning, Christians have been doing everything they can to undermine that.
Last good President we had ;-(
Lincoln refounded the US, in the image of the damn Yankees.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 23, 2018, 05:52:17 PM
Soon their agenda will be fulfilled, when America will become a Christian theocracy.
Forgot the <sarc> tag. No, soon we will all be good Stalinists.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 22, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjklZjDZ-3Y
Soon the national motto will be "In GOP We Trust."
A
A minor detail of the 3rd letter...
Most people will probably never even notice the change.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 27, 2018, 03:19:21 PM
Most people will probably never even notice the change.
Well, the GOD, um, GOP, doesn't.