My brother is a medical student and his one of the academic doctors had said ''there is very powerful evidences that HIV was created in a lab.''
I don't want to make mention of what the medical explanations are but i ''BELIEVE'' that it's true that the conclusion that HIV was genetically engineered is very right...
Like 9/11 is not a terrorist attack. It's just an inside job of the '' DEEP STATE''...
The ghost of the ''PURE EVIL'' is amongs us wandering...
I had an sexsual intercourse with someone i don't know very much and not i have to wait for the tests. ItS very tiring process...
Sorry for the word i chose. I dont believe, I just kind of know it.
If you don't know or believe that 9/11 and HIV is kind of ''planned'' things. Then you are ignorant or deceived.
Lol! That's a good one! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Jason78 on July 15, 2018, 06:15:27 PM
Lol! That's a good one! :rolleyes:
From what perspective?
Theres been a rumor suggesting that it was a mutated strain that passed from a chimp that was able to mutate and pass onto a human when the ape bite him/her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF3JGrt9Zvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izwomieBwG0
@Munch I have heard the monkey theory but it hasn't convinced me.
I am sure that lots and lots of people, too, can't be convinced by this explanation.
What the fuck! I do not feel comfortable when having sex. This is a very hard destiny for the people like me -the obssessed ones-
All humans are petri dishes, even if we don't want to be. But the Deep State doesn't control all the petri dishes yet ;-)
So yes, HIV was produced in a lab, called nature. Per materialism, everything is "nature", so if it happened, then "nature" is responsible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo
Recently the British dug up a victim of the 1918 epidemic, whose body might be the best preserve for original Spanish Flu. The victim was the architect of the current mess in the Middle East. Yes, they are playing with this virus now ... out of empathy ;-))
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/feb/28/health.birdflu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt-VQGNiSWU
Another source for study ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/523163.stm
Basically bird flu from China ... maybe.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 15, 2018, 06:12:41 PM
Sorry for the word i chose. I dont believe, I just kind of know it.
If you don't know or believe that 9/11 and HIV is kind of ''planned'' things. Then you are ignorant or deceived.
There are no plans, even people with plans are deceived ... reality is just random atomic movements.
@Baruch Thanks for the further sources.
But I don't agree with you on ''nature and conscious human'' connection, in the context of materialism.
Of course our physical brains has been shaping by nature... This is for sure.
However;
If a person burns a fire in a forest, is this natural? You said everything is nature.
I mean there is a human part of things, this is by consiciousness...
But if there is lightning and if this were the source of the fire, then it's different.
Humans plan by his will, i think...
If anyone close to you were died in 9/11, so you would say it's atomic movement again?
Evil
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 15, 2018, 07:36:26 PM
@Baruch
Thanks for the further sources.
But I don't agree with you on ''nature and conscious human'' connection, in the context of materialism.
Of course our physical brains has been shaping by nature... This is for sure.
However;
If a person burns a fire in a forest, is this natural? You said everything is nature.
I mean there is a human part of things, this is by consiciousness...
But if there is lightning and if this were the source of the fire, then it's different.
Humans plan by his will, i think...
If anyone close to you were died in 9/11, so you would say it's atomic movement again?
Evil
I was repeating what others say here. Personally, I agree with you ... human agency is somehow un-natural. So materialism/naturalism doesn't work for me. As a humanist it shouldn't.
Also humans are 90% or even 99% unconscious actors. Like icebergs.
No, I don't have any opinions to share about 9/11. And if I did know about germ warfare, I couldn't share that (I don't).
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 15, 2018, 06:09:28 PM
My brother is a medical student and his one of the academic doctors had said ''there is very powerful evidences that HIV was created in a lab.''
I don't want to make mention of what the medical explanations are but i ''BELIEVE'' that it's true that the conclusion that HIV was genetically engineered is very right...
Well maybe, or maybe not. It's certainly possible, but without seeing the evidence, who would really know? I've heard the theory that it the virus mutated in monkeys and crossed over to humans, and I've thought, "Well yeah, that's possible, but I've never heard that theory expressed with a great deal of finality. If it was some deep state conspiracy, I would certainly be pissed, but I don't know that it was some deep state evildoers, or if it was a lab fuck up either.
But it is here, and is a dangerous virus.
Quote from: Baruch on July 15, 2018, 07:42:38 PM
I was repeating what others say here. Personally, I agree with you ... human agency is somehow un-natural. So materialism/naturalism doesn't work for me. As a humanist it shouldn't.
Also humans are 90% or even 99% unconscious actors. Like icebergs.
No, I don't have any opinions to share about 9/11. And if I did know about germ warfare, I couldn't share that (I don't).
Because I am not living in the American society, it may be hard to me to understand your sensations about free speech.
People feel like hiding their opinions. Here is the same: I keep to myself that i am an atheist in Turkey.
All of my dreams about true social democracy and Kemalism has been destroying as i am learning.
The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. -- George SANTAYA
Unfortunately, Baruch is not really a good listener, and once he gets an idea in his head, there's no getting it out of him. Nobody I know has said or even implied that "There are no plans, even people with plans are deceived ... reality is just random atomic movements." I don't think there is anyone here that thinks that agency doesn't exist or that there are no deliberate actions by people. Instead he has twisted our words to his convenience.
I remember one incident where I said that there's no clear delineation between natural and artificial processes, by which I meant that there isn't a thing that man can do that nature does not allow, and as such we leverage natural law to do our bidding. He somehow turned this argument into a conviction that somehow I can't tell the difference between an artificial thing and a natural thing. I've since then been trying to disabuse him of this bizarre notion and strawman, but that man is a stubborn cuss.
That is a straw man I came up on my own. I didn't need your assistance in devising it. But yes, at some point, in apologetics, someone claimed that ... might not have been you though.
Has to do with agency, and how the 4 Aristotelian causes ... have to be applied carefully. There are causes that don't require human agency, or any agency apparently. But some have claimed that there is no agency in anything ... some have claimed that.
It is a speculation, by some, that there is no causality ... because correlation isn't causation ... but taken to the nth degree. I can see that someone might take cause/effect, particularly the human kind, as a delusion. We all have some delusions about control over our own lives.
But ultimately I just see that as a different extreme misapplication of Aristotle, just as implying agency to purely natural processes. But some claim everything is natural, which in that context ... implies that there is no agency at all ... unless you want to claim that Mother nature has agency.
Of course people, including atheists, want to have it both ways ... because honesty isn't a property of human behavior.
Look conspiracy theories aside.
Soldier, sorry for you man; hope everything comes back negative.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 15, 2018, 06:52:35 PM
@Munch
I have heard the monkey theory but it hasn't convinced me.
Because your mind is already made up. Fold arms across chest and glare at people. That's a good boy.
For HIV to have been created in a lab, it would have to have been done some time in the 70's. The 70's, if you recall, was a time when we could barely read our own DNA, much less engineer the DNA of something else.
So yeah, not fucking likely.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 16, 2018, 09:01:29 AM
For HIV to have been created in a lab, it would have to have been done some time in the 70's. The 70's, if you recall, was a time when we could barely read our own DNA, much less engineer the DNA of something else.
So yeah, not fucking likely.
I remember doing donkey work for the labs at Purdue in the late '90s as they struggled to map the human genome. With the computers of the day it was a challenge. With computers twenty years older it would have been an absurd task.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2018, 11:33:27 AM
There is no other than than nature. Humans and non humans are natural. Fire is natural. Everything is natural. Nothing is supernatural, since there is no supernatural; which means whatever god you believe exists is a fiction.
Calm down. If you spontaneously combust, we will have to treat you as a legend.
Whatever politician y'all believe in, even if a real person, is a pile of shit. You replaced G-d with ... a human monster. Go worship Pharaoh Hillary.
Quote from: Baruch on July 16, 2018, 01:15:14 PM
Calm down. If you spontaneously combust, we will have to treat you as a legend.
Whatever politician y'all believe in, even if a real person, is a pile of shit. You replaced G-d with ... a human monster. Go worship Pharaoh Hillary.
Not sure why you theists can't understand this point. I did not 'replace' god with anything. God never was and therefore cannot be replaced. I did not replace that skyscraper that was not in my front yard with anything. God is a fiction and does not need to be replaced; nor does any other fiction you can manufacture.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2018, 01:56:34 PM
Not sure why you theists can't understand this point. I did not 'replace' god with anything. God never was and therefore cannot be replaced. I did not replace that skyscraper that was not in my front yard with anything. God is a fiction and does not need to be replaced; nor does any other fiction you can manufacture.
People who have been told all their life that one leg is shorter than the other need a crutch.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2018, 01:56:34 PM
Not sure why you theists can't understand this point. I did not 'replace' god with anything. God never was and therefore cannot be replaced. I did not replace that skyscraper that was not in my front yard with anything. God is a fiction and does not need to be replaced; nor does any other fiction you can manufacture.
Your whole POV is fiction, so like the dragon who was tricked by a puzzle, you should disappear into yourself, from the recursive inconsistency.
Quote from: Baruch on July 16, 2018, 06:36:26 PM
Your whole POV is fiction, so like the dragon who was tricked by a puzzle, you should disappear into yourself, from the recursive inconsistency.
My POV is ficrional? Could be I suppose. I don't know everything, that's for sure and I can only view the world from my own eyes, so I guess much of what I think is real is fiction. One thing that I know is fiction is your god (or G_D--don't want to piss Bugs, er, your god off by calling it by the wrong name). Your entire world is based on this fiction of yours, so you calling my POV as fictional is kinda funny, actually. :))
The word "God" is not a name, it's a title - like king. The king's name is not King! People who think God's name is God are just plain stupid.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 16, 2018, 07:47:49 PM
The word "God" is not a name, it's a title - like king. The king's name is not King! People who think God's name is God are just plain stupid.
isn't the fact they believe in a sky daddy that created everything by definition a question on their level of intellect?
Well, yeah, there is that! ;-)
Baruch, if agency is to have any meaning whatsoever, you have to be able to distinguish between actions that have them vs. actions that don't. In a world where only material causes for things have ever been in evidence, and how neuroscience is increasingly showing how the human brain works and in particular how it makes choices, the guys who say that agency is an illusion and all human action is natural do kind of have a point. Yet that doesn't preclude a way of defining agency such that it does make sense in a naturalistic, materialistic world where current neuroscience holds, even if it is bizarre to our mundane understanding.
I even argue that it the apparent contradictions atheists seem to commit may be because the question is simply ill-framed to begin with: the relevant comparison is not action with agency vs. natural action, but rather action with agency vs. action without agency. The former, I think, is not a true dichotomy, whereas the latter is. It's not that anyone is lying,
per se, but that the entire conversation is kind of wonky to begin with.
@SoldierofFortune To your comment, "If a person burns a fire in a forest, is this natural?" I answer, it's natural (ie, not supernatural), but because of the human involved, not without intent or agency. There's a difference. This is the fine point I have to put on
@Mike Cl's comment.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2018, 07:45:28 PM
My POV is ficrional? Could be I suppose. I don't know everything, that's for sure and I can only view the world from my own eyes, so I guess much of what I think is real is fiction. One thing that I know is fiction is your god (or G_D--don't want to piss Bugs, er, your god off by calling it by the wrong name). Your entire world is based on this fiction of yours, so you calling my POV as fictional is kinda funny, actually. :))
You are a human. Plato is wrong. There are no eternal forms that your Greek organ can intuit. It is fiction all the way down ... though based on actual events ... this is Hollywood, this is Hollywood ...
Quote from: Munch on July 16, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
isn't the fact they believe in a sky daddy that created everything by definition a question on their level of intellect?
Why, our own forum proves that all chess players are master race, and all chess players are atheists, so ...
If a computer can play chess better than a human, maybe people should stop playing it.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 16, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
@SoldierofFortune
To your comment, "If a person burns a fire in a forest, is this natural?" I answer, it's natural (ie, not supernatural), but because of the human involved, not without intent or agency. There's a difference. This is the fine point I have to put on @Mike Cl's comment.
I agree with your fine point. A fire started by an arsonist is quite different than one started by lightening. My only point is that neither fire is supernatural.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2018, 11:21:47 PM
I agree with your fine point. A fire started by an arsonist is quite different than one started by lightening. My only point is that neither fire is supernatural.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 16, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
Baruch, if agency is to have any meaning whatsoever, you have to be able to distinguish between actions that have them vs. actions that don't. In a world where only material causes for things have ever been in evidence, and how neuroscience is increasingly showing how the human brain works and in particular how it makes choices, the guys who say that agency is an illusion and all human action is natural do kind of have a point. Yet that doesn't preclude a way of defining agency such that it does make sense in a naturalistic, materialistic world where current neuroscience holds, even if it is bizarre to our mundane understanding.
I even argue that it the apparent contradictions atheists seem to commit may be because the question is simply ill-framed to begin with: the relevant comparison is not action with agency vs. natural action, but rather action with agency vs. action without agency. The former, I think, is not a true dichotomy, whereas the latter is. It's not that anyone is lying, per se, but that the entire conversation is kind of wonky to begin with.
@SoldierofFortune
To your comment, "If a person burns a fire in a forest, is this natural?" I answer, it's natural (ie, not supernatural), but because of the human involved, not without intent or agency. There's a difference. This is the fine point I have to put on @Mike Cl's comment.
You are always mixing and minimizing ... ontologically. Here I can give you a unified field theory of code/language.
We only need one letter. Here is the language ... (yes, borrowed from Zermelo etc)
a
aa
aaa
etc ...
You can arbitrarily map that sequence to any integer series or any written language or both. Therefore ... all numbers are "a" and all words are "a".
Or like Parmenides, who invented logic, for reductio absurdum .. have we simply identified a clear reductio and that we ourselves are absurd?
If I say all of reality is cheese (see Moon) ... there is no way to "disprove" that ... because I will cleverly re-define "cheese" to mean the same as any counter-example you come up with. Or use any other word, and abuse it ... say "nature"?
And nature? In false dichotomy ... all languages fail because of this. There is no such thing as nature or super-nature or any other fake opposites. Black and white are the same thing (in reductionism they have to be). Monkeys engage in language using words they don't understand. Or you can refer to a dictionary, which is a giant nest of circular definitions aka logically invalid. So what is real? Two monkeys entertaining each other by throwing poo.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 15, 2018, 06:52:35 PM
@Munch
I have heard the monkey theory but it hasn't convinced me.
I am sure that lots and lots of people, too, can't be convinced by this explanation.
What the fuck! I do not feel comfortable when having sex. This is a very hard destiny for the people like me -the obssessed ones-
Well, quite frankly, with the way you would indoctrinate a child, the less often you have sex, the better the gene pool is...
Who know the existence of "Operation INFEKTION" ?
It was an operation realised by KGB (Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti / Committee for State Security) or КÐ"Ð' (КомиÑ,еÌÑ, гоÑудаÌÑ€ÑÑ,венной безопаÌÑноÑÑ,и) in cyrilic who was the main inteligence service of USSR.
It was a disinformation campaign to spread information that the United States of America invented HIV/AIDS.
The MfS (Ministerium für Staatssicherheit / State Security Service) commonly known as the Stasi was the East-German inteligence service.
It did collaborated to this operation.
Wikipedia will told you more about KGB : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB
Wikipedia will speak to you about Stasi : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
Wikipedia will inform you about this operation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION
Quote from: Baruch on July 16, 2018, 11:26:48 PM
You are always mixing and minimizing ... ontologically. Here I can give you a unified field theory of code/language.
We only need one letter. Here is the language ... (yes, borrowed from Zermelo etc)
a
aa
aaa
etc ...
You can arbitrarily map that sequence to any integer series or any written language or both. Therefore ... all numbers are "a" and all words are "a".
Or like Parmenides, who invented logic, for reductio absurdum .. have we simply identified a clear reductio and that we ourselves are absurd?
If I say all of reality is cheese (see Moon) ... there is no way to "disprove" that ... because I will cleverly re-define "cheese" to mean the same as any counter-example you come up with. Or use any other word, and abuse it ... say "nature"?
And nature? In false dichotomy ... all languages fail because of this. There is no such thing as nature or super-nature or any other fake opposites. Black and white are the same thing (in reductionism they have to be). Monkeys engage in language using words they don't understand. Or you can refer to a dictionary, which is a giant nest of circular definitions aka logically invalid. So what is real? Two monkeys entertaining each other by throwing poo.
All I got out of that is that you believe you are right, and someone else is wrong, beyond that I have no idea how it relates to any previous comment, and I'm too tired to try to conjure up a satisfying explanation for what you are talking about. Fending off a threat with incomprehensible gibberish probably stops people in their tracks, but it's downside is that you often end up sounding like a crazy person, especially when the strategy is overused.
There are always crazy people attracted to atheist sites. They come, they go...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 08:34:46 AM
There are always crazy people attracted to atheist sites. They come, they go...
It might be the whole Internet. I don't know, but there are a disproportionate number of crazies a various sites I've been too. Granted I haven't been to many, but it's different that real life. The question is, "Is it really different from actual real life, or just my real life?" Could it be that the cross section we see at Internet sites more closely resembles the population that's "out there" than the more limited circle of my own (or your own) friends? On the net, the population at large is free to come and go. Now I have met some crazy theists out there, as well as some who are wonderful people, but here the non-fanatical and more thoughtful theists never show up. They represent the crème de la crème of the nut cases. In real life, perhaps I filter these out from my groups and have a developed a skewed perception of what most people are like.
Quote from: SGOS on July 21, 2018, 09:06:46 AM
It might be the whole Internet. I don't know, but there are a disproportionate number of crazies a various sites I've been too. Granted I haven't been to many, but it's different that real life. The question is, "Is it really different from actual real life, or just my real life?" Could it be that the cross section we see at Internet sites more closely resembles the population that's "out there" than the more limited circle of my own (or your own) friends? On the net, the population at large is free to come and go. Now I have met some crazy theists out there, as well as some who are wonderful people, but here the non-fanatical and more thoughtful theists never show up. They represent the crème de la crème of the nut cases. In real life, perhaps I filter these out from my groups and have a developed a skewed perception of what most people are like.
No the crazy theists probably are pretty representative of the whole lot. As far as I can tell anyway. I mean seriously, look at Baruch. He's NUTS and he is probably among the smarter bananas in the bunch, right? What does that say about the rest of them?
Quote from: viocjit on July 21, 2018, 07:23:54 AM
Who know the existence of "Operation INFEKTION" ?
It was an operation realised by KGB (Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti / Committee for State Security) or КÐ"Ð' (КомиÑ,еÌÑ, гоÑудаÌÑ€ÑÑ,венной безопаÌÑноÑÑ,и) in cyrilic who was the main inteligence service of USSR.
It was a disinformation campaign to spread information that the United States of America invented HIV/AIDS.
The MfS (Ministerium für Staatssicherheit / State Security Service) commonly known as the Stasi was the East-German inteligence service.
It did collaborated to this operation.
Wikipedia will told you more about KGB : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB
Wikipedia will speak to you about Stasi : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
Wikipedia will inform you about this operation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
This included German scientists who worked on chemical warfare and germ warfare in the concentration camps .. not just rocket men like Von Braun. Technically, because of his involvement in the V2 project, Von Braun was also guilty of war crimes in England.
Quote from: SGOS on July 21, 2018, 09:06:46 AM
It might be the whole Internet. I don't know, but there are a disproportionate number of crazies a various sites I've been too. Granted I haven't been to many, but it's different that real life. The question is, "Is it really different from actual real life, or just my real life?" Could it be that the cross section we see at Internet sites more closely resembles the population that's "out there" than the more limited circle of my own (or your own) friends? On the net, the population at large is free to come and go. Now I have met some crazy theists out there, as well as some who are wonderful people, but here the non-fanatical and more thoughtful theists never show up. They represent the crème de la crème of the nut cases. In real life, perhaps I filter these out from my groups and have a developed a skewed perception of what most people are like.
The germ warfare unit that Japan ran in N Korea during WW II wasn't fantasy ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShirÅ_Ishii General McArthur saved their people from war crimes trials also. Why? They turned over the results of their research.
viocjit was just making a comparison. I know for a fact that the US is capable of deliberately killing billions of people (supposedly for retaliation if the Cold War went hot) ... I am surprised that they haven't done so, even post-Soviet Union. This is why Putin has to keep making very threatening statements toward NATO and the US ... because they take our threat to extinct them, seriously. General Ripper (from Dr Strangelove) is typical of people posting here (provided that it isn't Democrats colluding with Russia).
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 09:52:22 AM
The germ warfare unit that Japan ran in N Korea during WW II wasn't fantasy ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShirÅ_Ishii General McArthur saved their people from war crimes trials also. Why? They turned over the results of their research.
viocjit was just making a comparison. I know for a fact that the US is capable of deliberately killing billions of people (supposedly for retaliation if the Cold War went hot) ... I am surprised that they haven't done so, even post-Soviet Union. This is why Putin has to keep making very threatening statements toward NATO and the US ... because they take our threat to extinct them, seriously.
That is a content-free site which does not surprise me in the least.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 09:56:05 AM
That is a content-free site which does not surprise me in the least.
Pathetic .. go back to sleep.
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 09:56:45 AM
Pathetic .. go back to sleep.
I visited the site.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 10:04:41 AM
I visited the site.
You read all of Wikipedia, or you have superior sources on the Japanese germ warfare experiments? Really?
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 15, 2018, 06:09:28 PM
My brother is a medical student and his one of the academic doctors had said ''there is very powerful evidences that HIV was created in a lab.''
Um. No.
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 10:12:29 AM
You read all of Wikipedia, or you have superior sources on the Japanese germ warfare experiments? Really?
Don't you ever tire about being an idiot? I visited the link in a post and there was no content there. I said nothing more and nothing less about it.
But YOU couldn't keep your fingers off your keyboard could you? You just HAD to say SOMETHING and prove yourself a fool. Congrats for continuing a long history of stupid replies...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 12:29:57 PM
Don't you ever tire about being an idiot? I visited the link in a post and there was no content there. I said nothing more and nothing less about it.
But YOU couldn't keep your fingers off your keyboard could you? You just HAD to say SOMETHING and prove yourself a fool. Congrats for continuing a long history of stupid replies...
There are no links in the original OP, and lots of links afterward. Your dismissal of content ... is maniacal.
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 02:29:02 PM
There are no links in the original OP, and lots of links afterward. Your dismissal of content ... is maniacal.
As usual, you trumpicate. I did not refer to the OP.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 02:52:16 PM
As usual, you trumpicate. I did not refer to the OP.
Didn't think so, but you took the bait, Big Fish (the movie)
Cavebear, the URL Baruch posted was a badly parsed one that our link software didn't recognize. Paste the whole URL into your bar, and it brings you to an actual article.
But, Baruch, bad form for not realizing that not all of your URL was underlined in preview, which is a good indicator of this problem.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 15, 2018, 06:09:28 PM
My brother is a medical student and his one of the academic doctors had said ''there is very powerful evidences that HIV was created in a lab.''
I don't want to make mention of what the medical explanations are but i ''BELIEVE'' that it's true that the conclusion that HIV was genetically engineered is very right...
Like 9/11 is not a terrorist attack. It's just an inside job of the '' DEEP STATE''...
The ghost of the ''PURE EVIL'' is amongs us wandering...
I had an sexsual intercourse with someone i don't know very much and not i have to wait for the tests. ItS very tiring process...
You say that someone said that someone said "X" and you believe it.
Why?
Unit 731 was horribly real. The wild ass claims made about got struck by lighting at Lakehurst, New Jersey and are still going down in flames, however.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 21, 2018, 08:16:26 PM
Unit 731 was horribly real. The wild ass claims made about got struck by lighting at Lakehurst, New Jersey and are still going down in flames, however.
No reportage is real, if it was, it wouldn't be covered. Just like if voting mattered, they wouldn't allow it.
The idea that only Japanese in WW II can think up evil ... is stupid. But it is stupidity that let fascism get so bad, both because lots of people supported it, and because soy boys wouldn't fight it (except for Abraham Lincoln brigade in Spain and Flying Tigers in China).
It is vitally important that everyone believe some kind of fantasy, because the truth is so horrible, that if people accepted that, they would kill themselves.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 21, 2018, 06:34:08 PM
Cavebear, the URL Baruch posted was a badly parsed one that our link software didn't recognize. Paste the whole URL into your bar, and it brings you to an actual article.
But, Baruch, bad form for not realizing that not all of your URL was underlined in preview, which is a good indicator of this problem.
I cut and pasted it a second time, and it is still broken. Must be Wikipedia. Here is the higher up article ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Here is the US story, including the part admitting we got our knowhow from Japan and Germany ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_112
And the Soviet story ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program
The non-religion part of head-up-ass among people here, continues to be breathtaking.
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 09:52:22 AM
The germ warfare unit that Japan ran in N Korea during WW II wasn't fantasy ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShirÅ_Ishii General McArthur saved their people from war crimes trials also. Why? They turned over the results of their research.
viocjit was just making a comparison. I know for a fact that the US is capable of deliberately killing billions of people (supposedly for retaliation if the Cold War went hot) ... I am surprised that they haven't done so, even post-Soviet Union. This is why Putin has to keep making very threatening statements toward NATO and the US ... because they take our threat to extinct them, seriously. General Ripper (from Dr Strangelove) is typical of people posting here (provided that it isn't Democrats colluding with Russia).
Excuse me , but which comparison did I made ?
"Produced" in a lab and "kept alive in a lab" are two very different things.
https://youtu.be/3_a181Xkla4
Quote from: viocjit on July 25, 2018, 08:12:11 AM
Excuse me , but which comparison did I made ?
You were implying ... about one biowarfare program vs another.
Quote from: Mermaid on July 25, 2018, 07:02:35 PM
https://youtu.be/3_a181Xkla4
Hey--where can I get some of this moss?????
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 25, 2018, 08:57:43 PM
Hey--where can I get some of this moss?????
Keith Richards or Mick Jagger.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 26, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
Keith Richards or Mick Jagger.
Richards--for the stuff he has done and he just keeps ticking on.............I bet he has a literal ton of that stuff.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 26, 2018, 12:15:08 PM
Richards--for the stuff he has done and he just keeps ticking on.............I bet he has a literal ton of that stuff.
Silly boy, you know that Rolling Stone gather no moss.
Quote from: Baruch on July 25, 2018, 08:11:18 PM
You were implying ... about one biowarfare program vs another.
I don't think my message was a comparison.
Yes! According to Alan Cantwell, MD. He published a book titled, "AIDS AND THE DOCTOR'S OF DEATH" IN 1988.
The book recalls during the Reagan years the US government offered FREE vaccinations to Gay men in NYC and San Francisco to prevent Hepatitis C. Why? Because Gay men were more likely to get Hepatitis C than straight men and the Feds just wanted to help them. So, Gay men on both sides of the country rolled up their sleeves and had 'something' injected into their blood because the Reagan administration cared so much about them.
Not too long after that the AIDS epidemic broke out in NYC and San Francisco.
I didn't know antivax stupidity went back that far.
Quote from: justme on July 30, 2018, 05:52:31 PM
Yes! According to Alan Cantwell, MD. He published a book titled, "AIDS AND THE DOCTOR'S OF DEATH" IN 1988.
The book recalls during the Reagan years the US government offered FREE vaccinations to Gay men in NYC and San Francisco to prevent Hepatitis C. Why? Because Gay men were more likely to get Hepatitis C than straight men and the Feds just wanted to help them. So, Gay men on both sides of the country rolled up their sleeves and had 'something' injected into their blood because the Reagan administration cared so much about them.
Not too long after that the AIDS epidemic broke out in NYC and San Francisco.
Why do people come up with these theories? Is it more fun than doing your homework and reading about the actual factual events that took place? Epidemiology is super interesting. I recommend it.
I work for the government. Of course you shouldn't trust it. But it isn't reptilian aliens either.
Quote from: Baruch on July 30, 2018, 06:58:52 PM
I work for the government. Of course you shouldn't trust it. But it isn't reptilian aliens either.
I like this joke . The reptilians either lol !
For which government are you working ?
Quote from: viocjit on July 31, 2018, 04:10:38 AM
I like this joke . The reptilians either lol !
For which government are you working ?
He's from Baruchistan.
Quote from: viocjit on July 31, 2018, 04:10:38 AM
I like this joke . The reptilians either lol !
For which government are you working ?
USA, USA, USA!
But I like people from other countries.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 31, 2018, 06:18:00 AM
He's from Baruchistan.
Don't tread on my memes - early Kekistan flag.
There are crazies everywhere. The "Former States Of The Soviet Union" are full of them. But they are mostly in churches.