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Title: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 13, 2018, 06:11:01 PM
didn't know where else to put this...

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/09/pedophiles-lgbt-community/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

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PEDOPHILES BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE A PART OF THE LGBT COMMUNITY

Pedophiles are rebranding themselves as “MAPs” or “Minor Attracted Persons” in an effort to gain acceptance and be included into the LGBT community.

According to Urban Dictionary, the blanket term MAP includes infantophiles (infants), pedophiles (pre-pubescent children), hebephiles (pubescent children), and ephebophiles (post-pubescent children). Some MAPs also refer to themselves as NOMAPs or “Non-Offending Minor Attracted Persons”.

These pedophiles seek to be a part of the LGBT+ community, even going so far as to make a “Pride” flag for Gay Pride Month.

(https://i.imgur.com/Bpw9hSI.jpg)

The “MAP/NOMAP community” tries to pull at people’s heartstrings by claiming that pedophiles are misunderstood marginalized people, and that as long as their attraction to children is not acted upon —  or in some cases when they get permission from the child — that they should not be villainized.

Sites such as “The Prevention Project” claim to be aimed at helping children, posting quotes like the one below, reminiscent of testimonials of struggling gay youth, under headlines like “everyone needs support”.

“John” was suicidal. He had been bullied by trolls on social media for most of his life for being different. The bullies were primarily people who claimed, based on their  religious beliefs, that “John” was going to hell and deserved to die. They described how they would kill him on his twitter page and people supported their hate. Desperate for help, John sought treatment for his shame, depression, and suicidality. Although he was scared to share about himself with a stranger, he felt desperate for help as he had NO desire to harm anyone, ever. Once he shared about his attraction to children, his therapist told him, “I don’t treat sex offenders.”

Many blogs exist on Tumblr showing support for MAPs, claiming that they should be a part of the LGBT community and attempting to create “safe spaces” for these “minor attracted persons”. The blog “Pedophiles about Pedophilia” also presents many sob stories of “marginalized” pedophiles in pretty pastel colors, claiming that they mean no harm and just want to be loved like everyone else as shown in such headlines as “Why Pedophilia And Pedophiles Are Not A Risk To Children”, “Growing Up A Pedophile” and “How I came out as an anti-contact pedophile to the woman I love”.

This name change seems to follow in the liberal trend of rebranding things by giving them more “politically correct” names, but is the next step really normalizing pedophilia?

I'd love to believe this wasn't serious, but I'm reminded me live in a fucked up sometimes.

further stuff revealed on it on twitter:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/788138346459623424?lang=en

and there is a charge.org petition for it.

https://www.change.org/p/everyone-involved-in-the-lgbt-prevent-the-pedosexual-movement

This is so fucked. But I can't help but feel this is where a balance isn't drawn in terms of open social policy to things. In the last decade we've been given the rights things like gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals and trans have faught for, and this is all great. But it seems like with something like this, the door was left open to long, and the dregs of society want in on some of that as well.

This creates a major problem because if pedophiles at there begin to try and make out they want to have the same rights as LGBT people, and even be part of it, it could create a stigma as part of that community even if the LGBT community don't want them in any part of it.


Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: SGOS on July 13, 2018, 06:27:18 PM
Yeah, this is weird.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 13, 2018, 06:32:33 PM
Yeah, this is weird.

no, weirdness is turning your tv upside down and sitting on your head to watch it, or dressing yourself in bacon and calling it art.

This is fucked up.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 13, 2018, 06:54:43 PM
That's gotta be some troll of some sort that news thinks is real. They know they're predators, don't they?


Even if they DID want to be included in that ever expanding set of letters, the lgbt community wouldn't allow it. They already are accused of being pedos and hate it. They would never accept them in the circle...
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 13, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
The fact that the OP-author has a fish in his name makes me think this is some april fools joke.

At the least makes me hope that it is.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 13, 2018, 07:44:09 PM
The fact that the OP-author has a fish in his name makes me think this is some april fools joke.

At the least makes me hope that it is.

I thought that too, hoped it was a joke too, but the charge.org petition makes me think it might be a legit thing these fuckers are asking for.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 13, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
What's next? Necrophilia?
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 13, 2018, 08:02:06 PM
What's next? Necrophilia?

funny enough thats exactly what I said to my bf when he showed me the article.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 08:05:15 PM
That's gotta be some troll of some sort that news thinks is real. They know they're predators, don't they?


Even if they DID want to be included in that ever expanding set of letters, the lgbt community wouldn't allow it. They already are accused of being pedos and hate it. They would never accept them in the circle...

Democrats are the big tent party, they will accept anyone who will pledge fealty to the Clintons.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 08:07:43 PM
no, weirdness is turning your tv upside down and sitting on your head to watch it, or dressing yourself in bacon and calling it art.

This is fucked up.

No, it is a Youtube channel ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8u8Z3bUQfs
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 08:08:32 PM
What's next? Necrophilia?

Are you against victimless crime?  Funeral homes do that all the time ;-)
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 13, 2018, 11:49:56 PM
This got me thinking about this guy that came to our forum a while back who was preaching that his pedophilia should be paraded and fought for.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 14, 2018, 12:00:42 AM
This got me thinking about this guy that came to our forum a while back who was preaching that his pedophilia should be paraded and fought for.

Well one can slice and dice as to when the age of consent is.  In ancient times, it was 13 (but for marriage arranged by your parents).
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 14, 2018, 01:20:05 AM
Wr not talking about 13 and up jail bait we're mostly talking about 13 and down.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: pr126 on July 14, 2018, 02:32:20 AM
They should "revert" first, then it is fine.

 A Complete Guide to Pedophilia in Islam  (http://islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/pedophilia-in-islam/pedophilia-islam.htm#Ch1)

Quran 33:21
Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 14, 2018, 03:54:07 AM
This got me thinking about this guy that came to our forum a while back who was preaching that his pedophilia should be paraded and fought for.

Eh, almost forgot about him. I don't think he was trolling either -_-
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 14, 2018, 07:16:13 AM
Wr not talking about 13 and up jail bait we're mostly talking about 13 and down.

The regulars yes ... debate about the exact age of consent.  Most people here would diddle a willing partner around the age of consent.  But that other guy, he was always giving bad vibes ... but I don't think even he proposed sex with little kids. (sarc)
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: _Xenu_ on July 14, 2018, 10:49:32 AM
Honestly, as long as no kids are being molested, I don't really care. If they recognize it as a sickness and seek help they should be left alone.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 14, 2018, 12:22:07 PM
Honestly, as long as no kids are being molested, I don't really care. If they recognize it as a sickness and seek help they should be left alone.

But what about thought crime and pre-crime?  Are you supporting criminality?
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: pr126 on July 14, 2018, 01:34:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCUjZzuMQq8
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 14, 2018, 03:39:49 PM
I think he summed it up perfectly. Just because something turns you on, that doesn't make it a sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 14, 2018, 05:03:36 PM
I think he summed it up perfectly. Just because something turns you on, that doesn't make it a sexual orientation.

But we have soo many sexual orientations now
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 14, 2018, 05:30:42 PM
But we have soo many sexual orientations now

I'm turned on by muscled hairy men, anthromorphic characters and .. Some stuff on pornhub I'll not mention, those turn on's don't count as my sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 14, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
I'm turned on by muscled hairy men, anthromorphic characters and .. Some stuff on pornhub I'll not mention, those turn on's don't count as my sexual orientation.

Twas sarcastic
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 14, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
Twas sarcastic

I was more just adding something to it, theres bound to be loads of people who think their kinks count as sexual orientation .
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Jason78 on July 14, 2018, 08:31:58 PM
This creates a major problem because if pedophiles at there begin to try and make out they want to have the same rights as LGBT people, and even be part of it, it could create a stigma as part of that community even if the LGBT community don't want them in any part of it.

They might as well try wishing for a horse made of gold.   It's not going to happen. 
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 14, 2018, 09:03:42 PM
They might as well try wishing for a horse made of gold.   It's not going to happen.

funny when I linked this story to my mother and talked about it, she said the exact same thing. I agree, the lgbt community will never stand for it
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Shiranu on July 14, 2018, 09:24:05 PM
The more I think about this, the more I realise just how many parallels there are between public opinion of pedophiles today and the LGBT community around the turn of the century. I don't think that however necessarily discredits that opinion however as there is a fundamental difference between the two communities; one is between consenting adults, the other is not.

I do feel that we should have a sense of compassion and/or pity for pedophiles; there is, fundamentally, some sort of psychological/biological reason they feel the way they do and thus they are sick.

That said, that compassion should only extend as far as we would any other "deviant" disorder; we don't try to normalize and destigmatize alcoholism because it hurts people, we don't try and offer leniency to wife beaters just because there is something wrong in their head or they had a bad childhood. Pedophilia by it's nature is a condition that will always cause victims if acted upon, and as such should never be discussed in a positive matter or, even worse, attempt to be normalized and accepted into society.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 14, 2018, 09:38:43 PM
For studies into the psychological aspects of what makes a pedophile the way they are, that is the only thing i would given it pause for thought over.

I will have sympathy for victims of rape or who were abused as children. i will never extend that to people who have sexual desires for children, if someone isn't able to comprehend the immorality of sex with a non-consenting entity like a child or an animal, then the only thing I see done with them is being locked up until they can be psychologically treated for it, or if never doing so, kept locked up.

Even if a pedophile has never done anything to a child, theres plenty of cases of them who have downloaded child porn, and that contributes to the harm done to children.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 14, 2018, 10:24:39 PM
For studies into the psychological aspects of what makes a pedophile the way they are, that is the only thing i would given it pause for thought over.

I will have sympathy for victims of rape or who were abused as children. i will never extend that to people who have sexual desires for children, if someone isn't able to comprehend the immorality of sex with a non-consenting entity like a child or an animal, then the only thing I see done with them is being locked up until they can be psychologically treated for it, or if never doing so, kept locked up.

Even if a pedophile has never done anything to a child, theres plenty of cases of them who have downloaded child porn, and that contributes to the harm done to children.

Is loli child pornography though? Japan and anime fans say no, the rest of the world says yes. I have fapped to loli and want to hang myself for such disgusting thoughts. W should have a psycho ward for every otau on the plant.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 14, 2018, 10:26:56 PM
Com to think of it most hentai is Jailbait. Definitely its a problem.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 14, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
funny when I linked this story to my mother and talked about it, she said the exact same thing. I agree, the lgbt community will never stand for it

Gay Nazis!

The Puritans here will outlaw sex with 2 dimensional images any day ;-)  It is even a law in the US, that even anime pedophilia is a felony ... not just live acting, or a rape film.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 15, 2018, 05:04:13 AM
Com to think of it most hentai is Jailbait. Definitely its a problem.

Honestly I find it disturbing when I see obviously underaged characters in things like yaoi and similar gay porn animations, but that's probably the only kind of media I'd not say you should be locked away for having an interest in, just really fucked up.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Shiranu on July 15, 2018, 05:14:49 AM
I don't actually disagree with you, but it is an interesting argument of, "Pedophilia, or the imitation of it, is wrong... except in cases where it's already become normalized, and then I guess it's okay even if it's not for me."

I am not a fan of it, but animated pedophilia is not on the scale of "things that need to be banned" for me. You also have things like guro and other really disturbing animation, but I don't necessarily think it should be banned either. I try to be consistent with "if there is no victim, there is no crime"... though stuff like this certainly pushes that.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 15, 2018, 05:30:22 AM
I agree, there is no victim in it since it's animation. Same would be applied if someone enjoyed animated corpse fucking. But it's still this thing that's giving people with these fucked up desires something to focus on and achieve that satisfaction as if it's something they can normalize, which it shouldn't be normalized.
 That itself opens up the possibility of them thinking if one thing can be normalized in animation, maybe they can justify that with something in real life.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2018, 06:11:05 AM
Kinda sends out a bad message out about our society tho
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 15, 2018, 06:23:36 AM
Kinda sends out a bad message out about our society tho

Which one?
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 15, 2018, 09:51:36 AM
I agree, there is no victim in it since it's animation. Same would be applied if someone enjoyed animated corpse fucking. But it's still this thing that's giving people with these fucked up desires something to focus on and achieve that satisfaction as if it's something they can normalize, which it shouldn't be normalized.
 That itself opens up the possibility of them thinking if one thing can be normalized in animation, maybe they can justify that with something in real life.

We all achieve normalization one way or another.  How to deal with a medical or psychological problem?  Society has no clue.  I would ban writing of politics, because it makes politics seem normal (it is feral sociopathy).
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2018, 03:40:49 PM
Which one?

Th kind where we fuck carrtoon children despite banning child pornography and jailing pedos.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 15, 2018, 04:01:49 PM
I thought that too, hoped it was a joke too, but the charge.org petition makes me think it might be a legit thing these fuckers are asking for.
anyone can make a change.org petition about anything
Change.org doesn't do shit. It doesnt change anything. it doesn't accomplish anything.

I've done change.org petitions as memes and it doesnt do anything. All of the change.org petitions Ive seen have never amounted to anything. It's just a way to blow some hot air
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on July 15, 2018, 04:10:29 PM
anyone can make a change.org petition about anything
Change.org doesn't do shit. It doesnt change anything. it doesn't accomplish anything.

I've done change.org petitions as memes and it doesnt do anything. All of the change.org petitions Ive seen have never amounted to anything. It's just a way to blow some hot air

Most likely it is useless, but this is more an argument about numbers, and the people standing up saying they don't want pedophiles anywhere near the LGBT community.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 15, 2018, 04:41:41 PM
Most likely it is useless, but this is more an argument about numbers, and the people standing up saying they don't want pedophiles anywhere near the LGBT community.

Well then, you will have to be a gated community, like a bunch of John Birch Republicans ;-)  Log Cabin much?
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: _Xenu_ on July 16, 2018, 03:34:29 PM
Most likely it is useless, but this is more an argument about numbers, and the people standing up saying they don't want pedophiles anywhere near the LGBT community.
I don't think they will be welcomed any time soon.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 16, 2018, 06:38:11 PM
I don't think they will be welcomed any time soon.

How can you tell?  Do they have a big P branded on their foreheads?  Feel the paranoia .. no you know how homophobes think.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Cavebear on July 17, 2018, 04:00:52 AM
Is loli child pornography though? Japan and anime fans say no, the rest of the world says yes. I have fapped to loli and want to hang myself for such disgusting thoughts. W should have a psycho ward for every otau on the plant.

You should define some of those terms for we who are not familiar with them. 
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2018, 07:07:09 AM
You should define some of those terms for we are are not familiar with them.

Really?  Do they have no Wiki in your cave?
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 08:43:25 AM
Really?  Do they have no Wiki in your cave?

There is a slight burden on those who use some acronyms to explain them in their posts or give sources. 
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on August 16, 2018, 11:14:46 PM
This started as a practical joke.  4chan thought it would be funny to make it look like pedophiles wanted to join the alphabet coalition, calling themselves "minor-attracted persons" or MAP.

And like many 4chan practical jokes, it took on a life of its own.  There are pedophiles who actually are trying to say they belong in the alphabet coalition as equal partners.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 17, 2018, 12:11:06 AM
This started as a practical joke.  4chan thought it would be funny to make it look like pedophiles wanted to join the alphabet coalition, calling themselves "minor-attracted persons" or MAP.

And like many 4chan practical jokes, it took on a life of its own.  There are pedophiles who actually are trying to say they belong in the alphabet coalition as equal partners.
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Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 17, 2018, 12:37:35 AM
This started a long time ago. Back in the late 70's the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) wanted to be part of the mainstream LGBT movement. Allen Ginsberg was a member. During the 80's when I was active in my campus gay and lesbian student union we repeatedly had to differentiate ourselves from pedophiles. LGBT organizations at the time were trying to appeal to the mainstream and denounced fringe movements.

Anyone else remember the NAMBLA slogan "Sex before eight or it's too late"? Christian organizations loved to throw that one back at us.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Munch on August 17, 2018, 03:17:21 AM
This started a long time ago. Back in the late 70's the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) wanted to be part of the mainstream LGBT movement. Allen Ginsberg was a member. During the 80's when I was active in my campus gay and lesbian student union we repeatedly had to differentiate ourselves from pedophiles. LGBT organizations at the time were trying to appeal to the mainstream and denounced fringe movements.

Anyone else remember the NAMBLA slogan "Sex before eight or it's too late"? Christian organizations loved to throw that one back at us.

This is why quality control is so important in anything, having an open door policy leads to something like this happening.
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2018, 06:33:53 AM
This is why quality control is so important in anything, having an open door policy leads to something like this happening.

Yep, pretty soon you get Africans and ME people ... oh, wrong thread ;-)
Title: Re: Pedo's believe they should be part of the LGBT community... wtf...
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 05:50:15 AM
This started as a practical joke.  4chan thought it would be funny to make it look like pedophiles wanted to join the alphabet coalition, calling themselves "minor-attracted persons" or MAP.

And like many 4chan practical jokes, it took on a life of its own.  There are pedophiles who actually are trying to say they belong in the alphabet coalition as equal partners.

No thoughtful practical joke goes unpunished.  Someone somewhere will be offended, and someone rightfully so in their own mind or in reality.