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Title: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: pr126 on July 07, 2018, 12:39:46 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYv6wWYrUvw
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2018, 08:05:29 AM
The West has nothing comparable ... ahem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8uNCYX_Nc

At my age, I simply look, don't touch ;-))

Virginity is definitely over-rated!
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: SGOS on July 07, 2018, 08:08:42 AM
The Islamic Heaven is a curious and interesting place, especially to Western culture.  The Christian Heaven is not usually described in such graphic detail, although some Christians assign very specific attributes to it.  Sex is seldom mentioned and I guess in Heaven we are supposed to rise above such Earthly pleasures, but a best description of the Christian Heaven to me would be "unimaginable."  Of course, Christianity treats sex generally as some sort of sin, although Christians engage in it as much as anyone else.  But it's not surprising to me that sex is not emphasized in Christian Heaven.

In Islamic Heaven is described as the ultimate orgy, where a man will have he "strength" of a hundred men.  If the strength is interpreted as it is in the video, that would be sex somewhere in the neighborhood of 100-300 times a day.  Lets go with the 300.  That comes out to sex every 5 minutes, assuming one does not sleep.  There's hardly any time left to bomb public gatherings.

But there are few reports of actual Heaven from humans, and none at all from the actual dead ones.  To me, the Stargate TV series describes a Heaven most like the one I envision, at least until they portrayed it as a restaurant with Oma Desala as the waitress, but I suppose that could be construed as one of Daniel's dream states.  We all ascend to a higher plane where we exist as pure energy doing something or other.  Some form of ascended sex every 5 minutes could be a possibility, I suppose.  But it's hard to imagine, which is the key thing about the Heaven I suspect is out there existing as another dimension out of phase with our own.

Amen!
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2018, 08:11:49 AM
Yes, in Islamic heaven, we have spiritual bodies, which are basically dicks ;-(

Jewish heaven?  Attending Torah study with Moses, or some lesser rabbi.  That is why there are no Gentiles in heaven.

Per the Mahabharata ... heaven and hell are illusions, the ultimate illusions.

Per the Buddha ... heaven is actually a step down from ordinary human life, because you need to get the hell out of Dodge, to stop reincarnating.  In Heaven you are a god.  Gods are just very long lived super-humans ... and that long lived part is a problem.  The ideal state for escaping reincarnation is to be a human.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: pr126 on July 07, 2018, 10:26:25 AM
https://youtu.be/gODrtTLUrfQ
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: pr126 on July 07, 2018, 10:35:27 AM
https://youtu.be/CKQXx6ABM-0
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2018, 10:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud1zpHW3ito

Arabs are desert "dicks".  You have to know what kind of people you are dealing with.

Both kinds of circumcision are "African".  Officially Islam disapproves of non-Arabic practices, even by other Muslims.  However that doesn't mean they won't shoot you like a dog.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 07, 2018, 10:50:51 AM
73, counting People's Republic.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Blackleaf on July 07, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
Quote from: SGOS on July 07, 2018, 08:08:42 AM
The Islamic Heaven is a curious and interesting place, especially to Western culture.  The Christian Heaven is not usually described in such graphic detail, although some Christians assign very specific attributes to it.  Sex is seldom mentioned and I guess in Heaven we are supposed to rise above such Earthly pleasures, but a best description of the Christian Heaven to me would be "unimaginable."  Of course, Christianity treats sex generally as some sort of sin, although Christians engage in it as much as anyone else.  But it's not surprising to me that sex is not emphasized in Christian Heaven.

In Islamic Heaven is described as the ultimate orgy, where a man will have he "strength" of a hundred men.  If the strength is interpreted as it is in the video, that would be sex somewhere in the neighborhood of 100-300 times a day.  Lets go with the 300.  That comes out to sex every 5 minutes, assuming one does not sleep.  There's hardly any time left to bomb public gatherings.

But there are few reports of actual Heaven from humans, and none at all from the actual dead ones.  To me, the Stargate TV series describes a Heaven most like the one I envision, at least until they portrayed it as a restaurant with Oma Desala as the waitress, but I suppose that could be construed as one of Daniel's dream states.  We all ascend to a higher plane where we exist as pure energy doing something or other.  Some form of ascended sex every 5 minutes could be a possibility, I suppose.  But it's hard to imagine, which is the key thing about the Heaven I suspect is out there existing as another dimension out of phase with our own.

Amen!

Well, when asked which man will keep his wife after one husband dies and she marries her dead husband's brother (because Biblical times were the best), Jesus responded that neither would keep her. In Heaven, humans become "like the angels," which implies that angels don't have sex either. The Christian Heaven is far from above Earthly treasures, however. It's described as a place made of precious metals and stones like gold, where everybody gets a mansion, and there's a big feast that everyone outside will be jealous of.

The 72 virgins thing is a bit strange, though, in my opinion. They'll only be virgins temporarily, so that's kind of an odd specification for an "eternal" reward. Unless God just tosses out the used ones like trash and replaces them with new virgins, which given how much value Islamic texts put on women wouldn't be completely out of character. Speaking of which, what about the Heaven for women? Curious that there are no official descriptions of what women get in Heaven. Do they get 72 virgins? Nah, of course not. It's evil for women to sleep with multiple men, but it's perfectly fine for men to do it. Also, what happens to the wives? Do their husbands just completely forget about them after they get their 72 virgins?
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Munch on July 07, 2018, 11:44:16 AM
honestly I find the concept of virgins being a sexual turn on or something to look forward to pretty ridiculous a concept. In my own experience, the best sex if from people who have had experience, and know what their doing, who have practices with toys and others.

Why have unripe fruit when letting it mature helps it taste better.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: pr126 on July 07, 2018, 12:45:34 PM
In those cultures virginity is a very important thing.
It means you are getting unspoiled goods.

Also, that is why they need to get married as soon as possible.

Another thing is that the groom pays a dowry, in effect purchases the woman's virginity.

A non-virgin girl is damaged goods and a blemish on the family's honor.
See honor killings prevalent in primitive cultures.

Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: pr126 on July 07, 2018, 12:58:57 PM
QuoteThe 72 virgins thing is a bit strange, though, in my opinion. They'll only be virgins temporarily, so that's kind of an odd specification for an "eternal" reward. Unless God just tosses out the used ones like trash and replaces them with new virgins, which given how much value Islamic texts put on women wouldn't be completely out of character. Speaking of which, what about the Heaven for women? Curious that there are no official descriptions of what women get in Heaven. Do they get 72 virgins? Nah, of course not. It's evil for women to sleep with multiple men, but it's perfectly fine for men to do it. Also, what happens to the wives? Do their husbands just completely forget about them after they get their 72 virgins?
According to the Islamic sources, Allah repairs the hymen after every time so they are remaining virgins forever.
It is a 7th-century male fantasy that Muhammad spread about.

But the only ones are eligible to the celestial brothel are the soldiers of Allah who die in battle warring the infidels.

What happens to the females after they are dead?

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 28:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."


Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

Islam is a religion for Muslim males.

Another perk for fighting and dying for the cause of Allah is that the mujaheed can claim intercession for 70 of his relatives from Allah. 
A very generous package.

Interesting to note that everything that is forbidden to a Muslim while alive, is permissible after death.


Quran 9:111
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed.



Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: SGOS on July 07, 2018, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 07, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
The 72 virgins thing is a bit strange, though, in my opinion. They'll only be virgins temporarily, so that's kind of an odd specification for an "eternal" reward. Unless God just tosses out the used ones like trash and replaces them with new virgins,
According to the video, and in agreement with my own understanding (I can't remember where I got this understanding), the ex-virgins get refurbished through magic.  The fact that a woman who has been used, cannot by definition be a virgin, is ignored.  This refurbishment of virgins creates two mutually exclusive situations that exist side by side at the same time.  This is not permitted in logic, but totally acceptable in religion.

Years ago, there was some Christian movement to allow sexually active teens to reclaim their virginity.  They could just announce it, or agree to it, and presto!  They were virgins again.  There were probably provisions that they avoid further sex, but I can't remember if that was stipulated or just understood.  With the religious blessing, teens who had been having sex could now say they were virgins, and believe that it was not a lie.

I don't know if this thing faded, or if it's still around.  Although there is really not much new here.  Used women have been claiming they were virgins for centuries.  Guys, not so much.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 04:50:52 AM
What's the deal with virgins?  It not a great experience for either party.  Kinna messy. 
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Mousetrap on July 09, 2018, 05:40:11 AM
For what it is worth.
In Islam the Male gets to Paradise immediately when he dies in Jihad.
He receives 72 perpetual virgins.
There are only 4 women in Muslim paradise.
1. Pharaoh's wife
2. Kajidah, Muhammad's first wife.
3. Fathima, Muhammad's daughter
4. Mariam, mother of Issa (Mary, mother of Jesus)

Muhammad said, he was shown hell and the majority of its dwellers were women.
The reason for this is that they were deficient in their religion.
They were deficient in their religion because there were prayers they could not attend to when they had menses.
Now, which Muslim women can go to Paradise?
None.
This was the reason why Allah had to create women for Muslim men in the afterlife.

Then, In Christianity there are no Male or Female form of our afterlife.
We will have a body that does not age, ill or hurt.
It will be covered with light as clothing.




Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 06:37:39 AM
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 09, 2018, 05:40:11 AM
For what it is worth.
In Islam the Male gets to Paradise immediately when he dies in Jihad.
He receives 72 perpetual virgins.
There are only 4 women in Muslim paradise.
1. Pharaoh's wife
2. Kajidah, Muhammad's first wife.
3. Fathima, Muhammad's daughter
4. Mariam, mother of Issa (Mary, mother of Jesus)

Muhammad said, he was shown hell and the majority of its dwellers were women.
The reason for this is that they were deficient in their religion.
They were deficient in their religion because there were prayers they could not attend to when they had menses.
Now, which Muslim women can go to Paradise?
None.
This was the reason why Allah had to create women for Muslim men in the afterlife.

That is very clearly one on the most inane things I have ever read. 

And beyond inane, the most insulting, stupid, and insulting and stupid (yes I meant to repeat that) things I have ever heard of in my entire life.  Anyone who thinks that way should be shunned, ignored, and castigated forever.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: pr126 on July 09, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
7th century Arabs were not smart at all.
Are 21st century Arabs marginally smarter?
Not if they still believe this crap.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: pr126 on July 09, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
7th century Arabs were not smart at all.
Are 21st century Arabs marginally smarter?
Not if they still believe this crap.
Modern Moslems are about as smart about their religion as Christians were about theirs when they were butchering each other in 1200.  It takes time for religious idiocy to calm down.  Meanwhile, we are all paying the price.  Of both lunacies still.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 09, 2018, 05:40:11 AM
For what it is worth.
In Islam the Male gets to Paradise immediately when he dies in Jihad.
He receives 72 perpetual virgins.
There are only 4 women in Muslim paradise.
1. Pharaoh's wife
2. Kajidah, Muhammad's first wife.
3. Fathima, Muhammad's daughter
4. Mariam, mother of Issa (Mary, mother of Jesus)

Muhammad said, he was shown hell and the majority of its dwellers were women.
The reason for this is that they were deficient in their religion.
They were deficient in their religion because there were prayers they could not attend to when they had menses.
Now, which Muslim women can go to Paradise?
None.
This was the reason why Allah had to create women for Muslim men in the afterlife.

Then, In Christianity there are no Male or Female form of our afterlife.
We will have a body that does not age, ill or hurt.
It will be covered with light as clothing.

Technically, in extrabiblical sources ... we are seraphim ... Sandalphon is John the Baptist, and Metatron is Jesus (in Angel language).  So we are like the Human Torch from Fantastic Four.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 01:44:58 PM
Many a martyr may well be very disappointed when they get to paradise and find out the truth:

Martyrs, Virgins and Grapes (https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/opinion/martyrs-virgins-and-grapes.html)
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 01:44:58 PM
Many a martyr may well be very disappointed when they get to paradise and find out the truth:

Martyrs, Virgins and Grapes (https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/opinion/martyrs-virgins-and-grapes.html)

Sadly, no one will ever experience any version of heaven, or happily, hell.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 01:49:06 PM
Yeah, so they'll never know how badly they were cheated.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 01:51:16 PM
Make fun of Iowa all you want ... for some people it is Heaven, for others it is Hell ;-)
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 02:42:52 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 01:49:06 PM
Yeah, so they'll never know how badly they were cheated.

Promise idiots anything they imagine they want and don't deliver.  Success in the real world. 

Or, as one businessman said "Sincerity is the key to success.  When you can fake that, you've got it made"!
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Mermaid on July 09, 2018, 07:04:01 PM
Quote from: pr126 on July 07, 2018, 12:45:34 PM
In those cultures virginity is a very important thing.
It means you are getting unspoiled goods.


A non-virgin girl is damaged goods and a blemish on the family's honor.


You mean Christianity? I agree.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Munch on July 09, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on July 09, 2018, 07:04:01 PM
You mean Christianity? I agree.

Is it just this thing were by you don't want to acknowledge that islam is still as bad today as what Christianity was back in times gone by, or would that conflict with your liberal bias to accuse a group of people from the middle east of wrong doing?
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Hakurei Reimu on July 09, 2018, 07:49:23 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 01:44:58 PM
Many a martyr may well be very disappointed when they get to paradise and find out the truth:

Martyrs, Virgins and Grapes (https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/opinion/martyrs-virgins-and-grapes.html)
Not exactly what those martyrs had in mind, eh?

"Well, the grapes are truly divine, but I was expecting more a divine harem, and less a greengrocier's heaven! Gyp!"
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Mermaid on July 09, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: Munch on July 09, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
Is it just this thing were by you don't want to acknowledge that islam is still as bad today as what Christianity was back in times gone by, or would that conflict with your liberal bias to accuse a group of people from the middle east of wrong doing?
Why do you think I don't want to acknowledge it? You're wrong about that. By pointing out the hypocrisy of whining about Islam only, I am somehow biased?

Religion sucks. One is no worse than another. Christians can all blow me. Muslims can all blow me. Jews can all blow me.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: Munch on July 09, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
Is it just this thing were by you don't want to acknowledge that islam is still as bad today as what Christianity was back in times gone by, or would that conflict with your liberal bias to accuse a group of people from the middle east of wrong doing?

It all comes down to ... Jews.  Most Jews, including most Israelis, are Ashkenazi ... aka Europeans who happen to be Jewish.  They are not Kazars, those are Central Asian people who happen to be Jewish.  Oh ... wrong so called Middle Eastern group.  Most Muslims are Indian or Indonesian, not Arab.

Mermaid - Sorry, I have no wish to blow you, but don't take it personally ;-)

Here is the meta-message ... I am defined by who and what I hate.  Does anyone really think this is a good strategy?  How is this different than a Jew born after 1945 who wants to genocide all Germans, including those born after 1945?
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Munch on July 09, 2018, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on July 09, 2018, 07:49:38 PM
Why do you think I don't want to acknowledge it? You're wrong about that. By pointing out the hypocrisy of whining about Islam only, I am somehow biased?

Religion sucks. One is no worse than another. Christians can all blow me. Muslims can all blow me. Jews can all blow me.

well, you know what, good, cause I don't distinguish religiosity differently, they all have the same insidious nature to them. Its just that we can today track and study how certain worship of these belief have declined in places across the world and ones that are still going strong.

So given that, I'll apologize for being flippant, sorry.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Mermaid on July 09, 2018, 08:37:59 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Mousetrap on July 11, 2018, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 01:44:58 PM
Many a martyr may well be very disappointed when they get to paradise and find out the truth:

Martyrs, Virgins and Grapes (https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/04/opinion/martyrs-virgins-and-grapes.html)
I think they will be in Hell living with 72 mothers in law!
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Unbeliever on July 11, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
Maybe you're right. But any God who would create an eternal hell isn't any God I'd care to praise or worship, even if it did exist.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Blackleaf on July 11, 2018, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 11, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
Maybe you're right. But any God who would create an eternal hell isn't any God I'd care to praise or worship, even if it did exist.

I always find it funny when Christians ask, "Well, what if you're wrong?" I'd like to just turn that back around on them. "What if you're right?" What if God is really that much of an asshole? What if he really does require infinite praise, as he tortures countless people just outside the gates of Heaven? Do they really want to live an eternity worshiping such a monster?

Reminds me of a DarkMatter video from back in April...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GjCRWeG_AQ
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: Munch on July 09, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
Is it just this thing were by you don't want to acknowledge that islam is still as bad today as what Christianity was back in times gone by, or would that conflict with your liberal bias to accuse a group of people from the middle east of wrong doing?

I've always said both were moronic AND that Islam is JUST a few centuries behind Christianity in brutal fanaticism.  Both will probably calm down as the followers have nicer places to live and less hate, but Islamists are a bit behind.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Blackleaf on July 13, 2018, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 09:05:33 AM
I've always said both were moronic AND that Islam is JUST a few centuries behind Christianity in brutal fanaticism.  Both will probably calm down as the followers have nicer places to live and less hate, but Islamists are a bit behind.

I agree to an extent. Both Christians and Muslims resist change, and they have both been violent when they've had control of the government. Muslims seem to be more extreme on both, however. I think it will be quite a long time before radical Islam dies.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2018, 11:43:04 AM
I agree to an extent. Both Christians and Muslims resist change, and they have both been violent when they've had control of the government. Muslims seem to be more extreme on both, however. I think it will be quite a long time before radical Islam dies.

Modern day Moslems are in many ways similar to 14th century Christians.  Both rabid after a certain number of centuries, with an inherent violence due to internal and external conflicts and feeling threatened.  I sort of assume that Moslems will calm down in a few centuries and become less violent and expansive. 

The question is "what follows them"?  Every downtrodden group creates a religions based on anger and powerlessness.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 12:42:14 PM
Cavebear - "The question is "what follows them"?  Every downtrodden group creates a religions based on anger and powerlessness."

Jesus - ... "the poor you shall always have with you" ...
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 12:42:14 PM
Cavebear - "The question is "what follows them"?  Every downtrodden group creates a religions based on anger and powerlessness."

Jesus - ... "the poor you shall always have with you" ...

In your theism, you desire that there be The Poor.  Who else would have you?  But you positively desire that there be The Poor".  Who else would you suck on?  My view of religion is that you are are all parasites giving back to the poor whose teats you suckle on 10% and  keeping 90% "for God", LOL.  The term "suckers" has multiple meaning here.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
In your theism, you desire that there be The Poor.  Who else would have you?  But you positively desire that there be The Poor".  Who else would you suck on?  My view of religion is that you are are all parasites giving back to the poor whose teats you suckle on 10% and  keeping 90% "for God", LOL.  The term "suckers" has multiple meaning here.

So is that you, King Herod?  Got any more infants to slaughter?

Socialism and identity politics (of the majority kind) are exploiting the poor ...
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 17, 2018, 04:57:23 AM
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 01:10:41 PM
So is that you, King Herod?  Got any more infants to slaughter?

Socialism and identity politics (of the majority kind) are exploiting the poor ...

Not my cup of tea.  I rather in fact despise the idea, leaving that horrible practice to you theists as somewhat habitual.  The odd thing is that you often accuse us atheist democratic (small d) types of the very things that theists have so often done thoughout history justifying it as "God's Will". 

The applied effects of religion disgusts me.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2018, 06:11:55 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 17, 2018, 04:57:23 AM
Not my cup of tea.  I rather in fact despise the idea, leaving that horrible practice to you theists as somewhat habitual.  The odd thing is that you often accuse us atheist democratic (small d) types of the very things that theists have so often done thoughout history justifying it as "God's Will". 

The applied effects of religion disgusts me.

If theism is pure evil, why haven't you converted to Satanism, Mr LaVey?  Thank G-d Gandhi and MLK were atheists.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Mousetrap on July 17, 2018, 06:13:41 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2018, 11:43:04 AM
I agree to an extent. Both Christians and Muslims resist change, and they have both been violent when they've had control of the government. Muslims seem to be more extreme on both, however. I think it will be quite a long time before radical Islam dies.
If you claim this, you simply do not know the contents of the Quran that instructs world domination by terror and violence, and sex slavery.
You also do not know that the Bible on the contrary, does not allow the Christian to use violence to dominate the world, and condemns slavery totally.
To simply look on the surface and say Christians throughout the ages committed crimes against humanity, and Islam is soon to be a peaceful religion, is to display a twisted sense of reality.
To use a metaphor, The Sun burns less at night, and skin cancer might develop when the Moon shines.
This view is distorted, because the sun does not burn at night, but it does shine at the other side of the Earth. Skin cancer can develop at night due to previous damage caused by the sun.

Dont play such gaims.
Do not compare the sects with each other and make a claim about their religious books.
Compare apples with apples

Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2018, 06:22:03 AM
Rhetoric is what it is ... so if one person kills, all humans are murderers ... because the killing came from the nature of a human being, the nature that all humans share, and which atheists obsess.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on July 25, 2018, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 17, 2018, 06:13:41 AM
If you claim this, you simply do not know the contents of the Quran that instructs world domination by terror and violence, and sex slavery.
You also do not know that the Bible on the contrary, does not allow the Christian to use violence to dominate the world, and condemns slavery totally.
To simply look on the surface and say Christians throughout the ages committed crimes against humanity, and Islam is soon to be a peaceful religion, is to display a twisted sense of reality.
To use a metaphor, The Sun burns less at night, and skin cancer might develop when the Moon shines.
This view is distorted, because the sun does not burn at night, but it does shine at the other side of the Earth. Skin cancer can develop at night due to previous damage caused by the sun.

Dont play such gaims.
Do not compare the sects with each other and make a claim about their religious books.
Compare apples with apples

1. The Rape of Dinah (Genesis 34)
2. Genocide in Joshua (Joshua 1-12)
3. The Dismembered Concubine (Judges 19)
4. The Murder of John the Baptist (Mark 6)
5. The Killing of Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5)
6. Wilderness Slaughter (Exodus 32)
7. The Parable of the Unfaithful Slave (Luke 12):
8. Revelation’s Bowls of Wrath (Revelation 16)
9. Jephthah’s Human Sacrifice (Judges 11)
10. Sexual Violence Against Jacob’s Wives’ Slaves (Genesis 30)

Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Blackleaf on July 26, 2018, 12:57:42 PM
If you think that the Bible does not condone slavery, rape, the murder of civilians, etc, you clearly don't know your own Bible. In the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, the only human rights that matter are the rights of the Hebrews. God specifically commands his people to kill men, women, children, and livestock of other groups. When he's not ordering those people to be utterly destroyed, he's allowing them to be taken as slaves and "wives" (property) for themselves. Hebrew slaves are to be released after a few years, but other slaves are kept for life, along with their offspring. When wives are sold to their husbands, they also come with maidservants, who can be used as extra vaginas whenever desired. Any babies born to those maidservants are considered the wife's children rather than their own. I mean, seriously, the Biblical God is a moral monster.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Shiranu on July 26, 2018, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: pr126 on July 09, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
7th century Arabs were not smart at all.
Are 21st century Arabs marginally smarter?
Not if they still believe this crap.


"Islam is not a race! You can't be racist against Muslims! Now excuse me while I use Islam as an excuse to be racist against an entire race!"
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Hydra009 on July 26, 2018, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: Mousetrap on July 17, 2018, 06:13:41 AM
If you claim this, you simply do not know the contents of the Quran that instructs world domination by terror and violence, and sex slavery.
You also do not know that the Bible on the contrary, does not allow the Christian to use violence to dominate the world, and condemns slavery totally.
Wow!  It must've been really hard for Muhammad to take elements of the Bible and establish Islam as a legitimate outgrowth of previous two Abrahamic traditions.  Muslims reading the Quran must surely have noticed the dissimilarity among their prophets and their completely different modus operandi.

Speaking of, what happened to the Baal worshippers in Israel?  Or the Israeli priests who prepared a burnt offering to God incorrectly?  Or the various tribes that the ancient Israelis defeated?  Especially, the women and children.  I bet they weren't subjected to any terror or violence or sex slavery.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 26, 2018, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on July 26, 2018, 01:40:41 PM
"Islam is not a race! You can't be racist against Muslims! Now excuse me while I use Islam as an excuse to be racist against an entire race!"

Semites are considered by many people, to be a race.  So hatred of Jews or Arabs is racism.  It is incidental that most Jews today are atheists, and most Arabs are Muslim.  The trick is, in attacking the Bible or the Quran, are you being anti-semitic or not?  Or just anti-religious?  See ... is the problem that you find ethnic behavior barbaric (compared to your master race standards) or you find religious behavior stupid (compared to your awake standards).

This stuff comes very close to Nazism actually.  Muslims are the new Jews ... though technically it should be ... Arabs are the new Jews.  Gotta have a group you hate.  Just hating Republicans or Independents isn't enough hate.

I take Hydra009's post as sarcasm.  They killed the priests of Ba'al aka Hippies.  Not that I condone violence, except when I do condone violence.  I am not a pacifist.  I consider Gandhi and MLK as subversives ... same as Lenin, Ho, Castro etc.  From the status-quo POV, they should have been killed.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: aitm on July 27, 2018, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: Baruch on July 26, 2018, 07:14:57 PM
Semites are considered by many people, to be a race.

which changes the actuality of "race".... how?
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2018, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: aitm on July 27, 2018, 07:08:13 PM
which changes the actuality of "race".... how?

Well, some say that.  Not my opinion.  For most people here there are only two races, ubermensch and undermensch aka Democrats and Republicans.

Nobody here isn't a racist, but we don't define race the same ways.  If I were a racist, and given that I believe in the human race (as a real thing), I would have to be anti-human race.  We are all $&%^$& who need to get back out there and pick more cotton, or fuck more camels or whatever.
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 06:10:49 AM
Quote from: Baruch on July 27, 2018, 07:43:57 PM
Well, some say that.  Not my opinion.  For most people here there are only two races, ubermensch and undermensch aka Democrats and Republicans.

Nobody here isn't a racist, but we don't define race the same ways.  If I were a racist, and given that I believe in the human race (as a real thing), I would have to be anti-human race.  We are all $&%^$& who need to get back out there and pick more cotton, or fuck more camels or whatever.

Everytime you make sense for a few days, you go and screw it up again. 
Title: Re: 72 Juicy Virgins
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2018, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 06:10:49 AM
Everytime you make sense for a few days, you go and screw it up again.

I am all over this, and that.