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Title: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Munch on July 03, 2018, 04:51:44 PM
A curious thought someone ran by when they were discussing the recent changes to the uk banning gay conversion 'therapy'.
For the record, I was friends with a transgender man years ago and he told me the whole method he went through to become a man, it wasn't just hormone treatment, it was him living as a man for a year or more, dressing, talking like, becoming his new self before the first op and hormone treatment began.
He told me it was a lengthy process and he needed to let go of a lot to get there and become his new self, but he was happy in the end when he got to his goal.

On this thread I was reading, someone raised a point that made me stop and think. Now obviously I'm against the idea of gay conversation, it isn't therapy so much as it is mentally indoctrinating someone into denying who they really are, all normally by people who see homosexuality as an abnormality or something to hate.

While I hold people who make these 'services' with the upmost contempt, its the people themselves who say they don't want to be gay anymore that make me wonder.

You can see where this is going.

If someone is born a gender and later on decides they don't want to be that gender anymore, they can achieve that like say though conversion by psychologically prepping themselves to change, then going though the treatments and ops.
A gay man who is convinced he doesn't want to be gay anymore goes to these 'services' to psychologically get turned straight. Perhaps a lot of the time these are people forced into it by homophobes or ignorant family members and they think its the only way they can be 'normal' in their mind.

I guess this is more an observation and questioning the differences. The argument could be made that there are people who live in misery being one gender and want to be another to be happy, as I observed myself with my friend. The other is the claim that they are unhappy being gay and wants to be 'cured of it' to achieve happiness. Yet we've seen plenty of cases of people going though this 'therapy' for them to break down or even kill themselves for denying their sexuality.

Whats the line here is the question, one is good, one is bad, but both are so similar. 
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Hydra009 on July 03, 2018, 05:18:22 PM
A big difference here is whether the change is driven by internal or external factors.

Is the person going to gay conversion therapy because it's their own choice or because other people have pushed them into it?  Have they internalized other people's negative attitudes towards homosexuality?

With transgender issues, unless I'm seriously underestimating the peer pressure to go through the lengthy and expensive transition process, I'm fairly certain I can chalk it up to internal causes.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2018, 06:09:27 PM
There are reasons to condemn human sexual behavior (primarily sexual promiscuity and rape).  But being or trans aren't among them.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Mermaid on July 03, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
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There are reasons to condemn human sexual behavior (primarily sexual promiscuity and rape).  But being or trans aren't among them.
What is wrong with sexual promiscuity?
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2018, 07:47:57 PM
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What is wrong with sexual promiscuity?

Biologically, mathematically, it leads to greater outbreaks of STD.  It takes a lot more effort, to reduce communicable disease the more different people come into close contact with each other (unless of course all infected people are identified and quarantined) ... it is doable of course ... but people would have to be very careful.  And we know that isn't going to happen.

Do you have your sex partners checked for STD before every intimacy?  Well if one is monogamous, one doesn't have to worry, if the partners are initially clean and don't go outside the relationship.  Though I don't think I would go so far as to disallow any relationship between people who weren't initially both virgins.  This applies to both partners of course.  Most people aren't sex maniacs either, but those who are do tremendous damage.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Mermaid on July 03, 2018, 07:51:00 PM
It's very odd that you'd point this out together with rape for unacceptable sexual practices.
Eating hamburgers leads to a higher incidence of diabetes, too.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
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It's very odd that you'd point this out together with rape for unacceptable sexual practices.
Eating hamburgers leads to a higher incidence of diabetes, too.

Yes, and in the liberal dictatorship, those will be banned too!  I was not equating the two.  One is semi-voluntary (usually an infected person doesn't know or fails to tell their partner).
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Munch on July 03, 2018, 07:55:50 PM
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A big difference here is whether the change is driven by internal or external factors.

Is the person going to gay conversion therapy because it's their own choice or because other people have pushed them into it?  Have they internalized other people's negative attitudes towards homosexuality?

With transgender issues, unless I'm seriously underestimating the peer pressure to go through the lengthy and expensive transition process, I'm fairly certain I can chalk it up to internal causes.

thats a good point, its pretty much assured external forces causes those internal thoughts and feelings for gay people to want to be 'cured', where as its very unlikely a common thing for someone wanting to be transgendered that it comes from external forces.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: aitm on July 03, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
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If someone is born a gender and later on decides they don't want to be that gender anymore,

I doubt anyone would want to be anything other than "normal". Whether gay, mental illness, physically handicapped, everyone would prefer to be "normal". And why not? The animosity towards anything not "normal" can be intense, especially as a child. Why would anyone want anyone else to be anything else but normal?

I understand the parents plight when they have children that are different, they bend to all kinds of psychological pretzels to justify, recognize and legitimize "abnormal". They have to. They can't deal with it any other way. And then they form groups to reinforce their positions,,ala religion. And I understand that as well.

But even abnormal....when it is an established, recurring percentage, is not an abnormality, it is a lesser trait, for my current lack of better wording. It is an acceptable trait, like red head, that has, is and will continue....until genetic manipulation can change it.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 03, 2018, 11:40:25 PM
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I doubt anyone would want to be anything other than "normal". Whether gay, mental illness, physically handicapped, everyone would prefer to be "normal". And why not? The animosity towards anything not "normal" can be intense, especially as a child. Why would anyone want anyone else to be anything else but normal?

I understand the parents plight when they have children that are different, they bend to all kinds of psychological pretzels to justify, recognize and legitimize "abnormal". They have to. They can't deal with it any other way. And then they form groups to reinforce their positions,,ala religion. And I understand that as well.

But even abnormal....when it is an established, recurring percentage, is not an abnormality, it is a lesser trait, for my current lack of better wording. It is an acceptable trait, like red head, that has, is and will continue....until genetic manipulation can change it.

I suspect you are going to be hit for that a lot.  You just said that anyone who isn't straight heterosexual isn't "normal". 
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Hydra009 on July 03, 2018, 11:58:41 PM
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I doubt anyone would want to be anything other than "normal". Whether gay, mental illness, physically handicapped, everyone would prefer to be "normal". And why not? The animosity towards anything not "normal" can be intense, especially as a child. Why would anyone want anyone else to be anything else but normal?
Comic con (and tumblr) would apparently disagree.  While there is intense pressure to conform to baseline humanity, there is also a drive to diverge, albeit into subcultures with their own standards of conformity.

Everyone wants to be different.  Everyone needs to be the same.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 04, 2018, 12:12:58 AM
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Comic con (and tumblr) would apparently disagree.  While there is intense pressure to conform to baseline humanity, there is also a drive to diverge, albeit into subcultures with their own standards of conformity.

Everyone wants to be different.  Everyone needs to be the same.

Well, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  I understand the difference between "want" and "need", but maybe some more explanation would be helpful ...
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Hydra009 on July 04, 2018, 01:29:18 AM
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Well, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  I understand the difference between "want" and "need", but maybe some more explanation would be helpful ...
EL15:  despite social pressure to conform to wider society, people attempt to express themselves and their subculture.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 04, 2018, 01:41:36 AM
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EL15:  despite social pressure to conform to wider society, people attempt to express themselves and their subculture.

I'm an atheist, a minority in my society.  Tell me something I DON'T understand about THAT.

And here is something to think about.  Gays are elected to public office openly.  Are atheists?
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2018, 07:19:11 AM
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I'm an atheist, a minority in my society.  Tell me something I DON'T understand about THAT.

And here is something to think about.  Gays are elected to public office openly.  Are atheists?

For diversity, I want more Nazis, Marxists and pedophiles in office!  Won't mind atheists though.  Everyone must conform to my choice of tolerance, and especially to my choice of intolerance!  I want to now!
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: aitm on July 04, 2018, 08:02:39 AM
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I suspect you are going to be hit for that a lot.  You just said that anyone who isn't straight heterosexual isn't "normal". 
I believe the last sentence clarified the previous "quoted" text.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2018, 10:21:59 AM
"Normal" is a statistical concept, it isn't necessarily rhetorical.  The majority of people are normal hetero men and women.  Being something else is abnormal.  But ... one person can be right about something, even if all the rest of society says they are wrong!
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 04, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
FYI, The Atlantic has a lengthy but well-done article on transgender youth.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: SoldierofFortune on July 06, 2018, 06:17:39 AM
I agree with the view that everybody should exist in our society and live without being subjecting any prejudice, whatever their appereance or political or religious view are... ones who are gay are included here... A true democracy requires that...

Therapy never works. For myself, they can never achieve in converting me into feeling a woman. I also don't think chemicals would work.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 05:09:36 AM
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I agree with the view that everybody should exist in our society and live without being subjecting any prejudice, whatever their appereance or political or religious view are... ones who are gay are included here... A true democracy requires that...

Therapy never works. For myself, they can never achieve in converting me into feeling a woman. I also don't think chemicals would work.

You have issues.  Issues are not necessarily wrong.  I wish you the best outcome...
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 09, 2018, 10:23:20 AM
I believe that the transgender agenda (the keyword here is agenda) is designed to exclude as many as possible from the gene pool.

Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 11:23:42 AM
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I believe that the transgender agenda (the keyword here is agenda) is designed to exclude as many as possible from the gene pool.

Let's say that I may be up too late.  But let's also say I am still rational.  It's the "agenda" that you mentioned that sticks in my craw.  The only "agenda" I see here is a fear of "people not like you". 

I'm not one of the people you seem to fear as "others".  But I AM one who thinks they have a right to exist with full rights.  When it comes down to THIS, I have to consider you a Nazi pariah unworthy of further consideration.  Nice knowing you,  I learned a LOT about irrational hate from you.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 09, 2018, 11:57:54 AM
Transgender is ideologically driven. It has a purpose.
It is part of the culture war.

Would they dare impose transgender agenda on Muslim children? I don't think so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYxnGeAnVmA

Notice the ethnicity of the "gender confused" people.

Ever wondered why only western white people are targeted?
Why no Muslims, Latinos, Middle Eastern, African, Asian, African American people taking part in this?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUrtD8BTjxY

Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 01:10:51 PM
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Transgender is ideologically driven. It has a purpose.
It is part of the culture war.

Would they dare impose transgender agenda on Muslim children? I don't think so.

Notice the ethnicity of the "gender confused" people.

Ever wondered why only western white people are targeted?
Why no Muslims, Latinos, Middle Eastern, African, Asian, African American people taking part in this?

No PR, "Transgender is ideologically driven" is a false thought.  Given the struggle they have through life, how can you believe they do it for some "ideological purpose".  What have they to gain in a world that hates them.  I do not understand them perfectly.  I often suspect there is just some neurologically misconstructed  brain pathways.

But the important thing to understand is that, to them, their world is what it is, and their desires are completely right to them.  I do not understand it myself, but it is right to them and denying it is like telling someone to change their skin color to suit others. 

How tall are you?  Can you change that by an act of will?  You can't change some things that seem to be innate.  Give the people unlike you a rest.  Please. 

The older I get, the more I understand, and some of the understanding is both hard and overdue.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 09, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
OK, ask yourself when this "phenomenon" started to go mainstream? 10, 5, or 2 years ago?

Did this happen in your school days? Was this always so?

Are we normalizing mental illness?
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 01:36:27 PM
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OK, ask yourself when this "phenomenon" started to go mainstream? 10, 5, or 2 years ago?

Did this happen in your school days? Was this always so?

Are we normalizing mental illness?

No, we are normalizing Marxism.  And after the failure of the first Greening Of America ... they are going for the Molding Of America 50 years later.  Pond scum in other words.

Anything ideological, and turning anything including Greek yogurt into a political case, only serves the Elite.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 01:45:13 PM
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OK, ask yourself when this "phenomenon" started to go mainstream? 10, 5, or 2 years ago?

Did this happen in your school days? Was this always so?

Are we normalizing mental illness?

It isn't an illness ...

There were always "others" in our school years.  We were cruel to them.  We didn't understand what drove them.  We were taught to act that way.    Some of us thought about it.

Cable (from South Pacific a story of understanding differences):
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 01:50:17 PM
Yes, you were a bad boy in school (back when we were both in school) ... please do penance at the local Catholic Church already!
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 10, 2018, 04:22:42 AM
Let me virtue signal for another miserable oppressed group, the transgendered people whom we are creating daily by the thousands, starting the indoctrination in children's nurseries and primary schools all over the west.
White children only.
All for the greater good of course.

If you disagree, you are a bigoted hater, a Nazi.

https://youtu.be/IjY8vuureOc


 
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 10, 2018, 06:42:46 AM
I happen to agree that gay etc isn't an ideology.  But using gayness for political purposes, is ideological.  This is the result of universal Identity politics.  The liberals here of course deny their Identity politics, except when they don't.  The Dems and the Labors plan a revolution, and a bloody Leftist dictatorship (so they are projecting that, plausibly ... on the Right).  The frogs-at-heart are always planning a bloody revolution.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: aitm on July 10, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
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OK, ask yourself when this "phenomenon" started to go mainstream? 10, 5, or 2 years ago?

Did this happen in your school days? Was this always so?

Are we normalizing mental illness?
PR, you're going a little sideways on this. We have known that humans have been born with both genitalia since day one. We have never had a clue what to do about it. Doctors have been removing the least developed in favor of the most believing this was proof of the true sex. No doubt there are some that latch on to a cause for their own purposes, but now that we are understanding the human genetic more we can and should start to understand the particulars of the position.

A little consideration for those fucked over by genetics seems like a small price. We make similar concessions for lots of "normal" people who are just ass-holes.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Mermaid on July 10, 2018, 08:42:47 PM
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Let me virtue signal for another miserable oppressed group, the transgendered people whom we are creating daily by the thousands,
 
do you honestly believe that more trans people are being manufactured because of our culture?
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 11, 2018, 02:07:13 AM
aitm wrote
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A little consideration for those fucked over by genetics seems like a small price. We make similar concessions for lots of "normal" people who are just ass-holes.

Ah, so the whole issue is just one giant virtue signaling drive to leave genetically mal[in]formed people alone.

Odd that we did not notice them before. Where did they all hide?
What is the issue with the 50 + genders? (There are no set numbers of genders)
The legislated various pronouns? (rewrite the dictionaries?)
The "mixed" restrooms, locker rooms? 
The children's nurseries indoctrination efforts?

Where did it come from?

Why only whites affected by this "genetic" disorder? I don't see children/adults from other ethnicities suffering from this "genetic" disorder. 

Does this make you think?


Is it all in the mind? 
Or as I suspect it is [political] ideologically driven?
I know that these questions are not politically correct.

 

Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 11, 2018, 02:30:29 AM
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do you honestly believe that more trans people are being manufactured because of our culture?

Yes. Absolutely.

Why start in kindergarten? Because toddlers are easy to manipulate. Just as easy as Marxist airheads.

Oh, and “our culture”?  Do you see other ethnicities, cultures with similar problems?

Here is a scenario.

A Muslim/Black/Latino majority school in the US.
Western Marxist teacher starts explaining to the children the transgender ideology.

How long before the parents do something nasty to those teachers and the school, assuming they are even set a foot in the place?

Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 11, 2018, 04:12:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtftZPL-k7Y
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2018, 07:34:03 AM
There are 27 genders (not counting actual hermaphrodites and paraphilia).  Three ranges of male to female body, three ranges of sexual attraction to male or female partner and three ranges of gender stereotype.  3x3x3=27.  Most people however are in just two categories.

Sorry, your Biblical level of biological knowledge is dated.  Even Jesus recognized eunuchs.

Straight people, who aren't attracted to a male partner, will resist man-dating language ;-)
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: SGOS on July 11, 2018, 07:43:09 AM
Are there two genders or more than that?  Seems like an odd thing to get triggered over. How does either affect society negatively?  OK, it pisses some people off, but what are the actual negative impacts?  I said somewhere else that I didn't want to learn more pronouns, but that was meant to be an obviously shallow response.  I'm talking about negative impacts. 

So far, the arguments against transgenderism sound suspiciously like the old arguments that gays will try to make young children gay.  And I'm sure some people still buy that, but you don't hear that argument much anymore, probably because there is no evidence to support it.  It sounds suspiciously like the argument that gay marriage should not be allowed because marriage requires two genders, which is entirely a problem of semantics, rather than societal harm.  So I'm not jumping on the manipulation of children argument as a reason to oppose transgenderism right away.

Parents manipulate children and do things to them that impact them negatively.  It happens all the time, sometimes in minor ways, and sometimes in destructive ways.  Furthermore, we expect parents to do this as a responsibility.  Is our reaction to transgenderism as destructive as the other things we do to youth under the sacred banner of family?  Is it as destructive as forcing left handed children to write with their other hand?  Before we outlaw it, lets find out if it's harmful.  And being pissed about it doesn't address the actual harm.

I don't understand transgenderism all that well, but that doesn't warrant taking sides on the issue, and is not a good measure of whether it's a negative impact either.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 11, 2018, 08:59:54 AM
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There are 27 genders (not counting actual hermaphrodites and paraphilia).  Three ranges of male to female body, three ranges of sexual attraction to male or female partner and three ranges of gender stereotype.  3x3x3=27.  Most people however are in just two categories.

Sorry, your Biblical level of biological knowledge is dated.  Even Jesus recognized eunuchs.

Straight people, who aren't attracted to a male partner, will resist man-dating language ;-)


That's very...   progressive.


Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2018, 12:46:22 PM
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That's very...   progressive.

People mistakenly think I eat little children on my Comet Pizza with President Trump ... but that is Democrats ;-)

I am centrist, not progressive (Marxist).  Not regressive either (Monarchist).  There is no progress, just virtue signaling by the next generation who thinks they know it all, and don't.

Now talking furries with the bronies would be progressive ... if you think you are Mr Ed stuck in the body of Wilbur.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 11, 2018, 01:14:27 PM
I wonder where this sexual revolution will lead next? Normalising incest? Zoophilia? Pedophilia?

  Incest Should Be Legal, Experts Argue (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/incest-legal-german-experts_n_5900672)

 What It’s Like to Date a Horse  (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/11/what-its-like-to-date-a-horse.html)

A Pedophile Opens Up About Being Targeted by Vigilantes (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xydjjd/a-pedophile-opens-up-about-being-targeted-by-vigilantes)

“I’m a pedophile, but not a monster,” (https://www.infowars.com/salon-pushes-pedophile-sympathy-again/)


Now that's progressive. The epitome of cultural advancement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5-qW06fnpQ




Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Mermaid on July 11, 2018, 05:47:35 PM
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Yes. Absolutely.




Then you're retarded.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 12, 2018, 03:10:35 AM
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Then you're retarded.
Ad hominem is not an argument.
Unless you have nothing else.


Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 12, 2018, 06:51:06 AM
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Ad hominem is not an argument.
Unless you have nothing else.

Edna Hominem is her name ;-)

She and Shiranu will definitely argue for public sex by bronies.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: aitm on July 12, 2018, 09:01:47 PM
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aitm wrote
Ah, so the whole issue is just one giant virtue signaling drive to leave genetically mal[in]formed people alone.

Odd that we did not notice them before. Where did they all hide?
What is the issue with the 50 + genders? (There are no set numbers of genders)
The legislated various pronouns? (rewrite the dictionaries?)
The "mixed" restrooms, locker rooms? 
The children's nurseries indoctrination efforts?

Where did it come from?

Why only whites affected by this "genetic" disorder? I don't see children/adults from other ethnicities suffering from this "genetic" disorder. 

Does this make you think?


Is it all in the mind? 
Or as I suspect it is [political] ideologically driven?
I know that these questions are not politically correct.

 



Wow...you really did go off the rails. Okay then....
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Hydra009 on July 13, 2018, 12:41:42 AM
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The "mixed" restrooms, locker rooms? 
Hey!  Some of us have fond memories of that Starship Troopers shower scene!  In the future, we're not quite as prudish and insane.

*footage of Klendathu assault which quickly and spectacularly fails*

Well, still insane.  Less prudish, though.

(https://i.imgur.com/dU5yHEA.jpg)
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Hydra009 on July 13, 2018, 12:45:36 AM
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I am centrist, not progressive (Marxist).  Not regressive either (Monarchist).  There is no progress, just virtue signaling by the next generation who thinks they know it all, and don't.
You say that...but I dunno, all you've deigned to reveal to us so far is that you're very strongly anti-liberal and somewhat traditionalistic.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 02:52:41 AM
PR, I suspect children ARE transgender from birth.  I don't know WHY, but they are.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 07:24:47 PM
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You say that...but I dunno, all you've deigned to reveal to us so far is that you're very strongly anti-liberal and somewhat traditionalistic.

Lets see ... turn the US and the rest of the world into Venezuela ... or be called a Nazi?  As a Jewish person, we are not only smart, we understand Gentile insanity all too well.

Sorry, Washington was a Nazi ... he had slaves (and didn't exactly free them in his will).  The US is Nazi Germany, 150 years before Nazi Germany.  Give us your 15 minute hate, or buy a damn Macintosh.

Yes, traditional in the sense that, if it works, don't fix it.  If it is broken, fix it or discard it.  Common sense, not insane Robespierre or Lenin.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 07:25:44 PM
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PR, I suspect children ARE transgengender from birth.  I don't know WHY, but they are.

I actually agree.  Our current diagnostic process might be a little flakey, because we limit who can get hormones or operations.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Shiranu on July 14, 2018, 02:16:46 PM
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Ad hominem is not an argument.
Unless you have nothing else.




Argument or not, she isn't wrong though.

*shrug*
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 17, 2018, 03:31:45 AM
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Argument or not, she isn't wrong though.

*shrug*

You can't help some people...
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2018, 06:49:22 AM
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You can't help some people...

Yes, ad hominem behavior on your part ... never happens.  You can't help yourself.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: pr126 on July 18, 2018, 09:11:33 AM
 Making sexual dysfunction appear normal (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/07/making_sexual_dysfunction_appear_normal.html)

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Not only did the mayor create a list of what seems like LSD-inspired sexual categories (i.e., gender-bender, gender fluid, non-binary, and the ever popular drag king), but his far left Commission on Human Rights made it illegal to use any of those 31 categories improperly.  Anyone who does so in public is subject to a fine of up to $250,000.  Moreover, the commission warns people to use the correct pronoun when addressing one of those "genders" and apologize in the event of a mistake.

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Speaking of no moral foundation, recently, California governor Jerry Brown signed the "Gender Recognition Act," which makes it easier for "transgender, intersex and non-binary people to obtain state-issued identity documents that reflect their gender."  It seems to me that what California and New York are doing is enabling the capricious minds of the mentally defective.  If someone walks along the street and vociferously proclaims that he is Napoleon, the responsible thing to do is get him some psychiatric help.  De Blasio and Brown would probably agree with him and advise him to invade Russia.
Preferably in winter.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2018, 01:06:07 PM
Governor Brown is a politician, so of course he has no standard of morality.
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Unbeliever on July 20, 2018, 03:26:20 PM
Russia is using gay rights as a means of keeping Eastern European nations out of the EU:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZL8Mx6Vp3Y
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2018, 06:57:24 PM
If I were Russia, I wouldn't want anything to do with W Europe either.  Poland, like Russia, still has some decency ;-)
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 04:46:46 AM
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If I were Russia, I wouldn't want anything to do with W Europe either.  Poland, like Russia, still has some decency ;-)

Decency in Russia?  That is an interesting idea. 
Title: Re: transgenderism and gay conversion 'therapy'
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 09:33:11 AM
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Decency in Russia?  That is an interesting idea.

Americans, lying feral dogs since 1775?  So I guess you do consider Poland to be decent?  By omission?