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Title: Every State in the US
Post by: pr126 on June 27, 2018, 09:07:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ancuYECRGN8
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: SGOS on June 27, 2018, 12:06:40 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ancuYECRGN8
Actually has stuff I didn't know.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on June 27, 2018, 12:50:20 PM
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Actually has stuff I didn't know.

Yes, reminds me of the Connections series.

In 1970 I lived just a few blocks north of Colfax Ave ... the longest avenue.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: pr126 on June 27, 2018, 12:55:57 PM
OK, hee is some more


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-b4SUOfn_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1CVVoAihBc

Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on June 27, 2018, 06:21:11 PM
Enough with geography!  That is just a dead White guy thing, like education.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on June 27, 2018, 07:04:09 PM
I've been in 25 of the states, so far. I don't expect to visit any more of them, though, since the ones I haven't been in aren't worth the trouble. ;-)
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: pr126 on June 27, 2018, 11:42:36 PM
The Solar System

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t90fBSjI508
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on June 28, 2018, 04:23:24 AM
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I've been in 25 of the states, so far. I don't expect to visit any more of them, though, since the ones I haven't been in aren't worth the trouble. ;-)

I have to count the states I have traveled through (not flown over).  Fl, VA, NC, MD, NJ, NY, CN, RI, MA, VT, NH, CA, TX, UT, CO, IL, MO, KA.  I hope I didn't miss any.  And Canada 3 times.  Most was on Govt travel, some were visiting relatives, one was getting my elderly dad from a hospital to come live with me for several years.  Canada was camping.  Nice place mostly.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on June 28, 2018, 07:18:18 AM
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I have to count the states I have traveled through (not flown over).  Fl, NC, MD, NJ, NY, CN, RI, MA, VT, NH, MA, CA, TX, UT, CO, IL, MO, KA.  I hope I didn't miss any.  And Canada 3 times.  Most was on Govt travel, some were visiting relatives, one was getting my elderly dad from a hospital to come live with me for several years.  Canada was camping.  Nice place mostly.

I did the same for my mother.  A hard yet necessary choice.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Hydra009 on June 28, 2018, 12:15:30 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ancuYECRGN8
North Carolina is first in flight, but then again, everyone already knew that.  Btw, we have beef with Ohio about that. "Birthplace of aviation" don't count!

NC got extremely short shrift so I figured I'd expand a little bit.  So here's a crash course!

North Carolina, the Tar Heel State

History
Colonial: Virginia Dare, first British birth in North America.  Roanoke colony, the "Lost Colony".  Carolina split into North and South Carolina.  Blackbeard the pirate.
Pre-Civil War: Rip Van Winkle State (reputation as backwards and underdeveloped), extremely rural state, grew a lot of tobacco and cotton, large numbers of slaves (roughly 1/3 of the population),
Civil War: one of the last states to join the Confederacy (it's sometimes claimed to be the last state to join, but technically, Tennessee was last), few battles were fought in NC but it contributed a lot of troops to the Confederacy
Post Civil War: Jim Crow, lots of immigration from the north (carpet-baggers), Wright Brothers, school-building drive by Aycock and heavy investment in Universities, Civil Rights movement (notably a sit-in protest in Greensboro in 1960)
Modern history: gradual transition from rural to urban.  Collapse of textiles, growth of hog farms.  Growth of large cities, Charlotte (banking), Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill form Research Triangle Park (RTP) a major hub of tech and medical research.

Geography:
Appalachian Mountains to the west, central Piedmont, eastern shore (dangerous coastline - graveyard of the Atlantic), swamps to the far SE and NE (indigenous venus fly traps)
Known for especially hot, humid summers and mild winters.  Frequently hit by hurricanes.

Culture:
Filming site for the Andy Griffith show and some scenes of Deliverance.
Huge fanbases for college sports.  Big rivalry between Duke and Chapel Hill (Michael Jordan's former team) in men's basketball.  Unexpectedly big on hockey - Carolina Hurricanes (Stanley Cup champions in 2006)
Huge fans of pork BBQ cooked with a vinegar-based sauce.  GTFO with tomato-based sauces.  Perfect NC meal: BBQ with sweet potato and Cheerwine (very sweet, cherry-flavored soda)
South Baptist/evangelical Christian influence - Billy Graham
Politically, NC is very much a battleground state.  Leans Republican overall, but can go Democrat sometimes.  Sharp political divides between urban liberals and rural conservatives.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Munch on June 28, 2018, 04:34:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSvJ9SN8THE
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Shiranu on June 28, 2018, 05:24:46 PM
New Mexico, I am disappoint you still think Pluto is a planet. Let's get our shit together.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on June 28, 2018, 06:37:36 PM
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New Mexico, I am disappoint you still think Pluto is a planet. Let's get our shit together.

No the cartoon was a disappointment, they claimed that there were buffalo in Utah, instead of Mormons.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: SGOS on June 28, 2018, 06:43:47 PM
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Filming site for the Andy Griffith show and some scenes of Deliverance.
I might take issue here, although it's your home state, and I'll likely get egg on my face.  I was traveling through the back roads of North Carolina one time for reasons I don't quite remember, and I came to a town called Mount Airy, home town of Andy Griffith, and the prototype for Mayberry.  I don't think much happens in Mount Airy, because the whole town seems to be centered around the fact that Andy Griffith came from there and Mount Airy was the real Mayberry.  They even had an Andy Griffith visitor center with a couple of very helpful and pleasant ladies who would show you clippings and load you with important knowledge.  I understand one of the town's police cars had a cardboard cutout of Barney Fife sitting in the back seat, although I didn't see it.  I asked if I could see where they shot Mayberry, but was informed that was all done on a set in Hollywood.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Munch on June 28, 2018, 06:51:08 PM
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No the cartoon was a disappointment, the claimed that there were buffalo in Utah, instead of Mormons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSG50pve7k
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on June 28, 2018, 06:59:33 PM
And there are lions there too, in a zoo.  But not native to Utah.  Bison roamed from Texas to Canada, over the Great Plains.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: SGOS on June 28, 2018, 07:15:23 PM
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And there are lions there too, in a zoo.  But not native to Utah.  Bison roamed from Texas to Canada, over the Great Plains.
Yeah, tell me man doesn't have this eradication thing down to a science, and he can do it just a few years when he puts his mind to it.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 28, 2018, 07:44:17 PM
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Yeah, tell me man doesn't have this eradication thing down to a science, and he can do it just a few years when he puts his mind to it.
Hey, you shoot a thousand pound animal, cut out the tongue, and leave the rest, you run out of tongues after a while.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on June 28, 2018, 08:53:18 PM
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New Mexico, I am disappoint you still think Pluto is a planet. Let's get our shit together.

Even in college in Astronomy 101, I question Pluto being a planet.  The professor poo-pooed me saying "it went around the Sun".  I asked further, pointing out the oddly tilted orbit and the fact that it sometimes was closer to the Sun than Neptune.  Poo-pooed again.  He said "it goes around the Sun".  I pointed out that comets also did that and he told me to go away, LOL!  Well THAT was sure an discussion-killer.  And BTW, I scored 100% on all tests in the class and they were detailed and rather evil.  And of 200 students, I was the only one to do that.  And he STILL dismissed me...

Professors, jeez...
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Hydra009 on June 28, 2018, 11:21:51 PM
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I asked if I could see where they shot Mayberry, but was informed that was all done on a set in Hollywood.
I'm the one with egg on my face here.  You are correct.  It was shot in California, mostly at the well-used RKO set (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKO_Forty_Acres).  Ah well.  At least small-town NC served as the inspiration for Mayberry and of course, Andy Griffith himself was from NC.

Also, Evan Rachel Wood (Dolores on Westworld) is from NC.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on June 29, 2018, 01:45:40 PM
For those of us from SC, NC is considered yankee territory...;-)
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: SGOS on June 29, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
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For those of us from SC, NC is considered yankee territory...;-)
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why we have North Carolina and South Carolina, rather than just Carolina?  I've wondered about the Dakota's also.  And while I'm wondering, why is there a West Virginia, but not an East Virginia?  Instead it's just Virginia, as if the people in that other state weren't clever enough to come up with their own name.

There is only one Montana, but one could argue there should be two.  Western Montana is all mountains and votes Democrat, and Eastern Montana is all plains and votes Republican.  Montana has an actual small town named Plains, but it's in the mountains.  I'd like to know who the Hell did that?
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2018, 07:15:03 PM
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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why we have North Carolina and South Carolina, rather than just Carolina?  I've wondered about the Dakota's also.  And while I'm wondering, why is there a West Virginia, but not an East Virginia?  Instead it's just Virginia, as if the people in that other state weren't clever enough to come up with their own name.

There is only one Montana, but one could argue there should be two.  Western Montana is all mountains and votes Democrat, and Eastern Montana is all plains and votes Republican.  Montana has an actual small town named Plains, but it's in the mountains.  I'd like to know who the Hell did that?

Colonies were founded by different entrepreneurs ... usually from a port and then moving inland.  West Virginia was part of Virginia, until the Civil War.  Tennessee nearly split in two during the Civil War too.  Virginia of course was named for Queen Elizabeth I.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on July 02, 2018, 01:45:06 AM
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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why we have North Carolina and South Carolina, rather than just Carolina?  I've wondered about the Dakota's also.  And while I'm wondering, why is there a West Virginia, but not an East Virginia?  Instead it's just Virginia, as if the people in that other state weren't clever enough to come up with their own name.

There is only one Montana, but one could argue there should be two.  Western Montana is all mountains and votes Democrat, and Eastern Montana is all plains and votes Republican.  Montana has an actual small town named Plains, but it's in the mountains.  I'd like to know who the Hell did that?

The colony of Carolina had a political and cultural split into North and South colonies.  North and South Dakota were incorporated into the Union individually (admittedly uncreative names) but they were originally part of of the Dakota Territory so they went with it.  West Virginia was a Unionist bastion in the civil war so is separated from Virginia with Federal troop support. 

I often smile that they didn't choose individual names of their own, but you have to assume it made sense to them at the time.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: trdsf on July 05, 2018, 10:33:54 AM
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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why we have North Carolina and South Carolina, rather than just Carolina?  I've wondered about the Dakota's also.  And while I'm wondering, why is there a West Virginia, but not an East Virginia?  Instead it's just Virginia, as if the people in that other state weren't clever enough to come up with their own name.

There is only one Montana, but one could argue there should be two.  Western Montana is all mountains and votes Democrat, and Eastern Montana is all plains and votes Republican.  Montana has an actual small town named Plains, but it's in the mountains.  I'd like to know who the Hell did that?
No, Hell is in Michigan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Michigan), not Montana.  But any Buckeye could've told you that.  :D
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 02:54:32 AM
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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why we have North Carolina and South Carolina, rather than just Carolina?  I've wondered about the Dakota's also.  And while I'm wondering, why is there a West Virginia, but not an East Virginia?  Instead it's just Virginia, as if the people in that other state weren't clever enough to come up with their own name.

There is only one Montana, but one could argue there should be two.  Western Montana is all mountains and votes Democrat, and Eastern Montana is all plains and votes Republican.  Montana has an actual small town named Plains, but it's in the mountains.  I'd like to know who the Hell did that?

Every State should be politically contested fairly to the extent possible.  That would bring candidates to the center.  We need to work from the center again.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 01:49:00 PM
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Every State should be politically contested fairly to the extent possible.  That would bring candidates to the center.  We need to work from the center again.

Center?  Isn't that the guy handing off the football to the quarterback?
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 01:51:17 PM
And bending over to do it, just like the center.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
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And bending over to do it, just like the center.

Back to Team America ... and three kinds of people ;-)
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 02:02:44 PM
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And bending over to do it, just like the center.

I understand your meaning.  But we have to reach the center from both sides.  Giving in on one side just re-defines the Center badly.   I want the beat the Far Right into submission and I make no bones about that.  But I still want a country where the Center holds.

We have too much "die on the battlefronts" and I am guilty as well.  But the farther the Right goes, the Lefter I move in response.  Its a defensive balance mechanism.

But I could go Centrist at the drop of a hat.  Could Far Righters?
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 02:07:35 PM
I think the more extreme anyone's political (or religious) stance the less likely they are to be willing to compromise. Any compromise is seen as a betrayal of "the cause."
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 02:29:45 PM
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I think the more extreme anyone's political (or religious) stance the less likely they are to be willing to compromise. Any compromise is seen as a betrayal of "the cause."

Extremism is sometimes the reaction to extremism.  It can be changed.

When I was first starting my career, I was sent to a resolution training class.  Most of the class involved letting people express anger or seeing how a situation could have been resolved.  I was assigned the role of a manager ignoring a subordinate. 

So I played the part,  When the subordinate came to my desk, I put up my feet and put a newspaper in front of me.  When she expressed her complaints, I kept the newspaper up and offerred her a long lunch period for the day. 

After the event, she said that "was just like him" and she got a chance to express her anger (to me and I took it calmly - it was a class).

Then I was a boss being asked for more office space (with assigned goals for each person).  In that one I refused, demanding something in return (some space I wanted).  In that one I made the classmate negotiate, something he had never done before in reality.  We both got our assigned goals and the classmate was shocked. 

The class instructor asked me to be an assistant but I had to point out that I was doing better than that, LOL!

So, yeah, I can negotiate around the Center...  Given a chance.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: trdsf on July 09, 2018, 04:15:11 PM
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I think the more extreme anyone's political (or religious) stance the less likely they are to be willing to compromise. Any compromise is seen as a betrayal of "the cause."
That's pretty much exactly it.  You can't compromise with someone to whom compromise is blasphemy, and moreso whose opposition to an idea is based not on the idea itself, but on who's proposing it -- witness the Republican rejection of the ACA as an Obama proposal in 2010, followed by their nomination in 2012 of the very person whose idea it was in the first place: Mitt Romney.

Sometimes I think the quickest way to get the GOP off of the idea of tax cuts über alles would be to have Obama and Hillary and Speaker Pelosi come out strongly in favor of them.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 04:20:43 PM
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That's pretty much exactly it.  You can't compromise with someone to whom compromise is blasphemy, and moreso whose opposition to an idea is based not on the idea itself, but on who's proposing it -- witness the Republican rejection of the ACA as an Obama proposal in 2010, followed by their nomination in 2012 of the very person whose idea it was in the first place: Mitt Romney.

Sometimes I think the quickest way to get the GOP off of the idea of tax cuts über alles would be to have Obama and Hillary and Speaker Pelosi come out strongly in favor of them.

It is easy to agree with you.  But I bet Baruch will manage to disagree., LOL!
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Hydra009 on July 09, 2018, 07:28:44 PM
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I think the more extreme anyone's political (or religious) stance the less likely they are to be willing to compromise. Any compromise is seen as a betrayal of "the cause."
Eh, I don't know about that.  I have plenty of "radical" positions (like single payer or living wage) and I'm willing to accept half measures, provided of course that it's understood as a temporary solution and lobbying for the actual position will resume in the future.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 07:44:41 PM
I don't consider either single payer or living wage to be radical, but then, I guess I'd be considered fairly left by many.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 08:04:17 PM
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I understand your meaning.  But we have to reach the center from both sides.  Giving in on one side just re-defines the Center badly.   I want the beat the Far Right into submission and I make no bones about that.  But I still want a country where the Center holds.

We have too much "die on the battlefronts" and I am guilty as well.  But the farther the Right goes, the Lefter I move in response.  Its a defensive balance mechanism.

But I could go Centrist at the drop of a hat.  Could Far Righters?

As a centrist, I want to beat 2/3 of the US into a pulp.  The middle third stays, the rest of you have to go.

Living wage and single payer isn't that radical.  You get it by joining the military.  When I see all of you at my place of work, then you will have arrived!

Or we can just draft the entire population.  But you won't like boot camp.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Hydra009 on July 09, 2018, 09:12:20 PM
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I don't consider either single payer or living wage to be radical, but then, I guess I'd be considered fairly left by many.
They're not.  They're center-left.  But that's like ultra communism to the insane right-wing "sensible" position.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Mike Cl on July 09, 2018, 11:08:03 PM
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I've been in 25 of the states, so far. I don't expect to visit any more of them, though, since the ones I haven't been in aren't worth the trouble. ;-)
Not sure how many I've been in, but I've driven from coast to coast twice and once from the southern Canadian broader to the last of the Fla Keys.  And I've lived in 6 different states--not to mention several emotional states.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 10, 2018, 06:48:51 AM
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Not sure how many I've been in, but I've driven from coast to coast twice and once from the southern Canadian broader to the last of the Fla Keys.  And I've lived in 6 different states--not to mention several emotional states.

Most of you should ... live in the hippie/gay area of San Francisco.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on July 10, 2018, 02:07:29 PM
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Not sure how many I've been in, but I've driven from coast to coast twice and once from the southern Canadian broader to the last of the Fla Keys.  And I've lived in 6 different states--not to mention several emotional states.
When I was much younger I used to hitchhike - a lot - racked up something in the neighborhood of 10,000 miles, all told.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on July 10, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
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Most of you should ... live in the hippie/gay area of San Francisco.  Just sayin'.
The word "should" is not in my vocabulary.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 10, 2018, 07:20:55 PM
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The word "should" is not in my vocabulary.

Anyone can be a free spirit ... if they can afford it ;-)
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Mike Cl on July 10, 2018, 07:41:44 PM
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When I was much younger I used to hitchhike - a lot - racked up something in the neighborhood of 10,000 miles, all told.
Have a brother who hitched across half the country with his wife.  You guys are much braver than I.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: SGOS on July 10, 2018, 07:42:07 PM
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Most of you should ... live in the hippie/gay area of San Francisco.  Just sayin'.
I don't think I could afford it.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 10, 2018, 07:43:03 PM
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I don't think I could afford it.

See, you need to tax those rich hippies and gays (who made their money from weed?).
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on July 10, 2018, 07:50:34 PM
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Have a brother who hitched across half the country with his wife.  You guys are much braver than I.
I never had the least bit of trouble from anyone. Met a lot of very nice people.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Mike Cl on July 10, 2018, 09:29:49 PM
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I never had the least bit of trouble from anyone. Met a lot of very nice people.
Good.  I've given a few rides, but don't do that at all when I'm with my wife.  Anyway, I really am glad that it works for you.  Still you are braver than I. :))
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: trdsf on July 11, 2018, 12:56:32 AM
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It is easy to agree with you.  But I bet Baruch will manage to disagree., LOL!
Ask me how many fucks I give about that disagreement.  I can't think of a way to get that number as high as zero.  :D
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2018, 01:38:41 AM
Compromise = I get everything I want ;-)
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Unbeliever on July 11, 2018, 02:06:53 PM
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Good.  I've given a few rides, but don't do that at all when I'm with my wife.  Anyway, I really am glad that it works for you.  Still you are braver than I. :))
Well, not any more. I wouldn't hitchhike now unless my life depended on it - and maybe not even then.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
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Eh, I don't know about that.  I have plenty of "radical" positions (like single payer or living wage) and I'm willing to accept half measures, provided of course that it's understood as a temporary solution and lobbying for the actual position will resume in the future.

For what it is worth, I support both.  Minimum wage should provide a decent apartment to a single or married couple.  And kids should never want for basics.  Increase the tax on the rich (me included).
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
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For what it is worth, I support both.  Minimum wage should provide a decent apartment to a single or married couple.  And kids should never want for basics.  Increase the tax on the rich (me included).

You and Warren Buffet can donate all you have at the nearest shelter ... hypocrite.  I am donating blood tomorrow.  Do you?

Unfortunately, in an political-economy, you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.  Sucks to be human.  You can have all the decency you want, move to Sweden.  I knew a guy online, Vietnam vet, who did just that.  He had a good run before the feminists and Muslims screwed it all up.  Wish every college student had done that, including Cheney and Clinton ... so we would have never heard of them again.
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Cavebear on July 17, 2018, 01:40:43 AM
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You and Warren Buffet can donate all you have at the nearest shelter ... hypocrite.  I am donating blood tomorrow.  Do you?

Unfortunately, in an political-economy, you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.  Sucks to be human.  You can have all the decency you want, move to Sweden.  I knew a guy online, Vietnam vet, who did just that.  He had a good run before the feminists and Muslims screwed it all up.  Wish every college student had done that, including Cheney and Clinton ... so we would have never heard of them again.

In what way did my suggestion that people like me who "have" should be taxed more make me a "hypocrite"? 
Title: Re: Every State in the US
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2018, 07:05:49 AM
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In what way did my suggestion that people like me who "have" should be taxed more make me a "hypocrite"?

Do you live on the street yet?  Then don't talk about the poor.