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Title: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
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Everyone is living in their own fake reality.  And they convert all they hear and read into fake news (to fit their own self worth).

This is psychology, this is your psychology on politics ...
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on June 22, 2018, 01:44:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My5TGYvJHbA
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on June 22, 2018, 02:07:34 PM
Many posters here saying that the USA is the worst country, racist, warmongering and a shithole.

Yet, millions are desperate to get into the USA by any means they can.

Why is that?   
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2018, 06:57:29 PM
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Many posters here saying that the USA is the worst country, racist, warmongering and a shithole.

Yet, millions are desperate to get into the USA by any means they can.

Why is that?

They forget that ...

Marx is God and Lenin is his prophet ... this is why the revolutionary cadre (Lenin et al) are necessary because the proletariat don't know what is good for them ;-))

Seen this all before, in the 1960s ... but the running dogs of socialism have gotten desperate because their fantasies have fallen on hard times.

Idealists are delusional.  They don't see things as they are, but as they want them to be (in their Tide pods induced psychosis).  Yes, when you get past the Big Transition (15-25 years old), finally get past extended puberty ... you realize that being an adult involves lots of shit.  No more Teletubbies for you, big babies!
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on June 22, 2018, 07:50:02 PM
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Many posters here saying that the USA is the worst country, racist, warmongering and a shithole.

Name one.


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Yet, millions are desperate to get into the USA by any means they can.

Not as desperate as those trying to get into Canada though; when put into perspective, when put into immigrants per capita (for lack of a better way of wording that), Canada has nearly 2.5 times the rate of immigration of America... and about half of our immigrants come from Latin America, so they are having to go through us to get there.


Not that that really means jack shit, and there are about a million other reasons why immigration patterns are what they are, but if you want to argue that people are choosing the best country then your argument already falls flat.


Also, how many times do we have to go over this with you that just because one place is bad, doesn't mean other's cant be worse... and that doesn't somehow mean we should just settle for bad? If your house was on fire, and you called 9/11, would you be content if they told you, "Woah, man, stop your bitching... at least you have a house to catch on fire!"?
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on June 23, 2018, 12:29:33 AM
Well, if this Agenda 2030 implemented, then the left's dream will come true.
Can you imagine the whole planet as one big Venezuela?

Here is the manual for the Brave New World. Enjoy.

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMj6BQ00BbM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqTi_4WKGmk&t=313s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfMxsrcr1D0&t=45s


Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on June 23, 2018, 01:55:47 AM
Name one person here who wants that.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on June 23, 2018, 02:17:23 AM
Also, holy fuck why the fuck am I having to talk about the left in a thread about children being separated from their parents and held in cages?

How the fuck do you see that situation and think you need to make it all about how the people who are against that are really the ones who suck?
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on June 23, 2018, 04:15:48 AM
Who would want it?!

Why, doesn't it sound wonderful?

Look at goal 1.

End poverty in all its forms everywhere.  Wouldn't you want that to happen?

Goal 2.
End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture
What a noble goal. Wouldn't you want that to happen?

Every one of these goals is mankind's dream. Utopia in the making. How could you not agree?

Which one of these 17 goals is bad for you?

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Goal 1. End poverty in all its forms everywhere
Goal 2. End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture
Goal 3. Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages
Goal 4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all
Goal 5. Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls
Goal 6. Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all
Goal 7. Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all
Goal 8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all
Goal 9. Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation
Goal 10. Reduce inequality within and among countries
Goal 11. Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable
Goal 12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns
Goal 13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts*
Goal 14. Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development
Goal 15. Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss
Goal 16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels
Goal 17. Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 23, 2018, 06:21:00 AM
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Many posters here saying that the USA is the worst country, racist, warmongering and a shithole.

Yet, millions are desperate to get into the USA by any means they can.

Why is that?   


Because it's better than the hellhole they live in
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
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Also, holy fuck why the fuck am I having to talk about the left in a thread about children being separated from their parents and held in cages?

How the fuck do you see that situation and think you need to make it all about how the people who are against that are really the ones who suck?

So do you support human trafficking in general, and children in particular?  What is your solution to human trafficking ... a known felony?  People don't just get here by accident (or to Europe with the help of human trafficker George Soros), they get there thru human trafficking, or "coyotes" in the case of illegals from Mexico or crossing thru Mexico (from say Venezuelans escaping initially to Columbia).

I agree, it isn't just Left ... it is also Right, and it is criminality.  Part of the universal criminality we call humanity.  Interviews say 80% of the women and girls who make it here ... who don't get enslaved in Mexico to the drug gangs or murdered ... are rape victims.  Nobody here approves of rape.  So how do we deal with criminals here, and criminals in Mexico who are enabling this?  Nuke them?

You are welcome, to adopt all the abandoned children in the US, both born here and not born here ... but expect it to be expensive.  I say, tax the US at 100%, so that all the abandoned children in the US can be put up in Trump hotels ;-)  I would be fine with that ... I expect you to pay for it though.  People misunderstand money.  Free backless printing of money is part of what destroys Latin America.

Poor people think everyone in Europe or the US live like kings and queens.  They see it on TV (reruns of Dynasty or Dallas).  Most people who're in need, think that money is free.  Just print up a trillion for Mexico, for Columbia, for Venezuela etc.  Lack of understanding of money, and interest ... is part of what drives socialism.  Free lunches for everyone!
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2018, 10:44:28 AM
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Because it's better than the hellhole they live in

True ... there are thousands of Mexicans or Venezuelans who want to move in with you.  Please sent them paid for airline tickets and food chits so they can come and join you.  I love Latin Americans, unfortunately I can't afford to sponsor any.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Mermaid on June 23, 2018, 10:50:36 AM
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So do you support human trafficking in general, and children in particular?  What is your solution to human trafficking ... a known felony?  People don't just get here by accident (or to Europe with the help of human trafficker George Soros), they get there thru human trafficking, or "coyotes" in the case of illegals from Mexico or crossing thru Mexico (from say Venezuelans escaping initially to Columbia).

I agree, it isn't just Left ... it is also Right, and it is criminality.  Part of the universal criminality we call humanity.  Interviews say 80% of the women and girls who make it here ... who don't get enslaved in Mexico to the drug gangs or murdered ... are rape victims.  Nobody here approves of rape.  So how do we deal with criminals here, and criminals in Mexico who are enabling this?  Nuke them?

You are welcome, to adopt all the abandoned children in the US, both born here and not born here ... but expect it to be expensive.  I say, tax the US at 100%, so that all the abandoned children in the US can be put up in Trump hotels ;-)  I would be fine with that ... I expect you to pay for it though.  People misunderstand money.  Free backless printing of money is part of what destroys Latin America.

Poor people think everyone in Europe or the US live like kings and queens.  They see it on TV (reruns of Dynasty or Dallas).  Most people who're in need, think that money is free.  Just print up a trillion for Mexico, for Columbia, for Venezuela etc.  Lack of understanding of money, and interest ... is part of what drives socialism.  Free lunches for everyone!
What on earth are you rambling on about?
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2018, 10:56:43 AM
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What on earth are you rambling on about?

Shiranu is both correct and incorrect ... that the political element is involved here.  In context, there is nothing, not even toilet paper, that isn't in a political t(issue).  But virtue signaling gets nobody anything, except unjustified good feeling.  Nobody here wants to actually be virtuous, they just want to talk like they are (we all want to think good of corrupt egos).

So yes, there is a human migratory problem (going on since ancient Egypt).  And today this is enabled and exploited by criminal elements.  Pharaoh knew how to deal with this 5000 years ago, he bashed in the heads of unwanted immigrants.  Settled peoples have never had tolerance for nomads.  I hope we can be more "progressive" than that.  But I doubt it, push comes to shove.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2018, 11:01:24 AM
How does the Left (progressives) deal with human misery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ7xMUf-CZk

The French are The Left.  The Russians followed the French.  And others followed the Russians .. including Mexico in 1910.

But peasant revolts are always temporary.  There is always a new hierarchy in society.  Marx was a personal failure, an idiot savant.

What does the Left want ... always the same ... The Terror.  Of course the Right (with status quo) thinks they are wonderful too.

A booklet by Martin Luther circa 1525 ... "Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants"
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on June 23, 2018, 09:16:28 PM
Wow, it's almost like I'm not some raving fanatic like you want to stereotype me as.

Crazy.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
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Wow, it's almost like I'm not some raving fanatic like you want to stereotype me as.

Crazy.

You are a young adult, still short on life experience, and I hope in time you get those "interesting" life experiences.  It is much more than getting a gold star for just showing up ;-)
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on June 24, 2018, 02:55:42 PM
Lol, my last post was in the wrong thread. Oops.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Unbeliever on June 24, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
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Because it's better than the hellhole they live in
And besides, all they have to go on is what they've seen and heard from our television and media. They don't know how things really are here. If they did, they'd stay the hell away unless they've got good money.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 06:15:06 PM
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And besides, all they have to go on is what they've seen and heard from our television and media. They don't know how things really are here. If they did, they'd stay the hell away unless they've got good money.

The probably winner in the Mexican presidential election today ... Obrador ... says all the Mexicans should move the US on Monday ;-)  They want to not only make Mexico more like Venezuela, they want to extend it all the way to the N Pole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_general_election,_2018

Well as pro-Hispanic like Shiranu ... but from a non-Left POV ... I see no problem.  Just don't expect 10 million more Mexican immigrants, to necessarily vote Democratic.  With a Left victory, it will the Right going north, like the Cubans did after Castro.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Cavebear on June 25, 2018, 08:45:38 AM
1.  Nations have the right to control their borders.
2.  Children should stay with parents.
3.  Intelligent people should be able to manage both.
4.  We aren't doing that.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on June 25, 2018, 11:11:32 AM
This is EXACTLY Why People Don't Trust the Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pShzC3xe2Es
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 25, 2018, 12:53:07 PM
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1.  Nations have the right to control their borders.
2.  Children should stay with parents.
3.  Intelligent people should be able to manage both.
4.  We aren't doing that.

1. Nations are predatory.  They aren't herbivore, they are T-rex.
2. Children should do as they are told, or get out of the house.
3. There are no pink unicorns, or intelligent people
4. See #3

Please enjoy becoming an involuntary part of Taco Tuesday.  You will go down well with Pace picante sauce, not that NYC kind and a Dos Equis.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on June 26, 2018, 10:14:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDRlREjA-jw
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2018, 01:05:16 PM
So does MSM do what it does, because of feels ... or are they taking orders from a political party, or from the Deep State?

It was an easy excuse at the Nuremberg trials, that the Nazis were just incompetent at human relations.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Cavebear on June 28, 2018, 05:00:04 AM
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This is EXACTLY Why People Don't Trust the Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pShzC3xe2Es

It was an editorial graphic PR.  It was understood not to reflect a real meeting. 
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 28, 2018, 07:14:41 AM
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It was an editorial graphic PR.  It was understood not to reflect a real meeting.

You are a poly-sci major, not the average voter.  i am surprised MSM didn't show Trump (based on real life events) striking the child.  He probably did have to swat his own sometimes, just not that particular one.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Cavebear on June 28, 2018, 09:29:53 PM
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This is EXACTLY Why People Don't Trust the Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pShzC3xe2Es

Or did you think THIS ONE was real?

(https://i.imgur.com/SnGJWVA.jpg)
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2018, 02:16:32 AM
Thanks to Photoshop, we will never know for sure.  1984 is more high tech in real life than in the book.  The Internet is the perfect device for putting news down the memory hole.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on June 29, 2018, 12:46:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LTdbGfIrq8
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on June 29, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/27/immigrant-toddlers-ordered-appear-court-alone/

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As the White House faces court orders to reunite families separated at the border, immigrant children as young as 3 are being ordered into court for their own deportation proceedings, according to attorneys in Texas, California and Washington, D.C.

Requiring unaccompanied minors to go through deportation alone is not a new practice. But in the wake of the Trump administration’s controversial family separation policy, more young children — including toddlers — are being affected than in the past.

The 2,000-plus separated children will likely need to deal with court proceedings even as they grapple with the ongoing trauma of being taken from their parents.

That's right; children as young as 3 are being told they have to go to court to argue their case before a judge without adult supervision.

Jesus fucking christ.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2018, 01:00:31 AM
I am sure the ambulance chasers will be happy ;-(

Yes, even children are subject to the courts.  And ... you might get a "public defender" if you are lucky.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Munch on June 30, 2018, 09:35:01 PM
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Name one.



didn't you make a post recently making that exact claim.

Infact you've not really given much evidence to the contrary, even now your looking for anything to hate on your country for.

Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on June 30, 2018, 10:09:46 PM
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didn't you make a post recently making that exact claim.

You mean the thread where I said we are one of the richest, most advance nations in the world?

Yeah, no, I didn't make that exact claim.

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Infact you've not really given much evidence to the contrary, even now your looking for anything to hate on your country for.

Says the guy who looks for any reason to hate on movies and comic books, because god forbid a character be black or a woman.

Fuck fam, you got me good there. That one cut deep.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Munch on July 01, 2018, 04:34:24 AM
Must be an easy existence, strawmaning those who disagree with you, gives you some piece of mind and makes it easier to process.

But then maybe that's why you need it to be easy. Kinda like how a christian doesn't want their bubble popped, so make anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs into sinners.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Shiranu on July 01, 2018, 07:16:17 AM
Okay, pr.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on July 01, 2018, 09:40:37 AM
Exodus 20:7

“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain."

(http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/111986/blasphemer128601086275112902.jpg)
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2018, 11:38:03 AM
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Exodus 20:7

“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain."

(http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/111986/blasphemer128601086275112902.jpg)

But what does that mean?  It means saying that G-d does bad things (G-d's name=character, Vain=frivolously).  And G-d does, a blasphemer is simply being honest.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2018, 11:38:44 AM
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Must be an easy existence, strawmaning those who disagree with you, gives you some piece of mind and makes it easier to process.

But then maybe that's why you need it to be easy. Kinda like how a christian doesn't want their bubble popped, so make anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs into sinners.

It's all that the Democrats and Labor have to live on.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Cavebear on July 02, 2018, 01:31:04 AM
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Exodus 20:7

“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain."

(http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/111986/blasphemer128601086275112902.jpg)

I'll take YOUR deity in vain at any time.  God-fuckiest stupid lunatic vengeful idiot, only worth spending time in its own underworld and that applies to all deities from the start of moronic superstitional beliefs to the most immediate present ones.  All deistic beliefs are nonsensical. 
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on July 02, 2018, 01:42:59 AM
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I'll take YOUR deity in vain at any time.  God-fuckiest stupid lunatic vengeful idiot, only worth spending time in its own underworld and that applies to all deities from the start of moronic superstitional beliefs to the most immediate present ones.  All deistic beliefs are nonsensical. 
My post was a joke.
Let me explain.

Shiranu replied to Munch with 2 words: "OK, Pr".
He meant that Munch is as bad as I am.

So I replied with Exodus 20:7 as a joke.
You should know by now that I am an atheist.
Don't take things literally.

Blaspheme away to your heart's content.

Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Cavebear on July 02, 2018, 01:56:52 AM
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My post was a joke.
Let me explain.

Shiranu replied to Munch with 2 words: "OK, Pr".
He meant that Munch is as bad as I am.

So I replied with Exodus 20:7 as a joke.
You should know by now that I am an atheist.
Don't take things literally.

Blaspheme away to your heart's content.

Well, you DO make us uncertain sometimes...  LOL!
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on July 02, 2018, 07:20:42 AM
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Well, you DO make us uncertain sometimes...  LOL!

You don't read carefully or sequentially ... eye glass problems?
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Cavebear on July 04, 2018, 02:33:52 AM
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My post was a joke.
Let me explain.

Shiranu replied to Munch with 2 words: "OK, Pr".
He meant that Munch is as bad as I am.

So I replied with Exodus 20:7 as a joke.
You should know by now that I am an atheist.
Don't take things literally.

Blaspheme away to your heart's content.

Looking at this further, I have to reply in greater detail. 

First, it is hard to see that "OK Pr" has a whole lot of meaning to it.  And I'm not sure I would make ANY equivalence between you and Munch.  Unless you have something you want to share and that would be fine.

Second, I don't know about you, but I don't spend a lot of braintime remembering who thinks what here.  I respond to the newest posts.

Third,  I give a WHOLE lot more respect to posters who are definitely and obviously atheists.   The ones who aren't get some ocassional derision, the ones who seem to be uncertain get respect based on the recent posts.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: pr126 on July 04, 2018, 04:19:01 AM
Don't bother.
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Cavebear on July 04, 2018, 05:20:38 AM
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Don't bother.

Quiet for once?
Title: Re: The so called conscience of the Left ... for the children
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2018, 07:20:17 AM
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Quiet for once?

Cavebear Gestapo success!