http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/06/10/erdogan-predicts-war-between-the-cross-and-crescent-over-austria-mosque-closures/
“Austria’s populist government made the announcement on Friday morning at a press conference as part of the governing coalition’s campaign against radical Islamic ideology and the influence of countries like Turkey in the Austrian Islamic community, Kronen Zeitung reports.
Media reports that between 40 and 60 imams, including their families, could be expelled in total. The imams all stand accused of receiving funding from abroad. Official investigations have been launched in 11 cases. Two of the imams had already been denied extensions to their residency permits.
Among the mosques facing closure is the Mosque of the Grey Wolves on Antonsplatz, in the working-class Vienna district of Favoriten, where the Gallipoli reenactment took place.â€
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on June 10, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/06/10/erdogan-predicts-war-between-the-cross-and-crescent-over-austria-mosque-closures/
“Austria’s populist government made the announcement on Friday morning at a press conference as part of the governing coalition’s campaign against radical Islamic ideology and the influence of countries like Turkey in the Austrian Islamic community, Kronen Zeitung reports.
Media reports that between 40 and 60 imams, including their families, could be expelled in total. The imams all stand accused of receiving funding from abroad. Official investigations have been launched in 11 cases. Two of the imams had already been denied extensions to their residency permits.
Among the mosques facing closure is the Mosque of the Grey Wolves on Antonsplatz, in the working-class Vienna district of Favoriten, where the Gallipoli reenactment took place.â€
Well Turks and Austria is an old history. And most immigrant Turks are in Germany and Austria today. It is routine for mosques to have external funding ... SA does a lot of it everywhere, and the Turks are trying to compete with SA.
QuoteWell, Turks and Austria is an old history.
Battle of Vienna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna)
Is Erdogan Still holding a grudge?
He fancies himself as the next Caliph.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on June 10, 2018, 11:12:48 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018/06/10/erdogan-predicts-war-between-the-cross-and-crescent-over-austria-mosque-closures/
“Austria’s populist government made the announcement on Friday morning at a press conference as part of the governing coalition’s campaign against radical Islamic ideology and the influence of countries like Turkey in the Austrian Islamic community, Kronen Zeitung reports.
Media reports that between 40 and 60 imams, including their families, could be expelled in total. The imams all stand accused of receiving funding from abroad. Official investigations have been launched in 11 cases. Two of the imams had already been denied extensions to their residency permits.
Among the mosques facing closure is the Mosque of the Grey Wolves on Antonsplatz, in the working-class Vienna district of Favoriten, where the Gallipoli reenactment took place.â€
The general rule is "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it". But there is also something to be said for the idea of forgetting the past. When you remember anger into the 25th generation, that is probably not very psychologically healthy either. There is a time for all things. And one is to forgive the past.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 03:25:14 AM
The general rule is "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it". But there is also something to be said for the idea of forgetting the past. When you remember anger into the 25th generation, that is probably not very psychologically healthy either. There is a time for all things. And one is to forgive the past.
Sorry, forgiveness isn't forgetfulness. But old men have that problem ;-) ... forgetfulness.
Let there be justice, otherwise no need to forgive. The stupid part, the old world part, is collective punishment. Hence intergenerational punishment.
The 'refugee' crisis is jihad by another name (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/18/monica-crowley-the-radical-islamic-challenge-to-we/)
t's Islamic conquest through migration
QuoteHijra is a core part of jihad going back to the Prophet Muhammad that involves Islamic conquest through migration. The objective is to overwhelm non-Muslim territories with Muslim populations until they achieve domination through sheer numbers. No weapons necessary â€" until they gain enough control.
QuoteMeanwhile, its waves are crashing upon our own shores. The Obama administration has announced that the United States will accept 200,000 “refugees.†More to come â€" and all eligible for full social welfare benefits. This dovetails with the existing Refugee Resettlement Program, which the administration has used to bring in tens of thousands of Muslims, often settling them in red or purple states. Not a coincidence.
Europe is quickly reaching the point of no return, after which its transformation will be irrevocable. We have more time to prevent such a transformation here, but that time may be shorter than we think.
The Islamic Trojan Horse looks next to America. Will we let it in?
Modern Day Trojan Horse: Al-Hijra, the Islamic Doctrine of Immigration, Accepting Freedom or Imposing Islam (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Modern-Day-Trojan-Horse-Immigration/dp/0979492955/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1528716680&sr=8-1&keywords=hijra+trojan+horse)
QuoteThe first fundamental principle for the creation of a successfully visible Islamic society is to be separate and distinct... "Sam Solomon and E Al Maqdisi have provided the general Western public a valuable service in publishing this book." Rev Dr Patrick Sookhdeo Director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity "If only one piece of information pertaining to Muslims and Islam is ever read, it would be this book on Al-Hijra." N Keas Phd Lecturer and Communication Consultant "I hope that every person in the Western world reads it, including the sleeping political elite
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 07:31:02 AM
The 'refugee' crisis is jihad by another name (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/18/monica-crowley-the-radical-islamic-challenge-to-we/)
t's Islamic conquest through migration
Modern Day Trojan Horse: Al-Hijra, the Islamic Doctrine of Immigration, Accepting Freedom or Imposing Islam (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Modern-Day-Trojan-Horse-Immigration/dp/0979492955/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1528716680&sr=8-1&keywords=hijra+trojan+horse)
Are you suggesting that as a positive goal or one to be feared?
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 07:34:54 AM
Are you suggesting that as a positive goal or one to be feared?
What do you think?
Would I really want an invasion?
Europe is passing the point of no return.
The EU governments are preparing for millions more "refugees" aka [Muslim] migrants with no limits.
Americans saying this could never happen in our country.
You seriously believe that? Once Europe is Islamic they will leave you alone "happy ever after"?
Don't be naive.
Politicians are all too happy to elect Muslims into politics just to be inclusive. See, we want you as partners.
What they do not understand is that Islam will never share power. It is a zero-sum game.
There are only winners or losers. No compromise, no peace. There is hudna. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna). A temporary cease-fire until they gain the upper hand. Then all bets are off.
We have 14 centuries of history as proof. Ah, but we have erased history. Never mind.
Treaty of Hudaybiyyah (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah)
QuoteThe Treaty of Hudaybiyyah (صÙ,,Ø Ø§Ù,,Øديبية) (also called Sulah-e-Hudaibiya) was a ten-year truce between Prophet Muhammad and the Pagan Meccans in March 628, who at the time were in control of the Ka'aba.
It was concluded when Muhammad and 1,400 Muslims attempted to enter Mecca on the pretext of making a pilgrimage and were met outside the city.
Two years later, Muhammad would return with 10,000 men and conquer Mecca.
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 07:42:18 AM
What do you think?
Would I really want an invasion?
Europe is passing the point of no return.
The EU governments are preparing for millions more "refugees" aka [Muslim] migrants with no limits.
Americans saying this could never happen in our country.
You seriously believe that? Once Europe is Islamic they will leave you alone "happy ever after"?
Don't be naive.
Politicians are all too happy to elect Muslims into politics just to be inclusive. See, we want you as partners.
What they do not understand is that Islam will never share power. It is a zero-sum game.
There are only winners or losers. No compromise, no peace. There is hudna. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna). A temporary cease-fire until they gain the upper hand. Then all bets are off.
We have 14 centuries of history as proof. Ah, but we have erased history. Never mind.
Treaty of Hudaybiyyah (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah)
PR, Muslims (I use your own spelling) are pretty much where European Christians were in 1200 or so. Mad crazy thugs willing to say "kill them all and let God (or Allah) sort them out.
On the other hand, just as there were peaceful Christians back then, there are peaceful Muslims today.
But you are trying to deliberately stir things up, and willing to change your belief claims back and forth as it suits you. I'll keep that in mind...
I do not think that I ever changed my mind.
I know Islamic history, its methods, tenets, goals.
Stirring things up? Hell no. Just facts.
Are you doing the #NOTALLMUSLISM virtue signaling?
I never stated that ALL Muslims are jihadist.
But all Muslims support jihad one way or the other.
For example, zakat, which is mandatory to ALL Muslims, and part of that zakat is financing jihad.
Many Muslims who appear peaceful, e.g. do not do jihad of the sword (qital) but can do jihad in a multitude of ways.
The pen, mouth (dawa) money, dissimulation, moral support, logistics, Hijra, and many many other ways.
Keep this in mind too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 09:24:48 AM
I do not think that I ever changed my mind.
I know Islamic history, its methods, tenets, goals.
Stirring things up? Hell no. Just facts.
Are you doing the #NOTALLMUSLISM virtue signaling?
I never stated that ALL Muslims are jihadist.
But all Muslims support jihad one way or the other.
For example, zakat, which is mandatory to ALL Muslims, and part of that zakat is financing jihad.
Many Muslims who appear peaceful, e.g. do not do jihad of the sword (qital) but can do jihad in a multitude of ways.
The pen, mouth (dawa) money, dissimulation, moral support, logistics, Hijra, and many many other ways.
Keep this in mind too.
Your statements are contradictory. Are you or are you not Moslem? I grow tired of this game, wishing only to discuss what your belief reality is.
I have never been a Muslim.
But I have lived with Muslims for some years. Here in the UK and abroad.
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 09:35:09 AM
I have never been a Muslim.
But I have lived with Muslims for some years. Here in the UK and abroad.
OK, so apparently you hate them from personal experience and fear they will take over the world?
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 09:37:18 AM
OK, so apparently you hate them from personal experience and fear they will take over the world?
Not really. By the time it happens, I'll be long dead.
BTW, I don't hate them.
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 09:46:16 AM
Not really. By the time it happens, I'll be long dead.
BTW, I don't hate them.
Wel,l based on your past posts, I have reason to doubt your claim that you don't hate them.
If you pay attention to my posts, you may find that it is Islam that I am criticizing, not Muslims.
I know that people cannot separate the ideology from people.
It is quite common to conflate the two because it is a conversation stopper.
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
If you pay attention to my posts, you may find that it is Islam that I am criticizing, not Muslims.
I know that people cannot separate the ideology from people.
It is quite common to conflate the two because it is a conversation stopper.
Well, that IS a valid point. But it seems to me that the 2 are very tightly entwined. But, if I may ask, how many Muslims do you know who are NOT Islamic? And I'm asking because I do not actually know. It IS just a question.
Muslims who are "not Islamic" are either covert apostates or Muslims by name only, pretend, as not to attract danger to themselves. There are many of those.
Just like secular Jews or Christians by name only. But these do not have to fear their co-religionist.
Edit: I would like to add that most Muslims who live (born) in the west have no idea what Islam teaches.
This leads to the word "radicalization" where the Muslim ignorant of Islam is taught what Islam demands of them by those who do know what Islam is.
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
Muslims who are "not Islamic" are either covert apostates or Muslims by name only, pretend, as not to attract danger to themselves. There are many of those.
Just like secular Jews or Christians by name only. But these do not have to fear their co-religionist.
Exactly what I expected... I actually typed that into my previous post, but deleted it, preferring that you said so first.
SCORE!!!
Quote from: pr126 on June 11, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
Muslims who are "not Islamic" are either covert apostates or Muslims by name only, pretend, as not to attract danger to themselves. There are many of those.
Just like secular Jews or Christians by name only. But these do not have to fear their co-religionist.
I just laugh at all these progressive, feminist, 'muslim' converts. If they lived in a majority-muslim country they'd be dead, or beaten to
really fall in-line with what islam is. Islam is insidious. Their religion outright tells them to lie for the purpose if subverting every nation they are in into sympathising with their fucked up beliefs - beliefs that if expressed earnestly would earn condemnation. Their religion tells them that they are at constant war with all non-muslims.
Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity. (This is a Shiite term).
Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
Tawriya - Intentionally creating a false impression.
Muruna - 'Blending in' by setting aside some practices of Islam or Sharia in order to advance others.
Impressive!
Gilgamesh wrote:QuoteTaqiyya - Saying something that isn't true as it relates to the Muslim identity. (This is a Shiite term).
Not just a Shiite, Sunnis too. It is in the Quran.
Deception, Lying and Taqiyya (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx)
From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression... (See the Permissible Lying section on the Sharia page for more)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F4wBeshTsw
Catholics etc lie too. The ruler of this world is Satan, and his native language is lies.