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Title: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: pr126 on June 06, 2018, 01:44:39 PM
Miss America? How sexist.

"we will no longer judge our candidates on their appearance." Just virtue signalling?

"Cultural revolution" The little red book?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyTQBMtSbsk

Here is an idea -

Miss America 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De-R_j8U0AASHmF.jpg)

Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 06, 2018, 02:31:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYikyYL0S00
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 06, 2018, 02:31:49 PM
Also. Who cares? Beauty pageants are pretty dumb, imo

The old fucks that run them are usually wrong anyway
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Munch on June 06, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 06, 2018, 02:31:49 PM
Also. Who cares? Beauty pageants are pretty dumb, imo

The old fucks that run them are usually wrong anyway

So do you think these women shouldn't try to boost their self esteem after working on making themselves attractive?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 06, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 06, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
So do you think these women shouldn't try to boost their self esteem after working on making themselves attractive?
1: I don't think they need the approval of old, crusty men to boost their self esteem. Men don't need the approval of old dusty women for that.
2:even if they did, the pageants are pretty biased anyway
3: that is an incredibly loaded question lol

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Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 06, 2018, 05:54:51 PM
Good.
Quote from: Munch on June 06, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
So do you think these women shouldn't try to boost their self esteem after working on making themselves attractive?
Wat?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Munch on June 06, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 06, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
1: I don't think they need the approval of old, crusty men to boost their self esteem. Men don't need the approval of old dusty women for that.
2:even if they did, the pageants are pretty biased anyway
3: that is an incredibly loaded question lol

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let me ask, because this was pushed on by women in a feminist movement to get the show broken down due to them feeling offended by attractive well proportioned women.

Suppose this same thing happened, but it was because of conservatives getting it banned or cut down due to their highly conservative 'we must protect the children from filth!' mindset?

Because to me, a feminist getting a show censored due to feeling offended by 'social preconceptions of what attractive women are' and a conservative getting it censored due to disgruntled old people bitching about 'slutty women, hide the children!', I just see these two things the exact same.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Munch on June 06, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on June 06, 2018, 05:54:51 PM
Good. Wat?

same question to you, suppose this show was broken by conservatives. Would you think its great then, or would you complain about conservatives ruining something else?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 06, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 06, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
same question to you, suppose this show was broken by conservatives. Would you think its great then, or would you complain about conservatives ruining something else?
Yes. That's totally what I would do.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2018, 06:14:11 PM
Haha ... Over 3 billion women, most of whom are not physically attractive.  Not that there is anything wrong with looking like John Kerry's sister ;-)

Would rather watch Rue Paul's drag queens than most so called women.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 06, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 06, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
let me ask, because this was pushed on by women in a feminist movement to get the show broken down due to them feeling offended by attractive well proportioned women.

Suppose this same thing happened, but it was because of conservatives getting it banned or cut down due to their highly conservative 'we must protect the children from filth!' mindset?

Because to me, a feminist getting a show censored due to feeling offended by 'social preconceptions of what attractive women are' and a conservative getting it censored due to disgruntled old people bitching about 'slutty women, hide the children!', I just see these two things the exact same.
I feel this is off topic from my comment for many reasons, but the biggest reason for me being not the person to answer those questions is I'm not a feminist and I'm not a woman.

I was just stating my view on the matter.

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Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 06:57:39 PM
Damn, this is really triggering people?

Snowflakes these days...

God forbid a program that, by it's own admission, is all about "giving these women a shot at scholarships to top universities", focus more on their intellectual capacity rather than how sexy they are. Obviously when considering which woman is most deserving of a college scholarship how big her tits is are the first priority.

Of course, everyone knows thats not "the point" of Miss America... but if they want to say it is, then they have to act like it. It's not like it's the only pageant in town. Nor does it mean they cant dress "sexily", like pr wanted to imply with the hijab; there is still a section where they are free to choose any outfit they like, rather than be given a stock swimsuit that might not even necessarily fit their complexion of body shape.

Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 06, 2018, 07:06:14 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 06, 2018, 05:56:17 PM
let me ask, because this was pushed on by women in a feminist movement to get the show broken down due to them feeling offended by attractive well proportioned women.


Well first of all, that's complete bullshit.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Munch on June 06, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 06:57:39 PM
Damn, this is really triggering people?

Snowflakes these days...


yeah your right, triggered snowflakes reacted to attractive women in these contests and bitched until they changed the show.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 06, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
yeah your right, triggered snowflakes reacted to attractive women in these contests and bitched until they changed the show.


Since you missed it the first time...

QuoteNor does it mean they cant dress "sexily", like pr wanted to imply with the hijab; there is still a section where they are free to choose any outfit they like, rather than be given a stock swimsuit that might not even necessarily fit their complexion of body shape.

They are completely free to dress as sexy and attractive as they like under the new rules. This benefits them because they actually have a choice of what sexy outfit they want to don rather than be given a stock outfit that might not fit their appearance.

So, yeah... CLEARLY those boogiewomen you are getting so triggered about won...

:roll:

And again, are you wishing to imply that the primary purpose of a contest that claims to be about giving women a chance to win a scholarship to top tier universities should be primarily focused on appearance? After all this opened more of the show for them to express intellectual ideas rather than just being eye candy, which should be the main concern of someone trying to get scholarship money.

Why are you anti-intellectualism, Munch? Because some idiot on Youtube told you to be?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 07:32:29 PM
Also, those "feminist boogiemen"?

Yeah, turns out alot of them are former winners of the Miss America contest who were consistently harassed and demeaned by the previous management staff of the competition. They wanted this competition (again, that is about winning a scholarship to university) to be about the character of the winner who will be going to college rather than just her appearance.

God, that sounds fucking terrible! What a bunch of selfish, SJW bitches, amirite?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 06, 2018, 07:42:21 PM
Feminists don't shave their armpits and hate men. They are terrifying!
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Munch on June 06, 2018, 07:52:36 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 07:25:09 PM

And again, are you wishing to imply that the primary purpose of a contest that claims to be about giving women a chance to win a scholarship to top tier universities should be primarily focused on appearance? After all this opened more of the show for them to express intellectual ideas rather than just being eye candy, which should be the main concern of someone trying to get scholarship money.


I didn't imply anything of the sort, you were the one making that claim.

bit of a reality check, the reward of scholarship is just a prize. The purpose of the show is for people to look at attractive women showcasing themselves, and thats its purpose. Its not high art, its just cheap and cheerful entertainment.

Quote
Why are you anti-intellectualism, Munch? Because some idiot on Youtube told you to be?
yes I know you'd like it to be that easy because having a scapegoat is fun. I'm all for intellectualism, but I'm all for entertainment and knowing what something is also, not just changing it to appease people whining needlessly about a shows standards.
It would be the exact same if you had an historic documentary program on, but they threw in people twerking at random though the program.

People don't tune into shows or programs like this because they want to watch women being clever, sorry if that burns but its true. And if these women are super intelligent, which many of them are, good for them, many of them seem more secure about parading themselves around then certain people are with watching them doing so.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 07:59:11 PM
QuoteI didn't imply anything of the sort, you were the one making that claim.

You seem incredibly peeved that they are shifting the focus to their brains rather than their bodies, so that inherently carries that claim with it.

QuoteThe purpose of the show is for people to look at attractive women showcasing themselves, and thats its purpose.

And now it's not. Deal with it.

QuoteIt would be the exact same if you had an historic documentary program on, but they threw in people twerking at random though the program.

If by, "it would be the exact same..." you mean that is not even remotely a like for like comparison, than sure I can get on board with that. I have my doubts that's what you meant, but hey... it's the internet, sometimes meaning get's lost.

QuotePeople don't tune into shows or programs like this because they want to watch women being clever, sorry if that burns but its true.

Fine, they can go watch a different show then. Sorry if that burns, but it's true.

I love that on literally any nearly any given topic here, you take the most conservative position (I mean that in a more literal sense rather than a political sense)... and then want to beat people over the head over how moderate you are and how everyone just needs to be a moderate like you and get past their own ideological blinders.

Like, dude, you are peeved enough to get testy about a fucking beauty contest (and yes, I do believe that's what it is) being changed to focus more on a woman's brains because... well, for no reason other than it's changing. Who... the fuck...cares? It's a beauty contest I have the feeling you have literally not watched a second of in your life, and you are invested in it being changed because you want to conserve the "old ways".


If you look up the textbook definition of being conservative, that would be an example given underneath.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2018, 08:02:07 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 06, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
yeah your right, triggered snowflakes reacted to attractive women in these contests and bitched until they changed the show.

The neck-beards can't get any dates, particularly with the overly attractive young women, that by virtue of their superior Left intellects, they think they deserve dates with ;-))  I used to be one ... see next comment ...
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2018, 08:04:00 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on June 06, 2018, 07:42:21 PM
Feminists don't shave their armpits and hate men. They are terrifying!

Having been married for 17 years to a woman, no ... no longer afraid of women.  That happened earlier when I was dating.  Fear of rejection, not fear of ugly dike appearance and behavior.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
Quote from: Baruch on June 06, 2018, 08:02:07 PM
The neck-beards can't get any dates, particularly with the overly attractive young women, that by virtue of their superior Left intellects, they think they deserve dates with ;-))  I used to be one ... see next comment ...

Funny enough, that is probably partly true; I haven't had much luck with dates. Friends with benefits with the Mexican-Colombian girl I work with though? Worked pretty well so far. Mostly talk politics and social issues at work, hooked up a few times and now are wingmen for each other... and could easily hook back up if we wanted to.

The glorious communist beard, blue hair, tattoos and leftist ideology has done me no wrong, anyways. I suppose I cant attest for all though...



Oddly enough, women have been much more engaging after I got over that stupid "other side, different type of human!" bullshit conservatives like to teach about them. It's almost like all they actually want is to be treated like human beings instead of mythical beings or baby makers.

I found that quite shocking. Who woulda guessed it?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: SGOS on June 06, 2018, 08:55:13 PM
Quote from: pr126 on June 06, 2018, 01:44:39 PM
"we will no longer judge our candidates on their appearance." Just virtue signalling?
I guess it's time to switch over to porn.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2018, 09:15:54 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
Funny enough, that is probably partly true; I haven't had much luck with dates. Friends with benefits with the Mexican-Colombian girl I work with though? Worked pretty well so far. Mostly talk politics and social issues at work, hooked up a few times and now are wingmen for each other... and could easily hook back up if we wanted to.

The glorious communist beard, blue hair, tattoos and leftist ideology has done me no wrong, anyways. I suppose I cant attest for all though...



Oddly enough, women have been much more engaging after I got over that stupid "other side, different type of human!" bullshit conservatives like to teach about them. It's almost like all they actually want is to be treated like human beings instead of mythical beings or baby makers.

I found that quite shocking. Who woulda guessed it?

Dating is a bitch/bastard.  So you are an applied psychologist?  Not projecting your SJW on every woman you meet (unless you are looking for the future Mrs Lenin)?  Listening to them?  Well then there is hope.  Otherwise one is just a horny teenager.  Some people never grow past that.  That will always trump ideology.

But per Freud, most of whose patients were wealthy neurotic Jewish women, don't expect to ever understand them.  Also they will never understand you.  Somehow chemistry can happen.  It only takes one negative to be a turnoff.  Both young people are looking for some ideal perfection.  This is a mistake of course, but young people are immature by definition.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2018, 09:17:13 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 06, 2018, 08:55:13 PM
I guess it's time to switch over to porn.

Porn is always superior.  That is why it is such a threat to a live relationship.  This is why idealism, being so much more attractive than ugly reality, leads societies to destruction (like a male who only jerks off and never eats).
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: pr126 on June 06, 2018, 11:34:20 PM
Why do women spend billions on makeup, perfume, clothing?

To look attractive to men.

Simple biology that the SJW's fail to understand. Ideology beats biology.

Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: pr126 on June 06, 2018, 11:34:20 PM
Why do women spend billions on makeup, perfume, clothing?

To look attractive to men.

Simple biology that the SJW's fail to understand. Ideology beats biology.

They say ... no, to feel good about themselves, then to compete with other women, giving a damn about guys is a distant third.  Women are incredibly insecure (comes with that gender), are very competitive (unfortunately also against men), and really aren't that much into intimate relationships (given the obvious liability and cyclical hormones).  I only know this because my wife told me so.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 07, 2018, 10:37:55 AM
Quote from: pr126 on June 06, 2018, 11:34:20 PM
Why do women spend billions on makeup, perfume, clothing?

To look attractive to men.

Simple biology that the SJW's fail to understand. Ideology beats biology.


This concept seems to me missing some important details.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 07, 2018, 10:38:30 AM
Quote from: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 12:04:35 AM
They say ... no, to feel good about themselves, then to compete with other women, giving a damn about guys is a distant third.  Women are incredibly insecure (comes with that gender), are very competitive (unfortunately also against men), and really aren't that much into intimate relationships (given the obvious liability and cyclical hormones).  I only know this because my wife told me so.
Gosh, you say the smartest things.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: pr126 on June 07, 2018, 11:15:55 AM
(https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2018-06/206747_5_.jpg)
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 07, 2018, 11:43:33 AM
Quote from: pr126 on June 07, 2018, 11:15:55 AM
(https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2018-06/206747_5_.jpg)
That is retarded.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: SGOS on June 07, 2018, 12:20:04 PM
These contests have universal global appeal.  People love to watch women strut their stuff, but no one takes the interview portion of the competition seriously.  If anything, people made jokes about how redundant the answers were, and how well the women memorized the them.  Which one of these women was the best at saying, "If everyone would skip one meal a week, we could feed all the starving children." 

Some of the women abused everything the pageant stood for (whatever that was).  They treated the Pageant as a doorway to becoming Playboy centerfolds.  That's where the real money was, and you didn't have to spend your winnings on going to college while you were upholding the greater ideals of the Pageant.  Sure, you had to relinquish your title:  "Oh, I'm like sooo disappointed for backsliding into slutsville, and letting all the rest of the girls down."  The ones that did try to be female role models got lost in obscurity.

I haven't watched a one of these things in 30 years, but you know what?   I might just watch the next one.  Probably not, but it could happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmxzch2qmY


Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on June 07, 2018, 10:38:30 AM
Gosh, you say the smartest things.

Thanks.

Actually you are a woman of few words ... have you been married to a woman too?

PS, I don't have to see a woman naked to appreciate her, it is easier if she keeps her clothes on.  And Muslim (ethnic) women are as attractive as any other.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Munch on June 07, 2018, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on June 07, 2018, 11:43:33 AM
That is retarded.

And your well thought responses are pure Shakespeare
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 12:59:46 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 07, 2018, 12:55:41 PM
And your well thought responses are pure Shakespeare

Laconic.  Don't mess with Spartan women or you or your gonads will be sorry.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ceti-EoUMAEnKOI.jpg)
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Mermaid on June 07, 2018, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 07, 2018, 12:55:41 PM
And your well thought responses are pure Shakespeare
Aren't they though?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 07, 2018, 02:26:04 PM
Hey @Munch and @pr126 This should help you guys. (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsession)
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 07, 2018, 03:50:26 PM
People still watch Miss America?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Munch on June 07, 2018, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 07, 2018, 02:26:04 PM
Hey @Munch and @pr126 This should help you guys. (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsession)

I'd like some context to that. What would I be obsessed over a pageant of female models for?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 07, 2018, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 07, 2018, 04:05:23 PM
I'd like some context to that. What would I be obsessed over a pageant of female models for?

Because stereotyping gay culture?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 07, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ceti-EoUMAEnKOI.jpg)

Reminds me of teen vs sex goddess boobs.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 07, 2018, 06:32:39 PM
Because stereotyping gay culture?

Only drag queens, and drag queens dress better than women.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 07, 2018, 06:51:49 PM
Quote from: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
Only drag queens, and drag queens dress better than women.

And win contests too! lol

Which brings the heated question is the questioning of transgender in beauty pageants what sparked an attack on Miss America or the feminist SJW Nazis trying to control what women can and cannot do? Also is that against women's civil rights that feminists are fighting for or is it just women fighting other women?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 07, 2018, 06:51:49 PM
And win contests too! lol

Which brings the heated question is the questioning of transgender in beauty pageants what sparked an attack on Miss America or the feminist SJW Nazis trying to control what women can and cannot do? Also is that against women's civil rights that feminists are fighting for or is it just women fighting other women?

My answer is ... yes.  Those aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 07, 2018, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: Baruch on June 07, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
My answer is ... yes.  Those aren't mutually exclusive.

To which question?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 07, 2018, 07:32:08 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 07, 2018, 04:05:23 PM
I'd like some context to that. What would I be obsessed over a pageant of female models for?

Don't know, which makes it confusing why you are upset about miss America being changed...
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: PickelledEggs on June 07, 2018, 11:02:15 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 07, 2018, 04:05:23 PM
What would I be obsessed over a pageant of female models for?
That's what I'd like to know. That is what the joke is.


(https://i.imgur.com/9nohQh4.jpg)
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 12:38:07 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 07:25:09 PM

Since you missed it the first time...

They are completely free to dress as sexy and attractive as they like under the new rules. This benefits them because they actually have a choice of what sexy outfit they want to don rather than be given a stock outfit that might not fit their appearance.

So, yeah... CLEARLY those boogiewomen you are getting so triggered about won...

:roll:

And again, are you wishing to imply that the primary purpose of a contest that claims to be about giving women a chance to win a scholarship to top tier universities should be primarily focused on appearance? After all this opened more of the show for them to express intellectual ideas rather than just being eye candy, which should be the main concern of someone trying to get scholarship money.

Why are you anti-intellectualism, Munch? Because some idiot on Youtube told you to be?

The purpose of the beauty pageants is not to show off women's skills and talents.  It is to show off their bodies.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2018, 01:16:00 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 07, 2018, 07:05:49 PM
To which question?

Colloquial for ... yes to all of them lol.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: pr126 on June 08, 2018, 02:06:16 AM
Cavebear wrote:
QuoteThe purpose of the beauty pageants is not to show off women's skills and talents.  It is to show off their bodies.

But... but... isn't that sexist? Objectifying women?

Ignoring the fact that women do WANT to display their bodies. No one is forcing them to do it.

Come to think of it, feminist also displaying their bodies, although in a negative, unfeminine manner.

Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 02:46:27 AM
Quote from: pr126 on June 08, 2018, 02:06:16 AM
Cavebear wrote:
But... but... isn't that sexist? Objectifying women?

Ignoring the fact that women do WANT to display their bodies. No one is forcing them to do it.

Come to think of it, feminist also displaying their bodies, although in a negative, unfeminine manner.

Beauty pageants:  Economic factors, dreams, illusions, etc...
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 08, 2018, 03:03:22 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 12:38:07 AM
The purpose of the beauty pageants is not to show off women's skills and talents.  It is to show off their bodies.

It was, and now it's not.

Such is life.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 03:29:06 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 08, 2018, 03:03:22 AM
It was, and now it's not.

Such is life.

Darn, I really messed up a quote,  Sorry.

PR126 said "But... but... isn't that sexist? Objectifying women?

Ignoring the fact that women do WANT to display their bodies. No one is forcing them to do it.

Come to think of it, feminist also displaying their bodies, although in a negative, unfeminine manner."

*I* said in return "Beauty pageants:  Economic factors, dreams, illusions, etc..."

My apologies for the confusion...

Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 03:56:21 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 08, 2018, 03:03:22 AM
It was, and now it's not.

Such is life.

How is it not? Because a group of women who call themselves better out of jealousy (EQUALITY) say so? Or is their fanbase who are total nuts that they sue and destroy everything because their crybaby assholes. Its great for business because fat cats can get richer by siding with the "victims" and sell products and possibly rename Miss America to something else like if your full of equality (ugly as shit) you win. Lying to the public has never been so easy with brainwashed zealots who are hell bent on buying your products that promote hypocrisy and suing every man for being a pig. Even the so called male feminist will not know their getting fucked because they are too stupid to know modern feminism doesn't equal equality but near enslavement to the all mighty uterus.

Yes there is sexism and not much women's rights, but feminism should never had lead itself down the debauchery path for its a path of inequality and hate. Progress demands time and little by little its getting better but if we speed it up with this abomination of hate we will step backward in time. You cannot fight hate with hate it will only bring more hate.

As for the subject of women consenting to display their bods, isn't the true feminist thing to do is root for them and fap mentally to those sexy women? For lust is just a nother form of love if all parties are consenting.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 08, 2018, 04:33:13 AM
I am not sure how many times I will have to repeat that the women still have a section of the competition where they are free to choose their attire, which in the long run benefits them more because the swimsuit competition used stock outfits that may not necessarily fit their body type and complexion. In terms of "sexiness", this benefits the contestants who want to take that angle.

No one is taking "teh sexie wemens" away ffs.

Seriously, yall dudes are fucking acting like it's now just going to be a bunch of Susan Boyles and Burka models and that this is the signal of the fall of Western civilization. I know I have been sarcastically throwing the snowflake thing back at yall, but jesus christ in all seriousness yall are taking the phrase "drama queens" to the next level.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 04:53:02 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 08, 2018, 04:33:13 AM
I am not sure how many times I will have to repeat that the women still have a section of the competition where they are free to choose their attire, which in the long run benefits them more because the swimsuit competition used stock outfits that may not necessarily fit their body type and complexion. In terms of "sexiness", this benefits the contestants who want to take that angle.

No one is taking "teh sexie wemens" away ffs.

Seriously, yall dudes are fucking acting like it's now just going to be a bunch of Susan Boyles and Burka models and that this is the signal of the fall of Western civilization. I know I have been sarcastically throwing the snowflake thing back at yall, but jesus christ in all seriousness yall are taking the phrase "drama queens" to the next level.

Says the SJW politically correct femnazi. You are just denying everything you said to fit your agenda.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Shiranu on June 08, 2018, 05:04:33 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 04:53:02 AM
Says the SJW politically correct femnazi. You are just denying everything you said to fit your agenda.

I have literally said that exact same thing since page one, so... sure.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 05:06:01 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 03:56:21 AM
How is it not? Because a group of women who call themselves better out of jealousy (EQUALITY) say so? Or is their fanbase who are total nuts that they sue and destroy everything because their crybaby assholes. Its great for business because fat cats can get richer by siding with the "victims" and sell products and possibly rename Miss America to something else like if your full of equality (ugly as shit) you win. Lying to the public has never been so easy with brainwashed zealots who are hell bent on buying your products that promote hypocrisy and suing every man for being a pig. Even the so called male feminist will not know their getting fucked because they are too stupid to know modern feminism doesn't equal equality but near enslavement to the all mighty uterus.

Yes there is sexism and not much women's rights, but feminism should never had lead itself down the debauchery path for its a path of inequality and hate. Progress demands time and little by little its getting better but if we speed it up with this abomination of hate we will step backward in time. You cannot fight hate with hate it will only bring more hate.

As for the subject of women consenting to display their bods, isn't the true feminist thing to do is root for them and fap mentally to those sexy women? For lust is just a nother form of love if all parties are consenting.

With that logic, slavery should still exist, just fading out slowly.  And rape would be routine.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 05:23:02 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 05:06:01 AM
With that logic, slavery should still exist, just fading out slowly.  And rape would be routine.

Do you not know what consent means?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 05:29:21 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 05:23:02 AM
Do you not know what consent means?

Indeed I do.  In fact, to me, it means informed, sober, willing and enthusiastic consent.  Do you have some other definition?  If so, will you please explain it?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 05:33:31 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 05:29:21 AM
Indeed I do.  In fact, to me, it means informed, sober, willing and enthusiastic consent.  Do you have some other definition?  If so, will you please explain it?

So how is my logic plausable for rape and slaves if I said "consent". I don't think anyone can say rape or slavery is consensual. Read my posts good sir.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 05:55:48 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 05:33:31 AM
So how is my logic plausable for rape and slaves if I said "consent". I don't think anyone can say rape or slavery is consensual. Read my posts good sir.

The definition of "consent" seems to vary genderly, and most of your post was pretty much insulting to women.  So you can draw any conclusion you like.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 06:07:15 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 05:55:48 AM
The definition of "consent" seems to vary genderly, and most of your post was pretty much insulting to women.  So you can draw any conclusion you like.

Again how am I insulting women? Due to notions because I say fap to their awesome bodies that they consequently show to attract attention on miss America or is my argument against feminism that isn't true equality because if its anyone of these then you are certainly looney.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: SGOS on June 08, 2018, 06:19:48 AM
Mr. America and Mr. Universe were both sanctioned competitions involving partially clad men.  I don't think they even bothered judging  on poise questions about their aspirations and goals.  And the competitors showed up for the purpose of putting as much testosterone on the stage as they could.  I don't care if some women want to do the same, or if some want something different.

Frankly, I doubt if there will be a big change in the Miss America contest.  It is what it is, and people understand this, even if some people don't like it.  But I don't watch it anyway, so if they change it, it's really not going to affect me one way or the other.

Why not have two contests, one for women that want to be judged on the perfect stereotype of womanhood, and one for those who want to be judged on mastery of a specialized field of academia?  Or we could just give them IQ tests, and use hard numbers as the determining metric, rather than some old bald guys making subjective judgments of their own.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 06:28:01 AM
Quote from: SGOS on June 08, 2018, 06:19:48 AM
Mr. America and Mr. Universe were both sanctioned competitions involving partially clad men.  I don't think they even bothered judging  on poise questions about their aspirations and goals.  And the competitors showed up for the purpose of putting as much testosterone on the stage as they could.  I don't care if some women want to do the same, or if some want something different.

Frankly, I doubt if there will be a big change in the Miss America contest.  It is what it is, and people understand this, even if some people don't like it.  But I don't watch it anyway, so if they change it, it's really not going to affect me one way or the other.

Why not have two contests, one for women that want to be judged on the perfect stereotype of womanhood, and one for those who want to be judged on mastery of a specialized field of academia?  Or we could just give them IQ tests, and use hard numbers as the determining metric, rather than some old bald guys making subjective judgments of their own.

Well the musclebound guys were blatant about themselves (as guys tend to be).  But quite frankly, they were mostly of interest to guys like Munch and not me.

And I might mention that I equally have not watched a Miss America or Miss Universe contest either.  The winners are never the ones *I* would choose (as if it matterred).

Both the contests are a bit idiotic.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 06:49:24 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 06:28:01 AM
Well the musclebound guys were blatant about themselves (as guys tend to be).  But quite frankly, they were mostly of interest to guys like Munch and not me.

And I might mention that I equally have not watched a Miss America or Miss Universe contest either.  The winners are never the ones *I* would choose (as if it matterred).

Both the contests are a bit idiotic.

Then don't watch it, don't talk about it, and don't even protect the victim feminazi's trying to shut it down with their agendas. Because i'm pretty sure its not about being idiotic to them its about the patriarchy and how other women are consenting to the contest.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2018, 07:16:02 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 06:49:24 AM
Then don't watch it, don't talk about it, and don't even protect the victim feminazi's trying to shut it down with their agendas. Because i'm pretty sure its not about being idiotic to them its about the patriarchy and how other women are consenting to the contest.

Feminist women are big on cock-blocking other feminist women, and despise any women who aren't even feminist.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2018, 07:19:51 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 05:06:01 AM
With that logic, slavery should still exist, just fading out slowly.  And rape would be routine.

I want my free lunch now!  I want my 72 perpetual virgins now! - says Jihadi.

Rape happens every day, just not at your house.  Not right, just a fact.  Slavery still exists, not just wage and debt slavery (which grow by the day) but chattel slavery (thru human trafficking and prostituting of teenage girls).  Must be Tomorrowland where you live.  Yeah, you were in Washington DC for decades.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2018, 07:21:10 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 02:46:27 AM
Beauty pageants:  Economic factors, dreams, illusions, etc...

We are all slaves to historical dialectic ... Karl Marx

Let the cadre of the revolution free the proletariat one last time!
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 08, 2018, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 04:53:02 AM
Says the SJW politically correct femnazi. You are just denying everything you said to fit your agenda.
(https://i.imgur.com/I92JkJh.jpg)
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 08:40:36 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 08, 2018, 04:25:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/I92JkJh.jpg)

I saved that one...
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 08, 2018, 04:25:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/I92JkJh.jpg)

Go fuck yourself. I have stated my argument and got rejected and sneered at and now you asshols are coming to sav the victim and making fun of m.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 08:52:11 PM
Go fuck yourself. I have stated my argument and got rejected and sneered at and now you asshols are coming to sav the victim and making fun of m.

Your argument was read and judged.  If it was "rejected and sneered at", you should perhaps consider that and either improve the argument or accept the rejection of it. 
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 09:49:17 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 09:21:26 PM
Your argument was read and judged.  If it was "rejected and sneered at", you should perhaps consider that and either improve the argument or accept the rejection of it. 

Or that that rejection is by radical left haters who bully the middle left because they obviously are a bunch of snobbish zealots who are so full of shit they think their better than anyone else.

Of course I my opinions never matter because if I argue against modern feminism, SJW's and politically correct PC's: I'm bigoted, sexist, racist man pig who has fucking "privileges" and doesn't know fucking shit.

Ive met many PC's in life and on the internet who point at mee saying i'm not worthy of being a good person whil trying to fit in and striving to be a better person. My past is covered with racism against white people, hate on males, and millions of fingers pointing to me and laughing saying they are more sacred than a white male like me and sometimes I cry and cannot stand it. Why cannot I be special as these people who are "protected". The answer is because I have white skin and a penis and that cannot b allowed because equality means to them domination and enslavement of all those who aren't protected. For the children of the unprotected class to be hated and enslaved for all time.

To me Pc's are those possessed of rage and darkness and do not care about equality but of simply revenge and domination.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 10:03:39 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 09:49:17 PM
Or that that rejection is by radical left haters who bully the middle left because they obviously are a bunch of snobbish zealots who are so full of shit they think their better than anyone else.

Of course I my opinions never matter because if I argue against modern feminism, SJW's and politically correct PC's: I'm bigoted, sexist, racist man pig who has fucking "privileges" and doesn't know fucking shit.

Ive met many PC's in life and on the internet who point at mee saying i'm not worthy of being a good person whil trying to fit in and striving to be a better person. My past is covered with racism against white people, hate on males, and millions of fingers pointing to me and laughing saying they are more sacred than a white male like me and sometimes I cry and cannot stand it. Why cannot I be special as these people who are "protected". The answer is because I have white skin and a penis and that cannot b allowed because quality mans to them domination and enslavement of all those who aren't protected. For the children of the unprotected class to be hated and enslaved for all time.

To me Pc's are those possessed of rage and darkness and do not care about equality but of simply revenge and domination.

WOW!  I am White and Male and do not feel threatened like you seem to be.  I'm almost not sure where to go next here...  But I will try.

Throughout history, White Males have not always been exactly the epitome of civilization.  At one time it was Chinese, another time, the Asian Indians, then Middle Easterners, etc.  Yes, Males have been in charge though (there have been local exceptions). 

I could go deeply into cultural and biological reasons for that, but I don't want to type for 6 hours.

But your anger is disturbing.  According to you, I should feel the same.  I do not.  During my life, I have found non-Whites and Females to be about equal to White Males in general (I do have a slight personal feeling of superiority).

So what exactly are you afraid of?
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 11:44:54 PM
I fear people in general. Their capable hands of repeating history over and over again. What history you ask? The mere endless waltz of destruction is so infused within people. For fear is the pinnacle of destruction and this war over radical left and radical right will escalate  eventually just like everything else, and implode on everything including me stuck in the crossfire. Only the power of love and compassion towards others can stop it. Yet I try  to stop it with logic and compassion yet because hate filled people insisting I'm the enemy I always the on losing.

I often look at fantasy and see the hero fighting off the evil villain. In reality villains fight each other for the right to be king. And your just there a peasant canon fodder whose stuck in the crossfire.

All these words are heavily symbolic and philosophical.

My main belief is that all men and women should be equal and their paths should be respected. So I'm no Feminist but I love women. I also love men and believe that both women & men should love respect each other.  A dream yes but I belief and hope for it. Meanwhile I live in a hate filled world where people are quick to point fingers.

So for this thread so debated because women choose to do what they do in these contests its their show. Leave them alone and have nice day.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 06:53:23 AM
Cavebear - I also don't feel threatened (in reality), but react rhetorically, to the New Left (circa 1960s until today).  It is necessary political opposition in both directions.  But you and I are truly privileged, there is nothing average about either of us.  Similarly, neo-Nazis are a rhetorical opponent.  They aren't parading much in my neighborhood.

Draconic Aiur - yes, the Left also plays the "not a true Lenin" card.  And with free speech, true pure Marxism can be found on the Internet in English.  And some advocacy in other parts of the Internet ... reflect that.  There will always be political extremists (psychos) who are willing to skin you alive for what you say or what you are.  Try not to worry too much about it.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: SGOS on June 10, 2018, 09:11:58 AM
A friend of mine observed one time, something simple, but which got emblazoned in my memory banks. He said, "Some women hate men, but there are women who like men.  They just like the whole idea of the thing."  I don't know why such a simple observation made that impression on me.  It doesn't even cover the whole spectrum of ways men and women interact.  But I was taken by the words, "just like the whole idea of the thing."  I've known women like that.  They seem to turn the whole female/male interaction thing into their person playground, and they come to life, and I've known the other extreme too, where women do hold a deep seated grudge against men.

First, men do the same. Second, while men and women have differences, we have many similarities in our variety of predispositions toward the opposite sex and life in general.  And the wonderful thing about it is that we choose which route to take.  There is really no need for anger over someone else's anger.  But you can join in and experience the richness of variety there is to explore if you want.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 04:36:25 AM
Quote from: SGOS on June 10, 2018, 09:11:58 AM
A friend of mine observed one time, something simple, but which got emblazoned in my memory banks. He said, "Some women hate men, but there are women who like men.  They just like the whole idea of the thing."  I don't know why such a simple observation made that impression on me.  It doesn't even cover the whole spectrum of ways men and women interact.  But I was taken by the words, "just like the whole idea of the thing."  I've known women like that.  They seem to turn the whole female/male interaction thing into their person playground, and they come to life, and I've known the other extreme too, where women do hold a deep seated grudge against men.

First, men do the same. Second, while men and women have differences, we have many similarities in our variety of predispositions toward the opposite sex and life in general.  And the wonderful thing about it is that we choose which route to take.  There is really no need for anger over someone else's anger.  But you can join in and experience the richness of variety there is to explore if you want.

Just a minor point, but if men and women don't get along at some level, we won't have to concern ourselves about the details for very long.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: SGOS on June 11, 2018, 07:18:18 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 04:36:25 AM
Just a minor point, but if men and women don't get along at some level, we won't have to concern ourselves about the details for very long.
And that cannot be overstated, IMO.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2018, 01:01:15 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 11, 2018, 07:18:18 AM
And that cannot be overstated, IMO.

Not a problem.  There is no teleology, no manifest destiny, no divine providence ... no progress.  Just random events that people insist on interpreting.
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 11, 2018, 07:18:18 AM
And that cannot be overstated, IMO.

Yep, 5,000 adult healthy men and 5,000 adult healthy women and if we can't get along, 0!
Title: Re: MISS AMERICA IS DEAD!
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2018, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
Yep, 5,000 adult healthy men and 5,000 adult healthy women and if we can't get long, 0!

Never happened ... unhealthy monkeys making out with other unhealthy monkeys, not necessarily of the opposite sex.  Survival of a species is strictly optional, and not guaranteed.