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Title: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Shiranu on May 26, 2018, 02:12:26 PM

For once, I can post a bit of good news.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44256152 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44256152)


QuoteThe Republic of Ireland has voted overwhelmingly to overturn the abortion ban by 66.4% to 33.6%.


A referendum held on Friday resulted in a landslide win for the repeal side.


Currently, abortion is only allowed when a woman's life is at risk, but not in cases of rape, incest or fatal foetal abnormality.


The Eighth Amendment, which grants an equal right to life to the mother and unborn, will be replaced.

87% of young voters voted in favour of repealing the abortion ban. Just like Brexit, it was young people who had to try to be the voice of reason... and I think that's something we Americans need to learn from. Ireland, from LGBT rights to women rights in an extremely conservative and Catholic country, is having it's bigoted and sexist laws torn down by young people getting out and voting.

If we want to see positive change in the United States, we have got to encourage our youth to get out and vote, show them that even in more conservative countries like Ireland the youth are overpowering the conservative, bigoted elderly and getting the changes that need to be made done.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 26, 2018, 02:35:21 PM
Yes, stop breeding. We need the space and resources for the third world migrants.
Replacing you with those who will vote for us.

Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, Europe for everybody?

Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Munch on May 26, 2018, 03:16:59 PM
sorry Pr, but for once I'm going to have to agree totally with Shiranu on this one.

I'm not lost on the fact europe, including uk and ireland, faces the ever growing issue of migrants flooding in, that is a problem and it will only get worse.

But fact of the matter is, the reasoning that 'we need more babies of our own kind' as the excuse for why there shouldn't be abortions is just fucked up. Because is sents a very messed up notion that women who are raped should still have children, women who face serious birth complications and who could die without an abortion, or just sets up a bit of a nieve idea that every woman whos having a babies wants the baby, and it won't end up in a foster home abandoned and unloved.

Sorry but you have this so wrong this time. This is a medical procedure to give women who have been raped, or have unwanted pregnancies since sometimes contraceptives fail, to give them the chance to not either face an unwanted child or die to such complications.

I put forward the case of Savita Halappanavar.

QuoteSavita Halappanavar, a 31-year-old Indian dentist, died on 28 October 2012 at University Hospital Galway in Ireland due to the complications of a septic miscarriage at 17 weeks' gestation. The miscarriage took seven days to unfold, and early in the process, when it was clear that the miscarriage was inevitable, Halappanavar requested an abortion. At that time the medical team had not diagnosed her with a blood infection, and her request was denied because the medical team did not judge that her life was in danger. The medical team eventually did diagnose the sepsis and began trying to treat it, and when they determined that Halappanavar's life was in danger they had planned to administer misoprostol to induce delivery, but the miscarriage completed before they were able to. The sepsis continued developing and she died of cardiac arrest caused by the sepsis.[1]:22-53 Her death caused controversy at the time, nationally and internationally, leading to protests and marches.

After her death, a Coroner’s Inquest was held, finding that she died of medical misadventure.[2] The HSE and HIQA conducted an investigation. Both criticized the team for not diagnosing the sepsis soon enough and for not using already-standard screening tools for detecting and managing maternal sepsis, and for poor keeping of medical records, poor communication at shift changes, and failure to notify staff with needed expertise, and criticized the administration of the hospital for the poor system in which the team failed. They made recommendations about training and policies for the hospital locally along with a number of national recommendations, including the creation of a laboratory system to coordinate a national response to emerging microbial threats.[3] The HSE also recommended changes to the legal situation and training of doctors about the law.[1]

The law in force at the time (the Offences against the Person Act 1861), stated that the act of abortion, where there was no immediate physiological threat to the woman's life to continue the pregnancy, was a criminal offence punishable by life imprisonment. Following a ruling of the Supreme Court of Ireland in 1992â€"now known in Ireland as the X caseâ€"terminations are allowed under certain circumstances, where "a pregnant woman's life is at risk because of pregnancy, including the risk of suicide".[4] However at the time of Halappanavar's death, there was legal uncertainty regarding the precise circumstances in which this exception to preserve the life of the mother would apply in practice, as the matter had not yet been enacted in legislation. The Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013 was passed as a result of her death.

Until recent, ireland was still under such theocratic rule of the church, and only now have managed to pull themselves out of such dark ages governing them.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Unbeliever on May 26, 2018, 03:29:35 PM
I guess the scandals of the past few years have encouraged them to take a good look at the RCC, and regardless of the great new pope, who was put in place for PR purposes, they may be finally waking up to the harm religion can do.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: aitm on May 26, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on May 26, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
Just like Brexit, it was young people who had to try to be the voice of reason..........

If we want to see positive change in the United States, we have got to encourage our youth to get out and vote,


Oh I think its coming like a giant tsunami. If it does, it shall be very impactful...
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 26, 2018, 07:52:01 PM
Quote from: aitm on May 26, 2018, 03:30:56 PM
Oh I think its coming like a giant tsunami. If it does, it shall be very impactful...

The future always belongs to young adults, every decade.  For better or worse.  My parents didn't approve of Baby Boomers either.  But once we graduated from college, or Vietnam, and stopped doing drugs and orgies ... got a job, married, had kids ... we settled down like always.

I think you don't find The Greening Of America to be ironic.  That movement died about the time the book came out.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: aitm on May 26, 2018, 08:06:34 PM
Times do change though...and never before has a generation been so socially aware and available for immediate response as now. Not to say they are any smarter or more socially conscious but certainly more available for immediate response. Whether better or worse.....meh.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 26, 2018, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: aitm on May 26, 2018, 08:06:34 PM
Times do change though...and never before has a generation been so socially aware and available for immediate response as now. Not to say they are any smarter or more socially conscious but certainly more available for immediate response. Whether better or worse.....meh.

New technology reduces attention span to a femto-second ... improvement?
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 26, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT1nObx_12c

We do not mention the importing of millions to Europe who has a  religion/culture that mandates 4 wives and unlimited offsprings.

More than half of the world’s population growth will be in Africa by 2050  (https://qz.com/1016790/more-than-half-of-the-worlds-population-growth-will-be-in-africa-by-2050/)
QuoteBy 2050 around 2.2 billion people could be added to the global population and more than half of that growth will occur in Africa.

Africa will account for the highest population spurt with an additional 1.3 billion people on the continent, a new UN population report shows.

Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 26, 2018, 11:06:05 PM
EU is a continent of hippies?  Groovy, dude.  One giant Woodstock.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 12:11:27 AM
Munch wrote:
QuoteSorry but you have this so wrong this time. This is a medical procedure to give women who have been raped, or have unwanted pregnancies since sometimes contraceptives fail, to give them the chance to not either face an unwanted child or die to such complications.
That's terrible.
How did those rapist and child molesters get to Europe?
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Shiranu on May 27, 2018, 12:22:42 AM
QuoteAfrica for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, Europe for everybody?

QuoteHow did those rapist and child molesters get to Europe?

Damn, you aint even pretending to not be racist anymore. I'm proud you have become more comfortable in your own skin.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 01:53:34 AM
This is the utopia we all crave for!

Inshallah, it will happen. The sooner the better.

If you disagree, you are a hater, a xenophobe, racist Islamophobic Nazi, scum of the earth.

Allah hu Akbar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0hD7IffTJs


Of course, this could never happen to North America. Really.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 04:29:39 AM
Racist?

No, just inconsiderate not wanting to vacate the gene-pool for the more deserving.
Shame on me. I know. Very selfish.

The term “racist” has lost its power. Overused. Anyone not of “color” is racist by default.

White is not a color? Apparently not.
But I am not white. Kinda pinkish, until I get a good suntan.
When I lived in the Middle East, I was brown. Lots of sun!

A Kabuki artist is white.

[(https://www.japan-zone.com/culture/pix/fujimusume.jpg)


Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 27, 2018, 06:57:55 AM
Import 1 billion Chinese. to Shiranu's dorm room.  He gets to pay for the pizza too!
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Jason78 on May 27, 2018, 07:58:12 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 26, 2018, 02:35:21 PM
Yes, stop breeding. We need the space and resources for the third world migrants.
Replacing you with those who will vote for us.

Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, Europe for everybody?

Do you think women should be forced to breed?    That sounds barbaric.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
Jason 78 wrote:
QuoteDo you think women should be forced to breed?    That sounds barbaric.
Interesting question. Barbaric or not, it happens.

The unelected EU leaders have imported millions of young virile breeding stock just for that very purpose.

I think it is called rape.

Also polygamy, which is now practiced in western countries, thanks to multiculturalism.

DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH!
In the video I posted, President Macron stated that European women must inter-breed by state force if necessary.
The second video, start at 4:09

Macron:

QuoteThe goal is to meet the [EU] challenge of interracial marriage.
It is not a choice. It is an obligation.
If voluntarism does not work for the Republic
then the state will move in with more coercive measures.
We must change therefore we will change.

https://youtu.be/K0hD7IffTJs?t=249

Goodbye Europe, hello Eurabia.  (https://www.meforum.org/articles/2006/eurabia-the-euro-arab-axis)
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 27, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
Jason 78 wrote:Interesting question. Barbaric or not, it happens.

The unelected EU leaders have imported millions of young virile breeding stock just for that very purpose.

I think it is called rape.

Also polygamy, which is now practiced in western countries, thanks to multiculturalism.

DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH!

Freedom for criminals.  Stop the oppression.  Empty your jails and give pink slips to the cops.  Don't worry, be Muslim.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
UK: Descent into POLICE STATE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsSVSANPe0
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Hydra009 on May 27, 2018, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 26, 2018, 02:35:21 PMAfrica for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, Europe for everybody?
The reaction from Australia, South Africa, and pretty much all of North and South America:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5rsdAb2htQveg/giphy.gif)

Nativism is fun when it's selectively enforced.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 27, 2018, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 27, 2018, 11:27:22 AM
The reaction from Australia, South Africa, and pretty much all of North and South America:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5rsdAb2htQveg/giphy.gif)

Nativism is fun when it's selectively enforced.

You are only wrong, if you are White or European.  All others are the Master Races ;-)

Get over the fact that the rest of the world has no interest in Western Civ, and is as Machiavelian as the Western Civ is.  Recognize this is a competition.  Women aren't as interested in competition as men are ... so it is necessary to cuckhold the White males, so the White females are free to the non-White males.

Pr126 - Until you get rid of your monarchy and present political system .. GB will continue down the path to 1984.  The British Pound has weakened to nothing since 1914, from that point weakness was endemic ... nearly so in 1939 ... now GB men can't even win a pillow fight with their own women.  You are all Neville Chamberlain now.

"Price of Tea: In 1870 "normal working-class quality" tea sold at 3s. 4d. per pound-weight. In 1889 Lipton tea was offered at "the phenomenally low price" of 1s. 7d. per pound. Neither price can be construed as low, according to relative values in 2008: the 1870 and 1889 prices were £11.90, and £6.50 via the CPI; £16.30,and £8.20 via the GDP deflator; £98.40, and £40.39 via average earnings; £115.20 and £49.20 according to per capita GDP."

from https://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ukcompare/

To convert ... 20 shillings per pound, and 12 pence per shilling.  So the ratio via CPI is 71.4 times more expensive or 82.1 times more expensive ... for a deflation of .014 and .0.012 respectively.  So the pound has fallen 98.6% or 98.8% respectively ... relative to the prince of tea.  How about gold?  The gold content of a British gold sovereign (pound) is 230 pounds today.  Relative to gold, it has a deflation of .0044 or the pound has fallen 99.56%.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 12:00:30 PM
What has western civilization ever given to the world?
Should it survive? The globalist, Marxist say no.

The story goes that Europeans were constantly warring, while the rest of the world was the epitome of peace and tolerance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 27, 2018, 12:13:47 PM
Remember, an African village has a culture, just not one you recognize ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01MZdIRqGU

One one level, people are the same everywhere.  But in all other levels, every culture is different.  If you want everyone to be alike, we have to all live at subsistence level on simple agriculture, hunting and gathering.

Anthropology should teach you to both value all human beings, but value your own tribe as well.

Stretched ear lobs and lower lips ... and you thought kids eating Tide Pods was wacked ;-)

The purpose of cosmopolitanism is to allow imperialists to rule easier ... see Alexander the Great etc.

Mankind in simple cultures, doesn't share common language, instead like in New Guinea, you have many languages.

This is why Sanskrit, Persian and English were important in ruling India.  Why Classical Chinese was important in ruling China.

Here are the San, the oldest African culture, that only came out of hunter/gatherer life style in my lifetime.  Now they are villagers ... and we can no longer go back to living in the Meso-lithic or Paleo-lithic ... we can only go back to Neo-lithic (stones plus agriculture).  There are no fathers/mothers to teach us the oldest ways anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjhhlJ5LIic
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 12:37:17 PM
The worst mistake humans ever done was climbing down from the trees and walk upright.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Shiranu on May 27, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Uh oh, I think this thread might have finally broke pr...
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Jason78 on May 27, 2018, 01:57:36 PM
Quote from: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
Interesting question. Barbaric or not, it happens.

Why are you condoning it?
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 27, 2018, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 12:37:17 PM
The worst mistake humans ever done was climbing down from the trees and walk upright.

I bet it was evil Europeans who did that ;-)
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 27, 2018, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on May 27, 2018, 01:57:36 PM
Why are you condoning it?

He is saying President Macron condones it, provisionally.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on May 27, 2018, 01:57:36 PM
Why are you condoning it?
I do not condone it. Not at all.
I wrote that it happens. The EU state makes it happen.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Shiranu on May 27, 2018, 03:09:19 PM
QuoteRacist?

No...

"I'm not racist! I just think the biggest threat to my race, and the greatest sin of our times, is that the lesser races are allowed to breed in our country! It is disgusting that these lesser races that rape and murder are allowed to come here and breed with our pure, pious and angelic womens and bring down our gene pool! Before they were let in, rape was never a problem! Murder was never a problem!"

Yeah, sure.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Shiranu on May 27, 2018, 03:12:20 PM
Quote from: pr126 on May 26, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT1nObx_12c



Damn, forgot you were pro-homophobia as well.

"We legalized gay marriage to stick it to the Catholic church, to be Marxists! It's just the beginning of the downfall of our civilization!"

For fucks sake.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Munch on May 27, 2018, 03:53:39 PM
Theres been things Dave Cullen's said that I agree with, his defense of Bearing when they terminated his account, his speaking out against the EU's policies and its propaganda, the bullshit that happened to count dankula, the thought crimes thats been slowing perpetuating though political systems, speaking out against the messed up workings of islamic beliefs and those wanting sharia law pushed into the west, identity politics going to far, as well as his product knowledge.

But he does still have conservative values, and that might effect his common sense in things like giving services to people like abortion services. It just shows the fact even if there are people you mostly agree with, you can still disagree with some things they say, and likewise you can be in complete disagreeance with someone on 95% of what they say, but sometimes their say something you do completely agree with.

I do agree with what someone said in the comments of the video above, abortion really isn't something you have to celebrate over, its not really something that you should make a party about, unlike gay marriage or trans rights, because its such a delicate, sensitive procedure. Having the services is the right thing, but having a street party over it is just bizarre.

It be like if a country didn't have a law in place to let families give permission to turn off a family members life support, and then the law passes allowing them, they celebrate with balloons "Yay I can ask them to let my grandpa die now" . Like say, its a sensitive issue on a case by case basis.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Unbeliever on May 27, 2018, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: pr126A Kabuki artist is white.


Well, our Fearless LeaderSpanky is a real Kabuki artist, and he's white...
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Poison Tree on May 27, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
Quote from: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
In the video I posted, President Macron stated that European women must inter-breed by state force if necessary.
Splicing together unrelated bits of a Sarkozy speech to fearmonger about Macron; At what point did even you stop taking your crap seriously?
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Shiranu on May 27, 2018, 10:37:34 PM
Quote from: Poison Tree on May 27, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
Splicing together unrelated bits of a Sarkozy speech to fearmonger about Macron; At what point did even you stop taking your crap seriously?

Seriously, even in the video he posted back when he brought this up, even cut up as it was and translated from French to English, Marcon didn't say that.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Shiranu on May 27, 2018, 11:10:14 PM
Quote... unlike gay marriage or trans rights, because its such a delicate, sensitive procedure. Having the services is the right thing, but having a street party over it is just bizarre.

People shouldn't celebrate that their lives don't have to be ruined because conservative idiots aren't given the right to control someone elses body? Particularly women; men, if they knock someone up, can always just bugger off and leave all the pressure on the woman... but once a woman is pregnant, her life is, essentially, over (unless she wanted the child).

I'm sorry, but nah, fuck that. Celebrate the fuck over conservative (mostly men) not getting to enforce their morality on everyone else and deny people the right to their own body.

QuoteIt be like if a country didn't have a law in place to let families give permission to turn off a family members life support, and then the law passes allowing them, they celebrate with balloons "Yay I can ask them to let my grandpa die now" .

Except it's literally nothing like that, because a family member is (at least, was) a self-aware, fully developed human. A fetus is not, and it's giving the woman choice over her body, not her family members'.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 28, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Poison Tree on May 27, 2018, 08:20:31 PM
Splicing together unrelated bits of a Sarkozy speech to fearmonger about Macron; At what point did even you stop taking your crap seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8yaiN6ew_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNGPah2I9VE


But there are some restrictions:

Asma Lambaret  (http://www.asma-lamrabet.com/articles/what-does-the-qur-an-say-about-the-interfaith-marriage/)

QuoteIt goes without saying that the marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim man is one of the main taboo issues in debates on Islam.

According to a broad consensus religiously sterile, a Muslim woman is formally forbidden to marry a non-Muslim man regardless of his religion, while a Muslim man is allowed to get married to a non Muslim woman, mainly a Christian or a Jew, considered by the Islamic schools as “People of the Book”[1].

What does the Qur’an say about this issue and how does it deal with the marriage of Muslim men and women to non-Muslims?

In the Qur’an, there is only one verse that clearly tackles this issue. It is absolutely the main verse that states a provision on marriage with a category of non-Muslims.

Allah says: “Do not marry idolatresses (al mushrikāt) till they believe; and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress even though she would please you; and do not marry idolaters (al Mushrikīn) till they believe (hata yūminū), and certainly a believing slave is better than an idolater, even though he would please you. These invite to the Fire, and Allah invites to the Garden and to forgiveness by His grace, and makes clear His revelations to mankind so that they may remember.”Qur’an 2:221

Conclusion:

Men wishing to marry Muslim women will have to convert to Islam first.

A Muslim man will command a non-Muslim wife to convert to Islam.

To comply with Sarkozy's idea, Europe will have to become Islamic.





Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Munch on May 28, 2018, 10:31:13 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on May 27, 2018, 11:10:14 PM

Except it's literally nothing like that, because a family member is (at least, was) a self-aware, fully developed human. A fetus is not, and it's giving the woman choice over her body, not her family members'.

okay I'll give you that, I'm talking about it just being an odd thing to celebrate, given how while gay marriage and trans rights is something celebratory, having doctors perform a medical procedure on someone is not exactly a party.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Mermaid on May 28, 2018, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: Munch on May 28, 2018, 10:31:13 AM
okay I'll give you that, I'm talking about it just being an odd thing to celebrate, given how while gay marriage and trans rights is something celebratory, having doctors perform a medical procedure on someone is not exactly a party.
Being able to decide for yourself is definitely a happy thing.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: GSOgymrat on May 28, 2018, 02:53:23 PM
The Irish Jordan Peterson isn't happy about this abortion nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCe557l3MUY
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on May 28, 2018, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on May 28, 2018, 02:53:23 PM
The Irish Jordan Peterson isn't happy about this abortion nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCe557l3MUY

Sorry, but no matter what the blarney, Irish accent is awesome!
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Poison Tree on May 28, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: pr126 on May 28, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8yaiN6ew_g
Yes, this is exactly the bullshit I'm talking about.  Your video is nothing but a Frankenstein's monster cobbled together from fragments ripped out of their original context and sewn together with malice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwPPRYl0xQE&t=820s
For example, the first quote (53 seconds in your video) is from 12:09 in the speech while the second (1:07) is from 39:52. But I'm sure the intervening 27 minutes don't change the meaning at all.  Why don't I just follow suit and say:
Quote from: pr126 on May 27, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
I think it is called rape.
Quote from: pr126 on May 23, 2018, 12:51:19 PM
I think this is quite funny. 
Look! pr126  thinks rape is funny                                                  Let's all tar and feather him
See how dishonest this is when I do it?
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 29, 2018, 01:01:39 AM
Yes, you are dishonest. The two quotes are from two different threads.

Context! The "I think is quite funny" quoted from another thread where was no mention of rape.   

What I was referring to is the court case between a Muslima and an LGBT transgender and who will win the victimhood contest.

Here is the video which I found funny. Not a rape that you imagined.
Shame on you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlA-zAiDpKs



Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 01:22:25 AM
I am pleased about the Ireland vote.  Progress one step at a time...
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Poison Tree on May 29, 2018, 02:10:44 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 29, 2018, 01:01:39 AM
Yes, you are dishonest. The two quotes are from two different threads.

Context!

Indeed, it is dishonest to take two separate quotes, rip them from their context and past them together with the intent of smearing the speaker and misleading the public.
Which is exactly what you (and who ever made the video you shared) are doing to Sarkozy/Macron.  Which was (clearly, I hope) the entire point of my post.
What's the actual context of Sarkozy's quotes? Do you know? Do you care?

Quote from: pr126 on May 29, 2018, 01:01:39 AM
Shame on you.
Indeed, shame on me for rhetorically stooping to your tactics
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: pr126 on May 29, 2018, 04:08:16 AM
You should work for CNN. You have the qualifications.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: pr126 on May 29, 2018, 04:08:16 AM
You should work for CNN. You have the qualifications.

Was that meant to be an insult?  It seemed to me a compliment but I don't think you meant it that way.  I rather admire CNN as generally objective. 
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 09:26:00 PM
Quote from: pr126 on May 26, 2018, 02:35:21 PM
Yes, stop breeding. We need the space and resources for the third world migrants.
Replacing you with those who will vote for us.

Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, Europe for everybody?



Seems so. But the evil thing in me says Europe should remain white and proud.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2018, 09:26:00 PM
Seems so. But the evil thing in me says Europe should remain white and proud.

Are you even AWARE that we are all one species and that all skin color differences are merely adaptations to local conditions mostly about sun exposure and Vitamin D requirements?
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 06:43:51 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 09:31:03 PM
Are you even AWARE that we are all one species and that all skin color differences are merely adaptations to local conditions mostly about sun exposure and Vitamin D requirements?

We are all one species.  You need to share your house, Dr Zivago, with the one billion Chinese and one billion Indians.  Otherwise you are a running dog of capitalist evil.  The problem isn't skin color, it is lack of border control by people who benefit from trafficking in human beings, which is an international felony ... something Soros is guilty of.  CNN is objective like Pravda was or William Randolph Hearst's rags.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Munch on June 09, 2018, 07:10:44 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 09:31:03 PM
Are you even AWARE that we are all one species and that all skin color differences are merely adaptations to local conditions mostly about sun exposure and Vitamin D requirements?

I'm the same species as Jeffrey Dahmar, Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler, but I'd not want to be in a room with them.
It's not about skin colour, not today, it's about massive differences in culture and society. Two often just don't work well together
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
Quote from: Munch on June 09, 2018, 07:10:44 AM
I'm the same species as Jeffrey Dahmar, Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler, but I'd not want to be in a room with them.
It's not about skin colour, not today, it's about massive differences in culture and society. Two often just don't work well together

I think Pr126 is OK with immigrants, controlled numbers, who are willing to be secular English in culture like he is.  I think people here slander him shamelessly.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Munch on June 09, 2018, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
I think Pr126 is OK with immigrants, controlled numbers, who are willing to be secular English in culture like he is.  I think people here slander him shamelessly.

Agreed, these are principles I agree with too. I have nothing wrong with people moving to other countries and integrating into it, under controlled situations. I have a big problem with mass immigration without control, since its like blowing up a dam allow huge gallons of water to wash though, destroying everything. With something this delicate, control is the only method to ensure the people migrating are prepared to settle down and become part of the culture they move to properly.

Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 11:00:46 AM
Quote from: Munch on June 09, 2018, 10:20:53 AM
Agreed, these are principles I agree with too. I have nothing wrong with people moving to other countries and integrating into it, under controlled situations. I have a big problem with mass immigration without control, since its like blowing up a dam allow huge gallons of water to wash though, destroying everything. With something this delicate, control is the only method to ensure the people migrating are prepared to settle down and become part of the culture they move to properly.

But, but the Left says ... they don't intend to destroy the host society ... haha.  If there were no immigrants, the point of sociopathic forces in society is to destroy the host.  Even calling in foreign armies isn't beyond consideration (see Francisco Franco of Spain).
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Unbeliever on June 09, 2018, 01:23:26 PM
Humans are the ultimate invasive species. Where ever we go we cause destruction to the biosphere that we need to stay alive. The Bible had it right: "What a piece of work is man!"

At least I think that's in the Bible somewhere...;-)
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 09, 2018, 01:23:26 PM
Humans are the ultimate invasive species. Where ever we go we cause destruction to the biosphere that we need to stay alive. The Bible had it right: "What a piece of work is man!"

At least I think that's in the Bible somewhere...;-)

Psalms - positive view of humans in one place ... but at least negative views of opponents of the Judeans
Genesis - negative view of humans in lots of places
Job - G-d aka Allah, is an invasive deity, just ask the Pharaoh, protector of civilization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narmer_Palette#/media/File:Narmer_Palette.jpg

Of course the sun god Ra, needed Semite sacrifices too ... to help moved the sun across the sky (see Aztecs)
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 03:34:58 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 09, 2018, 01:23:26 PM
Humans are the ultimate invasive species. Where ever we go we cause destruction to the biosphere that we need to stay alive. The Bible had it right: "What a piece of work is man!"

At least I think that's in the Bible somewhere...;-)

Yeah, we will kill off everything until we die last if we are stupid enough.  But I think that was Hamlet from Shakespeare. 

"What a piece of work is man, How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, In form and moving how express and admirable, In action how like an Angel, In apprehension how like a god, The beauty of the world, The paragon of animals. And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me; no, nor Woman neither; though by your smiling you seem to say so."
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2018, 06:20:56 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 03:34:58 AM
Yeah, we will kill off everything until we die last if we are stupid enough.  But I think that was Hamlet from Shakespeare. 

"What a piece of work is man, How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, In form and moving how express and admirable, In action how like an Angel, In apprehension how like a god, The beauty of the world, The paragon of animals. And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me; no, nor Woman neither; though by your smiling you seem to say so."

Thanks for quoting the Jewish Bible.  You are now kosher.
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Unbeliever on June 11, 2018, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 03:34:58 AM
Yeah, we will kill off everything until we die last if we are stupid enough.  But I think that was Hamlet from Shakespeare. 

"What a piece of work is man, How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, In form and moving how express and admirable, In action how like an Angel, In apprehension how like a god, The beauty of the world, The paragon of animals. And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me; no, nor Woman neither; though by your smiling you seem to say so."

Thanks CB, I knew I'd heard it somewhere...
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 11, 2018, 01:35:06 PM
Thanks CB, I knew I'd heard it somewhere...

My pleasure...
Title: Re: Ireland Overwhelmingly Votes in Favour of Abortion, Womens Rights
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2018, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
My pleasure...

Then atheists quote the Bible, their D party ballots burst into flame ;-)