https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/politics/migrant-children-missing.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/politics/migrant-children-missing.html)
QuoteWASHINGTON â€" A top official with the Department of Health and Human Services told members of Congress on Thursday that the agency had lost track of nearly 1,500 migrant children it placed with sponsors in the United States, raising concerns they could end up in the hands of human traffickers or be used as laborers by people posing as relatives.
The official, Steven Wagner, the acting assistant secretary of the agency’s Administration for Children and Families, disclosed during testimony before a Senate homeland security subcommittee that the agency had learned of the missing children after placing calls to the people who took responsibility for them when they were released from government custody.
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The children were taken into government care after they showed up alone at the Southwest border. Most of the children are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, government data shows.
Mind you, Trump/Sessions and the ilk have just in the last week or so passed regulation that parents and children caught crossing the border shall be forcefully separated and as Pence or Sessions so eloquently put it (I am blanking on which, they are both horrible human beings) so eloquently stated, "They will be taken care of, or whatever.".
Edit: And to avoid making a new thread for a similar topic...
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/389407-aclu-border-agents-physically-abused-migrant-children
The ACLU and Chicago Law School International Human Rights Clinic, based on several thousand pages of documentation, are accusing the border patrol of abusing refugee children, from physical abuse and sexual assault to deprivation of food, water and sleep.
Whatever you think of the immigration issue, Border Patrol are not the good guys. Cracking down on it does not make you the good guy. This is one of the worst human right's violations being committed by a first world country, and we deserve to be utterly ashamed and to be reprimanded by the rest of the world.
Nope, the fuzz aren't the good guys. Stay out of their way, and don't trigger them. But at least the US border isn't like the Gaza border yet. And even Detroit isn't like Aleppo, yet.
QuotePut pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there parents once they cross the Border into the U.S. Catch and Release, Lottery and Chain must also go with it and we MUST continue building the WALL! DEMOCRATS ARE PROTECTING MS-13 THUGS.
Tweet, today, from the president.
The guy who implemented the separate children from parents laws.
From another tweet...
Quote1500 kids fleeing from abuse are lost.
Instead of caring about finding the kids under his watch...Donald Trump blames Democrats.
Thank you to everyone who did not vote in Nov 2016 because “both candidates were equally horrible.â€
Actually any person given a chance, is terrible. So you feel sorry for Central American terrorists?
Quote from: Shiranu on May 25, 2018, 11:37:09 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/politics/migrant-children-missing.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/politics/migrant-children-missing.html)
Mind you, Trump/Sessions and the ilk have just in the last week or so passed regulation that parents and children caught crossing the border shall be forcefully separated and as Pence or Sessions so eloquently put it (I am blanking on which, they are both horrible human beings) so eloquently stated, "They will be taken care of, or whatever.".
Edit: And to avoid making a new thread for a similar topic...
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/389407-aclu-border-agents-physically-abused-migrant-children
The ACLU and Chicago Law School International Human Rights Clinic, based on several thousand pages of documentation, are accusing the border patrol of abusing refugee children, from physical abuse and sexual assault to deprivation of food, water and sleep.
Whatever you think of the immigration issue, Border Patrol are not the good guys. Cracking down on it does not make you the good guy. This is one of the worst human right's violations being committed by a first world country, and we deserve to be utterly ashamed and to be reprimanded by the rest of the world.
Naturally, the response of the Trump Administration has been to make the whole situation worse...
I once saw a quote saying "The human intelligence on the planet is finite and the population is growing". I don't completely agree, but I think the author had a point. We are getting less able to control our overuse of resources, and we are causing actually damage to our own survival.
In the past, we have simply moved to places with more resources. There isn't much left.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 05:39:13 AM
Naturally, the response of the Trump Administration has been to make the whole situation worse...
I once saw a quote saying "The human intelligence on the planet is finite and the population is growing". I don't completely agree, but I think the author had a point. We are getting less able to control our overuse of resources, and we are causing actually damage to our own survival.
In the past, we have simply moved to places with more resources. There isn't much left.
Crapification is the main strategy ;-( Both in business and politics, creative destruction, destroy our company or country, before someone else does, and you can make a mint.
What you also said is true. We are out of room. Just ask the Chinese or Indians. Siberia has plenty of open space, but who wants to live there? Political prisoners, that's who!
There is another principle, found in social psychology. The intelligent portion of an organization grows linearly, but the bureaucracy (multi-way social interaction) grows as the square. So the bigger the organization, the smaller the percentage of people in it who are not a net loss to the mission. Humanity as a whole, has this same problem. So no, intelligence isn't constant, it just doesn't scale well.
Quote from: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 07:13:05 AM
Crapification is the main strategy ;-( Both in business and politics, creative destruction, destroy our company or country, before someone else does, and you can make a mint.
What you also said is true. We are out of room. Just ask the Chinese or Indians. Siberia has plenty of open space, but who wants to live there? Political prisoners, that's who!
There is another principle, found in social psychology. The intelligent portion of an organization grows linearly, but the bureaucracy (multi-way social interaction) grows as the square. So the bigger the organization, the smaller the percentage of people in it who are not a net loss to the mission. Humanity as a whole, has this same problem. So no, intelligence isn't constant, it just doesn't scale well.
Maybe we better send a bucket of pond scum water to Mars on the next ship. Though how they will survive the perchlorate I can't say.
BTW, "The Martian" movie? He couldn't have grown potatoes there.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 07:25:02 AM
Maybe we better send a bucket of pond scum water to Mars on the next ship. Though how they will survive the perchlorate I can't say.
BTW, "The Martian" movie? He couldn't have grown potatoes there.
Why, wasn't he Irish? ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
Why, wasn't he Irish? ;-)
Well, first 2 words about the irish... "potato blight"
Second, they weren't the only one who planted them.
Third, I'll repeat "perchlorate" in Martian soil.
And here might be a surprise to you. You know what the deciding factor of the 100 years war was? You can burn a field of wheat, but you can't burn a field of potatoes. Where they grew potatoes, they won.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
Well, first 2 words about the irish... "potato blight"
Second, they weren't the only one who planted them.
Third, I'll repeat "perchlorate" in Martian soil.
And here might be a surprise to you. You know what the deciding factor of the 100 years war was? You can burn a field of wheat, but you can't burn a field of potatoes. Where they grew potatoes, they won.
Really? I thought it was because the English were scavenging savages, and the French were led by a miraculous French maid.
Can't say I'm surprised at this news. It's not like we needed further data that the current (mal)administration doesn't give a fuck, least of all about anyone not white and wealthy.
Speaking as someone who works in a children services office, I want to know the qualifications of the families they placed these children with. Are they actual foster families with training and state accreditation, or what?
Quote from: trdsf on May 30, 2018, 08:27:50 PM
Can't say I'm surprised at this news. It's not like we needed further data that the current (mal)administration doesn't give a fuck, least of all about anyone not white and wealthy.
Speaking as someone who works in a children services office, I want to know the qualifications of the families they placed these children with. Are they actual foster families with training and state accreditation, or what?
1. Republicans are American Tories ... enough said
2. There are problems with foster parenting all over (many reports over decades).
3. Good luck finding enough acceptable foster parents ... there aren't enough acceptable natural parents
Quote from: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 07:16:47 PM
Really? I thought it was because the English were scavenging savages, and the French were led by a miraculous French maid.
As usual, you ignored most of my post and merely made a joke about the one thing you did mention.
The French side of me admires the affect that Joan had on the French idiot royalty and the armies. On the other hand, the rational side of me thinks she was a complete raving moron who belonged in an asylum. And the English side of me says that burning her at the stake was a barbaric and cruel act but notes that it was Norman French royalty in charge of England who actually did that.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 31, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
As usual, you ignored most of my post and merely made a joke about the one thing you did mention.
The French side of me admires the affect that Joan had on the French idiot royalty and the armies. On the other hand, the rational side of me thinks she was a complete raving moron who belonged in an asylum. And the English side of me says that burning her at the stake was a barbaric and cruel act but notes that it was Norman French royalty in charge of England who actually did that.
You have two problems. You want to control both sides of the conversation (see your behavior at work?). And you want to hear praise.
Yes, historical figures and factions are ... deplorable. But then all non-D-party people are ;-)
The United Nations is now saying this practice is an illegal act of violating international human rights...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/americas/us-un-migrant-children-families.html
Remember the good ol' days, when the United States was the protector of the free world, not the bane of it? Pepperidge farms remebers.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 06:29:00 PM
The United Nations is now saying this practice is an illegal act of violating international human rights...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/americas/us-un-migrant-children-families.html
Remember the good ol' days, when the United States was the protector of the free world, not the bane of it? Pepperidge farms remebers.
I have opposed American (taxpayer) participation in UN on principle, when it was clear after the Korean War, that it was only a tool for anti-Americans. The US isn't free, never has, never will be. There is no Free World. That is Cold War propaganda. And we only protect our wealthy, internationally, not just those who claim to be US citizens. More idealistic head in bucket. The US, predatory since 1776 ... same as the other monkey criminal groups.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 06, 2018, 06:29:00 PM
The United Nations is now saying this practice is an illegal act of violating international human rights...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/world/americas/us-un-migrant-children-families.html
Remember the good ol' days, when the United States was the protector of the free world, not the bane of it? Pepperidge farms remebers.
It will take a decade after Trump to recover our honor... Trump does not yet realize that history will condemn him as "The Worst President" ever. And that is almost certainly assured.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 12:49:47 AM
It will take a decade after Trump to recover our honor... Trump does not yet realize that history will condemn him as "The Worst President" ever. And that is almost certainly assured.
The way things are going with Russia-gate ... how are we going to recover our honor after Obama?
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 12:49:47 AM
It will take a decade after Trump to recover our honor...
I think 10 years is optimistic, but then, I'm a pessimist.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 08, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
I think 10 years is optimistic, but then, I'm a pessimist.
I consider myself an optimist, and even I think 10 years is extremely pessimistic.
I think there are millions upon millions of wonderful Americans, and tens or hundreds of millions more who are pretty darn good people. But there are also millions upon millions of Americans who vote for corrupt and heartless politicians that the rest of us don't contest, and even post-Trump I don't think there will be a massive swing towards more sane candidates.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 08, 2018, 04:55:13 PM
I consider myself an optimist, and even I think 10 years is extremely pessimistic.
I think there are millions upon millions of wonderful Americans, and tens or hundreds of millions more who are pretty darn good people. But there are also millions upon millions of Americans who vote for corrupt and heartless politicians that the rest of us don't contest, and even post-Trump I don't think there will be a massive swing towards more sane candidates.
It isn't up to the people. It is up to the oligarchy.
This is one of those issues that seems to wallow in the background and I don't understand why people don't seem to be screaming about it? Are we completely wrong? Are there far more Trumpies than we think? Are there far more secret Trumpies than we are aware of? We could indeed be on he verge of a civil war, at the next election.
Quote from: aitm on June 09, 2018, 05:48:52 AM
This is one of those issues that seems to wallow in the background and I don't understand why people don't seem to be screaming about it? Are we completely wrong? Are there far more Trumpies than we think? Are there far more secret Trumpies than we are aware of? We could indeed be on he verge of a civil war, at the next election.
Yes, the Kalergi plan for the US continues.
And it is paranoia to say that the Federal government is in the business of trafficking refugee children, but with the CIA in charge of drug trafficking, it is certainly possible. Do you like walnut sauce on your Comet pizza?
Quote from: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 06:40:14 AM
Yes, the Kalergi plan for the US continues.
Do you like walnut sauce on your Comet pizza?
I have no idea what either sentence means...and for that i dismiss your entire post. You do this often, and it is a shame. I skip your posts mainly because you bounce off walls. Seriously, it makes me sad, because I know I/we could learn quite a bit from you.
Quote from: aitm on June 09, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
I have no idea what either sentence means...and for that i dismiss your entire post. You do this often, and it is a shame. I skip your posts mainly because you bounce off walls. Seriously, it makes me sad, because I know I/we could learn quite a bit from you.
Kalergi plan ... for Europe (and by extension for N America) ... we will be ruled by a unelected bureaucracy of technocrats.
Walnut sauce/Comet pizza ... the scandal revealed not long ago regarding what really happens when degenerate DINOs get together.
Quote from: Baruch on June 09, 2018, 07:11:26 PM
Kalergi plan ... for Europe (and by extension for N America) ... we will be ruled by a unelected bureaucracy of technocrats.
Walnut sauce/Comet pizza ... the scandal revealed not long ago regarding what really happens when degenerate DINOs get together.
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Quote from: aitm on June 09, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
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Yeah Baruch is slowly spiraling into both madness and ignore-world.. I regret that, as he once was worth debating. But we move on...
Yes, there are more Trumpies than you think. And that worries me. I don't know whether it is lead in the water, arsenic in the wallpaper, or people drinking aftershave lotion, but something seems to be making some general areas of the US stupider.
And it may be age. As my Dad got older, he watched Fox TV all the time. And the more he watched Fox TV, the less factual he became. Sure, partly, it was just because he was getting older. But I think it was also that he was watching non-factual TV that was causing him to fail to discriminate between facts and "claims".
I may have erred in letting him watch Fox TV all day, but it was his only pleasure (and his one martini at 6 pm) and it wasn't like he was voting or anything. But listening to him proclaim that Obama was a foreigner and Hillary Clinton was managing a child sex ring from the basement of a Washington DC pizza shop was MADDENNING! And he really believed that stuff. And he wasn't the only one. Millions of people still do.
What can we do about such people? They are completely oblivious to facts and evidence, and think the world is run by several cabals. There is an elected politian in Washington DC who thinks "The Rothschilds" control the Earth's weather and that the Holocaust never happened.
Who elects these people?
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 03:15:31 AM
Yeah Baruch is slowly spiraling into both madness and ignore-world.. I regret that, as he once was worth debating. But we move on...
Yes, there are more Trumpies than you think. And that worries me. I don't know whether it is lead in the water, arsenic in the wallpaper, or people drinking aftershave lotion, but something seems to be making some general areas of the US stupider.
And it may be age. As my Dad got older, he watched Fox TV all the time. And the more he watched Fox TV, the less factual he became. Sure, partly, it was just because he was getting older. But I think it was also that he was watching non-factual TV that was causing him to fail to discriminate between facts and "claims".
I may have erred in letting him watch Fox TV all day, but it was his only pleasure (and his one martini at 6 pm) and it wasn't like he was voting or anything. But listening to him proclaim that Obama was a foreigner and Hillary Clinton was managing a child sex ring from the basement of a Washington DC pizza shop was MADDENNING! And he really believed that stuff. And he wasn't the only one. Millions of people still do.
What can we do about such people? They are completely oblivious to facts and evidence, and think the world is run by several cabals. There is an elected politian in Washington DC who thinks "The Rothschilds" control the Earth's weather and that the Holocaust never happened.
Who elects these people?
Not a Trump voter, fur ball. Ad hominem shows you have no argument. I won't bother repeating myself for you. I did for aitm.