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Title: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Blackleaf on May 20, 2018, 01:14:55 PM
The Masked Arab is a YouTuber and former Muslim who makes videos about Islam and ISIS. Today, he released a comedic animation on the subject of ISIS and whether or not they are Islamic. I won't give away the punchline, but I recommend watching it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqnnbcUVMQ
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Baruch on May 20, 2018, 03:23:07 PM
Conspiracy theory of history or current events, aren't limited to the West or to the Right.  This is common ape behavior.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Unbeliever on May 20, 2018, 05:30:57 PM
This starts sounding like The 12 Days of Ramadan. I give it a lol and a half.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Baruch on May 20, 2018, 05:51:20 PM
Muhammad invented Mormonism 1200 years before Joseph Smith, how is that for being progressive? ;-)

At least the stereotypes in the video were multi-ethnic/multi-racial.  Not that Arab Muslims are comfortable with that, or GB shutting down their African slave trade.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 05:00:19 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on May 20, 2018, 01:14:55 PM
The Masked Arab is a YouTuber and former Muslim who makes videos about Islam and ISIS. Today, he released a comedic animation on the subject of ISIS and whether or not they are Islamic. I won't give away the punchline, but I recommend watching it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqnnbcUVMQ

Then there are 2 choices.  Either Moslems tolerate too many OTHER crazy people who come out everytime the Imams demand protests, or they agree.  They better start deciding.  The world is getting to a tipping point of  intolerance of terrorists and will start to do something about them.  You either control your own population or others will.  Obliteration is a horrible possibility.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Baruch on May 22, 2018, 06:25:54 AM
But Iran has killed millions of Americans and Israelis ... so they need to be revenged ... right?  And the violent and predatory activity of our SA ally, must be supported.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 08:38:09 AM
QuoteThen there are 2 choices.  Either Moslems tolerate too many OTHER crazy people who come out every time the Imams demand protests, or they agree.
They cannot disagree.
To disagree against Allah's commands means apostasy.
That is bad for the Muslim's health, family and future well being.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 08:59:50 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 08:38:09 AM
They cannot disagree.
To disagree against Allah's commands means apostasy.
That is bad for the Muslim's health, family and future well being.

Enforced by what and who?

There is no Allah, there is no God, there is no Yaweh, there is no Odin, Zeus or Jupiter, there is no "squid-in-the-sky", etc.  No being is around to enforce the human-created rules imagining any deity at all.  Get over the superstition.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 09:11:28 AM
Don't tell me, tell it to a Muslim.

What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?
Every Muslim is empowered by Islamic law (sharia) to dish out punishment, becoming judge, jury, and executioner.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 09:20:23 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 09:11:28 AM
Don't tell me, tell it to a Muslim.

What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?
Every Muslim is empowered by Allah to dish out punishment,
becoming judge, jury, and executioner for   Islam by the Sharia.

You might notice I HAVE, when they come around, LOL!

Well I didn't ASK about the "penalty for apostasy in Islam", but I can guess.  Would it be kindly discussion about the details (LOL) or would it be decapitation or amputation?  Such kindly folks...  They remind me of Christians after the same length of time after the ESTABLISHMENT of their religion.  IOW, crazed lunatics...
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on May 22, 2018, 09:26:11 AM
Communism has nothing to do with atheism.

The GOP has nothing to do with humanity.

The Cubs have nothing to do with baseball.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
If any Muslim tells you that apostasy is not punishable by the death penalty, point him to this verse:

Quran 4:89
Sahih International: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 09:38:25 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 22, 2018, 09:26:11 AM
Communism has nothing to do with atheism.

The GOP has nothing to do with humanity.

The Cubs have nothing to do with baseball.

They won the World Series in 2016.  Are you in denial?
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
If any Muslim tells you that apostasy is not punishable by the death penalty, point him to this verse:

Quran 4:89
Sahih International: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

Were you attempting to convince me of something?  I already think most Moslem are crazed idiots.  But so are some Christians, Hindus, and others.  They are ALL nuts...
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 09:59:55 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
Were you attempting to convince me of something?  I already think most Moslem are crazed idiots.  But so are some Christians, Hindus, and others.  They are ALL nuts...

The standard reply, as expected.

Let's see:  33148  (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11

Which religion has come anywhere near to this "achievement". Christians? Hindus, Jews? All nuts to the same extent?

Can your moral equivalence be substantiated?
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on May 22, 2018, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 09:38:25 AM
They won the World Series in 2016.  Are you in denial?
What's their 100 year win percentage?
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 09:59:55 AM
The standard reply, as expected.

Let's see:  33148  (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11

Which religion has come anywhere near to this "achievement". Christians? Hindus, Jews? All nuts to the same extent?

Can your moral equivalence be substantiated?

Probably Moslems, among themselves.  If bombs among themselves, right.  Bet you say otherwise. 
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: pr126 on May 22, 2018, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 10:37:01 AM
Probably Moslems, among themselves.  If bombs among themselves, right.  Bet you say otherwise. 
The first victims of Islam are Muslims.

Since 1948 ten million Muslims were killed by other Muslims.
Either the wrong sect, or not Muslim enough.
But no, I have no objections Muslim s killing each other. That is what they do best.

A violent cult, and a violent culture.

Anybody states that Islam means peace is either lying or terminally stupid.
There are plenty of both.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Blackleaf on May 22, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 22, 2018, 09:26:11 AMCommunism has nothing to do with atheism.

Okay? One is a government structure. The other is a rejection of gods. What would the two have to do with each other? Especially considering the most infamous communist was a devout Catholic, I see no thread connecting the two.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Baruch on May 22, 2018, 01:15:18 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on May 22, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Okay? One is a government structure. The other is a rejection of gods. What would the two have to do with each other? Especially considering the most infamous communist was a devout Catholic, I see no thread connecting the two.

Common origin in materialist philosophy ... they are cousins, not siblings or parent/child.  Lenin was no Catholic, neither was Stalin or Mao.

When you are just a meat robot to someone, there is no reason for them to respect you.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on May 22, 2018, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on May 22, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Okay? One is a government structure. The other is a rejection of gods. What would the two have to do with each other? Especially considering the most infamous communist was a devout Catholic, I see no thread connecting the two.
I forgot the /sarcasm tags.

Accidentally, of course.
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Blackleaf on May 22, 2018, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 22, 2018, 03:02:11 PM
I forgot the /sarcasm tags.

Accidentally, of course.

Oops. I honestly couldn't tell what point you were trying to convey there. lol
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Blackleaf on May 22, 2018, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: Baruch on May 22, 2018, 01:15:18 PM
Common origin in materialist philosophy ... they are cousins, not siblings or parent/child.  Lenin was no Catholic, neither was Stalin or Mao.

When you are just a meat robot to someone, there is no reason for them to respect you.

Unlike when you're a ghost in a disposable meat robot. That's completely different and demands respect. :P
Title: Re: ISIS has nothing to do with Islam!
Post by: Baruch on May 22, 2018, 08:15:18 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on May 22, 2018, 06:06:19 PM
Unlike when you're a ghost in a disposable meat robot. That's completely different and demands respect. :P

Living meat robot or zombie meat robot ... what's the difference?  I am not a robot, of any kind.  Or a random cloud of atoms either.

There was a crazy French king once, who thought he was made of glass, terribly afraid of being broken and getting seven years bad luck ;-)