http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44173954 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44173954)
QuoteUp to eight people have been reported dead in a shooting at a Texas high school, which is on lockdown.
One person is in custody after the attack at Santa Fe High School, which is about 40 miles (65km) south of Houston, according to school officials.
The school district has confirmed people were injured in an "active shooter" incident as classes began.
It is unclear if the attacker was a student. Police have not yet confirmed any fatalities.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all the responsible gun owners who will have to suffer hearing about their guns being taken away or more heavily regulated. They are the real victim of this situation. We all know this.
...I guess the students are too, but we will forget about them in a week so do they really matter?
Too bad ... the cops have intercepted a few of these copy-cats recently, but missed this one. I say, put all the HS students in the British Navy. See the world, on the King's shilling.
Also proof that current teen mental health care is a total failure. Kids need more psych drugs starting before kindergarten.
Yeah, here we go again. What's it going to take to stop this shit? It may be impossible to stop, now that the genie's out, but damn, I don't want to get used to this kind of outrage! Has America no shame!?
Quote from: Baruch on May 18, 2018, 12:55:04 PM
Too bad ... the cops have intercepted a few of these copy-cats recently, but missed this one. I say, put all the HS students in the British Navy. See the world, on the King's shilling.
Also proof that current teen mental health care is a total failure. Kids need more psych drugs starting before kindergarten.
This is an actual real problem in your country and facetious remarks like yours aren't helping. They are just mean.
We need to ban cars. Cars kill way more than guns. America needs to regulate cars or get rid of them completely. Personally I think anything bigger than a 4-cylinder should be banned because then they go to fast. Also owning anything bigger than a honda civic should be really hard to do since the bigger the vehicle the more damage it will do. Please america think of the children.
Cars are regulated. More than guns.
Cars are also a necessity. Guns are a privilege.
You know what happens when you abuse a privilege? It gets taken away.
Some stats on this stupid fucking car analogy...
-Car deaths are 11.x per 100,000 people.
-for every 1000 people, there are 910 cars.
-9 out of 10 households have access to a car.
-Gun deaths are 11.x for every 100,000 people.
-For guns, there are 101 guns for every 100 people.
-50% of all guns are owned by 3% of the population.
-less than 1 in three houses have access to a gun.
So statistically, there are far less people with guns than there are people with cars, yet at the same time the gun related deaths are just as frequent. And let's not forget just how many cars are in use every single day.
Yet somehow, despite experts saying guns are the problem, raw data saying they are problem, other countries addressing it as a problem and seeing results, common sense saying it's a problem, and the fact that at worst it only cuts down on domestic crime rather than mass shootings... There are people like yourself who will still kick and scream if guns are even suggested to be a factor.
It's mind boggling. I just don't understand the obsession with taking the most toxic and regressive position and being so hateful about it. Life is too short for that shit.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 18, 2018, 03:52:32 PM
Some stats on this stupid fucking car analogy...
-Car deaths are 11.x per 100,000 people.
-for every 1000 people, there are 910 cars.
-9 out of 10 households have access to a car.
-Gun deaths are 11.x for every 100,000 people.
-For guns, there are 101 guns for every 100 people.
-50% of all guns are owned by 3% of the population.
-less than 1 in three houses have access to a gun.
So statistically, there are far less people with guns than there are people with cars, yet at the same time the gun related deaths are just as frequent. And let's not forget just how many cars are in use every single day.
Yet somehow, despite experts saying guns are the problem, raw data saying they are problem, other countries addressing it as a problem and seeing results, common sense saying it's a problem, and the fact that at worst it only cuts down on domestic crime rather than mass shootings... There are people like yourself who will still kick and scream if guns are even suggested to be a factor.
It's mind boggling. I just don't understand the obsession with taking the most toxic and regressive position and being so hateful about it. Life is too short for that shit.
I need sources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8mdq6fzzYM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 18, 2018, 04:11:22 PM
I need sources
Gun deaths -
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
Car deaths -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year?wprov=sfla1
Gun ownership -
https://www.npr.org/2016/01/05/462017461/guns-in-america-by-the-numbers
Car ownership... honestly, just google it. I'm doing all this from my phone, and it's a pain in the ass doing something that won't make any difference since you aren't actually interested in the facts but rather just being toxic.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 18, 2018, 02:09:33 PM
We need to ban cars. Cars kill way more than guns. America needs to regulate cars or get rid of them completely.
So...a drivers license and having to pass a driving test in order to get said license? And tracking car sales?
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Quote from: Hydra009 on May 18, 2018, 04:59:14 PM
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The worst part is I think that tweet is a school shooting or two old, and still has to be posted.
One thing I've often asked, when this comes up, is given the state of things, why are so many people in america convinced their society will fall apart if guns are taken away?
Best example really is from here in the uk, when the it was put into law that owning a gun was illegal, back in 1996, after a man killed a classroom of children and their teacher with a gun.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/firearms-act-twenty-years-on-has-it-made-a-difference-dunblane-port-arthur-a8110911.html
The law came into effect, and surprise, our society hasn't suffered for it.
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Death still happens, murders still happen, violence still happens, but guns aren't the main factor in these places anymore. The ease of killing someone or themselves with a gun, but just because theres a chance you might get an lunatic who gets ahold of a gun in the uk and goes on a killing spree, it wouldn't put a dent on the death toll in somewhere like america.
There must be this primitive, primal need to keep guns, in the primate part of peoples brains, that if they don't have them, they can't defend themselves from others who have them.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 18, 2018, 02:09:33 PM
We need to ban cars. Cars kill way more than guns. America needs to regulate cars or get rid of them completely. Personally I think anything bigger than a 4-cylinder should be banned because then they go to fast. Also owning anything bigger than a honda civic should be really hard to do since the bigger the vehicle the more damage it will do. Please america think of the children.
Ban teen agers ;-) Or just send them to the British Navy so they can be made into men, or hang from the highest yardarm. Better yet, send the girls, the boys here will never grow up anyway.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 18, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
Cars are regulated. More than guns.
Cars are also a necessity. Guns are a privilege.
You know what happens when you abuse a privilege? It gets taken away.
So all D and R should lose voting rights? I would support that.
Cars aren't necessary. Global warming. Ban all private ownership of cars ... better yet, Comrade, ban all private ownership.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 18, 2018, 01:19:20 PM
Yeah, here we go again. What's it going to take to stop this shit? It may be impossible to stop, now that the genie's out, but damn, I don't want to get used to this kind of outrage! Has America no shame!?
Stop monkey shit? Kill the monkeys. Let the hyenas clean up the mess. Morality, what morality? There is no such thing.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 18, 2018, 01:25:30 PM
This is an actual real problem in your country and facetious remarks like yours aren't helping. They are just mean.
Mean? Wait until Trump nukes you all! Eat plutonium foreigners!
Yes America has problems. Just kill it. And the other 200+ shit holes.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 18, 2018, 04:58:13 PM
So...a drivers license and having to pass a driving test in order to get said license? And tracking car sales?
You have to have a license in most places for concealed carry, let alone open carry. It is regulated. But nobody in the US believes in the rule of law. We are anarchists, with nukes ... and drugs. The R anarchists prefer one crazy thing, the D anarchists prefer another.
I'm normally not a fan of the Onion because I feel it is putting out a lot of negativity at a time when we don't need it, but it's reached a point where I feel if anything they aren't being harsh enough on gun violence enablers.
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1826142891?utm_source=Facebook&utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_medium=SocialMarketing (https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1826142891?utm_source=Facebook&utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_medium=SocialMarketing)
QuoteSANTA FE, TXâ€"In the hours following a violent rampage in Texas in which a lone attacker killed eight individuals and seriously injured several others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Friday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,†said Ohio resident Erica Webb, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.†At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.â€
On. Fucking. Point.
Being seated in a transport chair meant that I couldn't leave when a Fox talking head was asked how we could prevent children from getting guns.
"That's a good question. But what we should be addressing is why we're 'mainstreaming' mentally ill and mentally damaged children into schools with normal students."
He couldn't answer the question, but he got a chance to ride his hobby horse.
Am I sorry a tragedy has occurred? Yes, it is a tragedy that happened. They happen every day, though not always in this particular form.
Am I sorry for the children of Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago, who said ... "Never let a crisis go to waste" ... no, I am not.
They say "Never let a tragedy to to waste" ... not if it can be spun from straw into political gold to benefit their D or R party. Both parties are monsters, to always benefit politically, from human tragedy, whether in the US or in Syria.
Mourn? Sure. Care? What are you doing to assist the grieving families? Writing your congressman?
Quote from: Munch on May 18, 2018, 06:11:40 PM
One thing I've often asked, when this comes up, is given the state of things, why are so many people in america convinced their society will fall apart if guns are taken away?
The irony is that the "gun-grabbers" mostly just support increased regulations on guns. Maybe someday we'll bring up to the oppressively-regulated car level, heh.
Like gay marriage, conservatives envision a gunless dystopia that doesn't actually exist - and we know it doesn't exist because other countries have far more restrictive gun laws than we do and we've seen the results. But for these people, it doesn't matter that their gut feeling is dead wrong, all that matters is that we shouldn't change our gun laws and if they have to invent a fictitious scenario to justify that position, then so be it. When one's not above telling someone that their dead kid is a paid actor and all these funerals are fake, there's no longer much of anything keeping oneself moored to reality.
And as to why Americans love guns: guns were a big part of American life from the very beginning - the colonial experience was one in which settlers relied heavily on guns for security. Guns have become symbolic of manhood, power, and independence. The Republican core value of self-reliance pairs quite readily with mass gun ownership. Part of the solution to this problem has to address the allure of guns and disenchant this weapon in the public psyche.
Change?? Of course not. As long as gun and ammo sales go up after each such incident, Corporate United States will not allow anything to be done? Why change? There are profits to be made!!
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2018, 11:49:46 PM
Change?? Of course not. As long as gun and ammo sales go up after each such incident, Corporate United States will not allow anything to be done? Why change? There are profits to be made!!
The more restriction is talked about, the higher the sales go, guns and ammo.
Europeans simply don't understand the level of fear and hate government inspires in Americans. And not just Southern Americans. The Europeans who didn't emigrate were domestic, not feral. That is why a 100 million Muslims can move to Europe without any objection.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 18, 2018, 02:09:33 PM
We need to ban cars. Cars kill way more than guns. America needs to regulate cars or get rid of them completely. Personally I think anything bigger than a 4-cylinder should be banned because then they go to fast. Also owning anything bigger than a honda civic should be really hard to do since the bigger the vehicle the more damage it will do. Please america think of the children.
I acknowledge the sarcasm. Well done.
I'm going to say something utterly unacceptable:
Oh crap, there is not going to be anything meaningful to watch on the political talk shows today or tomorrow or the 3rd day because of this hideous LOCAL tragedy.
It's a LOCAL tragedy. I want to know more about what is happening with N Korea, Iran, and China. That affects me...
Until the US population decides to actually DO something about guns, it's local. So DO SOMETHING or stop bothering me about these local events.
https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229 (https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229)
After talking about the terror surrounding her, and asked if there was a part of her that thought this wasn't real, that it wouldn't happen at her school...
"No... there wasn't... it's been happening everywhere, I always kinda felt like eventually it was going to happen here too."
This is a high school student talking about the terror of watching people getting shot around her and that it didn't particularly surprise her because that is just the way our country is.
I'm still waiting on someone to provide me an example of a single other first world country where this is the norm. I have asked it multiple times in multiple threads and multiple platforms, and for some reason the people who argue against gun regulation seem completely incapable of answering it.
Edit: Or a single other country where people call girls like her "crisis actors" and sent them threats and get on national t.v. calling them liars.
Quote from: Baruch on May 18, 2018, 06:23:35 PM
Ban teen agers ;-) Or just send them to the British Navy so they can be made into men, or hang from the highest yardarm. Better yet, send the girls, the boys here will never grow up anyway.
Seriously! What is your problem?
Quote from: Baruch on May 18, 2018, 08:51:56 PM
Am I sorry a tragedy has occurred? Yes, it is a tragedy that happened. They happen every day, though not always in this particular form.
Am I sorry for the children of Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago, who said ... "Never let a crisis go to waste" ... no, I am not.
They say "Never let a tragedy to to waste" ... not if it can be spun from straw into political gold to benefit their D or R party. Both parties are monsters, to always benefit politically, from human tragedy, whether in the US or in Syria.
Mourn? Sure. Care? What are you doing to assist the grieving families? Writing your congressman?
This isn't a tragedy every day in other countries. Just yours.
Quote from: Baruch on May 19, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
The more restriction is talked about, the higher the sales go, guns and ammo.
Europeans simply don't understand the level of fear and hate government inspires in Americans. And not just Southern Americans. The Europeans who didn't emigrate were domestic, not feral. That is why a 100 million Muslims can move to Europe without any objection.
You need to keep letting kids get shot in schools because you're frightened of the government? Have you any idea how ridiculous this sounds?
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 18, 2018, 10:32:23 PM
And as to why Americans love guns: guns were a big part of American life from the very beginning - the colonial experience was one in which settlers relied heavily on guns for security. Guns have become symbolic of manhood, power, and independence. The Republican core value of self-reliance pairs quite readily with mass gun ownership. Part of the solution to this problem has to address the allure of guns and disenchant this weapon in the public psyche.
So it's not a marketing strategy that has run amok? 'Cause it sure looks that way to me.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 19, 2018, 05:55:45 AM
So it's not a marketing strategy that has run amok? 'Cause it sure looks that way to me.
Those guys in the ad pages of hunting magazines sure look healthy and fit dressed in new buffalo plaid wool shirts and roaming the forest and plains in confidence. They never show the typical drunken slob shooting out of the window of his pickup at road signs or animals, even though shooting a gun from a vehicle while hunting is against the law in most states. Just shooting out of a moving vehicle is probably illegal, although I'm not sure. I haven't done a drive-by for years.
Quote from: SGOS on May 19, 2018, 06:34:40 AM
Those guys in the ad pages of hunting magazines sure look healthy and fit dressed in new buffalo plaid wool shirts and roaming the forest and plains in confidence. They never show the typical drunken slob shooting out of the window of his pickup at road signs or animals, even though shooting a gun from a vehicle while hunting is against the law in most states. Just shooting out of a moving vehicle is probably illegal, although I'm not sure. I haven't done a drive-by for years.
Handguns were understood as single use weapons back in the "Wild" west. (This was a fiction created by the pulp fiction companies of the day.)
Quote from: Jason78 on May 19, 2018, 05:45:45 AM
You need to keep letting kids get shot in schools because you're frightened of the government? Have you any idea how ridiculous this sounds?
I work for the government, so I am not afraid of it. Other people are. As far as I am concerned, the public can be enslaved, for the children of course. There are always FEMA camps to populate if the natives get too restless. Reservations for non-Native Americans.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 19, 2018, 05:42:02 AM
Seriously! What is your problem?
Or we can end HS, and send the brats home after 8th grade ... they won't have any jobs when they grow up anyway (see China and India). Then if the kids want to raise some hell, they can do it at home.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 19, 2018, 05:43:37 AM
This isn't a tragedy every day in other countries. Just yours.
Thank G-d I am not in Bangladesh (sarcasm). Yes, your country is so nice ... stay there, please.
Quote from: SGOS on May 19, 2018, 06:34:40 AM
Those guys in the ad pages of hunting magazines sure look healthy and fit dressed in new buffalo plaid wool shirts and roaming the forest and plains in confidence. They never show the typical drunken slob shooting out of the window of his pickup at road signs or animals, even though shooting a gun from a vehicle while hunting is against the law in most states. Just shooting out of a moving vehicle is probably illegal, although I'm not sure. I haven't done a drive-by for years.
Pretty sure most stupid things one might do with a gun, is illegal in most jurisdictions. Not that it stops anyone.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 19, 2018, 06:36:57 AM
Handguns were understood as single use weapons back in the "Wild" west. (This was a fiction created by the pulp fiction companies of the day.)
Yes, rifles and shotguns were working guns. Most people didn't use handguns, except for personal protection. Movies and TV have greatly magnified the handgun mystique ... it is a Western myth and an Urban crime myth.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 19, 2018, 06:36:57 AM
Handguns were understood as single use weapons back in the "Wild" west. (This was a fiction created by the pulp fiction companies of the day.)
And, IIRC from reading, "cowboys" seldom carried them, and if they did, were required to leave them with the town sheriff while they were there.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 19, 2018, 07:19:08 AM
And, IIRC from reading, "cowboys" seldom carried them, and if they did, were required to leave them with the town sheriff while they were there.
That is why there was the little shootout at the OK Corral. Handguns are only accurate at close range, though being drunk in a saloon might make it more challenging still.
>“The government is run by literally hitlerâ,,¢â€
>“Now here’s a list of powers I want the government to grant itself, including the power to barge into your home and take you away to a cell if you are in possession of anything you can defend yourself with :) â€
Quote from: Cavebear on May 19, 2018, 07:19:08 AM
And, IIRC from reading, "cowboys" seldom carried them, and if they did, were required to leave them with the town sheriff while they were there.
Yeah, nothing to do with them but shoot up saloons.
So, reports are now saying the kid's mother is saying he was targeting girls who had rejected his advances.
Incels and domestic abusers kill thousands of women a year, and harass and assault countless more, but apparently SJW and Muslims are the real threat to our society*. And obviously we shouldn't try to take guns out of their hands, that would be silly because we need guns to protect ourselves from the government who spends the same amount on their military power as the next ten countries combined!
*our society may refer to white men who can't accept that people's life experiences may be inherently different than theirs and say that addressing this is the eight deadly sin of, "Identium Politicos" as a way to discredit any position that might not jive with their snowflake world view.
Baruch is gun ho about guns obviously
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 21, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
>“The government is run by literally hitlerâ,,¢â€
>“Now here’s a list of powers I want the government to grant itself, including the power to barge into your home and take you away to a cell if you are in possession of anything you can defend yourself with :) â€
The police need to wiretap all your electronics, not just your rotary princess phone ;-)
Police also need to eminent domain any thing you have ... no need to call it a fine or a tax ;-)
Remember ... you agree to anything the police want to do, if you aren't a criminal already ;-)
It is for the children!!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 21, 2018, 03:02:40 PM
Yeah, nothing to do with them but shoot up saloons.
Often there were cribs (small prostitution rooms) above the bar. Made paid sex risky.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 21, 2018, 04:17:30 PM
Baruch is gun ho about guns obviously
Not really, just hung low about impractical schemes to enslave humanity. Oliver North is now NRA president ... make his day, if you dare!
Remember, only the communists can save you from your own humanity (but ... aren't they human too ... shut up comrade!).
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 21, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
>“The government is run by literally hitlerâ,,¢â€
You must be an expert in building strawmen by now. You practice every day.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 21, 2018, 02:39:21 PM>“Now here’s a list of powers I want the government to grant itself, including the power to barge into your home and take you away to a cell if you are in possession of anything you can defend yourself with :) â€
Case in point. Two strawmen in one post? That's one per paragraph. Are you going for some kind of a record?
Quote from: Shiranu on May 21, 2018, 03:10:40 PM
Incels and domestic abusers kill thousands of women a year, and harass and assault countless more, but apparently SJW and Muslims are the real threat to our society*
A month ago you didn't even know what an incel was but now that the MSM creates fake outrage around the term you throw the term around like you're politically aware lollll.
Mudslimes kill more than incels lol. There's probably a lot of overlap, actually, since muslims can't get laid without rape.
Quote*our society may refer to white men who can't accept that people's life experiences may be inherently different than theirs and say that addressing this is the eight deadly sin of, "Identium Politicos" as a way to discredit any position that might not jive with their snowflake world view.
Blacks are responsible for nearly half of all murders in the US. Instead of taking guns away from normal people deport all niggers and your gun violence epidemic would be solved, too. You want to save the children, don't you? Well there's the solution. Because pumping more legislation out has 0 bearing on whether that which is regulated is used. This is demonstrably observable in all manner of things; weed, drunk driving, ect. Nah; way better, I say, to just get rid of the people perpetuating the violence, right?
After australia's gun-grab, the murder-rate remains the same.
My home country of canada has a really high rate of gun ownership. No gun violence epidemic.
The problem is cultural. Allowing the state more power - especially the power to label you a criminal for owning tools for defense, is not the answer. Especially not when that same state is importing violent cavemen left and right.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 22, 2018, 01:15:36 AM
since muslims can't get laid without rape.
Blacks are responsible for nearly half of all murders in the US. Instead of taking guns away from normal people deport all niggers and your gun violence epidemic would be solved, too.
OK, that crossed the lineutterly and completely! Suggesting that Moslems can't have sex without rape was too far. Saying "deport all niggers", was further over the line. You need to be removed from the forum immediately!
Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 01:35:43 AM
OK, that crossed the lineutterly and completely! Suggesting that Moslems can't have sex without rape was too far. Saying "deport all niggers", was further over the line. You need to be removed from the forum immediately!
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Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 01:35:43 AM
Suggesting that Moslems can't have sex without rape was too far.
Statistically speaking they commit rape more than any other type of theist. Their prophet is a rapist so it's understandable.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 22, 2018, 01:37:34 AM
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I will welcome your absence...
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 22, 2018, 01:42:21 AM
Statistically speaking they commit rape more than any other type of theist. Their prophet is a rapist so it's understandable.
That may or may not be. One might argue about some other cultures. But referring to "deport all niggers" HAS to be your exit line...
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 22, 2018, 01:15:36 AM
A month ago you didn't even know what an incel was but now that the MSM creates fake outrage around the term you throw the term around like you're politically aware lollll.
Mudslimes kill more than incels lol. There's probably a lot of overlap, actually, since muslims can't get laid without rape.
Blacks are responsible for nearly half of all murders in the US. Instead of taking guns away from normal people deport all niggers and your gun violence epidemic would be solved, too. You want to save the children, don't you? Well there's the solution. Because pumping more legislation out has 0 bearing on whether that which is regulated is used. This is demonstrably observable in all manner of things; weed, drunk driving, ect. Nah; way better, I say, to just get rid of the people perpetuating the violence, right?
[gmod]The amount of blatantly racist language in this post is astounding and uncalled for. I'm going to make an executive decision for an immediate 48 hr ban. Don't pull that shit again. Refrain from spamming the n word and no more use of the term "mudslimes" in any future posts or we will take further action.[/gmod]
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 22, 2018, 02:45:24 AM
The amount of blatantly racist language in this post is astounding and uncalled for. I'm going to make an executive decision for an immediate 48 hr ban. Don't pull that shit again. Refrain from spamming the n word and no more use of the term "mudslimes" in any future posts or we will take further action.
Congratulations! That was the least you could do. And I mean "the very least".
I can never win... Modding a forum truly is a thankless job
You're welcome, by they way...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 22, 2018, 03:02:40 AM
I can never win... Modding a forum truly is a thankless job
You're welcome, by they way...
Of course modding a forum is difficult. But I think complaining about "niggers" is a cause for automatic banishment. CEOs of major companies have lost their jobs for less utterly racist and insulting statements. And this one was utterly racist and insulting.
The almighty breakfast item has spoken. Thou shalt not question their judgement.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 03:12:22 AM
Of course modding a forum is difficult. But I think complaining about "niggers" is a cause for automatic banishment. CEOs of major companies have lost their jobs for less utterly racist and insulting statements. And this one was utterly racist and insulting.
Cavebear. No other mod is on right now. I do not want to make a decision like full perma-banning a member that has been a part of this website for so long on a dime like that, without consulting the other moderators. I did want to take care of it, at least partly immediately.
I do not need to explain this to you, but since you are going to keep complain about it, I feel mildly obliged to. Now let me do my job.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 22, 2018, 03:20:07 AM
Cavebear. No other mod is on right now. I do not want to make a decision like full perma-banning a member that has been a part of this website for so long on a dime like that, without consulting the other moderators. I did want to take care of it, at least partly immediately.
I do not need to explain this to you, but since you are going to keep complain about it, I feel mildly obliged to. Now let me do my job.
Discuss it with the other mods when you can. I think they will agree that Gilgamesh has crossed the line and is a problem. I'm not challenging you in any way. I just thought complaining about "niggers' was (and should be) an automatic account-killer...
Cavebear
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 22, 2018, 01:29:37 AM
After australia's gun-grab, the murder-rate remains the same.
My home country of canada has a really high rate of gun ownership. No gun violence epidemic.
The problem is cultural. Allowing the state more power - especially the power to label you a criminal for owning tools for defense, is not the answer. Especially not when that same state is importing violent cavemen left and right.
Canada is different, eh? Australia and NZ also. Americans mostly don't realize y'all aren't part of the States.
Delete.
QuoteA month ago you didn't even know what an incel was but now that the MSM creates fake outrage around the term you throw the term around like you're politically aware lollll.
I know you most likely wont be back, and if you are it won't be for long, but I have been aware of men abusing women and blaming them for all their problems for a good 25+ years now, thanks. I just didn't have a catchall phrase for them other than worthless pieces of shit. As you may or may not be aware, incel is a little bit shorter than that.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 22, 2018, 07:29:06 AM
I know you most likely wont be back, and if you are it won't be for long, but I have been aware of men abusing women and blaming them for all their problems for a good 25+ years now, thanks. I just didn't have a catchall phrase for them other than worthless pieces of shit. As you may or may not be aware, incel is a little bit shorter than that.
Just so you know, I have been aware that men have abused women throughout history. Most men (I hope) are not stupid are blind to that today. We are not our great-grandfathers. I'm not saying that because it seems clever or proper. Wrong is wrong. Abusers are wrong, though and need therapy.
History has been a study of those who succeed against odds, but it has also been a study of those who were powerless and sufferred...
My ancestors were downtrodden by ancient thugs who lorded it over all of us, but over the women more than the men. It was wrong on both, but more for women.
I think it is good that women are speaking up about it today. I knew of some things, but I never realized how bad it was. Sometimes it just requires information that was hidden in the past. When the light of knowledge shines on past wrongs, the wrongs are exposed.
Civilization advances too slowly. But it does advance...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2018, 03:31:15 AM
Discuss it with the other mods when you can. I think they will agree that Gilgamesh has crossed the line and is a problem. I'm not challenging you in any way. I just thought complaining about "niggers' was (and should be) an automatic account-killer...
We don't actually have a rule against racism, but we can use our opinion that certain language is being used to incite, which we consider trolling. As much as I have worked over my life to overcome my own racism I hate to see it in any fashion, yet personally I don't want to fall into censorship on an internet forum even if it is offensive. Perhaps we will discuss this more. Should we decide to add that to the rules specifically, I have no problem enforcing it.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 22, 2018, 07:41:04 PM
Also, check out that killer moderator comment thing I added. Isn't it awesome? Just want to gloat a bit about my amazing administrator skills, adding codes and shit. Look at me. I'm a genius
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Quote from: aitm on May 22, 2018, 01:19:13 PM
We don't actually have a rule against racism, but we can use our opinion that certain language is being used to incite, which we consider trolling. As much as I have worked over my life to overcome my own racism I hate to see it in any fashion, yet personally I don't want to fall into censorship on an internet forum even if it is offensive. Perhaps we will discuss this more. Should we decide to add that to the rules specifically, I have no problem enforcing it.
Have the offender take down the offending post. Non-cooperation with the moderators is a banning offense however ;-) Directly banning someone permanently does happen here, but I don't like it, it is just spite and prejudice. No virtue signaling there.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 22, 2018, 07:41:04 PM
Also, check out that killer moderator comment thing I added. Isn't it awesome? Just want to gloat a bit about my amazing administrator skills, adding codes and shit. Look at me. I'm a genius
Brilliant! Surely you did, in fact, come before the chicken.
Apparently more kids have died in school in the USA this year than the military.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 23, 2018, 01:07:53 PM
Apparently more kids have died in school in the USA this year than the military.
We can alway equalize with a all volunteer circular firing squad ;-(
Many of the deaths are no longer reported in the military. Classified I hear.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 23, 2018, 01:07:53 PM
Apparently more kids have died in school in the USA this year than the military.
And ~2,555 kids have been killed by guns in the past 12 months, in all locations.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 23, 2018, 01:38:32 PM
And ~2,555 kids have been killed by guns in the past 12 months, in all locations.
Not enough to achieve an extinction event, however. And small compared to the people killed in the past 12 months by US supported foreign policy. Gas up that car or SUV.
According to FBI stats about 300 kids have been killed in school shootings in the last decade. In that same time period, about 57,000 young people have committed suicide.
Your child is 200x more likely to kill themselves than to be killed at school; but your children are being used as a pawn to disarm citizens.
Obama stats said guns were used in self defense 750k-2M times each year.
America has a suicide and crime problem. Neither of those things will be solved by any gun law. Or any law at all really.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 22, 2018, 07:29:06 AM
I know you most likely wont be back, and if you are it won't be for long, but I have been aware of men abusing women and blaming them for all their problems for a good 25+ years now, thanks. I just didn't have a catchall phrase for them other than worthless pieces of shit. As you may or may not be aware, incel is a little bit shorter than that.
Well incel is not the catchall phrase for them. Incels are involuntary celibates. Do you honestly believe that the majority of this demographic (incels) are abusing women and killing people? Do you honestly believe that it's even a large minority?
Of course it's fucking not. Most incels are just socially anxious nerds. And now the legacy media has convinced a bunch of normies that picking on the shy nerd is morally correct. It has become okay to punch down.
Ah, the "we can't fix everything immediately, so why try fixing anything at all" school of thought. If dead kids could talk they would object.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 06:26:57 AM
Ah, the "we can't fix everything immediately, so why try fixing anything at all" school of thought. If dead kids could talk they would object.
That's not at all synonymous with what I said.
I am telling you that if you want toa solution to pointless death, then gun regulation/banning is not a solution. It won't stop pointless death from happening at the same rate as it already does.
If that makes you happy...
What laws regarding guns and gun ownership would you like to see passed?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 06:56:19 AM
What laws regarding guns and gun ownership would you like to see passed?
Single shot guns only, one round per barrel. Max two barrels. I know the truly dedicated will find ways around that, humans are treacherous creatures. It's a start, however.
BTW, I've been an owner and shooter since 1965. I own a fully functional and properly licensed Browning M2 .50 cal. HMG. Just short-circuiting that "argument", somebody always claims I don't know anything about guns. In point of fact I used to kill people for $8.27/day, before deductions.
QuoteAccording to FBI stats about 300 kids have been killed in school shootings in the last decade. In that same time period, about 57,000 young people have committed suicide.
Your child is 200x more likely to kill themselves than to be killed at school; but your children are being used as a pawn to disarm citizens.
Perfect reason to enact gun control then, since statistics show access to a gun makes one significantly more likely to commit suicide, and to do so successfully.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 24, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
Perfect reason to enact gun control then, since statistics show access to a gun makes one significantly more likely to commit suicide, and to do so successfully.
Or, in some cases, worse, unsuccessfully.
My extended family has lost 4 kids per year to handgun deaths since 2000. (There are a LOT of us, but that's still too many.)
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 07:06:50 AM
Single shot guns only, one round per barrel. Max two barrels. I know the truly dedicated will find ways around that, humans are treacherous creatures. It's a start, however.
BTW, I've been an owner and shooter since 1965. I own a fully functional and properly licensed Browning M2 .50 cal. HMG. Just short-circuiting that "argument", somebody always claims I don't know anything about guns. In point of fact I used to kill people for $8.27/day, before deductions.
Fully automatic weapons are damn-near impossible to own legally in the states. Ya' gotta find one being sold that was registered before 1986 and have several thousand dollars to spend on it at least, AND pass a rigorous background check AND fill out a mountain of paperwork; then you're good to go.
But basically you want it to be illegal to own magazine-fed autoloading firearms?
You can find videos on Youtube of people emptying a Glock with an extended mag. (30 rounds) in less than 11 seconds. "Automatic" is moot.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
Quote from: Shiranu on May 24, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
Perfect reason to enact gun control then, since statistics show access to a gun makes one significantly more likely to commit suicide, and to do so successfully.
That's not what statistics show. That's your (wrong) interpretation of the data.
First off, BARELY over half of all suicides in the states are done with a firearm.
Second off, there are around 300 million guns in the states. That's a little less than 1 gun per person (although ya' gotta take into account that 50% of guns are owned by 3% of the population.) The fact is the vast VAST majority of gun owners are not committing suicide, so your interpretation that owning a firearm makes you more likely to kill yourself is false.
And third off, you don't pass laws, restricting peoples freedom, on the basis that individuals are hurting themselves with that freedom. Using that reasoning all drugs and all junk food should be illegal. Fuck that. Liberty of the individual above all - THAT is what being a liberal is about. That means people have the freedom to hurt themselves.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 07:38:24 AM
And third off, you don't pass laws, restricting peoples freedom, on the basis that individuals are hurting themselves with that freedom. Using that reasoning all drugs and all junk food should be illegal. Fuck that. Liberty of the individual above all - THAT is what being a liberal is about. That means people have the freedom to hurt themselves.
Really? We passed laws requiring people be tested before they can drive a car.
And with great liberty comes great responsibility. Gunners are having a problem with that. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24054955
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 06:26:57 AM
Ah, the "we can't fix everything immediately, so why try fixing anything at all" school of thought. If dead kids could talk they would object.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
With omniscience, the victims should have killed the shooter first. Minority Report ...
Quote from: Shiranu on May 24, 2018, 07:22:03 AM
Perfect reason to enact gun control then, since statistics show access to a gun makes one significantly more likely to commit suicide, and to do so successfully.
Being male means more likely to use a gun, and be successful at suicide. Women tend to use pills, and be less successful (they aren't violent enough)
So ban pills? Ban plastic sacks? Or maybe we have a mental health crisis (which will be hard for politics to solve).
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 07:40:51 AM
Really? We passed laws requiring people be tested before they can drive a car.
And with great liberty comes great responsibility. Gunners are having a problem with that. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24054955
People should be licensed by #The Resistance before being allowed to post on the Internet ;-) You might be one of Putin's minions of election disruption.
Quote from: Baruch on May 24, 2018, 07:45:24 AM
Being male means more likely to use a gun, and be successful at suicide. Women tend to use pills, and be less successful (they aren't violent enough)
So ban pills? Ban plastic sacks? Or maybe we have a mental health crisis (which will be hard for politics to solve).
Or ban males?
Progressives are retarded. They never learned the golden rule that correlation does not equal causation. If you eliminate all other correlating factors, then every remaining one becomes increasingly likely the causative factor. But this isn't what they do. They just pick the factor the best suits their narrative without reasoning why and think they are actually interpreting data. It'd be hilarious if it didn't create rhetoric capable of convincing laymen.
Civil discourse is out the window, as usual.
Nothing wrong with calling people retards, so long as you provide a heaping spoonful of argument before hand.
Edit:
Here is the 'PC' version of my previous post:
Correlation does not equal causation. If you eliminate all other correlating factors, then every remaining one becomes increasingly likely the causative factor. But this isn't what 'progressives' do. They just pick the factor the best suits their narrative without reasoning why and think they are actually interpreting data. It'd be hilarious if it didn't create rhetoric capable of convincing laymen.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 08:09:14 AM
Nothing wrong with calling people retards, so long as you provide a heaping spoonful of argument before hand.
That's an argument a retard would use.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 08:09:51 AM
That's an argument a retard would use.
In fact it's not an argument at all. I'll agree that I'm a miserable toxic shithead but retarded I am not.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 08:11:41 AM
In fact it's not an argument at all. I'll agree that I'm a miserable toxic shithead but retarded I am not.
You're very clever, in your own mind. Clean that shit up and you might be worth talking to.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 07:40:51 AM
Really? We passed laws requiring people be tested before they can drive a car.
Regulating something that can kill others can be good, depending on the specific regulation.
It's why both motorvehicles and guns are already regulated.
Your post is irrelevant, then, because shiranu was contending that guns used on the self was reason itself to regulate/ban them. If someone wants to hurt themselves, or do something that has the possibility of hurting themselves (and not others) it is necessarily tyrannical for the government to restrict freedoms universally to stop those individuals from doing so. At least it is if you are looking at it from a liberal perspective.
Fix nothing until everything is fixed policy. Got it.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 08:15:06 AM
You're very clever, in your own mind. Clean that shit up and you might be worth talking to.
This reads like an intentional example of huge ego. You are supposing that one should change themselves to your liking on the basis that if they do their worth as an individual will rise to the point of being worthy of interaction.
See if you examined what it is you were actually saying when you expressed yourself you'd find that you say a lot of fucked up things, too. But you won't - and probably can't - analyse things this way.
Me, personally; I am just blatantly and intentionally a conduit for nastiness. I'm not this way for real. And I'm also not this way but pretending to be otherwise, like you asshats :)
I hate to make posts like this, because I live by the proverb; "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." But sometimes these posts are useful, because helping people see the internal mechanisms by which they manufacture their follies in reason renders them more open to your rhetoric, thereafter, concerning the actual topic.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
Fix nothing until everything is fixed policy. Got it.
The sarcastic paraphrase is the weakest tool in an idiots box.
Vaya con diablos.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
Fix nothing until everything is fixed policy. Got it.
Just start the dictatorship already ... Hillary will look good dressed up like General Pinochet.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 08:06:07 AM
Or ban males?
Progressives are retarded. They never learned the golden rule that correlation does not equal causation. If you eliminate all other correlating factors, then every remaining one becomes increasingly likely the causative factor. But this isn't what they do. They just pick the factor the best suits their narrative without reasoning why and think they are actually interpreting data. It'd be hilarious if it didn't create rhetoric capable of convincing laymen.
Liberals have a different mental illness than crazy shooters. They have crazy collectivist ideas about fixing things, when the real problem is psychological, both the crazy shooters and the liberals.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 08:07:59 AM
Civil discourse is out the window, as usual.
The US is in a state of Civil War. Get your muskets ready!
The NRA has a new response...
Via NRATv Official Twitter Account...
Quote"It's time to put an end to this glorification of carnage in pursuit of ratings because it's killing our kids. It's time for Congress to step up and pass legislation putting common sense limitations on #MSM's ability to report on these school shootings." â€"
Yup. That is how low they have sunk. "Common Sense Limitations on #MSM's ability to report on these school shootings".
Who hurt you, NRA? Who turned you into such vile, toxic individuals?
It's just about the money. In the same way Vlad gave a small baby to his fangirls to drain the life out of, so money has burned the soul out of the NRA.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 24, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
It's just about the money. In the same way Vlad gave a small baby to his fangirls to drain the life out of, so money has burned the soul out of the NRA.
It is only the money (materialism kills). And the point is power, money is just liquid power. And yes, control of the media, since WW I at least, is what a large part of what government is about. Madison Ave.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 24, 2018, 04:02:25 PMYup. That is how low they have sunk. "Common Sense Limitations on #MSM's ability to report on these school shootings".
Shooting the messenger. Metaphorically. (for now)
Quote from: aitm on May 22, 2018, 01:19:13 PM
We don't actually have a rule against racism, but we can use our opinion that certain language is being used to incite, which we consider trolling. As much as I have worked over my life to overcome my own racism I hate to see it in any fashion, yet personally I don't want to fall into censorship on an internet forum even if it is offensive. Perhaps we will discuss this more. Should we decide to add that to the rules specifically, I have no problem enforcing it.
I abide by the Admins decisions, of course. And I'm not trying to start a fight here.
But may I ask if it is a matter of context or is it "how many times"? Is there ever an acceptable use of the term "nigger"? Would 2 times be acceptable? How about 3? How about 20? I'm trying to make a point of course. I'm not here to make the Admin's lives difficult. I actually respect you all.
But I have a point I don't think is being acknowledged. We use many terms that are acceptable as self-identified groups. There are Moslems, there are Christians, there are Atheists. They are members of these groups are not offended by the labels.
But some terms are offensive to the people described and THAT makes a difference. Are you suggesting it is now acceptable here to refer to: "chinks, wetbacks, fags, queers, abos, coons, honkies, bucks, crows, jungle bunnies, mammies, pickaninnies, spades, spooks, gooks, japs, nips, slants, curry-eaters, sand-niggers, wetbacks, greaseballs, beaners, gringos, crackers, okies, peckerwoods, whiteys, dagos, greasers, wogs, squaws, and the list goes on.
Do you get my point? You accept "nigger" and you will have to accept all the rest... So you admins get back together and think about that.
I don't want any of that evil stuff, and the time to stop it is immediately after ONE person uses a term like that. HARD.
I rest my case...
Yes, there are inappropriate words. But monkey has to be acceptable, toward any human, if you follow Darwin.
Quote from: Baruch on May 25, 2018, 08:35:54 AM
Yes, there are inappropriate words. But monkey has to be acceptable, toward any human, if you follow Darwin.
People are apes. Not monkeys.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 25, 2018, 01:06:17 PM
People are apes. Not monkeys.
Baruch never does quite admit that distinction. He likes to diminish evolution in emotional ways like that. It's a Trump habit too. The difference is that Trump is just actually stupid while Baruch is willing to make bad arguments, knowing better, but in order to try to win a single post argument not seeing the whole.
Another school shooting today, in Indiana, two in critical condition.
USA Today says it's at least the 21st school shooting this year:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/05/25/noblesville-indiana-school-shooting-list-2018/644505002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories
At least no one seems to have been killed this time, but that's no thanks to anything the authorities have done.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 25, 2018, 01:34:31 PM
Another school shooting today, in Indiana, two in critical condition.
This is going to sound sick. But "Oh crap there goes another day of real news".
The deaths are horrible. But so are too many others unreported. It is becoming local news. I want to know what is going on between the US and China, Dollars to Euros, What is going on in N Korea and Iran.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 25, 2018, 01:34:31 PM
Another school shooting today, in Indiana, two in critical condition.
About twenty miles from where I used to live. Fucking middle schools getting attacked. More individual freedoms.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 25, 2018, 01:56:21 PM
About twenty miles from where I used to live. Fucking middle schools getting attacked. More individual freedoms.
And the NRA will state tomorrow that "everyone should have guns"...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 02:01:56 PM
And the NRA will state tomorrow that "everyone should have guns"...
Um, this is Indiana, so that's already done.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 25, 2018, 02:04:30 PM
Um, this is Indiana, so that's already done.
Doesn't matter, the NRA will push "more guns".
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 02:05:19 PM
Doesn't matter, the NRA will push "more guns".
Yeah, this is the state where my Y-donor could buy guns without ID and while wearing just his underwear. (ALZ or equivalent.) No waiting period for "regular customers". (Not state policy, just businessmen ignoring the laws.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqfNroFp8U
Quote from: Blackleaf on May 25, 2018, 04:01:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqfNroFp8U
is this the kind of entertainment low iq people consume nowadays
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 01:21:48 PM
Baruch never does quite admit that distinction. He likes to diminish evolution in emotional ways like that. It's a Trump habit too. The difference is that Trump is just actually stupid while Baruch is willing to make bad arguments, knowing better, but in order to try to win a single post argument not seeing the whole.
"Apes" sounds too offensive to me ... you can stuff your technical correctness. Like political correctness, only actually correct. Monkeys are cute, apes are not (did I say that!).
If you don't like bad news, stop watching/reading the news. You can't change this train wreck in progress anyway. Do you really want to just die when the plane crashes, or do you have to scream your chicken shit head off, and bother the other passengers ... who are already not having a good time.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 01:59:51 AM
You accept "nigger" and you will have to accept all the rest...
I don't "accept" the word..or any of the words you wish to use.
My parents weren't "racist" but they were. I wasn't raised "racist" but I was. My town wasn't "racist" but it was.
Ban racism and you have no idea who is sitting next to you.
Open the gates and you know exactly who is sitting next to you.
Which do you prefer?
Normally I do not allow radios on my construction site, today the elevator installers were on site and in the hole and the radio was blasting some rap and it was "nigger, nigger nigger nigger" and I have to say, I can't argue with people who suggest we can't use the word when the song is being played to be played on the fucking radio. I had the radio shut off and I swear some of the workers asked if I didn't like black music. There is no win in this, and frankly I am tired of the argument as well.
I am against censorship of any kind. I also am not happy that I cannot censor people who need to be censored. There ARE people who should be censored...but then it may be me.
Racism is the belief that individuals are necessarily lesser on the basis that they have a superficial trait; All individuals who share this trait are lesser.
The idea that using the word, 'nigger' necessitates that you hold the above belief is self-evidently absurd. There is no inherent correlation.
I use it to offend peoples sensibilities. Because if you have sensibilities concerning the language people use, they SHOULD be fucking offended. Why? Because it shows the fragility of your ego. Maybe then you'll examine your ego and put it back together in a way where it doesn't break down over your inability to compel others speech.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 25, 2018, 08:22:00 PM
Racism is the belief that individuals are necessarily lesser on the basis that they have a superficial trait; All individuals who share this trait are lesser.
The idea that using the word, 'nigger' necessitates that you hold the above belief is self-evidently absurd. There is no inherent correlation.
I use it to offend peoples sensibilities. Because if you have sensibilities concerning the language people use, they SHOULD be fucking offended. Why? Because it shows the fragility of your ego. Maybe then you'll examine your ego and put it back together in a way where it doesn't break down over your inability to compel others speech.
Politeness will win more arguments than a brick upside someone's head. On the other hand, breathing offends the snowflakes ;-( And yes, in this bully pulpit, I will be a bit aggressive myself.
The only problem with dictatorship, is we can't decide which one of us should be dictator.
Even Dubya thought we'd be better off if this were a dictatorship - as long as he's the dictator.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 26, 2018, 01:48:53 PM
Even Dubya thought we'd be better off if this were a dictatorship - as long as he's the dictator.
Dubya was Cheney's sock puppet, and in terms of taking amoral action, Cheney was a genius.
Quote from: Baruch on May 25, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
"Apes" sounds too offensive to me ... you can stuff your technical correctness. Like political correctness, only actually correct. Monkeys are cute, apes are not (did I say that!).
If you don't like bad news, stop watching/reading the news. You can't change this train wreck in progress anyway. Do you really want to just die when the plane crashes, or do you have to scream your chicken shit head off, and bother the other passengers ... who are already not having a good time.
Then take it up with Carl Linnaeus. Don't try and make it my problem.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 27, 2018, 05:29:44 AM
Then take it up with Carl Linnaeus. Don't try and make it my problem.
Your avatar is cute, a coyote is not. A value judgement ... so I am "racist".
I think coyotes are very cute!
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 27, 2018, 06:00:01 PM
I think coyotes are very cute!
They're an invasive species. You cat disappears, maybe coyote. Your dog pregnant, maybe coyote. Wetlands in Yellowstone disappear, definitely coyotes. They killed beavers that dammed creeks and made habitat for water fowl, fish, and aquatic animals. Taking the wolves away allowed the coyotes to breed out of control.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 27, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
Wetlands in Yellowstone disappear, definitely coyotes. They killed beavers that dammed creeks and made habitat for water fowl, fish, and aquatic animals. Taking the wolves away allowed the coyotes to breed out of control.
Man is really bad at this plant and animal control thing. He's been importing pests and eradicating helpful predators for 200 years, and if there is one thing he should have learned by now, is that he totally sucks at balancing nature. He busts his ass to create the perfect environment, when what he really needs to do is learn how to sit back and leave things alone.
Quote from: SGOS on May 27, 2018, 10:28:00 PM
Man is really bad at this plant and animal control thing. He's been importing pests and eradicating helpful predators for 200 years, and if there is one thing he should have learned by now, is that he totally sucks at balancing nature. He busts his ass to create the perfect environment, when what he really needs to do is learn how to sit back and leave things alone.
The really stupid thing about the Yellowstone wolf extermination was that they thought it would make for better trophy bucks. Instead the animals overbred and the herds overgrazed, causing stunted deer and elk. And they weren't observant enough to note that the wolves preferred prey without large racks of antlers, pointy things can get a wolf hurt.
There's a great book by a guy who used to hunt wolves for the bounty. As he observed them he became more and more aware of their role in nature and he converted to naturalist, one of the first to work with canis lupus.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 28, 2018, 06:55:58 AM
The really stupid thing about the Yellowstone wolf extermination was that they thought it would make for better trophy bucks. Instead the animals overbred and the herds overgrazed, causing stunted deer and elk. And they weren't observant enough to note that the wolves preferred prey without large racks of antlers, pointy things can get a wolf hurt.
It's hard to make a living as a predator. It makes no sense to select the most dangerous animals in the herd when it's time to eat.
Quote from: SGOS on May 28, 2018, 07:43:52 AM
It's hard to make a living as a predator. It makes no sense to select the most dangerous animals in the herd when it's time to eat.
In the completely unintended consequences category: There were no new aspens grown in Yellowstone between 1923 and 1993.
Ha! Who would have guessed. I had to look that up:
Quotehttps://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/weekinreview/05basic.html
Aspens may be symbols of the West, but over the last half century, they’ve been disappearing from the Lamar Valley of Yellowstone National Park. The reason is not a mystery. The elk that winter there were eating the young aspen shoots before they had a chance to grow.
But over the last few years, the trees have been making a comeback. Scientists credit the wolves that were reintroduced to Yellowstone in 1995 after an absence of nearly 70 years...
...But the study found that an “ecology of fear†has helped to restore balance to the valley, protecting young aspen shoots from browsing elk for the first time in decades.
William J. Ripple, a professor in the university’s College of Forestry and an author of the study, said aspens were recovering in areas where it would be difficult for elk to escape a wolf attack.
“We think these elk need to balance the risk of being killed versus eating in their favorite places. So it’s a trade-off between food and risk in an ecology of fear,†he said.
Yeah, okay.
Elk tasted a lot better than deer meat. Just sayin'. Moose is gamey though.
Quote from: Baruch on May 25, 2018, 06:45:44 PM
"Apes" sounds too offensive to me ... you can stuff your technical correctness. Like political correctness, only actually correct. Monkeys are cute, apes are not (did I say that!).
If you don't like bad news, stop watching/reading the news. You can't change this train wreck in progress anyway. Do you really want to just die when the plane crashes, or do you have to scream your chicken shit head off, and bother the other passengers ... who are already not having a good time.
WOW! You really went of the rails there.
So calling humans "monkeys" (which they are not) is sensible to you, but calling them "apes" (which we are) is somehow "offensive".
Seriously, think about that. You are so utterly wrong I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about your inaccurate statement.
Well, yeah, I laugh...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 02:07:47 AM
So calling humans "monkeys" (which they are not) is sensible to you, but calling them "apes" (which we are) is somehow "offensive".
Seriously, think about that. You are so utterly wrong I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about your inaccurate statement.
He's running out of ways to be annoying, so he's making remarkably dumb comments to get under your skin.
Quote from: SGOS on May 29, 2018, 07:14:08 AM
He's running out of ways to be annoying, so he's making remarkably dumb comments to get under your skin.
He doesn't get under my skin actually. I just love the way he keeps giving me really stupid statements to reply to. I get bored late at night sometimes and stupid is better than nothing..
*sigh*
Quote from: Baruch on May 28, 2018, 10:46:29 AM
Moose is gamey though.
That's what you get from a constant diet of submerged swamp muck.
Quote from: SGOS on May 29, 2018, 08:06:18 AM
That's what you get from a constant diet of submerged swamp muck.
Well, in case you haven't noticed, I ALWAYS reply to the rest of you before I reply to Baruch. If any of you are active, I'm THERE. Baruch is sort of my Crazy 8's game while I am waiting for serious posts....
I have me on ignore, so I can't tell if you're replying to me or not.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 29, 2018, 10:04:16 AM
I have me on ignore, so I can't tell if you're replying to me or not.
Well, everyone else can. LOLOL!
Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2018, 07:01:21 AM
Your avatar is cute, a coyote is not. A value judgement ... so I am "racist".
Based on Gilgamesh's definition of racist above, and your bolded statement statement I'd have to say that yes, yes you are. ;)
(https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2014/01/coyote3.jpg.638x0_q80_crop-smart.jpg)
I have no compunctions about helping relieve the country of several hundred coyotes a year.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on May 29, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
Based on Gilgamesh's definition of racist above, and your bolded statement statement I'd have to say that yes, yes you are. ;)
(https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2014/01/coyote3.jpg.638x0_q80_crop-smart.jpg)
I do not especially love coyotes. Too many friends have lost treasured pets to them. And I firmly stand on top of the food chart and would as willingly eliminate them as cave lions. But there could be restricted zones for them. Let them eat rabbits and Beep-Beeps.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 27, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
They're an invasive species. You cat disappears, maybe coyote. Your dog pregnant, maybe coyote. Wetlands in Yellowstone disappear, definitely coyotes. They killed beavers that dammed creeks and made habitat for water fowl, fish, and aquatic animals. Taking the wolves away allowed the coyotes to breed out of control.
Yeah, even some earthworms are invasive, I recently learned:
Earthworms as invasive species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthworms_as_invasive_species)
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 29, 2018, 01:26:15 PM
Yeah, even some earthworms are invasive, I recently learned:
Earthworms as invasive species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthworms_as_invasive_species)
The scale of damage might be usefully considered.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 29, 2018, 01:26:15 PM
Yeah, even some earthworms are invasive, I recently learned:
Earthworms as invasive species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthworms_as_invasive_species)
Yes, earthworms are invasive. But ask Brits about flatworms...
Quote from: SGOS on May 29, 2018, 07:14:08 AM
He's running out of ways to be annoying, so he's making remarkably dumb comments to get under your skin.
I love a challenge ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 02:07:47 AM
WOW! You really went of the rails there.
So calling humans "monkeys" (which they are not) is sensible to you, but calling them "apes" (which we are) is somehow "offensive".
Seriously, think about that. You are so utterly wrong I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about your inaccurate statement.
Well, yeah, I laugh...
One right person is better than one million who agree, and who are wrong. Now we just have to find that one person ;-)
Quote from: SGOS on May 29, 2018, 07:14:08 AM
He's running out of ways to be annoying, so he's making remarkably dumb comments to get under your skin.
Reminds me of a tick I had last year...
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 30, 2018, 01:55:19 PM
Reminds me of a tick I had last year...
The tick must have bugged off ... I doubt someone as bloodless as you has any to give ;-)
I sure don't have any to spare for a hungry bug!
Quote from: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
One right person is better than one million who agree, and who are wrong. Now we just have to find that one person ;-)
You are talking to him. Which of course, once again, has nothing to do with anything. You are back on "ignore".
Quote from: Cavebear on June 01, 2018, 01:09:59 AM
You are talking to him. Which of course, once again, has nothing to do with anything. You are back on "ignore".
You don't need to tell people when they are on ignore. You can just ignore them.
Quote from: Blackleaf on June 01, 2018, 02:20:14 AM
You don't need to tell people when they are on ignore. You can just ignore them.
Well, I wouldn't want him to think I was just ignoring him if I wasn't "IGNORING" him formally. And besides, it it sort of a game with us. I actually read some of his posts. But he never knows for sure... He plays his games, I play mine.
LOL!
Aside from that, I am quite rational. ;)
Quote from: Cavebear on June 01, 2018, 02:30:35 AM
Well, I wouldn't want him to think I was just ignoring him if I wasn't "IGNORING" him formally. And besides, it it sort of a game with us. I actually read some of his posts. But he never knows for sure... He plays his games, I play mine.
LOL!
Aside from that, I am quite rational. ;)
Again the quaint egotism. Yes, we are secret lovers (Platonic of course). Two lonely old men, as someone has observed, like the two guys in the balcony at The Muppets Show.