I would be interested to see a survey of attitudes towards gay marriage in different countries broken down by religion. Only about one percent of Americans are Muslim.
Majority of U.S. Muslims Now Support Gay Marriage, While White Evangelical Christians Remain Opposed
http://www.newsweek.com/muslim-white-evangelical-gay-marriage-907627
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormonsâ€"an overwhelming majority of whom are whiteâ€"are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law.
As a whole, 63 percent of Americans now back allowing same-sex couples to marry, up from 52 percent four years ago. All major racial groups now have a majority in favor. Republicans, though, remain opposed, 51 percent to 42 percent.
I would suspect that Buddhist countries are more relaxed on gay marriage, same as Hindus. Abrahamics of course are reflexively opposed. But that is just a guess. More secular countries are probably also more relaxed. But hard to say, for example Russia, where Putin is supposed to be very anti-gay.
Just at the face of it I am extremely skeptical about that tactics used in collecting this data - or if the data is even being accurately represented. Islam the ideology is fundamentally opposed to homosexuality - and all its adherents who I've heard speak on the subject never even try to hide this.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 07, 2018, 06:06:30 PM
Just at the face of it I am extremely skeptical about that tactics used in collecting this data - or if the data is even being accurately represented. Islam the ideology is fundamentally opposed to homosexuality - and all its adherents who I've heard speak on the subject never even try to hide this.
Polls lie, and not just in elections or in Warsaw.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 07, 2018, 06:06:30 PM
Just at the face of it I am extremely skeptical about that tactics used in collecting this data - or if the data is even being accurately represented. Islam the ideology is fundamentally opposed to homosexuality - and all its adherents who I've heard speak on the subject never even try to hide this.
I can only do the same and use anecdotal examples... all the Muslims I have talked to that the topic came up (not very many) have also been openly opposed to homosexuality, but I also think all of them agreed that it was not their business and shouldn't be the states' either. I think they realised you cant ask to be treated equally while saying other people shouldn't be treated equally as well (even if you disagree with them).
Not to derail the thread, but this is the first time I ever looked up the definition of Evangelical Christian. Who are those people really? Well, no one seems to know, not even Billy Graham, and he even admitted it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/evangelical-christian/418236/
So how does the poll determine what an Evangelical is, so that they can compare them to regular Christians?
According to Wiki
QuoteEvangelical Christianity, or evangelical Protestantism,[a] is a worldwide, crossdenominational movement within Protestant Christianity which maintains the belief that the essence of the Gospel consists of the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ's atonement.
If you accept this definition as correct, even though it seems to be widely contested, how does Evangelical Christianity differ from Christianity?
Every time I read the latest poll about the gay movement, I feel a recurring surprise. It wasn't overnight, although sometimes it seems like it. I first became aware of the political movement back in 1970, and who knows how much earlier it was going on? A lot of work with little progress took place during the first 40 years I was aware of it. I thought it would never gain popular support, and then it finally crossed a threshold and its momentum is accelerating every year since then.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 07, 2018, 06:39:06 PM
I can only do the same and use anecdotal examples... all the Muslims I have talked to that the topic came up (not very many) have also been openly opposed to homosexuality, but I also think all of them agreed that it was not their business and shouldn't be the states' either. I think they realised you cant ask to be treated equally while saying other people shouldn't be treated equally as well (even if you disagree with them).
Some Muslims eat pork (I just read an anecdote on that from Britain). So all Muslims eat pork.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on May 07, 2018, 03:11:59 PM
I would be interested to see a survey of attitudes towards gay marriage in different countries broken down by religion. Only about one percent of Americans are Muslim.
Your wish is my command.
https://www.prri.org/spotlight/attitudes-on-same-sex-marriage-by-religious-affiliation-and-denominational-family/ (circa 2015, 28% of white evangelicals favored or strongly favored legalizing same sex marriage. For muslims, that number was 42%)
Also, I found this:
(https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/AVA-2017-Table_1.png)
Turns out Americans evangelicals are more interested in sharia than American muslims :P
Quote from: SGOS on May 07, 2018, 07:18:44 PM
Not to derail the thread, but this is the first time I ever looked up the definition of Evangelical Christian. Who are those people really? Well, no one seems to know, not even Billy Graham, and he even admitted it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/evangelical-christian/418236/
So how does the poll determine what an Evangelical is, so that they can compare them to regular Christians?
According to Wiki If you accept this definition as correct, even though it seems to be widely contested, how does Evangelical Christianity differ from Christianity?
There is the Great Commission and the Great Commandment. Evangelicals (including Catholic ones) emphasize the Great Commission. Aka evangelism. sheesh! If there were a group call Satanic Christians you could easily deduce that they worship Judas Iscariot as the true Messiah.
The Great Commandment is ... love each other as I loved you ... BTW.
The first missioning religion was Buddhism. A few Jews tried it, but it didn't work out well, until Gentile management staged a takeover. Christian evangelism went hand in hand with Late Roman Conquest. By that time the Sassanian Persians had gotten the bug (actually 50 years before Constantine) and invented Evangelical Zoroastrianism. Before that it had been a royal cult only. Pagan Arabs were hit from both sides by Evangelical Byzantines and Evangelical Sassaninds ... and invited Islam off of that.
Quote from: SGOS on May 07, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
Every time I read the latest poll about the gay movement, I feel a recurring surprise. It wasn't overnight, although sometimes it seems like it. I first became aware of the political movement back in 1970, and who knows how much earlier it was going on? A lot of work with little progress took place during the first 40 years I was aware of it. I thought it would never gain popular support, and then it finally crossed a threshold and its momentum is accelerating every year since then.
Stonewall .. but that was for Drag Queens, in 1969.
Quote from: SGOS on May 07, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
Every time I read the latest poll about the gay movement, I feel a recurring surprise. It wasn't overnight, although sometimes it seems like it. I first became aware of the political movement back in 1970, and who knows how much earlier it was going on? A lot of work with little progress took place during the first 40 years I was aware of it. I thought it would never gain popular support, and then it finally crossed a threshold and its momentum is accelerating every year since then.
I read about it in the early 2000s, basically had a "no duh" reaction, and waited and waited for the issue to finally be resolved. Almost half of my life was filled with people flipping out over what to me was a non-issue. It was an agonizingly slow process from my perspective.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 07, 2018, 08:40:18 PM
I read about it in the early 2000s, basically had a "no duh" reaction, and waited and waited for the issue to finally be resolved. Almost half of my life was filled with people flipping out over what to me was a non-issue. It was an agonizingly slow process from my perspective.
And when the Muslims take over ... at least in Europe, you can forget any progress you made in the last 500 years. Liberal manifest destiny is straight out of Karl Marx. Hope y'all had a good birthday party for that loser.
Wow! Out of 15 religious groups, only two have a majority that supports service discrimination by private business. I'd consider that a rout.
Quote from: SGOS on May 07, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
Wow! Out of 15 religious groups, only two have a majority that supports service discrimination by private business. I'd consider that a rout.
In the US, service discrimination is illegal ... unless you are a private country club. What Christians want to do, is selective ignoring of the law.
It makes sense to me that US Muslims, being such a small minority, could be sympathetic to LGBT people. Trump's "religious freedom" initiatives are clearly designed so conservative Christians can discriminate against people they don't like, which include LGBT people and Muslims. I will be surprised if there are any Muslims in Trump's new Faith and Opportunity Initiative office. Also, it's been years now since same-sex couples started marrying in the US and I think most people, including US Muslims, realize it didn't change anything for straight people.
Purely tactical.
If I say as a Muslim I approve of gay marriage (obvious taqiyya), then why should you object to polygamy or child marriage?
See how it works?
BTW, are those "approving" speak for 1.6 billion Muslims? Do they speak for Islam?
Quote from: pr126 on May 07, 2018, 11:33:53 PM
BTW, are those "approving" speak for 1.6 billion Muslims? Do they speak for Islam?
Who all do you speak for?
Quote from: Poison Tree on May 08, 2018, 01:42:45 AM
Who all do you speak for?
I am speaking for the gullible who can't get enough media propaganda.
This is how to make fantasy-based policies.
Quote from: pr126 on May 08, 2018, 02:02:16 AM
I am speaking for the gullible who can't get enough media propaganda.
This is how to make fantasy-based policies.
*Wonders if he realises the way he worded that indicates that he is part of the gullible who believe in fantasy-based policies*
Well, to be honest, I don't understand either gay or lesbian sex. The first seems a bit "icky" and the 2nd seems like mere foreplay. But that's the point; it isn't my desire or focus. What turns you on isn't my concern. I know what I like and it seems a bit functional (in general for species reproduction). But there are already too many humans on the planet anyway. LOL! If what you enjoy doesn't make more of us, I'm not sure that is a bad thing.
Reach out, find your kind, and enjoy life.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 08, 2018, 02:18:54 AM
*Wonders if he realises the way he worded that indicates that he is part of the gullible who believe in fantasy-based policies*
He has never admitted to being a member of the Labor party ;-)