Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
It is said that all parents hurt their children in some way or another. This is true, inadvertently.
No sane parent plans to intentionally hurt their children. Except, shamefully, in these enlightened times.
We are showing ourselves to be as callous as our maker. Perhaps this is not the brightest thing to do.
We intentionally pass on our negative biases to our children and continue to pass on our war mongering ways and debt.
I hope, like me; you do not take pride in passing on debt, a polluted world, continuing strife in issues that should have been resolved hundreds of years ago, homophobia, misogyny etc.
If we were half as bright as we think we are, none of us would be passing on our responsibilities and creating hardship for our progeny.
I have no way to effect mass change and am thus a prisoner to my shame.
I thought some might share theirs with me.
Caring seems to be at a low point these days.
Polarization is evil as it inhibits caring.
Shame reduces polarization.
Share your shame.
It is sharing love.
Regards
DL
For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
No kids. I'm good. Bring le deluge.
QuoteWe are showing ourselves to be as callous as our maker.
That is because we made "our maker" in our own image.
White Guilt?
Quote from: pr126 on April 12, 2018, 12:37:09 PM
That is because we made "our maker" in our own image.
White Guilt?
The POV of the OP is ... have a better standard of behavior. If you are a theist, then since we make our god in our image (I agree), make a god that is a positive ideal, not a negative problem.
Quote from: Baruch on April 12, 2018, 12:58:44 PM
The POV of the OP is ... have a better standard of behavior. If you are a theist, then since we make our god in our image (I agree), make a god that is a positive ideal, not a negative problem.
Tell that to The prophet Muhammad. (PBUH)
He created Allah in his own image. Allah is his own alter ego.
Quote from: pr126 on April 12, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
Tell that to The prophet Muhammad. (PBUH)
He created Allah in his own image. Allah is his own alter ego.
Yes, but better people have better alter-egos. Whining about things 1400 years ago, doesn't help anyone. If Hitler had been accepted to Vienna Art School ... millions more would have lived. The problem for you today, is that millions of Muslims see Allah as their alter ego. European colonialism tried to solve this, by making Jesus their alter ego.
Quote from: pr126 on April 12, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
Tell that to The prophet Muhammad. (PBUH)
He created Allah in his own image. Allah is his own alter ego.
Wrong part of the forum but what the hell.
Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk
Humanity centered religions, good? Yes.
Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes.
Do you agree?
Regards
DL
Speak for yourself son. Many of us don't follow your suggested programming.
Quote from: aitm on April 12, 2018, 05:07:35 PM
Speak for yourself son. Many of us don't follow your suggested programming.
True. Many do not mind burdening their children and grand children.
Regards
DL
On Children
Kahlil Gibran
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable.
The above was one of the ideas/ideals I used to help me raise my daughter. Of course I failed. I was not the best father I could have been. I was not perfect--but I did do the best I could with the personal makeup I had at that time to work with. But one thing I did do was shun shame. Shame is of little value--it only diminishes. I did discipline her, but not punish. I tried my damnedest to demonstrated that all of life is made of choices and each and every choice has consequences--good, bad or neutral. So, I hoped to have the discipline she needed to be corrective and not shame based. I showed disappointment (but not very often) but did not attach shame to it, only reasons why I was disappointed. Shame is not really corrective--it usually leads to depression or leads to thoughts of unworthiness. Those are not positive or corrective feelings to have--usually only makes matters worse.
Quote from: Greatest I am on April 12, 2018, 12:28:53 PM
Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
It is said that all parents hurt their children in some way or another. This is true, inadvertently.
No sane parent plans to intentionally hurt their children. Except, shamefully, in these enlightened times.
We are showing ourselves to be as callous as our maker. Perhaps this is not the brightest thing to do.
We intentionally pass on our negative biases to our children and continue to pass on our war mongering ways and debt.
I hope, like me; you do not take pride in passing on debt, a polluted world, continuing strife in issues that should have been resolved hundreds of years ago, homophobia, misogyny etc.
If we were half as bright as we think we are, none of us would be passing on our responsibilities and creating hardship for our progeny.
I have no way to effect mass change and am thus a prisoner to my shame.
I thought some might share theirs with me.
Caring seems to be at a low point these days.
Polarization is evil as it inhibits caring.
Shame reduces polarization.
Share your shame.
It is sharing love.
Regards
DL
For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
"As our Maker"? It makes everything else you say irrelevant.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 12, 2018, 08:37:31 PM
The above was one of the ideas/ideals I used to help me raise my daughter. Of course I failed. I was not the best father I could have been. I was not perfect--but I did do the best I could with the personal makeup I had at that time to work with. But one thing I did do was shun shame. Shame is of little value--it only diminishes. I did discipline her, but not punish. I tried my damnedest to demonstrated that all of life is made of choices and each and every choice has consequences--good, bad or neutral. So, I hoped to have the discipline she needed to be corrective and not shame based. I showed disappointment (but not very often) but did not attach shame to it, only reasons why I was disappointed. Shame is not really corrective--it usually leads to depression or leads to thoughts of unworthiness. Those are not positive or corrective feelings to have--usually only makes matters worse.
FMPOV, if we do not recognize that we should be ashamed of what we are doing to our children, we will not correct our foul actions.
Just knowing what we are doing does not seem to be moving us to a better way. Shame might trigger our sense of duty to our children.
If you have a better word, I am happy to hear it.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Cavebear on April 13, 2018, 02:10:57 AM
"As our Maker"? It makes everything else you say irrelevant.
Then you are not too bright.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Greatest I am on April 16, 2018, 07:01:15 PM
FMPOV, if we do not recognize that we should be ashamed of what we are doing to our children, we will not correct our foul actions.
Just knowing what we are doing does not seem to be moving us to a better way. Shame might trigger our sense of duty to our children.
If you have a better word, I am happy to hear it.
Regards
DL
It may be semantics, but I look at it like this:
Guilt:
a feeling of responsibility or remorse for some offense, crime, wrong, etc., whether real or imagined.
Shame:
the painful feeling arising from the consciousness of something dishonorable, improper, ridiculous, etc., done by oneself or another.
Shame is a loaded and toxic word. It too often drives a person to go within and hide from it. Guilt, when it dawns upon us, is often a motivator to change our actions or to repair the damage we have done, or both. I find that much more positive.
Mothers do "guilting" best ;-(
What if, instead of shame or guilt, we teach children to *think*, and most certainly not in the religious sense. Children who are taught that they have already been condemned to hell, unless they do A, B and C, will be filled with self-induced, never ending guilt - over "nothing" that actually exists. This impedes one's ability to think clearly. Now, on top of that we add shaming and guilt, based on the teachings of a book written by cavemen, and we remove their incentive to address real-world problems, from an intellectual perspective.
Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible. Why? Sheer numbers. Over population is lending to the environmental problems we are facing. Mo peeps ~ mo probs. And every young married couple dreams of adding *their child* to this world, cutting down further on the available parking spaces.
With the *big companies* running our financial institutions, and greed at an all time high (and rising) ~ what do we have to offer the youngsters of today? We, the 99%ers, have the illusion of control over the big issues of the day. But, in fact - we have no control over the big changes required to hand our kids a better future. This future has been mapped out already by the 1% of the 1%. I'm not saying that it's hopeless, but as long as religion decides the fate of a nation, and brings about wars, and decisively breaks populations into constantly waring factions, while promoting shame and guilt, it must be (in time) viewed as a purely evil thought process that should no longer be taught as truth.
Quote from: Emancipated on April 17, 2018, 03:51:36 PM
Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible. Why? Sheer numbers. Over population is lending to the environmental problems we are facing. Mo peeps ~ mo probs. And every young married couple dreams of adding *their child* to this world, cutting down further on the available parking spaces.
Which is, among other things, why I'm a member of
the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (http://www.vhemt.org/), and have vowed to never bring any children into this cold, cruel world.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 17, 2018, 07:46:02 PM
Which is, among other things, why I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (http://www.vhemt.org/), and have vowed to never bring any children into this cold, cruel world.
Apparently, I'm a member without even knowing it; over 50, married nearly 30 years - and not a kid in sight :)
Quote from: Emancipated on April 17, 2018, 07:53:14 PM
Apparently, I'm a member without even knowing it; over 50, married nearly 30 years - and not a kid in sight :)
High intelligence over-heates the gonads with brain power, like a microwave oven ;-) So the smarter you are, the more infertile you are ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on April 17, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
High intelligence over-heates the gonads with brain power, like a microwave oven ;-) So the smarter you are, the more infertile you are ;-(
Ergo, I must be a fucking genius :)
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 17, 2018, 07:46:02 PM
Which is, among other things, why I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (http://www.vhemt.org/), and have vowed to never bring any children into this cold, cruel world.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/NiOPyn6a7tV3q/200.gif)
O.P. I see the irony of your tag line contradicting your post.
I think that the technology to fix many of the problems we have has existed for a long time. They wont ever get solved as long as the decision makers are people that don’t know or don’t care.
Unbeliever: I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
I haven’t heard of this movement, but unless we start colonizing space every nation has a one-child policy in its future
Quote from: fencerider on April 18, 2018, 11:36:11 AM
O.P. I see the irony of your tag line contradicting your post.
I think that the technology to fix many of the problems we have has existed for a long time. They wont ever get solved as long as the decision makers are people that don’t know or don’t care.
Unbeliever: I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
I haven’t heard of this movement, but unless we start colonizing space every nation has a one-child policy in its future
Dangerous machines have a dead-man brake. Nature does too. The all-die policy Usually we all die one at a time, but nature would care if it was all die at once.
Quote from: Emancipated on April 17, 2018, 07:53:14 PM
Apparently, I'm a member without even knowing it; over 50, married nearly 30 years - and not a kid in sight :)
66.6 years old, married four times, no kids.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 18, 2018, 09:40:42 PM
66.6 years old, married four times, no kids.
So you are only evil once in your life?
Quote from: fencerider on April 18, 2018, 11:36:11 AM
O.P. I see the irony of your tag line contradicting your post.
I think that the technology to fix many of the problems we have has existed for a long time. They wont ever get solved as long as the decision makers are people that don’t know or don’t care.
Unbeliever: I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
I haven’t heard of this movement, but unless we start colonizing space every nation has a one-child policy in its future
I chose to not marry and have children. My genes do not have to spread. There are enough of us for complete diversity. Let there become fewer of us for our benefit and the benefit of the planet.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 16, 2018, 08:19:06 PM
It may be semantics, but I look at it like this:
Guilt:
a feeling of responsibility or remorse for some offense, crime, wrong, etc., whether real or imagined.
Shame:
the painful feeling arising from the consciousness of something dishonorable, improper, ridiculous, etc., done by oneself or another.
Shame is a loaded and toxic word. It too often drives a person to go within and hide from it. Guilt, when it dawns upon us, is often a motivator to change our actions or to repair the damage we have done, or both. I find that much more positive.
I am French and am looser in my interpretation of words than yourself and see the two terms as synonymous. In that, at least, the dictionary agrees.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Baruch on April 16, 2018, 09:57:17 PM
Mothers do "guilting" best ;-(
Indeed. It affects them more. Testosterone has it's negative effects and estrogen it's positive ones in this case.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Emancipated on April 17, 2018, 03:51:36 PM
What if, instead of shame or guilt, we teach children to *think*, and most certainly not in the religious sense. Children who are taught that they have already been condemned to hell, unless they do A, B and C, will be filled with self-induced, never ending guilt - over "nothing" that actually exists. This impedes one's ability to think clearly. Now, on top of that we add shaming and guilt, based on the teachings of a book written by cavemen, and we remove their incentive to address real-world problems, from an intellectual perspective.
Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible. Why? Sheer numbers. Over population is lending to the environmental problems we are facing. Mo peeps ~ mo probs. And every young married couple dreams of adding *their child* to this world, cutting down further on the available parking spaces.
With the *big companies* running our financial institutions, and greed at an all time high (and rising) ~ what do we have to offer the youngsters of today? We, the 99%ers, have the illusion of control over the big issues of the day. But, in fact - we have no control over the big changes required to hand our kids a better future. This future has been mapped out already by the 1% of the 1%. I'm not saying that it's hopeless, but as long as religion decides the fate of a nation, and brings about wars, and decisively breaks populations into constantly waring factions, while promoting shame and guilt, it must be (in time) viewed as a purely evil thought process that should no longer be taught as truth.
Well put, except for this.
"Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible."
You are not seeing the strides we have made in terms of solving or evolving to reduce many of our more negative conditions.
Most stats for evil are at the best level we have ever enjoyed and population numbers will level off soon because we are getting a handle on poverty and education world wide.
Some of those stats are shown near the end of this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLulcfyqrc0
Regards
DL
Quote from: Baruch on April 17, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
High intelligence over-heates the gonads with brain power, like a microwave oven ;-) So the smarter you are, the more infertile you are ;-(
I cannot agree on this one without seeing the stats.
I like to think my wife and I are smart, not well educated in terms of university etc., and we have 4 boys between us. 2 each.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 05, 2018, 10:35:49 AM
I cannot agree on this one without seeing the stats.
I like to think my wife and I are smart, not well educated in terms of university etc., and we have 4 boys between us. 2 each.
Regards
DL
Two each? You have given birth to two boys? Bonza!
Quote from: fencerider on April 18, 2018, 11:36:11 AM
O.P. I see the irony of your tag line contradicting your post.
I think that the technology to fix many of the problems we have has existed for a long time. They wont ever get solved as long as the decision makers are people that don’t know or don’t care.
Unbeliever: I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
I haven’t heard of this movement, but unless we start colonizing space every nation has a one-child policy in its future
Like Gods, we want strong leaders that are on our side, and we do not care enough to vote for caring people as they will force us to care more and do a better job of being human.
We want to share in the glory of the strong instead of working on doing our duty and taking honor in that.
Regards
DL
Quote from: pr126 on May 05, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Two each? You have given birth to two boys? Bonza!
I have no womb but my wives have.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Baruch on April 18, 2018, 01:24:25 PM
Dangerous machines have a dead-man brake. Nature does too. The all-die policy Usually we all die one at a time, but nature would care if it was all die at once.
Even nature, if sentient, would hate extinction level events.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Cavebear on April 19, 2018, 02:21:45 AM
I chose to not marry and have children. My genes do not have to spread. There are enough of us for complete diversity. Let there become fewer of us for our benefit and the benefit of the planet.
The planet can handle the numbers easily enough, if we care for it instead of continuing to abuse it.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 05, 2018, 10:41:29 AM
I have no womb but my wives have.
Regards
DL
I am sorry. Polygamy? Are you a Muslim? Then you can have four.
Good luck.
Quote from: pr126 on May 05, 2018, 10:55:11 AM
I am sorry. Polygamy? Are you a Muslim? Then you can have four.
Good luck.
Ever hear of divorce????
QuoteI have no womb but my wives have.
I assumed wives. He did not write wife and ex-wife.
And polygamy is now common everywhere.
Quote from: pr126 on May 05, 2018, 10:55:11 AM
I am sorry. Polygamy? Are you a Muslim? Then you can have four.
Good luck.
I had 2 and she had 2 from previous marriages.
Regards
DL
Quote from: pr126 on May 05, 2018, 11:12:13 AM
I assumed wives. He did not write wife and ex-wife.
And polygamy is now common everywhere.
Eh. No.
It is actually rather rare.
Men and women, generally, are not stupid enough to want more than one wife at a time in a home.
Regards
DL
Some Muslims in U.S. Quietly Engage in Polygamy (https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90857818)
QuoteNo one knows how many Muslims in the U.S. live in polygamous families. But according to academics researching the issue, estimates range from 50,000 to 100,000 people.
Men with more than one wife will get extra benefits under new rules (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3414264/Want-higher-benefits-marry-one-wife-New-welfare-rules-hand-extra-taxpayer-cash-polygamists.html)
QuoteThere no official figures but it is estimated that there may be as many as 20,000 polygamous marriages in the British Muslim community.
Quran 4:3
Sahih International. And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice]"those your right hand possesses" are sex slaves who were captured in battles.
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 05, 2018, 10:35:49 AM
I cannot agree on this one without seeing the stats.
I like to think my wife and I are smart, not well educated in terms of university etc., and we have 4 boys between us. 2 each.
Regards
DL
It was a joke. And not so funny for the intelligencia ... who are enemies of life (see France, Russia etc).
Quote from: pr126 on May 05, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Two each? You have given birth to two boys? Bonza!
No offense meant, but that is a bit obtuse, like saying only a mother is a parent. You should understand the partnership in the same way a woman says "We're pregnant".
Quote from: Baruch on May 05, 2018, 03:18:30 PM
It was a joke. And not so funny for the intelligencia ... who are enemies of life (see France, Russia etc).
My bad for not catching the joke. Perhaps I need to lighten up a bit.
If someone is an enemy of life, then I would not include them in the intelligentsia. They would be too stupid for that.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 07, 2018, 02:16:57 PM
My bad for not catching the joke. Perhaps I need to lighten up a bit.
If someone is an enemy of life, then I would not include them in the intelligentsia. They would be too stupid for that.
Regards
DL
Anglophones don't "get" French humor. You have a marked cultural difference, that I can sus, but not all here can. It all goes back to Gauls keeping trophy heads in jars to show to the guests ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 07, 2018, 05:49:58 PM
Anglophones don't "get" French humor. You have a marked cultural difference, that I can sus, but not all here can. It all goes back to Gauls keeping trophy heads in jars to show to the guests ;-)
Perhaps that is why I like head.
Ouch. That is not French.
I have to watch what I say of the Northern Europeans. I got my DNA done and it includes Vikings.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 07, 2018, 06:05:40 PM
Perhaps that is why I like head.
Ouch. That is not French.
I have to watch what I say of the Northern Europeans. I got my DNA done and it includes Vikings.
Regards
DL
I may pick on the French Revolution, but it is a convenient negative trope for Anglophones. Scarlet Pimpernel and all that.
My DNA is all NW European ... Hispania thru Franco-Germania to Scandinavia, and all over the British Isles (including Ireland). But the hametz is my Ashkenazi Jewish part. I can never be kosher from a Gentile POV.
Quote from: Baruch on May 07, 2018, 06:12:56 PM
I may pick on the French Revolution, but it is a convenient negative trope for Anglophones. Scarlet Pimpernel and all that.
My DNA is all NW European ... Hispania thru Franco-Germania to Scandinavia, and all over the British Isles (including Ireland). But the hametz is my Ashkenazi Jewish part. I can never be kosher from a Gentile POV.
I'm a Gentile and think you quite kosher buddy.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 08, 2018, 10:07:37 AM
I'm a Gentile and think you quite kosher buddy.
Regards
DL
I pay no attention to food restrictions via religious holidays, religious pronouncements, or orders from authorities except by actual health officials who look at contamination concerns.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 09, 2018, 05:48:49 AM
I pay no attention to food restrictions via religious holidays, religious pronouncements, or orders from authorities except by actual health officials who look at contamination concerns.
That is wise, given the bad greens from Yuma recently ;-(
Old Jewish kosher rules ... were the health department. Very advanced, 2000 years ahead of their time (and based on simple observation of correlation with sickness). Today we have eco-kosher, if you want good health advice. Eco-kosher would never have allowed the mad-cow mess. No bio-ethics ... then don't eat it.
I had a friend once who was jewish through his father (his mom was a christian John Bircher). Trust me, it was all weird!
After his father died, he tried to reconnnect to judaism. He would call me just before sunset Saturdays and remind me not to call or even leave a message on his answering machine until Sunday sunset. Which I always honored for friend's sake.
And 5 years later, he never recalled doing that ever! I'm pretty sure I wasn't making it up, since I never thought about not callin him routinely otherwise.
But he eliminated that from his mind utterly and completely after he went toward the christian side of his family. Denied it ever happened. Like I had a reason to invite such nonsense stuff?
But that's basically how I think of theists. Completely able to "forget" any inconvenient past thing.
Maybe since with theism, denial of facts given to them is an essential part of their beliefs, as in any scientific evidence needing to be ignored, it probably becomes natural to just ignore details from what they use to believe in place of something else, cognitive dissonance
(https://pics.me.me/cognitive-dissonance-this-is-why-people-get-upset-when-their-13674406.png)
I challenge your beliefs. Munch isn't gay, he is just deluded into thinking he is gay. Is that painful for you? (sarc).
People who go round challenging people, are going to get beaten up.
Quote from: Munch on May 09, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
Maybe since with theism, denial of facts given to them is an essential part of their beliefs, as in any scientific evidence needing to be ignored, it probably becomes natural to just ignore details from what they use to believe in place of something else, cognitive dissonance
(https://pics.me.me/cognitive-dissonance-this-is-why-people-get-upset-when-their-13674406.png)
The ability of theists to hold conflicting thoughts in their minds never ceases to amaze me. I've met some people of serious rational thought in the sciences who nevertheless also held some superstitious thoughts. Like understanding math, but also thinking they had a great lottery number combination...
But I have to make a difference between THAT kind of religious cognitive dissonance and the ability of a relatively sane person to be both annoyed and yet love a strange family member.
Quote from: Baruch on May 09, 2018, 11:12:58 PM
People who go round challenging people, are going to get beaten up.
Also wannabe intellectuals that go around lecturing down to everyone.
Quote from: Baruch on May 09, 2018, 11:12:58 PM
I challenge your beliefs. Munch isn't gay, he is just deluded into thinking he is gay. Is that painful for you? (sarc).
People who go round challenging people, are going to get beaten up.
oh my beliefs have changed over the years, gone from a semi believer, to agnostic, to athiest. And my political belief has gone from semi conservative, to leftist, to now more centrist. Beliefs change, but the natural desire to blow a guy off in the showers remains part of you always.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 17, 2018, 02:29:28 AM
But I have to make a difference between THAT kind of religious cognitive dissonance and the ability of a relatively sane person to be both annoyed and yet love a strange family member.
Well, in that case its just about holding your breath and trying to ignore what their saying, which is ironically what they are doing themselves if questioned, but the difference is we're not approaching them on what they think or feel, much like how someone who's against gay marriage or just someone being gay in general, bottles up the fact they are because its a friend or family member, and they'd sooner push their prejudice back for the sake of not creating an awkward situation.
Quote from: SGOS on May 17, 2018, 08:40:27 AM
Also wannabe intellectuals that go around lecturing down to everyone.
Oh ... atheists?
Quote from: Baruch on May 17, 2018, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: SGOS on Today at 05:40:27 AM
Also wannabe intellectuals that go around lecturing down to everyone.
Oh ... atheists?
Do you know any atheists "that go around lecturing down to everyone"? If we, here, do any lecturing at all it's only because people come here to elicit our opinions about their nonsensical delusions.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 17, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
Do you know any atheists "that go around lecturing down to everyone"? If we, here, do any lecturing at all it's only because people come here to elicit our opinions about their nonsensical delusions.
Well, with few exceptions, the average person isn't well read or educated. So no intellectuals there on average. Yes, the atheists here (or any other grouping on any other issue) are constantly talking down ... because they are self selected as Brites or Illuminati. Too bad they can't pay their electric bill ;-)
It isn't about IQ, it is about ego and cluelessness. But monkeys ...
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 17, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
Do you know any atheists "that go around lecturing down to everyone"? If we, here, do any lecturing at all it's only because people come here to elicit our opinions about their nonsensical delusions.
I agree completely. *I* don't go to theistic sites and annoy them with logical arguments. But THEY feel free to come HERE are lecture us about morality and their own particular (among many conflicting ones) theisms.
I will say that in general discussion sites where religion is brought up as a subject by others (as they feel compelled to try to spread their superstitions), I sometimes point out that some people have no theism and are quite ethical and good citizens. That possibility actually seems to drive them nuts.
So I just let them rant for a while to let other posters see how crazy they are...
Quote from: Munch on May 09, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
Maybe since with theism, denial of facts given to them is an essential part of their beliefs, as in any scientific evidence needing to be ignored, it probably becomes natural to just ignore details from what they use to believe in place of something else, cognitive dissonance
(https://pics.me.me/cognitive-dissonance-this-is-why-people-get-upset-when-their-13674406.png)
Cognitive dissonance I can ignore but moral dissonance should not be, given the damage religions continue to do to society.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Munch on May 09, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
Maybe since with theism, denial of facts given to them is an essential part of their beliefs, as in any scientific evidence needing to be ignored, it probably becomes natural to just ignore details from what they use to believe in place of something else, cognitive dissonance
(https://pics.me.me/cognitive-dissonance-this-is-why-people-get-upset-when-their-13674406.png)
Cognitive dissonance I can ignore but moral dissonance should not be, given the damage religions continue to do to society.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Cavebear on May 19, 2018, 01:47:01 AM
*I* don't go to theistic sites and annoy them with logical arguments.
Then you are not living by the Golden Rule. A shame that.
For evil to grow and all that.
Regards
DL
Quote from: Greatest I am on May 19, 2018, 07:08:04 AM
Then you are not living by the Golden Rule. A shame that.
For evil to grow and all that.
Regards
DL
Geeks think everything is cognitive ... they have no emotion chip (see Commander Data).
Warning, serial-posting is not a good sign! Unless it is me of course. Then it must make sense...