https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/world/europe/hungary-election-orban-fidesz.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/world/europe/hungary-election-orban-fidesz.html)
Some other fun facts about this party...
- Extremely anti-immigrant, and do not allow the media to go anywhere near the barbed-wired fences they are establishing around the country to keep people out.
- Have been criticized by Human Rights Watch and other humanitarian organizations for their actions.
- Are being criticized for their use of political resources and power to silence opposition.
- Are being praised by Gert Wilders, La Pen, the head of the German far-right movement and others for their achievement (which in itself is a "guilty by association" statement of how terrible of human beings these people are).
- Is extremely anti-EU and nationalistic, and one of their key platforms was, "Opposing anything George Soros".
My heart goes out to the Hungarian people, but I have to admit there is some dark comedic irony here that the very boogieman people like pr created is now being used to drag his country back into the regressive, nationalistic, oppressive dark age that forced his family to flee in the first place.
It's funny; it's almost like lying and playing with fire for your own fearmongering can come back to burn you when the winds turn.
You reap what you sow. There is is a reason I have called this shit exactly what it is for years now, and time is proving me right. Hateful men and hateful ideologies do not have happy endings.
I sure hope the whole damned world isn't about to swing to the far right.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 10, 2018, 06:11:31 PM
I sure hope the whole damned world isn't about to swing to the far right.
Try to beam the gay-ray against all the straight folks, and they will retaliate ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on April 10, 2018, 06:05:46 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/world/europe/hungary-election-orban-fidesz.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/world/europe/hungary-election-orban-fidesz.html)
Some other fun facts about this party...
- Deny the validity of the Holocaust.
- Extremely anti-immigrant, and do not allow the media to go anywhere near the barbed-wired fences they are establishing around the country to keep people out.
- Have been criticized by Human Rights Watch and other humanitarian organizations for their actions.
- Are being criticized for their use of political resources and power to silence opposition.
- Are being praised by Gert Wilders, La Pen, the head of the German far-right movement and others for their achievement (which in itself is a "guilty by association" statement of how terrible of human beings these people are).
- Is extremely anti-EU and nationalistic, and one of their key platforms was, "Opposing anything George Soros".
My heart goes out to the Hungarian people, but I have to admit there is some dark comedic irony here that the very boogieman people like pr created is now being used to drag his country back into the regressive, nationalistic, oppressive & anti-semitic dark age that forced his family to flee in the first place.
It's funny; it's almost like lying and playing with fire for your own fearmongering can come back to burn you when the winds turn.
You reap what you sow. There is is a reason I have called this shit exactly what it is for years now, and time is proving me right. Hateful men and hateful ideologies do not have happy endings.
This is no surprise. The Hungarians were allies of the Nazis in WW II (as was Slovakia and several other C European countries). Get a map, Sweden isn't the whole of Europe. Putin doesn't care for Jews or gays either. Poland won't take dictation from the EU, if it is just a Germany-first club (it is). Why then would France participate? They are masochists for German attentions ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on April 10, 2018, 06:05:46 PM
Some other fun facts about this party...
- Extremely anti-immigrant, and do not allow the media to go anywhere near the barbed-wired fences they are establishing around the country to keep people out.
Dumb shits. Only a wall will keep out immigrants, and it has to be at least 7 feet high... No wait, that's for deer in the garden.
Quote from: SGOS on April 11, 2018, 06:59:12 AM
Dumb shits. Only a wall will keep out immigrants, and it has to be at least 7 feet high... No wait, that's for deer in the garden.
No, you catch and deport, not release. This provides lots of jobs for citizens. The alternative is genocide of one side or the other. This is the European reality, not the American fantasy.
The four countries (The Visegrad Four) are Poland, Hungary, Chech Republic, And Slovakia.
They have committed the unspeakable sin in the eyes of the globalist (EU in particular) not allowing unlimited Muslim migrants into their countries.
Consequently, they have depicted as Nazis, Xenophobes and every derogatory epithet under the Sun.
Spreading leftist lies about them 24/7 for not complying with the EU rules.
Not playing the game. They are hated for that.
This is what happens when your "reliable" sources are one-sided.
Edit: The reason these countries behaving like this is that they were invaded and ruled by foreign states (Ottomans, Habsburgs, Nazis, Soviets) and they know when an invasion is happening.
They want no more of that if it can be helped.
There is a Jobbik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik) far-right Party, but it is not the Party of Victor Orban which won the election.
Confusing the readers for the "common good" by the bias media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VimtQU_we74
Balkans and E Europeans have been fighting Muslims a long time. They won't be surrendering like France.
Maybe Soros needs to bribe more European politicians?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1irDX3e04
Why are the EU elites not complaining about China being too Chinese? Japan too Japanese? Korea too Korean?
But Europe must not stay European and white?
Is this not racism and ethnic cleansing?
New World Order in the making.
Where white people are not welcome. (They are difficult to control.)
Quote from: pr126 on April 12, 2018, 12:05:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1irDX3e04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1irDX3e04)
Why are the EU elites not complaining about China being too Chinese? Japan too Japanese? Korea too Korean?
But Europe must not stay European and white?
Is this not racism and ethnic cleansing?
Check. Your. Fucking. Sources. Before. Sharing.So, when you google that story, the only articles sharing that information are Brietbart, Infowars (Alex Jones) and Gates of Vienna.
Mind you, Gates of Vienna is the website that has repeatedly been exposed here for publishing articles that aren't just misrepresentations of reality but are legitimate lies (for example, the government lead library burnings in the name of Islam in Germany that never happened).
Alex "They Put Chemicals in the Water to Turn the Friggin' Frogs Gay!" Jones is hardly something of a credible source either.
The closest to an actual news site that reports this story is RussiaToday, and they claim that this is the remarks of the mayor, Cser-Palkovic, and not a response from the EU itself. However I am struggling to find any legitimate sources of the mayor saying this either... rather the remarks seem to originate from a Hungarian tabloid article that credited to the mayor. When the articles you posted came out, the EU had made no official statement on why the city didn't win. This is not news, this is at best a Mayor being salty that his city didn't win... at worst it is literally tabloid garbage that got taken seriously to people who couldn't spend a minute or two researching what actually happened.
That video, that thankfully has been watched only 4,000 times, is literally someone making a video on the Hungarian equivalent of, "Did Elvis Presley have a Secret Lover who Poisoned him on the Toilet!!! IS OPRAH AN ALIEN!!!" that you would see at your local grocery store and passing it off as real news. But people are too fucking lazy to spend a minute fact checking it and take it as reality, and justify xenophobia, bigotry and hatred because of it.
This isn't "fake news", liberal bias, marxist indoctrination, whatever... this is reality. You have got to spend at least a minute asking yourself, "Does this seem real?" and if the question is, "Maybe..." then fucking research it for at least a minute or two before sharing it. When it takes me literally a minute and a half to discover there is no credible sources, and the only ones that have even a shred of credibility say something different than what you are saying... I'm sorry, but just no. You cant blame anyone other than yourself when you turn out to be wrong.
You are sharing hateful and fear-mongering information without even looking if it's true. There is just no need for that type of toxicity in the world. Your homeland is literally being governed now by politicians who deny the Holocaust and want to divide Europe even further, who won for exactly that reason... they spread hate and fear and no one stopped to see if what they were saying is even true. Surely you more than most should know the danger of that.
Shit, the strongest (or second strongest) country in the world is now run by a buffoon for the exact same reason.
Those Hungarians were considered invaders from the North, 1200 years ago (they are related to the Finns). Guess the Germans are still pissed about it ;-)
Those people look fine enough to me. And yes, if RT aka Russia really wants to be multi-ethnic, then let them accept all those migrants into their country, and free the rest of Europe from them ;-))
If Belgian atheists don't like it, the let Belgium take all the immigrants.
QuoteThere is a Jobbik far-right Party, but it is not the Party of Victor Orban which won the election.
Confusing the readers for the "common good" by the bias media.
Shit, you're right. The issue was that even they are to the left of him politically, and that leftists were voting for them just because they aren't as far-right and authoritarian as he was.
That's not media bias, that was me fucking up. I'll fix that now.
QuoteThose Hungarians were considered invaders from the North, 1200 years ago (they are related to the Finns).
Wrong. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY)
QuoteAbstract: "Hungarians are unique among the other European populations because according to history, the ancient Magyars had come from the eastern side of the Ural Mountains and settled down in the Carpathian basin in the 9th century AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_prehistory
FYI I was born in Hungary.
"which started with the separation of the Hungarian language from other Finno-Ugric or Ugric languages around 800 BC, and ended with the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin around 895 AD." ... from Wiki you linked to.
You are British now, so hush ...
Not that there is anything wrong with being Hungarian, or Finnish ... or Jewish. But you Europeans have very long and contentious memories, and a variety of chauvinism that we don't have in America.
Perhaps we need to return Hungary to the Pannonians? They were related to the Illyrians aka Yugoslavs.
Ah Shiranu, accuses PR of spreading misinformation from unreliable and bias sources, starts the whole thread using nytimes as a source :-)
The migrant crisis could cost the German taxpayer 1,000,000,000,000 euros (https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/04/the-migrant-crisis-could-cost-the-german-taxpayer-1000000000000-euros/)
QuoteIn his autobiography, “In search of the truthâ€, famous German economist Hans-Werner Sinn says the migrant crisis could cost the country almost one trillion euros, Focus reports. Sinn is a former advisor of Angela Merkel and retired president of the IFO Institute for Economic Research.
Germany accepted 1.5 million migrants since 2015 and Sinn says they are not dentists, lawyers and nuclear scientists, but mostly underqualified immigrants. According to him, these people can never repay what they have received from the German welfare state during their lifetimes.
While German states spent more than â,¬20bn on refugees in 2016, it’s easy to see why Sinn’s one trillion euros estimate is a serious possibility, when looking at lifetime support for migrants. At the same time family reunifications and higher security costs are not (yet) part of the budget.
From an economic point of view, economic refugees can and must be refused, which does not mean that immigration is no longer possible, but that only those people who the EU wants to become citizens are welcome, Sinn writes in his book.
Responsible ethics are those who judge an action only according to its consequences, regardless of the means necessary to enforce it. Applied to the migrant crisis, on the long term it would be better to bring people back to their homeland, but many politicians shy away from that, Sinn concludes.
Why is this called a crisis?
It was long time planned and executed with malice aforethought by the EU oligarchs who were perfectly aware of the irrepearable harm this will cause to Europe.
The Kalergi plan (http://silentcircle.co.uk/the-pan-european-project-coudenhove-kalergis-plan-to-destroy-the-european-people/)
QuoteThe Coudenhove-Kalergi plan â€" The genocide of the Peoples of Europe
The huge spate of organised illegal migrant trafficking and forced mass Immigration into Europe has put a huge spotlight back on to 1920s / 30s socialism. The refugee influx is creating chaos throughout much of Europe, especially in Germany and Sweden. A constant flood of boats arriving from Turkey and Africa has revealed a structured network of pre-planned routes into Europe, with the eventual goal of overwhelming Europeans and destroying their homelands. European Nations and their populations have already been dramatically transformed by decades of mass Third World immigration and the relentless promotion of â€diversity†and multiculturalism by the mainstream media, the political elite, academia and their â€progressive†agenda.
This is no coincidence. It was all planned and laid out 100 years ago in the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan. Coudenhove-Kalergi planned for the systematic genocide of the native peoples of Europe. He is regarded as the founding father of the EU.
Mass immigration is a phenomenon, the causes of which are still cleverly concealed by the system, and the multicultural propaganda is trying to falsely portray it as inevitable. With this article we intend to prove once and for all, that this is not a spontaneous phenomenon. What they want to present as an inevitable outcome of modern life, is actually a plan conceived around a table and prepared for decades, to completely destroy the face of the continent.
Kalergi in his own words:
Quote“The (European) man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space (nations), time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individualsâ€
One thing I didn't understand about the European Union is that it seems to include a forced compliance to a collective ideology, and an ideology that has yet to be fleshed out and finalized. I thought it was an economic agreement more than anything else. It seems like it over emphasizes giving up sovereign identity and autonomous control, especially when countries deemed non-compliant are not posing a threat to anyone else. Is this an incorrect observation? I'm just trying to understand the structure of the EU better.
The Kalergi plan is a conspiracy theory ... like Esperanto. Someone might as well quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And lets not forget the Bavarian Illuminati (the real one was George Washington). My favorite is the Russian conspiracy theory that the Soviet Union deliberately imploded, to go under the radar, to expand thru all the colleges in the West ... bwahah. Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade and Count Leopold von Sacher-Masoch ... yes, those nobles have too much time on their hands, and their hands on too many women ... or women on them. Or pedophilia ;-( On the other hand ... George Soros is a proponent of Esperanto ... so you might want to look out for any Esperantists lurking in the shadows. Even the Soviet Union was afraid of Esperanto.
Just one thing on the EU ... Americans should not compare it to the US. The EU is not ... the United States of Europe, never will be. At best it will be a totally FU version of Canada. W Europe had its chance for a single language, Church Latin.
QuoteI thought it was an economic agreement more than anything else.
I've always understood it as a, "Wow, those world wars sucked. Let's work together to try to behave like one collective rather than a bunch of individuals so that bullshit doesn't happen again.".
Like the UN, but actually successful.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2018, 07:09:24 AM
I've always understood it as a, "Wow, those world wars sucked. Let's work together to try to behave like one collective rather than a bunch of individuals so that bullshit doesn't happen again.".
Like the UN, but actually successful.
I think all unions start out with the intention of being successful. Everything just ends up going down hill after that.
@ Baruch:
Whether the Kalergi Plan is a conspiracy theory or not, the end result will be the same.
Europe will be flushed down the pan, either by civil war, world war III or population replacement.
Or an economic collapse under the weight of the mass migration.
The mass migration will not stop.
The governments have no intention to stop it. No matter what the cost or the civil unrest.
If you think it is happening to other people far away, well, those people who are scuttling Europe now have plans for you too.
Canada and the USA better watch your backs.
Remember, this is the New World Order in the making. That includes you.
Quote from: Munch on April 12, 2018, 05:57:12 AM
Ah Shiranu, accuses PR of spreading misinformation from unreliable and bias sources, starts the whole thread using nytimes as a source :-)
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I already know all about Hungary and so don't give a fuck about the OP's propaganda.
Good for Hungary. Securing a future for themselves and their superior culture, rather than let mudslimes destroy all progress.
Quote from: Baruch on April 12, 2018, 07:06:14 AM
The Kalergi plan is a conspiracy theory ... like Esperanto. Someone might as well quote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And lets not forget the Bavarian Illuminati (the real one was George Washington). My favorite is the Russian conspiracy theory that the Soviet Union deliberately imploded, to go under the radar, to expand thru all the colleges in the West ... bwahah. Donatien Alphonse François, Marquis de Sade and Count Leopold von Sacher-Masoch ... yes, those nobles have too much time on their hands, and their hands on too many women ... or women on them. Or pedophilia ;-( On the other hand ... George Soros is a proponent of Esperanto ... so you might want to look out for any Esperantists lurking in the shadows. Even the Soviet Union was afraid of Esperanto.
Just one thing on the EU ... Americans should not compare it to the US. The EU is not ... the United States of Europe, never will be. At best it will be a totally FU version of Canada. W Europe had its chance for a single language, Church Latin.
For those who don't know about the Kalergi Plan like I didn't, I found this interesting read, I'm a bit skeptical about it, but it's an interesting theory. I'm not vouching for it, but here it is:
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/
The mainstream media is bought and paid for. They are serving their masters, not the public.
If you want the real story you have to find it yourself from independent sources. If you dare.
Many don't.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2018, 07:09:24 AM
I've always understood it as a, "Wow, those world wars sucked. Let's work together to try to behave like one collective rather than a bunch of individuals so that bullshit doesn't happen again.".
Like the UN, but actually successful.
That was the propaganda. Originally the UN would just do whatever the Security Council told it to do. The Security Council being made up of the victorious allies from WW II ... and the Soviets had to stay "on side" and not make their own waves. Well that all went to hell by 1948. The UN was good for 4 whole years.
So no, we aren't some genuine collective, the UN was to be the executive board for Anglo-American-European neocolonialism. The Soviets and Chinese would be too busy cleaning up the mess that the Axis created (most destruction and casualties were in the Soviet Union an in China). And the then current colonies, being in the process of being granted pseudo-autonomy (kept under local elites educated back in the home colonizer), were supposed to stay on-side also. But India (supposed to be a Commonwealth country like Canada) broke free, as did Vietnam etc. They had no intention of being puppets. Essentially that is what Germany tried to do with the EU ... make a neocolonial project out of the rest of Europe.
Quote from: SGOS on April 12, 2018, 07:42:03 AM
I think all unions start out with the intention of being successful. Everything just ends up going down hill after that.
We don't all define success the same way. GB and India certainly had different ideas. And the idea that malice doesn't exist, is naive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345aojByoGk
Quote from: pr126 on April 12, 2018, 08:56:54 AM
@ Baruch:
Whether the Kalergi Plan is a conspiracy theory or not, the end result will be the same.
Europe will be flushed down the pan, either by civil war, world war III or population replacement.
Or an economic collapse under the weight of the mass migration.
The mass migration will not stop.
The governments have no intention to stop it. No matter what the cost or the civil unrest.
If you think it is happening to other people far away, well, those people who are scuttling Europe now have plans for you too.
Canada and the USA better watch your backs.
Remember, this is the New World Order in the making. That includes you.
The best laid plans of mice and men, often cause us to drink a wee dram ;-)
Yes, the US wants to enslave everyone. So does Russia etc. Get over it already. If you can't defend yourselves from the monkey hordes (all of us) ... then kiss your ass goodbye. Or to quote Thucydides ...
-----
The secret to happiness is freedom... And the secret to freedom is courage.
History is Philosophy teaching by examples.
The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.
Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war.
We secure our friends not by accepting favors but by doing them.
Ignorance is bold and knowledge reserved.
Wars spring from unseen and generally insignificant causes, the first outbreak being often but an explosion of anger.
It is frequently a misfortune to have very brilliant men in charge of affairs. They expect too much of ordinary men.
Men naturally despise those who court them, but respect those who do not give way to them.
Most importantly ....
The strong do what they have to do and the weak accept what they have to accept.
-----
It isn't that people don't remember the lessons of history, they don't listen to the lessons of the historians.
NY Times is consistently ranked as moderate with a liberal lean. You think that is unreliable but will trust randos with no sources on YouTube or Brietbart, who even Fox distance themselves from. And then you want to act like you aren't partisan and act high and mighty.
Get out of here with that weak shit.
Didn't realise ignore didn't cover quotes. Oh well...
"the paper i linked is always right, always always, my daddy was also always right always always unlike yours, and my religion is the only right one always always!"
Technically, one should prove oneself Jewish, before believing any NYC paper ;-) NYC is more Jewish than Tel Aviv.
It is hard to argue that a newspaper that has won 122 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other newspaper, is inherently biased. Well, you CAN, but you won't get much respect by doing it.
Basically, if you want to argue the The NY Times and The Washington Post with their history of breaking actual news supported by facts are "fake news", you have a real problem. The world is NOT as Fox News describes it. The world is not as Rupert Murdoch WANTS it to be. Facts are real and arguing they are not does not (just because you don't like them) change the actual facts.
Sorry, we don't need no stinkin' journalism. I can find it lot of places, and sometimes a link will take me to a web site of a legacy media. Sometimes a buggy whip is useful.
And relying on an authority, is simply not something I care to do.
I'm perfectly capable of making up my own news, thank you.
Quote from: SGOS on April 13, 2018, 06:51:17 AM
I'm perfectly capable of making up my own news, thank you.
Some E Coast folks think you aren't cool unless you read certain newspapers or magazines. And I have read some great articles in The New Yorker ... magazine article writers have the time to put something to paper ... daily newspapers, not so much.
You could say he sky is blue and those two will still fight about it.
Yeah, Baruch would want to know why the sky is so sad...
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 13, 2018, 01:37:49 PM
Yeah, Baruch would want to know why the sky is so sad...
Obvious ... it's blue!
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 13, 2018, 01:37:49 PM
Yeah, Baruch would want to know why the sky is so sad...
Actually Baruch would argue that the sky was NOT blue and then question your religious morals for thinking it was not, based on SOME biblical statement saying it was... Or wasn't according to old languages.
Quote from: Cavebear on April 15, 2018, 03:02:19 AM
Actually Baruch would argue that the sky was NOT blue and then question your religious morals for thinking it was not, based on SOME biblical statement saying it was... Or wasn't according to old languages.
It actually isn't ... it s an optical illusion created by wavelength differential scattering of light in an otherwise transparent sky. And all colors are just stuff happening in your retina ... wavelength is real, color is not (the qualia problem).
Quote from: Baruch on April 15, 2018, 09:11:20 AM
It actually isn't ... it s an optical illusion created by wavelength differential scattering of light in an otherwise transparent sky. And all colors are just stuff happening in your retina ... wavelength is real, color is not (the qualia problem).
I hate it when people tell me I must read one of your posts. But no. The blue sky is a combination of light hitting a mostly nitrogen atmosphere AND a reflection of water.
Quote from: Cavebear on April 19, 2018, 02:29:50 AM
I hate it when people tell me I must read one of your posts. But no. The blue sky is a combination of light hitting a mostly nitrogen atmosphere AND a reflection of water.
Maybe, I got my quote off the Internet, where you got yours too.
I think the point is that Eastern Europe nations in the EU are beginning to reject the Western Europe democratic views in favor of authoritarian governments AGAIN. I don't know why. Perhaps ancient hatreds are pulling at them again, perhaps there isn't a bottom-up democracy demand, perhaps they feel unable to compete and the Western European nations haven't helped them enough.
Europe as always been a (dare I say "cess-pool") continent of angry peoples fearing their neighbors. Has there been much peace there without dictor or economic control? I studied European history. The only time there is peace there is when some nation or other has gotten an advantage that gave them control.
I had great hopes for the Common Market and the EEU later. I think they over-reached and let nations in that weren't ready for it.
Quote from: Baruch on April 10, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
Try to beam the gay-ray against all the straight folks, and they will retaliate ;-)
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Quote from: Jason78 on April 24, 2018, 02:08:55 AM
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Baruch is just trying to get some attention...
Quote from: Jason78 on April 24, 2018, 02:08:55 AM
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Don't eat the soy!
Homophobia isn't going away. It isn't an ideology, it is a medical condition, like any other phobia. Fortunately I don't have that phobia, but I have others ...
Quote from: Cavebear on April 24, 2018, 02:39:01 AM
Baruch is just trying to get some attention...
Don't worry, Gilgamesh reads all your posts too ...
I am wondering when the next concentration camps will start popping up in Hungary and Poland. It's been a while since the Catholics showed us the magic of their god.
On the bright side, pr126 can come in 80 years and tell us how the fascists of today were leftist.
Quote from: Sylar on April 25, 2018, 02:38:26 AM
I am wondering when the next concentration camps will start popping up in Hungary and Poland. It's been a while since the Catholics showed us the magic of their god.
On the bright side, pr126 can come in 80 years and tell us how the fascists of today were leftist.
If they don't accept immigrants, then they won't need any FEMA camps. It is the US that needs FEMA camps ;-(
Quote from: Sylar on April 25, 2018, 02:38:26 AM
I am wondering when the next concentration camps will start popping up in Hungary and Poland. It's been a while since the Catholics showed us the magic of their god.
On the bright side, pr126 can come in 80 years and tell us how the fascists of today were leftist.
NATO got greedy after the Soviet Union collapsed and took in any nation that wanted to join. They erred by not considering the history and culture of those nations. No Eastern European nation is a true democracy and NATO may have to face the impossible decision of kicking them out.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 01, 2018, 11:03:11 PM
NATO got greedy after the Soviet Union collapsed and took in any nation that wanted to join. They erred by not considering the history and culture of those nations. No Eastern European nation is a true democracy and NATO may have to face the impossible decision of kicking them out.
I am not certain W European nations are democracies. Last time I checked, Britain was a monarchy.