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Title: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 04, 2018, 03:37:24 PM
Did the pope really say no hell exists, but that bad, unrepentant souls just disappear?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hhZFhNDNao
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2018, 03:48:57 PM
I thought they called that "limbo".  Doesn't sound too bad, being on a Caribbean island, partying.  And I will be happy to let someone more flexible than myself, win at "limbo".
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Sal1981 on April 04, 2018, 05:00:27 PM
Without the whip, only the carrot-on-a-stick remains.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 04, 2018, 05:13:37 PM
And this whole "hell means separation from God" stuff, that many Christians like to claim, is not biblically correct, since Psalm 139:7-8 says:


Quote
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

So, according to that there can never be separation from God.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Munch on April 04, 2018, 05:26:08 PM
A nihilistic pope. Well that's some green eggs and ham right there.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2018, 09:22:52 PM
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A nihilistic pope. Well that's some green eggs and ham right there.

Who did or didn't cooperate with the Argentine junta.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Blackleaf on April 04, 2018, 11:11:32 PM
This Pope sure is putting the Catholics in a weird place. He's supposed to the number one source. The man who speaks for God. Yet he's contradicting doctrine that has been taken for granted for thousands of years. Now we just need a Pope who says that God might not exist.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on April 05, 2018, 12:20:03 AM
As "only Nixon could go to China", "only the Pope can ignore hell".  Well pope-ficially, LOL.  *I* haven't worried about hell ever that I can recall.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2018, 12:21:27 AM
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As "only Nixon could go to China", "only the Pope can ignore hell".  Well pope-ficially, LOL.  *I* haven't worried about hell ever that I can recall.

I don't either, though hell on Earth is something I would worry about ... if I worried.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: fencerider on April 07, 2018, 04:34:37 PM
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This Pope sure is putting the Catholics in a weird place.
thats a Donald Trump move right there. Let’s see who makes the most dumb moves Trump with the US or the Pope with the Catholic church
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2018, 04:38:33 PM
Is there a way they can fire the Pope if they get really pissed at him? I wonder if the previous Pope was actually forced to resign for some real or imagined transgression?
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: fencerider on April 07, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
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A nihilistic pope. Well that's some green eggs and ham right there.
maybe the old man is a little daft in the head.

I havent yet had the opportunity to be eating green eggs and ham. Of course I would avoid it if I did (asian food- 100 year old eggs or 1,000 year old eggs, one of them is green). The way that green eggs are made is as eccentric as a Pope that says its ok to be gay and that hell doesnt exist.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: fencerider on April 07, 2018, 04:46:32 PM
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Is there a way they can fire the Pope if they get really pissed at him? I wonder if the previous Pope was actually forced to resign for some real or imagined transgression?

http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2013/01/31/pope-removed-from-office/

here is a long winded explanation
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2018, 05:09:59 PM
That was pretty interesting! So, if a Pope can prove he's crazy he gets to stay in the office no matter what. Sure, that makes sense...
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2018, 05:37:24 PM
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Is there a way they can fire the Pope if they get really pissed at him? I wonder if the previous Pope was actually forced to resign for some real or imagined transgression?

The Vatican is like Las Vegas ... what happens in the Vatican, stays in the Vatican ;-)
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2018, 05:59:59 PM
Would that were so! Unfortunately, they export a lot of crazy.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2018, 06:25:39 PM
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Would that were so! Unfortunately, they export a lot of crazy.

So does Las Vegas ... unfortunately for the Vatican, they are too uptight to be as fun to visit.  But both places are happy to take your money ;-)
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2018, 06:34:46 PM
Of course, since money is God.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2018, 06:41:27 PM
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Of course, since money is God.

Particularly to those who don't have any.  To a fish, water is nothing special.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2018, 06:43:04 PM
If God is money - I'm still an atheist.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on April 07, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
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Is there a way they can fire the Pope if they get really pissed at him? I wonder if the previous Pope was actually forced to resign for some real or imagined transgression?

I think poisoned wine was the historical cure, but enough regular wine and a bag over the head would have been pretty undetectable in older times.  Today, an air bubble in a hypodermic might be easiest.  Who dissects a Pope, LOL?
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2018, 02:40:30 AM
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I think poisoned wine was the historical cure, but enough regular wine and a bag over the head would have been pretty undetectable in older times.  Today, an air bubble in a hypodermic might be easiest.  Who dissects a Pope, LOL?

Don't laugh, people think that John Paul I was assassinated over the Vatican banking crisis.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on April 08, 2018, 01:11:42 PM
God will get you heathens and will make you sorry you did not kiss the Popes ring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_tlu6wWmPE

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on April 13, 2018, 04:15:39 AM
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God will get you heathens and will make you sorry you did not kiss the Popes ring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_tlu6wWmPE

Regards
DL

Ah the truth starts to come out...  It is inevitable with the fanatic religious types.  You push the right button, and they come clean eventually.  LOL!
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Unbeliever on April 13, 2018, 02:29:36 PM
I'd be wondering just where those fingers have been...
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on April 15, 2018, 03:38:39 AM
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I'd be wondering just where those fingers have been...

Only the fingers really know.  Assuming fingers actually "know" anything, of course.  And I hope they don't.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on April 15, 2018, 09:08:28 AM
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Only the fingers really know.  Assuming fingers actually "know" anything, of course.  And I hope they don't.

Yeah, it takes a whole hand to be animate ...
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on April 16, 2018, 04:13:07 PM
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I'd be wondering just where those fingers have been...

This is catholic clergy we are talking about.

The more foul a place the better.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on April 16, 2018, 04:14:27 PM
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Only the fingers really know.  Assuming fingers actually "know" anything, of course.  And I hope they don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHRDfut2Vx0

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on April 16, 2018, 04:18:33 PM
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Yeah, it takes a whole hand to be animate ...

It is hard to say what aliens have in their hands.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9sJVJMiYM

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on April 19, 2018, 04:38:18 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHRDfut2Vx0

Regards
DL

Well, you probably never REALLY want to know where fingers have been when you REALLY weren't thinking about them deliberately/specifically.  I once read a description of 18th century catholic orphanages where children were reuired to sleep with their hands above the blankets lest hands do something that would surely send the (sleeping, of course) owners to hell...

The nuns would stalk through the community bedrooms and whap any child whose arms and hands were NOT above the blankets.

Yeah THAT will get you a good night's sleep!  LOL!
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on May 05, 2018, 10:17:06 AM
The tyranny of the master to the slave is something I felt when young.

It likely helped me see straight in terms of religion. The reverse of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on May 05, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
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The tyranny of the master to the slave is something I felt when young.

It likely helped me see straight in terms of religion. The reverse of the Stockholm Syndrome.

Regards
DL

It is hard to say what is more insidious ... ideology or theology ;-(
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on May 05, 2018, 03:08:53 PM
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It is hard to say what is more insidious ... ideology or theology ;-(

I think theology is more insidious than a human based ideology.

In a theology, I cannot argue God out of a poor law.
In a human based ideology, I can argue with humans and initiate changes to antiquated laws.

That is part of why I chose Gnostic Christianity. It is a human based ideology and we put God below us where God belongs, given that all Gods are man made.

Regards
DL

Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Baruch on May 05, 2018, 03:15:51 PM
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I think theology is more insidious than a human based ideology.

In a theology, I cannot argue God out of a poor law.
In a human based ideology, I can argue with humans and initiate changes to antiquated laws.

That is part of why I chose Gnostic Christianity. It is a human based ideology and we put God below us where God belongs, given that all Gods are man made.

Regards
DL

Man wasn't made for the Sabbath, the Sabbath was made for man.
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on May 05, 2018, 10:53:05 PM
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I think theology is more insidious than a human based ideology.

In a theology, I cannot argue God out of a poor law.
In a human based ideology, I can argue with humans and initiate changes to antiquated laws.

That is part of why I chose Gnostic Christianity. It is a human based ideology and we put God below us where God belongs, given that all Gods are man made.

Regards
DL


Take the next logical step and dismiss theism entirely...
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on May 07, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
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Man wasn't made for the Sabbath, the Sabbath was made for man.

Exactly, and I extrapolate what Jesus meant when he said that is that he would also say the same about our invention of Gods and religions.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on May 07, 2018, 02:11:50 PM
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Take the next logical step and dismiss theism entirely...

I have. That is why I name my God as I am.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.


The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

Regards
DL


Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on May 09, 2018, 06:57:36 AM
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The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

And you should.  There was nothing in your post that was actually fact-based.  Just a vague suggestion of a claim.  Interestingly, not even an actual claim...
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on May 09, 2018, 08:45:59 AM
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And you should.  There was nothing in your post that was actually fact-based.  Just a vague suggestion of a claim.  Interestingly, not even an actual claim...

It was indeed a claim concerning what we see as or call God.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on May 09, 2018, 09:05:08 AM
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It was indeed a claim concerning what we see as or call God.

Regards
DL

And a claim is all it is.  An unsupported one. Do you have any SUPPORTED claim?
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on May 09, 2018, 09:15:35 AM
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And a claim is all it is.  An unsupported one. Do you have any SUPPORTED claim?

I do not follow the full thinking shown here but it does show the use of I am.

"Now, allow me, a wretched servant of the Lord, a miserable sinner, to affirm the majesty of my luminous “I Am,” before whom I kneel, since before him I feel that I am miserable, poor in virtue, and very bountiful in sin."

https://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/the-major-mysteries/3634-the-gnostic-movement.html

If you want more, do your own research.

Regards
DL

Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on May 09, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
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I do not follow the full thinking shown here but it does show the use of I am.

"Now, allow me, a wretched servant of the Lord, a miserable sinner, to affirm the majesty of my luminous “I Am,” before whom I kneel, since before him I feel that I am miserable, poor in virtue, and very bountiful in sin."

https://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/the-major-mysteries/3634-the-gnostic-movement.html

If you want more, do your own research.

Regards
DL

The question is straight-forward.  "Do you have any SUPPORTED claim?"
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Greatest I am on May 09, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
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The question is straight-forward.  "Do you have any SUPPORTED claim?"

Look and listen, again, for the first time.

Yes. Logic and reason support my claim, as well as historic references from a number of religion.

If what follows is not good enough for your then do not bother me.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.


The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

If you are not your controller and, in a sense, your God, then who is?

If you cannot say, I am, then you have yet to grow up.

Regards
DL
Title: Re: Catholic Church SCRAMBLING After Pope Questions Existence of Hell
Post by: Cavebear on May 09, 2018, 11:32:44 AM
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Look and listen, again, for the first time.

Yes. Logic and reason support my claim, as well as historic references from a number of religion.

If what follows is not good enough for your then do not bother me.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.


The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

If you are not your controller and, in a sense, your God, then who is?

If you cannot say, I am, then you have yet to grow up.

Regards
DL

I neither accept any existing entities as deities, nor do I accept you or myself as one.  Try again.  I'm retired and my garden is planted.  I have all day...