https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LE3QARjIZg
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Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2018, 12:24:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LE3QARjIZg
The funny graphics aside,the problem is a problem in most cultures.
It is like this with pr126 ... he developed the original meme, that if every Muslim doesn't condemn every act of Muslim terrorism, then by sin of omission, they are all terrorists. So if just one Muslim doesn't cow-tow to pr126's demands, then "kill them all, let Allah sort it out".
Quote from: Baruch on March 23, 2018, 06:28:20 PM
It is like this with pr126 ... he developed the original meme, that if every Muslim doesn't condemn every act of Muslim terrorism, then by sin of omission, they are all terrorists. So if just one Muslim doesn't cow-tow to pr126's demands, then "kill them all, let Allah sort it out".
Writing rubbish again?
Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2018, 12:39:04 AM
Writing rubbish again?
People are mistaken that we are allies ... we are both old men, and not the only old men posting here. We have similar emotions I think, because of similar age (I think age is more important than "generation" which is mere marketing). Vicious stereotyping (many do that here) doesn't help your cause.
You might as well be a vicious KKK poster, saying all Blacks are criminals. I sat next to a Black fellow at a dinner party last night, and he never robbed me once ;-) I would feel the same, and probably get the same result, if he were Muslim instead. Treat people as individuals. Even if we are all apes.
Okay I feel like someone has to point this out here, there seems to be some thought that pr126 is somehow racist against muslims because of the stuff he posts to do with the islamic world and things happening in it. I have never gotten this impression of him once, he simply is someone showing the fact of some of the insane shit that happens in the Islamic world, and how a society of people governed by theocracy can have serious negative implications against secular societies like in the west.
Does anyone actually believe PR is racist against middle eastern people because of his highlighting this stuff?
Quote from: Munch on March 24, 2018, 12:20:50 PM
Okay I feel like someone has to point this out here, there seems to be some thought that pr126 is somehow racist against muslims because of the stuff he posts to do with the islamic world and things happening in it. I have never gotten this impression of him once, he simply is someone showing the fact of some of the insane shit that happens in the Islamic world, and how a society of people governed by theocracy can have serious negative implications against secular societies like in the west.
Does anyone actually believe PR is racist against middle eastern people because of his highlighting this stuff?
I don't think he is racist ... so not exactly KKK ... but still ... KKK was more than racism, it was also ideology "The South Shall Rise Again". I see him as ideological, but in a stereotyping way. I don't have a problem with ideology per se (say, keep all immigrants out of Britain). I do have a problem with stereotyping.
Now some other folks, may say ... if you don't agree with X, then you are racist. But I don't share their semantics. He and I both have a problem with Leftists and SJW folk. That is ideological.
A pro-British ME Christian or Jew would have no problem with him or he with them (provided they aren't nut cases). Skin color isn't his issue. That is a distraction. Such a ME origin person of any faith or secular, would be darker than a European.
Quote from: Munch on March 24, 2018, 12:20:50 PM
Okay I feel like someone has to point this out here, there seems to be some thought that pr126 is somehow racist against muslims because of the stuff he posts to do with the islamic world and things happening in it. I have never gotten this impression of him once, he simply is someone showing the fact of some of the insane shit that happens in the Islamic world, and how a society of people governed by theocracy can have serious negative implications against secular societies like in the west.
Does anyone actually believe PR is racist against middle eastern people because of his highlighting this stuff?
PR is both racist AND anti-islamist. Was that a trick question?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 26, 2018, 01:52:06 AM
PR is both racist AND anti-islamist. Was that a trick question?
Dude, he might be anti Islamic, in the sense of being against the theocracy that wraps peoples minds and makes them follow cultist beliefs, hell I'm that to then since I hate organised religion the same, but what proof do you have that he's racist? Your gonna have to show me where you get that impression
I really don't feel like getting into these anymore, but I will just say this... pr has, consistently for several years now, said some questionable stuff about African Americans and African Europeans on the rare occasion it has been brought up here (Treyvon Martin thread is the main one that comes to my mind). Added ontop of the arguably undeniable xenophobia belief system he has it's easy to see why people could assume it's racism, particularly when that xenophobia doesn't include people who "look" like him and instead is completely focused on the "others".
I don't really feel a need to focus on if it is or isn't racist though, at the end of the day my biggest problem with pr is that it is a hateful and fearful ideology he adheres to. There is nothing wrong with hating pedophilia, homophobia, whatever in Islam... but when it blinds you to the point that it seems that it's the only thing you see when you see a Muslim, that's a problem. When it leads to appealing to more nationalistic and xenophobic ideology and policy, that's a problem. It is inherently ironic because it is supposedly done in the name of "protecting Western values" (which is in truth a racist concept anyways) and yet itself is antithesis to the humanist values European countries are rooted to.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 26, 2018, 04:18:04 AM
I really don't feel like getting into these anymore, but I will just say this... pr has, consistently for several years now, said some questionable stuff about African Americans and African Europeans on the rare occasion it has been brought up here (Treyvon Martin thread is the main one that comes to my mind). Added ontop of the arguably undeniable xenophobia belief system he has it's easy to see why people could assume it's racism, particularly when that xenophobia doesn't include people who "look" like him and instead is completely focused on the "others".
I don't really feel a need to focus on if it is or isn't racist though, at the end of the day my biggest problem with pr is that it is a hateful and fearful ideology he adheres to. There is nothing wrong with hating pedophilia, homophobia, whatever in Islam... but when it blinds you to the point that it seems that it's the only thing you see when you see a Muslim, that's a problem. When it leads to appealing to more nationalistic and xenophobic ideology and policy, that's a problem. It is inherently ironic because it is supposedly done in the name of "protecting Western values" (which is in truth a racist concept anyways) and yet itself is antithesis to the humanist values European countries are rooted to.
I don't disagree with you at all. PR is a racist and a bigot. He doesn't hide it well. His ideology is fearful and hate-filled, but that's what he seems to be and no amount of criticism seems to change his views. You just can't seem to help/educate some people...
Posts by Brits on American race relations, are ignorant at best. Similarly me making posts about QEII, since I am American. That doesn't excuse anyone, but "racism" as the one true sin ... is overdone. There are lots of ways for ape people to throw shit.
Anyone who is criticizing Islam is a racist and a bigot.
Those are the rules. There is no excuse.
It is the 21st-century witch hunt.
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The video was made by an ex-Muslim. He has many more like these.
Ex-Muslims are reviled by Muslims and their fellow travelers alike.
"Oh, we are not defending Islam, but..."
I know. You rather not know about it. Ignorance is bliss.
Let's be nice and don't mention the thousands of underage girls raped by Muslim gangs for decades in the UK with the full knowledge of the police and the social services. And it is still happening now.
That would be Islamophobic.
There is this collage/university feed cognitive dissonance of making it okay to insult Christianity and all to do with it and those who follow it, like many have done here, but it not being okay to insult islam because it might just mean your racist since the most number of people supporting islam are brown skinned and middle eastern.
couldn't just be that islam is as fucked up a mass cult as every other one and it creates a backwards culture, where the ones who escaped islam all say the same that its horrible to be part of it, no no no, it has to just be that if you show up why islam is bad:
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/09/racist1.gif)
Oh and just to absolve myself of any thoughts i might be racist, I sucked a middle eastern guys nob off before after a date, so what kinda points does that score me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFiUgST7LYM
But but but 99.99999999% of Muslims are moderate!
That 32782 (https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) terrorist attacks since 9/11 world wide are done by the .0000000001% of people who calling themselves Muslims but they are not really.
They are hijacking the noble peaceful religion to make Islam look bad.
The Quran forbids killing innocent people.
Hint: Non-Muslims are never innocent. Nonpracticing (moderate) Muslims are neither.
They are all fair targets.
For radical/extremist read orthodox follower of Muhammad and the Quran.
But of course, it has nothing to do with Islam.
You know when young, I use to buy into messages of Christianity, not conforming to it, but thinking back then it seemed an okay thing to follow, that the pretty structures around the uk like churches and cathedrals meant something I just hadn't yet discovered. This was years before the internet and information was limited, I came out gay long before that, and as it went on, I saw the real face of what Christianity in this country was like under his glossy surface, and yet still held out some hope that people would understand that just because their beliefs tell them what I am is a bad thing, that it was just a bad aspect of Christianity telling them that.
Those kinds of people still exist today, because of religious indoctrination, though we are lucky to live in a culture growing more secular and educated away from what old teachings of religion. Hell my own mother will often makes the argument against the growing threat of Islam in the west that 'this is a christian country!' despite not being christian herself, and I always need to correct her, that this is a secular country.
I first saw what the evils of Christianity has done, and I don't ever intend to back-peddle on that, since understanding what it really is.
So why would a have a completely different option of Islam to that of Christianity? Why would I look at what gangs of islamic followers in cities around europe attacking, raping and murderer people there, and excuse them as if there just a fringe group of Islamic followers?
As the guy in the video said, its the belief itself, that is the cause of this, and pandering to it, acting like 'its part of there culture', is just looking the other way. I would gladly fight to abolish all religions in the world, not the people but the belief, until their all nothing more then a fan service disregarded on forums.
#NOTALLMUSLIMS
What should the moderate Muslim do to persuade his Muslim friend to disobey Allah's command and reject Jihad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jUvvzhMFC0
Quote from: Munch on March 24, 2018, 12:20:50 PM
Okay I feel like someone has to point this out here, there seems to be some thought that pr126 is somehow racist against muslims because of the stuff he posts to do with the islamic world and things happening in it. I have never gotten this impression of him once, he simply is someone showing the fact of some of the insane shit that happens in the Islamic world, and how a society of people governed by theocracy can have serious negative implications against secular societies like in the west.
Does anyone actually believe PR is racist against middle eastern people because of his highlighting this stuff?
I didn't get the impression that people think he's racist against people of islamic faith because you can't be racist against a belief.
I just think he's obsessed and crazy and I have a feeling other people feel the same way
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 26, 2018, 11:39:09 AM
I didn't get the impression that people think he's racist against people of islamic faith because you can't be racist against a belief.
I just think he's obsessed and crazy and I have a feeling other people feel the same way
simple question, on the basis of what?
Quote from: Munch on March 26, 2018, 11:40:28 AM
simple question, on the basis of what?
Uhhhhhhhh... Have you visited a website called atheistforums.com?
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 26, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
Uhhhhhhhh... Have you visited a website called atheistforums.com?
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That isn't enough. First off to correct you, certain people here are accusing him of being racist, pretty much with little to back it up other then the belief that calling out islam for the shit show it is that it somehow makes him racist.
But you calling him crazy for doing that also, given the fact this is an atheist forum and calling out religion for its BS is what happens here, its a tall claim given he just posts videos and gives his opinions of it.
Serious now, back up your claim.
Quote from: Munch on March 26, 2018, 11:55:13 AM
That isn't enough. First off to correct you, certain people here are accusing him of being racist, pretty much with little to back it up other then the belief that calling out islam for the shit show it is that it somehow makes him racist.
But you calling him crazy for doing that also, given the fact this is an atheist forum and calling out religion for its BS is what happens here, its a tall claim given he just posts videos and gives his opinions of it.
Serious now, back up your claim.
My evidence is his posts. Who the fuck do you think you are, ordering people around, btw?
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Well, I see a lot of criticism of Christianity. Just look at the thread count on the subject. (41 pages)
Islam (18 Pages)
And when a Christian posts? He/she put through the wringer. Scorn, ridicule, abuse until he/she leaves.
Are the Christianity criticizers bigots? Racist? Certainly not here.
Double standards? Hell, yeah.
Because Christianity is all you know.
Islam happens to other people far away. Not your problem. Yet.
I am not more obsessed with Islam than Atheistforums is obsessed with Christianity.
But here is a thing. There is no compulsion to read my posts.
You are at liberty to ignore it. Unless you want to get offended.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 26, 2018, 12:02:30 PM
My evidence is his posts. Who the fuck do you think you are, ordering people around, btw?
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Whos making orders? I merely ask for clarification, maybe then I'd understand your claim better.
Quote from: Munch on March 26, 2018, 09:40:50 AM
There is this collage/university feed cognitive dissonance of making it okay to insult Christianity and all to do with it and those who follow it, like many have done here, but it not being okay to insult islam because it might just mean your racist since the most number of people supporting islam are brown skinned and middle eastern.
couldn't just be that islam is as fucked up a mass cult as every other one and it creates a backwards culture, where the ones who escaped islam all say the same that its horrible to be part of it, no no no, it has to just be that if you show up why islam is bad:
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/09/racist1.gif)
Oh and just to absolve myself of any thoughts i might be racist, I sucked a middle eastern guys nob off before after a date, so what kinda points does that score me?
In the US, being anti-social, in a Christian dominant society, means it it OK to preferentially attack Christianity. Being pro-underdog, means we have to defend Islam (especially because so many African-Americans are Islamic, not just Nation of Islam). In Israel it would be the same but different. Anti-social types would preferentially attack Jewishness (the ethnicity, not the religion ... Israelis are secular) ... and being pro-underdog, would have to defend Islam (particularly Palestinians). In short, this is pure politics mixed in with anti-social attitudes.
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2018, 12:06:58 PM
Well, I see a lot of criticism of Christianity. Just look at the thread count on the subject. (41 pages)
Islam (18 Pages)
And when a Christian posts? He/she put through the wringer. Scorn, ridicule, abuse until he/she leaves.
Are the Christianity criticizers bigots? Racist? Certainly not here.
Double standards? Hell, yeah.
Because Christianity is all you know.
Islam happens to other people far away. Not your problem. Yet.
I am not more obsessed with Islam than Atheistforums is obsessed with Christianity.
The existential threat of Islam in Europe is real.
The existential threat of Christianity in America is imaginary.
Britain isn't like the US ... their religion and immigrant problems are completely different. But anti-social belief/activity is universal. So is sticking up for the little guy (even bad little guys) in Western politics. I can't fathom why Europeans, or Canadians, do what they do. I am not from their culture. We can hope that they will share with us US primitives ;-)
Baruch wrote:QuoteWe can hope that they will share with us US primitives ;-)
You (Americans) will not be left out. Soros will see to it.
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
Baruch wrote:You (Americans) will not be left out. Soros will see to it.
How do you know that Soros isn't CIA or MI6? Or shudder, a Jesuit or Freemason??
Quote from: Baruch on March 26, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
How do you know that Soros isn't CIA or MI6? Or shudder, a Jesuit or Freemason??
He is a megalomaniac.
Quote from: Munch on March 26, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
Whos making orders? I merely ask for clarification, maybe then I'd understand your claim better.
And I was clear. I said he's crazy. If you read his collection of obsessive comments on the same exact thing, you would put 2 and 2 together and see that he's a fanatic.
or are you insisting I provide evidence that i didn't think anyone actually thinks he's racist because you can't be racist towards a set of beliefs? In that case I'd say the burden of proof is on you to show me where someone said it in the first place. I don't read every fucking message on here. I'm not god.
Not sure what other evidence for what I'm saying that you want. That I think he's crazy? How else do you supply proof of that. I just said I think he's crazy because of what he posts. I'm not going to post every single one of his posts in a reply to back up that his posts are crazy and obsessive. Basically all of his posts are obsessing over the same thing, so do your own work and look at his post history. and in the meantime, learn 1, when something is actually a debate, and 2 learn to debate better
How in the hell did my explaining how I think pr is a fanatic and crazy turn in to a debate?
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2018, 01:18:23 PM
He is a megalomaniac.
Most false messiahs are. I would characterize the whole EU thing as false messianic pretentious by people who feel bad about WW II. Yes, all Europeans are guilty, not just Germans and Italians and their racist relations.
Obama, George W, Trump are all megalomaniacs. Anyone who wants that shitty job would be. But I know enough to know, they all are false messiahs.
@ PickelledEggs
You have the option NOT to read and ignore my posts.
Many here do so.
You may have noticed that always the same 4 people comment, yourself included.
The rest are indifferent.
Ask yourself why does it bother you so much?
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2018, 08:51:37 AM
Anyone who is criticizing Islam is a racist and a bigot.
Those are the rules. There is no excuse.
I can criticize Islam or any other religion as superstition and nonsense any time I choose to without being a racist or bigot. I have the right to consider ALL superstitions as moronic and false.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 27, 2018, 12:54:41 AM
I can criticize Islam or any other religion as superstition and nonsense any time I choose to without being a racist or bigot. I have the right to consider ALL superstitions as moronic and false.
Of course, you can.
As long as it is not in the public square. At least not in Europe.
That incurs a penalty.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 02:21:53 AM
Of course, you can.
As long as it is not in the public square. At least not in Europe.
That incurs a penalty.
And since I am not there, I will. Islamists, both Sunni and Suffi are crazy and violent being a young religion born and expanded by violence. It will take a century at least to calm them down if that ever can happen in 1,000. They are as nuts as medieval Christians and about at the same age. The only good thing is to pound them on the head until they stop deciding they aren't the only religion and settle down a bit to join the rest of the modern world.
QuoteYou have the option NOT to read and ignore my posts.
Many here do so.
Yes, and as a public forum we also have the option to read them and call them absolute batshit.
You really seem to have a problem with that, given how often you have told people who disagree with you, either obtusely or occasionally even bluntly, to just shut up. Perhaps you need a safe space?
QuoteAsk yourself why does it bother you so much?
Like it or not, you are a representative of atheistforums.com, and atheists in general. So when you look like a batshit loonie, it reflects badly on all of us... particularly if no one calls you on it.
Yes, they are crazy.
The founder was mentally ill, frontal lobe epilepsy, malignant narcissism, a murderous psychopath a pirate and a pervert to boot.
All the requirements for a Prophet. Peace be upon him.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 27, 2018, 02:40:12 AM
Yes, and as a public forum we also have the option to read them and call them absolute batshit.
You really seem to have a problem with that, given how often you have told people who disagree with you, either obtusely or occasionally even bluntly, to just shut up. Perhaps you need a safe space?
Like it or not, you are a representative of atheistforums.com, and atheists in general. So when you look like a batshit loonie, it reflects badly on all of us... particularly if no one calls you on it.
Why do you delete identities from quotes?
Everything I write is the truth, verifiable from Muslim scriptures.
That is batshit crazy? Yes. But then, Islam is batshit crazy.
Batshit crazy indeed.
Tell that to the thousands of underage girls, women who get gang raped all over Europe.
Those who get gunned down, knifed, run down in trucks, robbed, molested by the invaders.
Nobody wants to know that.
Stick to denigrating Christianity. You are safe with that.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 02:57:42 AM
Everything I write is the truth, verifiable from Muslim scriptures.
That is batshit crazy? Yes. But then, Islam is batshit crazy.
Nobody wants to know that.
Stick to denigrating Christianity. You are safe with that.
You didn't answer my question, PR. Why do you delete names from quotes? You are afraid of replies, aren't you?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 27, 2018, 03:13:15 AM
You didn't answer my question, PR. Why do you delete names from quotes? You are afraid of replies, aren't you?
I am not aware of that. Example?
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 03:18:25 AM
I am not aware of that. Example?
My error, I was just looking in the blue box. Never mind, LOL!
I post a video by an ex Muslim about Islamic pedophilia and child marriage. Verifiable. A fact.
It happens everywhere Islam is present. It is the religion dictated culture.
Tradition, if you want to know. The Prophet (PBUH) is shown an example which should be emulated.
Quran 33:21
There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.
All hell goes loose, people get very upset. Racist! Bigot! Crazy!
I would understand Muslims get irate by airing their dirty laundry.
But atheist? WTF?
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 03:49:52 AM
I post a video by an ex Muslim about Islamic pedophilia and child marriage. Verifiable. A fact.
All hell goes loose, people get very upset. Racist! Bigot! Crazy!
I would understand Muslims get irate by airing their dirty laundry.
But atheist? WTF?
Because you're a bigot? I have problems with adherents of all religions, but in general terms. But you really hate one specific one That's not atheism, that's bigotry.
Ah, yes. A bigot. Thanks.
Add to that Islamophobe, xenophobe, arachnophobe, white supremacist, literally Hitler, intolerant, Trump supporter, Fascist Nazi.
Go on. Make my day.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 04:01:14 AM
Ah, yes. A bigot. Thanks.
Add to that Islamophobe, xenophobe, arachnophobe, white supremacist, literally Hitler, intolerant, Trump supporter, Fascist Nazi.
Go on. Make my day.
Well, the shoe fits. You have to admit that you haven't exactly been the role model of tolerance and equality, LOL!
Neither has been Muslims for the last 14 centuries.
But don't mention that!
Oops, must not forget #NOTALLMUSLIMS. There. Much better.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 04:07:19 AM
Neither has been Muslims for the last 14 centuries.
But don't mention that!
Well, I don't think the Moslems are all that great either. They are definitely kind of nutso. But so are the Christians, Jews, and Hindus and all others. It's your focus on one nut group that seems disturbing.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 27, 2018, 04:13:58 AM
Well, I don't think the Moslems are all that great either. They are definitely kind of nutso. But so are the Christians, Jews, and Hindus. It's your focus on one nut group that seems disturbing.
Only to those who cannot see that Christians, Jews, Hindus don't roam the planet raping, murdering anyone they don't agree with.
With nearly 33,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11 and piles of corpses, they really need to catch up to match the religion of peace.
No, not all religions are the same. As much as you would like to think.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 04:19:34 AM
Only to those who cannot see that Christians, Jews, Hindus don't roam the planet raping, murdering anyone they don't agree with.
With nearly 33,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11 and piles of corpses, they really need to catch up to match the religion of peace.
No, not all religions are the same. As much as you would like to think.
I disagree. Hindus massacre Moslems, Moslems massacre Christians, Christians shoot up schools. They all commit horrid crimes against others in the name of religion and there is no seeming end to it. I understand your anger, I just don't why it is focussed on one particular religion.
But why is it always moslems with you? Yes they are horrid and violent, but not that much more horrid than the others. Is there some event you are focussed on?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 27, 2018, 04:29:38 AM
I disagree. Hindus massacre Moslems, Moslems massacre Christians, Christians shoot up schools. They all commit horrid crimes against others in the name of religion and there is no seeming end to it. I understand your anger, I just don't why it is focussed on one particular religion.
But why is it always moslems with you? Yes they are horrid and violent, but not that much more horrid than the others. Is there some event you are focussed on?
Well, now you mention it, yes.
The destruction (Islamisation) of Europa. Or a civil war. Could go either way.
Do you know what is happening in Europe?
Do you think that America or Canada will be left alone once Europa is ruined?
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 04:36:37 AM
Well, now you mention it, yes.
The destruction (Islamisation) of Europa. Or a civil war. Could go either way.
Do you think that America will be left alone once Europa is ruined?
Ah, NOW we are getting to it. It is fine if Europe is Christian (and partly Jewish if you will allow that), but you just can't have "those damned Moslems" in there too. Those are the ones that will ruin European society. That is the one religion you just cannot tolerate.
You aren't an atheist, you are just a rabid Christian and may or may not realize it.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 27, 2018, 04:46:51 AM
Ah, NOW we are getting to it. It is fine if Europe is Christian (and partly Jewish if you will allow that), but you just can't have "those damned Moslems" in there too. Those are the ones that will ruin European society. That is the one religion you just cannot tolerate.
You aren't an atheist, you are just a rabid Christian and may or may not realize it.
Oh dear. Why Christian? How about Jewish? Or Hindu? Or Shinto? Or Jain?
Ask Baruch. He knows.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 04:57:11 AM
Oh dear. Why Christian? How about Jewish? Or Hindu?
Could be any, but Europe is mostly Christian and you fear religious intrusion in Europe so Christian seems likliest and you write as one But you didn't answer my question. "Why are Moslems your so singular focus?"
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 04:57:11 AM
Oh dear. Why Christian? How about Jewish? Or Hindu?
Ask Baruch. He knows.
Hey, trying to get a direct answer out of Baruch is like asking a politician a question about a controversial bill.
Because it is a clear and present danger.
An existential threat to Europe.
Not that I will ever see it. I’ll be long dead before it happens.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 05:09:10 AM
Because it is a clear and present danger.
An existential threat to Europe.
Not that I will ever see it. I’ll be long dead before it happens.
That still evades the question. Why specifically anti-moslem? That says bigot. Against all religions is atheist. Against one is bigotry.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 27, 2018, 05:07:53 AM
Hey, trying to get a direct answer out of Baruch is like asking a politician a question about a controversial bill.
I do know. I don't understand, but I am willing to listen anyway.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 27, 2018, 12:54:41 AM
I can criticize Islam or any other religion as superstition and nonsense any time I choose to without being a racist or bigot. I have the right to consider ALL superstitions as moronic and false.
I happen to agree with your methodology, if not your conclusion. Where would we be without criticism? And I don't think you are a racist either. Quite the opposite.
Would I be still a bigot if I criticized only Christianity?
FYI, Western Europe is no longer religious. Christians in name only.
Eastern Europe, Poland, Hungary, Chech Republic, Slovenia, are still what may be called Christians.
The Pope is the first Marxist Pope in the Vatican.
He is all for Muslim migration for Europe.
Although I don't think he invited any migrants inside the walls of the Vatican.
Europe is largely atheistic. The religious vacuum is filled by Islam.
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Moskva 2011
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It is not piety. It is in your face show of force.
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Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 03:49:52 AM
I post a video by an ex Muslim about Islamic pedophilia and child marriage. Verifiable. A fact.
It happens everywhere Islam is present. It is the religion dictated culture.
Tradition, if you want to know. The Prophet (PBUH) is shown an example which should be emulated.
Quran 33:21
There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.
All hell goes loose, people get very upset. Racist! Bigot! Crazy!
I would understand Muslims get irate by airing their dirty laundry.
But atheist? WTF?
It is more the videos, than what you yourself say. What you say is mostly factual (aside from projecting a negative future). But I am not Cinderella either.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 05:34:48 AM
Would I be still a bigot if I criticized only Christianity?
Technically yes. But Cavebear is coming from a special (government issue) tolerance. A government office is a mother of all PC ... provided everyone in the office is a Democrat ;-) It would be the same at a conservative Think Tank out on the Beltway.
I recognize "venting" ... and hope your "venting" on this particular issue, reduces your blood pressure. I can be just as worked up on things closer to me ... like a new Civil War in the US. Not so much worried about roving raping hordes though ... we are armed over here. And the Muslims here are mostly well behaved, and the Mexicans are mostly Catholic. But those French Canadians, gotta keep an eye out for them (Justin Trudeau joke).
QuoteWould I be still a bigot if I criticized only Christianity?
Yes.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 27, 2018, 02:40:12 AM
Yes, and as a public forum we also have the option to read them and call them absolute batshit.
You really seem to have a problem with that, given how often you have told people who disagree with you, either obtusely or occasionally even bluntly, to just shut up. Perhaps you need a safe space?
Maybe he's only reacting agressively, because theres a lot of people on here who also react agressively to what he says, and who automatically go on the belief he's crazy without reading anything more into it.
Honestly theres people on these forums who having their own beliefs challenged by someone like PR and react the same way a christian reacts to being told their beliefs are bullshit. Don't act all high and mighty when you do this all the dam time.
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Like it or not, you are a representative of atheistforums.com, and atheists in general. So when you look like a batshit loonie, it reflects badly on all of us... particularly if no one calls you on it.
Your interpretation of things, how YOU see them, being an atheist doesn't automatically create a set of rules someone has to follow, fuck you can be narrow minded sometimes.
And this whole 'it looks badly on us', this isn't a collage clique, get over yourself.
Seems funny how you criticize someone like PR about needing a safe space when all it seems you want is an echo chamber.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 12:03:42 AM
@ PickelledEggs
You have the option NOT to read and ignore my posts.
Many here do so.
You may have noticed that always the same 4 people comment, yourself included.
The rest are indifferent.
Ask yourself why does it bother you so much?
I actually don't have the option not to read, being an admin/mod. Fact of the matter is, your posts, being stubbornly detached from reality and condescending to other members as they/you are, they always lead to you being incredibly toxic towards other members that don't agree with you and vice-versa.
And secondly, I enjoy your posts, in a sadistic and masochistic way, if that makes any sense.
And a bonus third. I believe in having discussions, even when we don't agree with someone and when someone is as stubborn as you are with your positions... it's still important in my eyes to have a discussion about topics.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2018, 05:34:48 AM
Would I be still a bigot if I criticized only Christianity?
FYI, Western Europe is no longer religious. Christians in name only.
Eastern Europe, Poland, Hungary, Chech Republic, Slovenia, are still what may be called Christians.
The Pope is the first Marxist Pope in the Vatican.
He is all for Muslim migration for Europe.
Although I don't think he invited any migrants inside the walls of the Vatican.
Europe is largely atheistic. The religious vacuum is filled by Islam.
Yes, you would still a bigot if you criticized only Christianity. Criticizing all religions is a concept. Criticizing just one or a few is bigotry.
"FYI, Western Europe is no longer religious. Christians in name only."This shows that you are a Christian deploring the "fading of the faith" in Europe, meaning that you deplore the lack of strong Christian faith in traditionally Christian Europe.
"The Pope is the first Marxist Pope in the Vatican. He is all for Muslim migration for Europe. "That is an unsupported opinion.. Tolerance is not the same as "all for". And I do not love (or even admire) The Pope. The stronger a religious leader, the more dangerous I consider the religion to humanity in general.
"Europe is largely atheistic. The religious vacuum is filled by Islam.". Hurray, Democracies will benefit by more atheism. But I doubt many Euopean atheists will b converted to Islam. Rather, over time, The Moslems will be converted to the freedom of atheism, UNLESS they are all treated as criminals.
Chancellor Merkel could always revive E Germany. They need a few experienced apparachiks to get them rebooted (as in jack boot). Facebook et al could be the new high tech Stazi.