Yup, the Treasury department has announced sanctions against several Russian individuals and groups for interfering in 2016 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43419809). Interestingly, they seem to have taken their list from Mueller's investigation, you know, the one the Orange Disaster Area swears is just a politicized witch hunt and doing nothing but trying to smear him. Apparently Mnuchin thinks they're not wasting their time.
It'll be interesting to see the bloviation over this one….
He may explode twitter over this!
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 15, 2018, 01:09:13 PM
He may explode twitter over this!
For some reason, my brain edited the word 'twitter' out of this...
Hillary is Deep Putin ... Uranium One ... Obama has her back.
So where were you when the initial findings were announced several weeks ago?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury
Of course Trump would sanction Russia, as a deep play being that he is pro-Russian. Nobody will suspect him now .. bwahah.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 15, 2018, 01:09:13 PM
He may explode twitter over this!
I can't wait to hear how MSNBC and Fox News treat his reactions... LOL!
Quote from: Baruch on March 15, 2018, 01:12:21 PM
Hillary is Deep Putin ... Uranium One ... Obama has her back.
Hillary and Obama...the beast with two backs?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:12:38 PM
I can't wait to hear how MSNBC and Fox News treat his reactions... LOL!
As soon as I'm done here Ill go find out. It should be very entertaining!
The 'russian narrative' has 0 evidence. It was a smear campaign relying on the media to purposefully speak about it vaguely - because getting into specifics would expose it as false, since there are no specifics, since it didn't happen. Rather than the media outright purporting it as true, they would refer to it as something other people are talking about, or are investigating.
The narrative was used to draw attention away from podestas leaked emails, which exposed mass corruption and pedophelia in the DNC.
To the braindead populace, who don't dig deeper on anything the MSM tells them, they naturally concluded that the russians 'hacked' the DNC - somehow, whatever that means - and that the emails are fake.
Even if one could prove that it was russian government that created the phishing scam that got podesta, the emails are still really his emails. So.. in this alternate universe where it indeed was russia that leaked podestas emails, DNC sheeple are somehow mad at russia for exposing true corruption, rather than the corruption of their own party itself? Makes sense.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 15, 2018, 01:13:37 PM
Hillary and Obama...the beast with two backs?
Yeah, 2 intelligent rational people who did serious work respected among nations...
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 01:16:16 PM
The 'russian narrative' has 0 evidence. It was a smear campaign relying on the media to purposefully speak about it vaguely - because getting into specifics would expose it as false, since there are no specifics, since it didn't happen. Rather than the media outright purporting it as true, they would refer to it as something other people are talking about, or are investigating.
The narrative was used to draw attention away from podestas leaked emails, which exposed mass corruption and pedophelia in the DNC.
To the braindead populace, who don't dig deeper on anything the MSM tells them, they naturally concluded that the russians 'hacked' the DNC - somehow, whatever that means - and that the emails are fake.
Even if one could prove that it was russian government that created the phishing scam that got podesta, the emails are still really his emails. So.. in this alternate universe where it indeed was russia that leaked podestas emails, DNC sheeple are somehow mad at russia for exposing true corruption, rather than the corruption of their own party itself? Makes sense.
You seem to have a very interesting and irrational view of the world. Trump is evidentially connected to Russia according to all information so far available. And it is only going to get worse for him.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
Yeah, 2 intelligent rational people who did serious work respected among nations...
2 warmongers, who have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents all over the world, who's effective propaganda has half the population thinking they're the good guys, and when their enemies get into power, who wage the same old bullshit wars, the propaganda has the other half of the population thinking they're the good guys. They're all in it together and laugh at dinner with eachother at the retarded victims of their propaganda, who will keep them in power for the foreseeable future.
And you're caught up in the whole facade, thinking, "at least I'm not as stupid as the republicans" assuring your lords continue lording over you.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 01:25:33 PM
2 warmongers, who have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents all over the world, who's effective propaganda has half the population thinking they're the good guys, and when their enemies get into power, who wage the same old bullshit wars, the propaganda has the other half of the population thinking they're the good guys. They're all in it together and laugh at dinner with eachother at the retarded victims of their propaganda, who will keep them in power for the foreseeable future.
And you're caught up in the whole facade, thinking, "at least I'm not as stupid as the republicans" assuring your lords continue lording over you.
Say it lady! But who are you suggesting if he was replaced?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:24:04 PM
You seem to have a very interesting and irrational view of the world. Trump is evidentially connected to Russia according to all information so far available. And it is only going to get worse for him.
Okay. let's debate this.
What did the russian state do with the Trump campaign. Provide sources.
After establishing what the russian state, and/or the trump campaign did, how is what they did a violation of international treaty and/or US law. Provide sources.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 01:32:33 PM
Okay. let's debate this.
What did the russian state do with the Trump campaign. Provide sources.
After establishing what the russian state, and/or the trump campaign did, how is what they did a violation of international treaty and/or US law. Provide sources.
Been a Russian bot long?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:34:59 PM
Been a Russian bot long?
See, I didn't even expect you to engage in an exchange at all. You never do when anyone asks you to defend your position. You rely completely on the fact that your positions are the dominant opinion, thereby relieving you of any real need to defend them. You're weak. You're a follower. You've never spent one moment in introspection to engage your own ideas, or the 'why's' of why they're there, have you? You just go with whatever is the dominant thought among your company, like a thoughtless automaton.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 01:39:32 PM
See, I didn't even expect you to engage in an exchange at all. You never do when anyone asks you to defend your position. You rely completely on the fact that your positions are the dominant opinion, thereby relieving you of any real need to defend them. You're weak. You're a follower. You've never spent one moment in introspection to engage your own ideas, or the 'why's' of why they're there, have you? You just go with whatever is the dominant thought among your company, like a thoughtless automaton.
I am full willing to engage in a debate. But you are asking for proof of information that is not public.
"you're weak. You're a follower. "
Tell that to my former supervisors and they would laugh out loud in your face.
Ask me one specific question instead of spouting rabid accusations...
You: These ____ are my convictions
Me: Proof?
You: The proof that validates my convictions isn't available to me yet
You've exposed your idiocy.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 01:52:06 PM
You: These ____ are my convictions
Me: Proof?
You: The proof that validates my convictions isn't available to me yet
You've exposed your idiocy.
Wow, you've got a real anger-streak going on. And I don't mind that.
So, you want to know what I think without proof?
I think Trump is a f***ing little neo-nazi piss-ant nutcase wannabe dictator beholden to the Russians for sex tapes or money. I think all theists are delusional brain-dead idiots hoping for an afterlife that doesn't exist. I think MOST of TODAY's Republicans are selfish little self-deluded nuts who think their guns could fight off a modern military and wish they could have the 1700s back when women stayed in their place in the house and bed, slaves said "YESSIR how high should I jump SIR", and poor whites got off the streets when they passed by because they thought THEY were superior people.
Is that enough for you?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 02:29:26 PM
So, you want to know what I think without proof?
Uh, no.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 02:37:36 PM
Uh, no.
Never ask for what you may not want to learn... LOL!
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 02:37:36 PM
Uh, no.
Why bother debating draft dodging, bra burning, pot smoking, campus demonstrating, sex orgy-ing libertine degenerates from the 1960s? (nobody here fits that profile) Let them wallow in their Acid Rock LSD overdose. We can hope that all that generation, which produced nothing other than profits for the music oligarchy .. have gotten to the nursing home already ... and are enjoying their sponge bath from Jolly Rodger.
Quote from: Baruch on March 15, 2018, 07:43:28 PM
Why bother debating draft dodging, bra burning, pot smoking, campus demonstrating, sex orgy-ing libertine degenerates from the 1960s? (nobody here fits that profile) Let them wallow in their Acid Rock LSD overdose. We can hope that all that generation, which produced nothing other than profits for the music oligarchy .. have gotten to the nursing home already ... and are enjoying their sponge bath from Jolly Rodger.
I'll debate anyone on the russia collusion narrative, since its a topic that I've extensively researched myself, and have watched countless debates on. It has 0 basis in reality, therefore debates don't last long at all.
1. Have them define exactly what they mean by 'russian collusion', then have them demonstrate that the collusion was a crime, or at the least 'bad play' - because these things are necessary to define something as 'collusion.'
2. After they've properly fleshed out exactly what the fuck they're talking about - and it rarely even gets to this point, since the entire narrative is necessarily and fundamentally vague, so as to be able to have the MSM propagate 'it' without ever saying what 'it' is because 'it' doesn't exist, ask them for proof.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 15, 2018, 08:17:41 PM
I'll debate anyone on the russia collusion narrative, since its a topic that I've extensively researched myself, and have watched countless debates on. It has 0 basis in reality, therefore debates don't last long at all.
1. Have them define exactly what they mean by 'russian collusion', then have them demonstrate that the collusion was a crime, or at the least 'bad play' - because these things are necessary to define something as 'collusion.'
2. After they've properly fleshed out exactly what the fuck they're talking about - and it rarely even gets to this point, since the entire narrative is necessarily and fundamentally vague, so as to be able to have the MSM propagate 'it' without ever saying what 'it' is because 'it' doesn't exist, ask them for proof.
I think you are missing the big picture. Every nation interferes with every other nation, including their elections. That itself is no basis for any policy. If it should be stopped, then the US, who is the worst offender, should be destroyed by the United Nations. For the Democrats, if outlawing gay marriage again would put Hillary in office, they would do it ;-( I doubt that the US will survive another 4 years, we are at the brink of the End of the Republic (in Rome and in Star Wars). We have no basis for national identity.
Quote from: Baruch on March 15, 2018, 08:46:39 PM
I think you are missing the big picture. Every nation interferes with every other nation, including their elections. That itself is no basis for any policy. If it should be stopped, then the US, who is the worst offender, should be destroyed by the United Nations. For the Democrats, if outlawing gay marriage again would put Hillary in office, they would do it ;-( I doubt that the US will survive another 4 years, we are at the brink of the End of the Republic (in Rome and in Star Wars). We have no basis for national identity.
You've had shit leaders before.
You'll have them again.
If The US stops being a nation between this and four years; I won't just eat my hat. I'll go out and buy one to eat.
And you are telling me your country is without a national identity. Hah! Try being an artificial, Tiny speck created just because bigger countries got tired of sending their young men off to die fighting one-another. A country so divided we have three municipalities, three 'regions' and need 7 governments to just make things function. But you know what that outlook taught us, I think? We're all artifcial countries, so you might as well mock yourself.
Everyone everywhere despises one another, and yet we keep working in the same great machine, binding us further rather than tearing ourselves 'free'. We're always at the brink of seperation. And yet civil wars in the West are rare. Bureaucracy is far less effective. And that's why people love it.
Ad hominems are logical fallacies. Unless it is Donald J. Trump.
Fools are fighting among themselves. Cui bono?
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 16, 2018, 02:10:55 AM
You've had shit leaders before.
You'll have them again.
If The US stops being a nation between this and four years; I won't just eat my hat. I'll go out and buy one to eat.
And you are telling me your country is without a national identity. Hah! Try being an artificial, Tiny speck created just so bigger countries got tired of sending their young men off to die fighting one-another. A country so divided we have three municipalities, three 'gewesten' and need 7 governments to just make things function. But you know what that outlook taught us, i think? We're all artifcial countries, so you might as Well mock yourself. Everyone everywhere despises one another, and yet we keep working in The same great machine, binding us further rather than rearing ourselves 'free'. We're always at The brink of seperation. And yet civil wars in The west are rare. Bureaucracy is far less effective. And that's why people love it.
Hercule Poirot always gets his suspect!
Yes, Belgium is in trouble. I think that being the HQ of NATO and the EU is ... disrupting (in a situation that is already the product of the Spanish/France/Netherlands wars). Bureaucracy is getting more effective in the US ... because we are on a trajectory to become China (in N America).
Gilgamesh you are confusing 2 different topics.
It is already an established fact that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election. (facebook ads, fake persons on social media talking good about Trump...)Sanctions have been placed against Russia for it. If dumb ass Trump has not done anything to deal with it Russia will again be interfering in the 2018 and 2020 election. Evidence has already been collected showing intereference in 2018 elections.
The question is whether or not Trump colluded with Russia. Apparently you were watching debates between a bunch of air-heads. No one can answer the question about collusion. That is the purpose of the republican special prosecutor Mueller. The Mueller investigation is getting close to completion but it’s not done yet. and even though the investigation isnt done several criminal charges have already been charged against people working with Trump. Maybe you will get lucky and everyone will be getting in trouble except Trump, but you can’t say that until Mueller closes the investigation.
P.S. did I forget to say Mueller is a republican?
Quote from: fencerider on March 16, 2018, 10:55:40 PM
Gilgamesh you are confusing 2 different topics.
It is already an established fact that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election. (facebook ads, fake persons on social media talking good about Trump...)Sanctions have been placed against Russia for it. If dumb ass Trump has not done anything to deal with it Russia will again be interfering in the 2018 and 2020 election. Evidence has already been collected showing intereference in 2018 elections.
Citation needed. Also, before you provide those citations that you don't have, look up the definition of 'interference' to get a clue of exactly what I'm asking for.
QuoteThe question is whether or not Trump colluded with Russia.
Uh, that is exactly the question - and the contention - that is being purported.
QuoteApparently you were watching debates between a bunch of air-heads. No one can answer the question about collusion.
That nobody can say - or prove - that the trump campaign 'colluded' with russia is exactly my contention, numbnuts. Work on your reading comprehension before posting, please. Similarly, that invisible unicorns exist is an unfalsifiable contention - and precisely because it is a random, unfalsifiable statement, can it be disregarded as false.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 17, 2018, 02:15:45 AM
Citation needed. Also, before you provide those citations that you don't have, look up the definition of 'interference' to get a clue of exactly what I'm asking for.
Uh, that is exactly the question - and the contention - that is being purported.
That nobody can say - or prove - that the trump campaign 'colluded' with russia is exactly my contention, numbnuts. Work on your reading comprehension before posting, please. Similarly, that invisible unicorns exist is an unfalsifiable contention - and precisely because it is a random, unfalsifiable statement, can it be disregarded as false.
Actually "someone" can say if the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. Mueller is doing exactly that. And the more information that leaks, the more it seems likely he will demonstrate a good legal case.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 17, 2018, 02:23:10 AM
Actually "someone" can say if the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. Mueller is doing exactly that. And the more information that leaks, the more it seems likely he will demonstrate a good legal case.
Of course they can. And until they provide evidence, they're no different than some random christfag taking his stupid sign to the university campus to spout off bible verses at the students.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 17, 2018, 02:23:10 AM
And the more information that leaks, the more it seems likely he will demonstrate a good legal case.
All the information available points to it being bullshit, but because you refuse to debate something you are 100% sure of while having no evidence of (AKA faith) you will never allow yourself to come into contact with this information. You view the MSM kinda like the parish idiot views his infallible priest.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 17, 2018, 02:28:42 AM
Of course they can. And until they provide evidence, they're no different than some random christfag taking his stupid sign to the university campus to spout off bible verses at the students.
I'll agree about religions being nonsensical, But "christfag"? You are getting into a whole different place with that.
Quote from: fencerider on March 16, 2018, 10:55:40 PM
Gilgamesh you are confusing 2 different topics.
It is already an established fact that the Russians interfered in the 2016 election. (facebook ads, fake persons on social media talking good about Trump...)Sanctions have been placed against Russia for it. If dumb ass Trump has not done anything to deal with it Russia will again be interfering in the 2018 and 2020 election. Evidence has already been collected showing intereference in 2018 elections.
The question is whether or not Trump colluded with Russia. Apparently you were watching debates between a bunch of air-heads. No one can answer the question about collusion. That is the purpose of the republican special prosecutor Mueller. The Mueller investigation is getting close to completion but it’s not done yet. and even though the investigation isnt done several criminal charges have already been charged against people working with Trump. Maybe you will get lucky and everyone will be getting in trouble except Trump, but you can’t say that until Mueller closes the investigation.
P.S. did I forget to say Mueller is a republican?
They also interfered in the Obama administration (Uranium One). Don't like it ... nuke Russia. But the greatest industrial espionage is from China and France. Nuke them too while you are at it.
I have no opinion without insider information, regarding the investigations, but the leaks of the investigations sure are ugly. And in any case, like the situation with the impeachment of WJC ... it is a show trial. Of course followers of Stalin didn't see anything wrong with his ... show trials. Same in Nazi Germany.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 17, 2018, 02:23:10 AM
Actually "someone" can say if the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. Mueller is doing exactly that. And the more information that leaks, the more it seems likely he will demonstrate a good legal case.
The law is an ass - old quote. Show trials for all the kulaks and non-Aryans. There is a good case against any politician ... but the law is selectively enforced ... per CIA/FBI direction. Though there is a certain breakdown of discipline between CIA and FBI now, and within the FBI. Civil war makes strange bedfellows.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 17, 2018, 02:44:09 AM
I'll agree about religions being nonsensical, But "christfag"? You are getting into a whole different place with that.
who is the giver? and who is the taker :-D
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 17, 2018, 02:15:45 AM
Uh, that is exactly the question - and the contention - that is being purported.
That nobody can say - or prove - that the trump campaign 'colluded' with russia is exactly my contention, numbnuts. Work on your reading comprehension before posting, please. Similarly, that invisible unicorns exist is an unfalsifiable contention - and precisely because it is a random, unfalsifiable statement, can it be disregarded as false.
good Lordy. sounds like another sucker that fried their brain by watching too much of the Fox Entertainment Network. or maybe you were sittin around the campfire tellin InfoWar stories.
Y'all might find this of some interest:
Quote"In 1984, a Russian émigré named David Bogatin went shopping for apartments in New York City. The 38-year-old had arrived in America seven years before, with just $3 in his pocket. But for a former pilot in the Soviet Armyâ€"his specialty had been shooting down Americans over North Vietnamâ€"he had clearly done quite well for himself. Bogatin wasn’t hunting for a place in Brighton Beach, the Brooklyn enclave known as “Little Odessa†for its large population of immigrants from the Soviet Union. Instead, he was fixated on the glitziest apartment building on Fifth Avenue, a gaudy, 58-story edifice with gold-plated fixtures and a pink-marble atrium: Trump Tower.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJzf6eUSWA
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
Yeah, and the Clintons are aliens from Roswell. Unless you understand ... that all money transaction, for example buying gasoline, is money laundering, for the ME Muslim Mobsters ... then you don't understand the meme value of scary words.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 17, 2018, 01:34:06 PM
Y'all might find this of some interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJzf6eUSWA
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
so
the Apprentice labeled Trump as a financial genius? I gotta admit I never watched that show. too busy at work.
that’s a good article for Gilgamesh and a few other people I know to read. Trump is up to his neck in Russian money.... I wonder if he got any from Putin. Jeez wattadumbunny Trump is for running for president. Maybe nobody would have bothered to figure it out, if he was just another upper class putz. By exposing the Russians he cuts off his own gravy train. and now if he rats out the Russians to save his bacon maybe the Russians will take him out.
Quote from: Baruch on March 17, 2018, 02:06:28 PM
Yeah, and the Clintons are aliens from Roswell. Unless you understand ... that all money transaction, for example buying gasoline, is money laundering, for the ME Muslim Mobsters ... then you don't understand the meme value of scary words.
but the mobsters in Turkey and Saudi Arabia are on the approved list of mobsters
Quote from: fencerider on March 17, 2018, 01:30:38 PM
good Lordy. sounds like another sucker that fried their brain by watching too much of the Fox Entertainment Network. or maybe you were sittin around the campfire tellin InfoWar stories.
I am always amazed at how fast I can tell the political party of someone on TV without even seeing them (just listening from out of sight).
Quote from: Cavebear on March 17, 2018, 10:01:40 PM
I am always amazed at how fast I can tell the political party of someone on TV without even seeing them (just listening from out of sight).
You have super powers, and you aren't even a demigod ;-)
Quote from: fencerider on March 17, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
that’s a good article for Gilgamesh and a few other people I know to read.
Somehow you think that rich russian criminals buying condos from a guy who has expensive, luxury condos for sale, is proof that the guy who owns the building colluded with the russian state to undermine american democracy - an undermining that you still cannot even define.
Rather, you idiots just keep exposing that you're willing to believe anything based solely on if it satisfies your biases and not whether it is an accurate description of reality. Stop thinking you're any more enlightened than a backwater redneck who gets into arguments with his TV every time fox news plays an obama clip.
There is 0 substance to the russian narrative. I'm still waiting for any of you idiots who peddle it to define it, in its entirety and in detail, and then, of course, to substantiate your claims. You know, if you guys were honest, you'd stop peddling propaganda after losing arguments about their validity.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 17, 2018, 10:01:40 PM
I am always amazed at how fast I can tell the political party of someone on TV without even seeing them (just listening from out of sight).
No - you
perceive that you can. Whether your perception is correct or not is a thought that you can't be bothered with. It satisfies your ego to 'know' exactly how someone is who disagrees with your morally superior opinions. If they disagree with your opinions, they are a republican. And if they are a republican, then they are a racist, sexist, fascist.
It sure feels good being smart and having everything all figured out, eh? There's good lefties, and then there's evil righties. Nobody else exists that don't belong to one of these two groups. And good righties don't exist. And bad lefties don't exist. Nope, life is just simple and conveniently self-assuring.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 18, 2018, 12:27:38 PM
No - you perceive that you can. Whether your perception is correct or not is a thought that you can't be bothered with. It satisfies your ego to 'know' exactly how someone is who disagrees with your morally superior opinions. If they disagree with your opinions, they are a republican. And if they are a republican, then they are a racist, sexist, fascist.
It sure feels good being smart and having everything all figured out, eh? There's good lefties, and then there's evil righties. Nobody else exists that don't belong to one of these two groups. And good righties don't exist. And bad lefties don't exist. Nope, life is just simple and conveniently self-assuring.
This is why, echo chambers, particularly political ones, are Nazi/Bolshevik party rallies. Group hypnosis.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 02:29:26 PM
Wow, you've got a real anger-streak going on. And I don't mind that.
So, you want to know what I think without proof?
I think Trump is a f***ing little neo-nazi piss-ant nutcase wannabe dictator beholden to the Russians for sex tapes or money. I think all theists are delusional brain-dead idiots hoping for an afterlife that doesn't exist. I think MOST of TODAY's Republicans are selfish little self-deluded nuts who think their guns could fight off a modern military and wish they could have the 1700s back when women stayed in their place in the house and bed, slaves said "YESSIR how high should I jump SIR", and poor whites got off the streets when they passed by because they thought THEY were superior people.
Is that enough for you?
(https://i.imgur.com/cP6qO9V.png)
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but nobody is entitled to the facts. In most of this stuff, we will never know the facts, just do virtue signaling for our in-group and demonizing the out-group.
the ceo of facebook already made a public apology for allowing Russians to place advertisements in 2016. They also confucted an internal audit and found several account being run by Russians.
the Trump/Russia investigation began a few months before the creation of the dossier.
If Posesta was involved in illegal activity he will eventually be taken down as well.
No the fact that Trump had Russian mobsters in his hotel doesnt prove that he was involved, but it definitely proves that he is a liar. “never had no business with Russia. dont know any Russiansâ€
If Trump didnt collude with Russia then Mueller will say the case is closed without making any charges against Trump. Although he could still be charged with obstruction for interfering with an investigation. Either way we have to wait for the investigation to be completed. (keeping in mind that 17 of the top financial lawyers in the US are working with Mueller - lawyers that all would have made more money by staying home)
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 18, 2018, 12:23:37 PM
Rather, you idiots just keep exposing that you're willing to believe anything based solely on if it satisfies your biases and not whether it is an accurate description of reality.
This coming from the pizzagate guy. Oh the irony.
Quote from: fencerider on March 18, 2018, 11:28:08 PM
the ceo of facebook already made a public apology for allowing Russians to place advertisements in 2016. They also confucted an internal audit and found several account being run by Russians.
the Trump/Russia investigation began a few months before the creation of the dossier.
If Posesta was involved in illegal activity he will eventually be taken down as well.
No the fact that Trump had Russian mobsters in his hotel doesnt prove that he was involved, but it definitely proves that he is a liar. “never had no business with Russia. dont know any Russiansâ€
If Trump didnt collude with Russia then Mueller will say the case is closed without making any charges against Trump. Although he could still be charged with obstruction for interfering with an investigation. Either way we have to wait for the investigation to be completed. (keeping in mind that 17 of the top financial lawyers in the US are working with Mueller - lawyers that all would have made more money by staying home)
Facebooks is an intel operation rebranded as a social network - Edward Snowden
Duh!
Strzok, Brennan, Clapper ... ah the good Intel guys, not! Didn't know Brennan had voted for CPUSA back in 76. How did this guy get a clearance?
All your Dems belong to us - President for life Putin/Xi
Ever hear of Telefon ... the Charles Bronson movie about rogue use of Soviet deep agents aka MK Ultra style?
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 19, 2018, 01:22:34 AM
This coming from the pizzagate guy. Oh the irony.
(https://i.imgur.com/cP6qO9V.png)
"havig a opinon that
has substantiating evidence is so ironc since you also reject a claim that has
no substantiating evidence like wtff?? there exactly the same gilmsh! loll ownd"
Oh, wait, you've never investigated either thing. You dismissed one not because you were informed on it, but because you were told to reject it. And you accepted the other one not because you were informed on it, but because you were told to accept it.
Pizzagate is the contention that the leaked podesta emails contain dialogue between himself and other high-ranking members of the DNC that contain codewords that are known to be used by pedophiles to describe children and sexual acts with said children. Since that is exactly what the email correspondences do contain, how is holding this contention ironic?
But all pedophiles are Republican ...
Quote from: Baruch on March 19, 2018, 12:25:49 PM
But all pedophiles are Republican ...
Oh god, don't get these retards started on their tribe warfare shit. Once they're in that mode there's no getting through.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 19, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
Oh god, don't get these retards started on their tribe warfare shit. Once they're in that mode there's no getting through.
... there is no getting thru. Would you try to make converts here? Even secular converts?
In fact, unless you see the Podesta brothers having sex, we don't really know what they do. It is just rumors, innuendo, disinformation etc. Same thing with Trump orgies in Moscow. And Bill and Hillary were just casual visitors to Pleasure Island.
The contention that it is only ever reasonable to believe something when you see an instance of its existence is both self-evidently absurd and unconvincing when the person speaking it doesn't even believe it himself.
Rather, there comes a time when the accumulation of evidence makes believing something as true the reasonable stance, and subsequently renders rejecting it the unreasonable stance.
The contention that podestas email correspondences contain multiple instances of pedophile codewords is backed by the evidence that the emails do in fact contain these codewords - and in dialogue where the terms being used, if only applied with their colloquial definition, render the message nonsensical. When one considers the terms usage by pedophiles to communicate sexual activities with children, the messages become coherent.
This is sufficient evidence to turn the belief in the claim into the default reasonable position to hold. The alternative is to deliberately ignore evidence, and to assume that the DNC just happen to have really weird nonsensical conversations, where the rhetoric being used is identical to rhetoric used by child-sex-abuse communities.
Where as the russia narrative isn't even a positive claim. It's a sort of tactic that relies on itself fundamentally being without definition as the mechanism by which to bring about its purposes. It doesn't exist in two ways;
1. in that it's deliberately not describing anything, and
2. in that what little it can be said to describe are fabrications with no substantiating evidence.
In a paranoid world of sociopaths, who you gonna call? Deep State Busters!
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people."
â€"Theodore Roosevelt
Arrest the Senate and House. Waterboard them.
OK, sanction on Russia - but wht can be done about Cambridge Analytica? I'd never heard of this bunch until today:
QuoteAn undercover investigation by Channel 4 News reveals how Cambridge Analytica secretly campaigns in elections across the world. Bosses were filmed talking about using bribes, ex-spies, fake IDs and sex workers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbeOCKZFfQ
So much for democracy, if these and others like them continue to ply their trade! We've heard of the deep state, now we have the deep media.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 19, 2018, 08:38:53 PM
OK, sanction on Russia - but wht can be done about Cambridge Analytica? I'd never heard of this bunch until today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbeOCKZFfQ
So much for democracy, if these and others like them continue to ply their trade! We've heard of the deep state, now we have the deep media.
The Clintons had two think tanks working for them. One got tangled up in the "Steele" memo affair. The former head campaign director for Obama admitted that Facebook favored the Democrats. Admit it ... democracy never happened, you have been lied to.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on March 18, 2018, 12:27:38 PM
No - you perceive that you can. Whether your perception is correct or not is a thought that you can't be bothered with. It satisfies your ego to 'know' exactly how someone is who disagrees with your morally superior opinions. If they disagree with your opinions, they are a republican. And if they are a republican, then they are a racist, sexist, fascist.
It sure feels good being smart and having everything all figured out, eh? There's good lefties, and then there's evil righties. Nobody else exists that don't belong to one of these two groups. And good righties don't exist. And bad lefties don't exist. Nope, life is just simple and conveniently self-assuring.
I review my perceptions rather carefully to look for errors and assumptions. I do think I have many issues figured out. I got out of college with a political science degree, a history minor, and some experience in psychology, and that helps to understand people and motives.
I'm ambivalent about lefists and rightists. If you mean extremes on either side, I don't like them. Extremism is seldom the way to keep a civil society operating. If you mean people slightly left or right of center, I can deal with that.
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis...
Without meaning insult, yes, I can almost always tell whether a talking head on TV is Republican or Democrat without looking at the party designation. Republicans lie in the face of facts without shame. To Republicans, life is a game to be won or lost by any means. Democrats aren't that good at game-playing. I know because I used to be a Republican and I understand how they think.
But you seem to have real anger issues. I don't really care what those issues ARE, but you you should think about them.
"Democrats aren't that good at game-playing." That is why they play to lose. I know because I used to be a Democrat and I understand how they think.