Christian refugee returns to Syria because Europe is flooded with ISIS supporters (https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/03/christian-refugee-returns-to-syria-because-europe-is-flooded-with-isis-supporters/)
QuoteSpiro Haddad is a Christian refugee who returned to Syria from Austria. In an interview with a German TV broadcaster in Syria, he tells how his life was in danger in Austria and why he made the decision to return.
Haddad says he reached Austria by spending â,¬3,000 on smugglers. At first he wanted to stay there, but he changed his mind after he saw how many refugees pledged to terrorist groups like Al-Nusra and ISIS.
As a Christian he didn’t feel safe among them in Austria and he had to keep his faith a secret or it could cost him his life. Haddad says extremists wanted to change churches into mosques and he had to talk like them to survive.
After he contacted the Austrian authorities about it, they didn’t take him seriously. That was the moment he decided to leave and now he lives in Syria again.
Haddad warns Europe and says “it’s not good that Europe is open to allâ€. “ISIS and Al-Nusra want to destroy everything, even with you. If you do not understand that, I’m pessimistic for the future of Europe,†he says.
He wasn't willing to work for 5 Euros per hour unlike the other imported poor people?
Quote from: Baruch on March 11, 2018, 07:36:42 AM
He wasn't willing to work for 5 Euros per hour unlike the other imported poor people?
No dear.
He (a Christian) runs away from ISIS but they followed him to Germany.
Now that most of them are in Germany, he thinks it is safer to get back to Syria.
Why work for 5 Euros an hour anyway, when a "refugee" can live without work at all?
Most refugees to be jobless for years, German minister warns (https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f)
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2018, 10:35:16 AM
No dear.
He (a Christian) runs away from ISIS but they followed him to Germany.
Now that most of them are in Germany, he thinks it is safer to get back to Syria.
Why work for 5 Euros an hour anyway, when a "refugee" can live without work at all?
Most refugees to be jobless for years, German minister warns (https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f)
Do any Germans really work for a living, or just live off of mercantilism against the rest of Europe? If the average wage across Europe, including Russia, is 5 Euros per hour, then in solidarity, the Germans should accept the same low wage. We can't all be Tory bankers working in The City Of London (original multinational corp).
No, I don't think 2 million refugees came into Europe, just to follow one Syrian Christian, that would be paranoid. They should give German voting rights to the refugees, so they can help get Merkel re-elected. That is how it works in California ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on March 11, 2018, 11:09:13 AM
Do any Germans really work for a living, or just live off of mercantilism against the rest of Europe? If the average wage across Europe, including Russia, is 5 Euros per hour, then in solidarity, the Germans should accept the same low wage. We can't all be Tory bankers working in The City Of London (original multinational corp).
No, I don't think 2 million refugees came into Europe, just to follow one Syrian Christian, that would be paranoid. They should give German voting rights to the refugees, so they can help get Merkel re-elected. That is how it works in California ;-)
What do YOU earn per hour in terms of Euros?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 12, 2018, 04:21:45 AM
What do YOU earn per hour in terms of Euros?
Euros are also worth ... nothing. All fiat is worth nothing. So in Euros or Dollars ... I earn nothing.
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 07:06:27 AM
Euros are also worth ... nothing. All fiat is worth nothing. So in Euros or Dollars ... I earn nothing.
Invested in gold? Or bitcoins...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 12, 2018, 07:48:44 AM
Invested in gold? Or bitcoins...
I expect all your money is in T-bills. The Chinese used to use dried tea bricks in Inner Mongolia as money. Not the same kind of T-bills.
All value is fiat, Baruch. I've stated this many times before. Value is invented by humans and assigned by humans. It has no more meaning than any other human construct. Therefore, either there are some human constructs that nonetheless have meaning (at least to humans), or none do. Ergo, whether you invest in bitcoins, T-bills, or even good old fashioned gold, it all represents wealth in some way, or it's all a pile of nothing.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 12, 2018, 06:42:52 PM
All value is fiat, Baruch. I've stated this many times before. Value is invented by humans and assigned by humans. It has no more meaning than any other human construct. Therefore, either there are some human constructs that nonetheless have meaning (at least to humans), or none do. Ergo, whether you invest in bitcoins, T-bills, or even good old fashioned gold, it all represents wealth in some way, or it's all a pile of nothing.
I will ask you that, when you are tied down, without food or water for awhile, if food or water are valuable to you or not. All economy is based on food and water ... without that, your GDP, in any unit of currency, is worthless. Lets see how well a materialist nihilist does then?
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
I will ask you that, when you are tied down, without food or water for awhile, if food or water are valuable to you or not. All economy is based on food and water ... without that, your GDP, in any unit of currency, is worthless. Lets see how well a materialist nihilist does then?
Even without food and water, we humans assign values. A restriction, like being in an arid desert or being tied down or whatever, doesn't change that. It would only change what we value it, against abundance of food and water. No one is saying they have intrinsic values, I'm pretty sure we can agree that the values we assign are fluid and situation-sensitive.
I'm used to say that we work to keep a roof above our heads, clothes to wear, a bed to sleep in and food in our bellies. Everything else is luxuries, which I know all to well growing up poor and going to bed hungry. And money is just a medium to maintain that, nothing more. Fiat or otherwise.
Money in various forms is useful, but not if people lose "faith" in it ...
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/hyperinflation-weimar-republic-1922/
Since none of you are faith based ... you shouldn't believe in money either.
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
I will ask you that, when you are tied down, without food or water for awhile, if food or water are valuable to you or not.
Of course it's valuable. To me. There's a human being in the mix. Nice try.
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Money in various forms is useful, but not if people lose "faith" in it ...
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/hyperinflation-weimar-republic-1922/
Since none of you are faith based ... you shouldn't believe in money either.
The bills are quite real, and people tend to exchange it for stuff with utility to my survival and comfort. I'd be a fool not to use it, and not acknowledge its power over people, just like how the concept of god has power over people.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 12, 2018, 11:45:59 PM
Of course it's valuable. To me. There's a human being in the mix. Nice try.
The bills are quite real, and people tend to exchange it for stuff with utility to my survival and comfort. I'd be a fool not to use it, and not acknowledge its power over people, just like how the concept of god has power over people.
So you used the BS money, but won't use the BS god? Inconsistent much? Or is money = god ... seems to be in the US of Satan.
Quote from: Baruch on March 13, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
So you used the BS money, but won't use the BS god? Inconsistent much?
I do not find the BS god to be useful for its stated purpose, unlike money. I can actually use money to buy useful stuff. God, as an actual exant being capable of concrete action and creation, rather than a concept people believe to be true... not so much. That is the difference.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 14, 2018, 07:20:31 PM
I do not find the BS god to be useful for its stated purpose, unlike money. I can actually use money to buy useful stuff. God, as an actual exant being capable of concrete action and creation, rather than a concept people believe to be true... not so much. That is the difference.
If religious people would, like Eskimo are supposed to do, offer their wives to you for hospitality sex, would you take them up on it? If they do that, it is probably for some BS religious reason.
Lots of people believe lots of crap, it is OK if you believe some crap too, because that is how people roll.
well Pat Robertson and Benny Hinn found the BS god to useful to collect a whole lot of BS money.
I never met a store that wouldn't take USD in exchange for their goods. And I never met a store that would take religious quotes for anything they offerred for sale.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:13:12 AM
I never met a store that wouldn't take USD in exchange for their goods. And I never met a store that would take religious quotes for anything they offerred for sale.
Fools born every minute. But not everyone is foolish about the same things. Multiculturalism cough, cough ...
You have to provide dollars to the tax man. If you don't they put you in prison. Nothing in society is free of government. And government is based on coercion. There are no free people, except billionaires in NZ or Paraguayan bunkers.
Quote from: Baruch on March 14, 2018, 07:30:46 PM
If religious people would, like Eskimo are supposed to do, offer their wives to you for hospitality sex, would you take them up on it?
Why do you assume that I would find said wives at all desirable?
Quote from: Baruch on March 14, 2018, 07:30:46 PM
Lots of people believe lots of crap, it is OK if you believe some crap too, because that is how people roll.
Be discriminating in your belief in crap, then.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 15, 2018, 09:52:36 AM
Why do you assume that I would find said wives at all desirable?
Be discriminating in your belief in crap, then.
If you insult the Eskimo husband, he knows a polar bear who would like to give you a bear hug ;-)
I do discriminate, particularly in regards to you ;-))
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 15, 2018, 09:52:36 AM
Why do you assume that I would find said wives at all desirable?
Be discriminating in your belief in crap, then.
Relax Miko, Baruch lives to offend... It never means he is right.
Quote from: Baruch on March 15, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
If you insult the Eskimo husband, he knows a polar bear who would like to give you a bear hug ;-)
You weren't talking about Eskimos, only theorizing about what I would do if religious people had a wife-sharing custom like they're
supposed to have. Looks like your Alzheimer's is flaring up again.
Quote from: Baruch on March 15, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
I do discriminate, particularly in regards to you ;-))
You've chosen poorly, then. (Hint, look up 'discriminating (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=discriminating)'.)
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:14:03 PM
Relax Miko, Baruch lives to offend... It never means he is right.
I am, actually, relaxed. Just because I don't explicitly put on smiley faces doesn't mean I'm not actually amused.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 15, 2018, 05:57:29 PM
You weren't talking about Eskimos, only theorizing about what I would do if religious people had a wife-sharing custom like they're supposed to have. Looks like your Alzheimer's is flaring up again.
You've chosen poorly, then. (Hint, look up 'discriminating (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=discriminating)'.)
I am, actually, relaxed. Just because I don't explicitly put on smiley faces doesn't mean I'm not actually amused.
Baruch's purpose is just to goad and annoy atheists and everyone else too. Just put him on your ignore list...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 06:08:33 PM
Baruch's purpose is just to goad and annoy atheists and everyone else too. Just put him on your ignore list...
Yes, that's what he's devolved into. He's still an amusing playtoy. When he starts to bore me, then I'll put him on my ignore list.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 15, 2018, 06:12:01 PM
Yes, that's what he's devolved into. He's still an amusing playtoy. When he starts to bore me, then I'll put him on my ignore list.
Well, enjoy playing with him. But keep in mind you will never get a straight answer to any question from him.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 15, 2018, 06:12:01 PM
Yes, that's what he's devolved into. He's still an amusing playtoy. When he starts to bore me, then I'll put him on my ignore list.
You have done so for months at a time. I always wonder why you return?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 06:17:42 PM
Well, enjoy playing with him. But keep in mind you will never get a straight answer to any question from him.
In bizarro world, straight looks crooked to y'all.
Quote from: Baruch on March 15, 2018, 07:29:01 PM
You have done so for months at a time. I always wonder why you return?
I know this is kind of late, but I have never put you on my ignore list. Not once. There was only one person that ever came off my ignore list, and you are not that person.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 14, 2018, 07:20:31 PM
I do not find the BS god to be useful for its stated purpose, unlike money. I can actually use money to buy useful stuff. God, as an actual exant being capable of concrete action and creation, rather than a concept people believe to be true... not so much. That is the difference.
Because you are too proud, to join Jerry Falwell in sin? Yes, feel the virtue signaling. So Puritan.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on March 20, 2018, 06:57:06 PM
I know this is kind of late, but I have never put you on my ignore list. Not once. There was only one person that ever came off my ignore list, and you are not that person.
Your ignore list is your concern, But Burach deserves a response and I will construct one now. It may take some time.
Why I do not like Burach:
1. He mostly answers questions by evasion, bad jokes or cherry-picking phrases.
2, He is easily intelligent enough to do better, but won't. And I dislike it when people do not rise to the level of their abilities.
3. He draws everyone into petty and silly arguments that have no connection to either atheism or the topic under discussion.
4. He is not an atheist.
If I spent another hour sitting and thinking, I'm sure there would be a 5 and 6, but this will suffice for now.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 21, 2018, 12:40:37 AM
Why I do not like Burach:
1. He mostly answers questions by evasion, bad jokes or cherry-picking phrases.
2, He is easily intelligent enough to do better, but won't. And I dislike it when people do not rise to the level of their abilities.
3. He draws everyone into petty and silly arguments that have no connection to either atheism or the topic under discussion.
4. He is not an atheist.
If I spent another hour sitting and thinking, I'm sure there would be a 5 and 6, but this will suffice for now.
1. I am uninhibited, mostly
2. You are not my daddy or my teacher, but I still respect you in the morning
3. Playing 11-dimensional chess like Obama, you can always make the rules on your own site
4. Freethinker ... not dogmatic ... though some here use dog avatars
No-true-atheist ... like in no-true-Scotsman? Yes, an other irrelevant comment (not).
Quote from: Baruch on March 20, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
Because you are too proud, to join Jerry Falwell in sin? Yes, feel the virtue signaling. So Puritan.
No, because I do not find God to be useful for its intended purpose: to be a magic genie that will give you the stuff you want, and to be an explanation for things we want to know about.
Don't know how you call this virtue signalling.
Quote from: Baruch on March 21, 2018, 07:16:23 AM
1. I am uninhibited, mostly
2. You are not my daddy or my teacher, but I still respect you in the morning
3. Playing 11-dimensional chess like Obama, you can always make the rules on your own site
4. Freethinker ... not dogmatic ... though some here use dog avatars
No-true-atheist ... like in no-true-Scotsman? Yes, an other irrelevant comment (not).
And that seems sufficient to my point.
1 is irrelevent, 2, 3, and 4 make little sense.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 23, 2018, 02:12:43 AM
And that seems sufficient to my point.
1 is irrelevent, 2, 3, and 4 make little sense.
Thus we agree to differ. Being different people, that is normal.
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 01:17:39 PM
I expect all your money is in T-bills. The Chinese used to use dried tea bricks in Inner Mongolia as money. Not the same kind of T-bills.
Nope index stocks all the way. Let it RIDE!
Quote from: Cavebear on March 23, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
Nope index stocks all the way. Let it RIDE!
So, you keep all your financial records on index cards? How 20th century! Remember Bronco Billy ... sometimes the bronco wins. Particularly if you mistake a bull for a bronco ;-)