As if his energy policies alone weren't enough to make me realize this guy is the worst man for the job:
QuoteEnvironmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt dismissed evolution as an unproven theory, lamented that “minority religions†were pushing Christianity out of “the public square†and advocated amending the Constitution to ban abortion, prohibit same-sex marriage and protect the Pledge of Allegiance and the Ten Commandments, according to a newly unearthed series of Oklahoma talk radio shows from 2005.
Quote“There aren’t sufficient scientific facts to establish the theory of evolution, and it deals with the origins of man, which is more from a philosophical standpoint than a scientific standpoint,†Pruitt said on an Oklahoma radio program in 2005.
â€" POLITICO (@politico) March 2, 2018
QuoteRepublicans in Congress defended Pruitt, saying his religious beliefs should factor into how he does his job.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/02/scott-pruitt-epa-evolution-theory-abortion-gay-marriage-433284
Granted, this is a super old interview, but jeez, what kind of moron looks at this guy and thinks, "Yep, this is the best guy for the job" and what sort of ultramorons rubber-stamp this poor judgment call? (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/17/us/politics/live-congress-votes-scott-pruitt-epa.html) Something to bear in mind next election.
Washington DC is like a roach motel, grifters check in, but don't check out. Under Obama we had a wave of Alinsky lib-tards head for the Holy Land for Kenyan redemption. Same deal under Trump, conserva-tards head to the Swamp.
So why is anyone surprised? I would take Putin as President any day over our current choices.
This kind of Republican stupidity is why I vote Blue.
Making America groan again. Can we survive as a nation for much longer?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 07, 2018, 01:56:31 PM
Making America groan again. Can we survive as a nation for much longer?
USA should have been stopped by King George. Too bad he wasn't well at the time. Instead of using N America as an open air prison for British losers (because Australia wasn't available yet, and Canada (prison) was newly opened) ... he should have started the first FEMA camp, run by Native guards.
Why are americans so hung up on abortion? It's a debate that was pretty much resolved in the civilised world decades ago.
It's a hot-button issue the political right uses to manipulate the religious right. That's why it won't be resolved any time soon, since if it were resolved it would no longer be a useful tool for the GOP.
Quote from: Jason78 on March 10, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
Why are americans so hung up on abortion? It's a debate that was pretty much resolved in the civilised world decades ago.
Americans aren't civilized ... you have to be European Labor Party to be civilized ;-)
Quote from: Jason78 on March 10, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
Why are americans so hung up on abortion? It's a debate that was pretty much resolved in the civilised world decades ago.
Because it's not resolved.
Quote from: Mermaid on March 11, 2018, 10:40:29 AM
Because it's not resolved.
In politics, nothing is ever resolved. If things were, we could get rid of political parties, and stop having elections ... but that would be against the interests of the political class.
The US Right-wingers settle on agreeing on some issues like anti-abortion under any circumstances, guns of all kinds for all forever, and States' Rights when they go their way but against them when they don't because that is all they have to hold them together.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 12, 2018, 02:02:47 AM
The US Right-wingers settle on agreeing on some issues like anti-abortion under any circumstances, guns of all kinds for all forever, and States' Rights when they go their way but against them when they don't because that is all they have to hold them together.
Dems have ... make all people equal, equal in height, equal in weight, equal in income, equal ....
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 06:44:03 AM
Dems have ... make all people equal, equal in height, equal in weight, equal in income, equal ....
Nope, not in any way. People can be themselves. Tall short, heavy, light, male female etc. And I will again request that you use the correct term of Democrats and Democratic, as I correctly refer civilly to Republicans and Republican.
You can at least discuss things in civil terms I hope.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 12, 2018, 07:28:06 AM
Nope, not in any way. People can be themselves. Tall short, heavy, light, male female etc. And I will again request that you use the correct term of Democrats and Democratic, as I correctly refer civilly to Republicans and Republican.
You can at least discuss things in civil terms I hope.
I use "shit" as my preferred designation for both parties, but I don't want to melt any snowflakes here. You are civil, as in civil war against anyone south of NYC.
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
I use "shit" as my preferred designation for both parties, but I don't want to melt any snowflakes here. You are civil, as in civil war against anyone south of NYC.
I had a co-worker like you once. He was utterly pro-confederacy, "lost cause", bizarrely religious, neo-nazi, and immune to logic.
Religious belief is a vaccination against logic.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
It's a hot-button issue the political right uses to manipulate the religious right. That's why it won't be resolved any time soon, since if it were resolved it would no longer be a useful tool for the GOP.
Precisely why they never do anything final about abortion when they have control: they need the issue as a live issue to keep the base stirred up. Think about how often they've had control of the White House and both houses of Congress since 2001, and they've failed every time to use that majority to act. The same thing applies to the ACA: how many times did Congress vote to defund it while Obama was in office, and now that their man is in, they can'tâ€"or more accurately, they won't dare because they need it to be one of their Big Scary Things.
Notice that not many of them speak out about equal marriage anymore; it loses them more votes than it gains among independents, so they don't press the issue outside of districts where they need to get the knuckle-draggers out to vote. If abortion becomes a net vote loser, they'll drop it too.
Quote from: trdsf on March 12, 2018, 03:07:26 PM
Notice that not many of them speak out about equal marriage anymore; it loses them more votes than it gains among independents, so they don't press the issue outside of districts where they need to get the knuckle-draggers out to vote. If abortion becomes a net vote loser, they'll drop it too.
I'd probably like them more if their principles were wrong but heartfelt rather than a means to cynically manipulate idiots.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 12, 2018, 03:33:54 PM
I'd probably like them more if their principles were wrong but heartfelt rather than a means to cynically manipulate idiots.
Pretty much. Our GOP Senator was one of the first Repubs to switch his position to being for equal marriageâ€"but only
after his son came out. Two
years after his son came out. I consider that more selfish than enlightened. It was all "No, no, no, no, no, no… oh, wait, this actually affects my family? Then yes."
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 12, 2018, 02:03:32 PM
Religious belief is a vaccination against logic.
You are a papermache Marx Head on a book shelf. Not very Vulcan of you.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 12, 2018, 01:47:32 PM
I had a co-worker like you once. He was utterly pro-confederacy, "lost cause", bizarrely religious, neo-nazi, and immune to logic.
Pro-Confederacy? Hardly. At least I am not a John Brown terrorist still wanting to send all the Southern folk to hell and damnation (because a minority owned slaves).
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 07:21:46 PM
You are a papermache Marx Head on a book shelf. Not very Vulcan of you.
Live long, and prosper.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 12, 2018, 07:30:16 PM
Live long, and prosper.
Ah, but Leonard Nimoy got his "alienation" from growing up Jewish in Pittsburg. My encounter group in counseling warned me ... "You are not Spock" ... and eventually I cured myself of that particular delusion. One Medieval French king thought he was made of glass, so moved very carefully. As a papermache Marx head, do you stay away from open flames ... Twitter in particular?
Yeah, no flame wars for me!
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 12, 2018, 07:39:32 PM
Yeah, no flame wars for me!
What goes with that Vulcan sign ...
May Adonai bless you and guard you â€"
×™Ö°×'ָרֶכְךָ ×™×"ו×", וְיִשְ×מְרֶךָ‬
(YevhÄrÄ"kh-khÄ AdhÅnÄy veyishmerÄ"khÄ ...)
May Adonai make His face shed light upon you and be gracious unto you â€"
×™Ö¸×ֵר ×™×"ו×" ×¤Ö¸Ö¼× Ö¸×™×• ×ֵלֶיךָ, ×•Ö´×™×—Ö»× Ö¶Ö¼×šÖ¸Ö¼â€¬
("YÄʾÄ"r AdhÅnÄy pÄnÄw Ä"lekhÄ viḥunnékkÄ ...)
May Adonai lift up His face unto you and give you peace â€"
יִשָּ×,× ×™×"ו×" ×¤Ö¸Ö¼× Ö¸×™×• ×ֵלֶיךָ, וְיָשֵ×,× ×œÖ°×šÖ¸ שָ×לוֹ×‬
("YissÄ AdhÅnÄy pÄnÄw Ä"lekhÄ viyÄsÄ"m lekhÄ shÄlÅm.")
Except you do it with both hands, and you are supposed to be a blood descended Kohen, giving this blessing to the laity in an Orthodox synagogue.
Quote from: trdsf on March 12, 2018, 03:07:26 PM
Precisely why they never do anything final about abortion when they have control: they need the issue as a live issue to keep the base stirred up. Think about how often they've had control of the White House and both houses of Congress since 2001, and they've failed every time to use that majority to act. The same thing applies to the ACA: how many times did Congress vote to defund it while Obama was in office, and now that their man is in, they can'tâ€"or more accurately, they won't dare because they need it to be one of their Big Scary Things.
Notice that not many of them speak out about equal marriage anymore; it loses them more votes than it gains among independents, so they don't press the issue outside of districts where they need to get the knuckle-draggers out to vote. If abortion becomes a net vote loser, they'll drop it too.
Yeah, the far right wants issues left unresolved to keep their base stirred to anger.
I want rational discussion to resolve issues. But it take both sides to do that. And if they find it politically useful to never resolve the issues, only one side is to blame.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:48:01 AM
Yeah, the far right wants issues left unresolved to keep their base stirred to anger.
I want rational discussion to resolve issues. But it take both sides to do that. And if they find it politically useful to never resolve the issues, only one side is to blame.
Wrong species. Don't hold your breath.