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Title: Brave new world?
Post by: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 12:37:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzqT8pJiz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU7D0R5DgKE

This New Law in Canada Could Remove Kids From Parents Who Reject Transgender Ideology (http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/27/new-law-canada-remove-kids-parents-reject-transgender-ideology/)

QuoteCanada’s most populous province, Ontario, just passed a law that could allow the government to remove kids from their home if their parents oppose the new transgender ideology.

Could there be anything more terrifying for parents than that?

It’s not hard to see why the passage of Bill 89 captured the attention of so many across the globe.

But how did this billâ€"which is about foster care and adoptionâ€"get caught up in politically correct ideologies about “gender identity” and “gender expression” in the first place?

It didn’t come out of nowhere.

Ontario has passed five gender laws in the past five years, few of which received much media attention or even opposition in the legislature. Bill 89 is the latest in this litany of bad legislation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzXW4pHs6uk
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Shiranu on March 05, 2018, 01:01:43 AM
For those of you crazy enough to actually read the entire bill, here it is.

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?BillID=4479&locale=en (http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?BillID=4479&locale=en)

What the right-wing is focusing on is a section within the bill that allows the state to get involved in instances where, "...the child identifies as one gender and the caregiver denies them the right to do so." Note that while they are focused on gender, the law itself (Bill 89, section 74[1-2]) covers sexuality, religion, race and other aspects of the child's identity.

Additionally it has to be more than just a caregiver denying recognition of their gender (or sexuality, religion, or whatever). To first even be considered for government intervention, their has to be sufficient evidence of abuse of potential of abuse of the child. This includes...

- The child has suffered physical harm, either through direct violence or through negligence, by the caregiver.
- Their is probable chances the child will be at risk of physical harm, either through direct violence or through negligence, from the caregiver.
- The child has been sexually abused or sexually exploited by the caregiver.
- The child is having medical treatment withheld by the caregiver.
- The child has been diagnosed with severe cases of mental harm, including depression, anxiety, withdraw and self-destructive behaviour.

I could go on, but you get the point.

What pr, and the right wing, are flipping out about now is essentially the state saying it has the right to come into households (in the bill they are whining about, foster homes) and remove kids from situations where the adults are abusing them for their sexual identity, gender identity, religious identity, racial identity.

Pr is literally saying that it is a liberal conspiracy to destroy our culture, and a travesty that children are being protected from abuse by, more often than not, religious fundamentalists that are violently intolerant of anything that their religion doesn't approve of. I hope the humour of that doesn't go over anyone but his head...


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To get away from pr for a second and actually discuss the bill, while this is considered one of the most comprehensive overhauls of child protection services in Canada, it is still considered a flop of a bill by child protection activists, who say there is too much legal jargon and wiggle room that will allow countless kids to continue to be abused and just issues that are completely left out that really need to be addressed.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Shiranu on March 05, 2018, 01:06:28 AM
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/78yz3y/heres-the-new-bill-canadas-far-right-is-freaking-out-about (https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/78yz3y/heres-the-new-bill-canadas-far-right-is-freaking-out-about)

Vice's article on the issue.


Quote"It is a bill that completely lacks courage," Gharabaghi said. "In every section it builds in limitations that suggest this is what we are hoping for, but it's OK if it doesn't happen. Everything is 'should be,' 'may be,' 'could be,' 'ought to be,' 'where appropriate,' 'if necessary.' "


[/size]That's the real problem with making attempts to work up the crowd into a frothy frenzy of anger over easily exploited prejudicesâ€"in the midst of all the shouting we miss the actual things that should be remedied.

Incidentally, it does mention that it is mostly just a way for far-right sites to whip people up in a frenzy by focusing on the protection it provides transgendered individuals... and this isn't the first time pr has said some very borderline anti-transgendered things. I cant help but wonder if he hates transgendered people, or if he is just told to do so...
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 02:54:04 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on March 05, 2018, 01:01:43 AM

What pr, and the right wing, are flipping out about now is essentially the state saying it has the right to come into households (in the bill they are whining about, foster homes) and remove kids from situations where the adults are abusing them for their sexual identity, gender identity, religious identity, racial identity.

Pr is literally saying that it is a liberal conspiracy to destroy our culture, and a travesty that children are being protected from abuse by, more often than not, religious fundamentalists that are violently intolerant of anything that their religion doesn't approve of. I hope the humour of that doesn't go over anyone but his head...

PR will hardly even notice what you posted.  But others of us did...  Well said.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 04:21:43 AM
QuotePr is literally saying that it is a liberal conspiracy to destroy our culture, and a travesty that children are being protected from abuse by, more often than not, religious fundamentalists that are violently intolerant of anything that their religion doesn't approve of. I hope the humour of that doesn't go over anyone but his head...

Infecting small children with transgender ideology (a new concept that did not exist a short while ago) that one can change gender, sex, race at whim, with no regard of future problems that it will create is, in my opinion,  child abuse.

And parents should have no say in this? 

How far will you go with this insanity?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLeWCCBepqQ




Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 04:28:30 AM
Quote from: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 04:21:43 AM
Infecting small children with transgender ideology (a new concept that did not exist a short while ago) that one can change gender, sex, race at whim, with no regard of future problems that it will create is, in my opinion,  child abuse.

And parents should have no say in this? 

How far will you go with this insanity?

"Infecting" is an interesting phrase that says a lot about how you think.

And the connection to changing RACE "at will" says a lot too.  Have you considered therapy?

Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 04:30:57 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 04:28:30 AM
"Infecting" is an interesting phrase that says a lot about how you think.

And the connection to changing RACE "at will" says a lot too.  Have you considered therapy?



How about if I change the word "infecting" to indoctrinating?

Is race interchangeable now?

You mean by therapy Marxist indoctrination? No, thanks. It will never work.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 04:35:26 AM
Quote from: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 04:30:57 AM
How about if I change the word "infecting" to indoctrinating?

Is race interchangeable now?

You mean by therapy Marxist indoctrination? No, thanks.

Well, you DID say "infecting".  So you had best defend that one first.  We can discuss the fiction of "race" later.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 04:58:13 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 04:35:26 AM
Well, you DID say "infecting".  So you had best defend that one first.  We can discuss the fiction of "race" later.
No, I will keep “infecting”. It is correct.
No different from infecting the mind with religion. A mind virus.
Same intent, different ideology.

Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 05:06:22 AM
Quote from: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 04:58:13 AM
No, I will keep “infecting”. It is correct.
No different from infecting the mind with religion. Same intent, different ideology.

What makes you think children are "infected" by some transgender virus?  Do you somehow imagine that liberal parents WANT their children to struggle with gender-identity issues? 
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 05:33:37 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 05:06:22 AM
What makes you think children are "infected" by some transgender virus?  Do you somehow imagine that liberal parents WANT their children to struggle with gender-identity issues? 

Good question.

Where are the children getting the idea/concept of transgenderism from in the first place?

Not from the [normal] parents.

There are some "liberal" indoctrinated parents who themselves promote this.
It is still child abuse. 

Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 05:39:14 AM
Quote from: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 05:33:37 AM
Good question.

Where are the children getting the idea/concept of transgenderism from in the first place?

Not from the [normal] parents.

There are some "liberal" indoctrinated parents who themselves promote this.
It is still child abuse.

From their inner selves.  I don't know of any parents who encourage their children to undergo the struggle of transgender transition.  But I do know a lot of people like you who make it as hard as possible.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 05:52:00 AM
QuoteFrom their inner selves.
Really? No "help" at all?
You do realize how small children can be influenced, especially by someone in authority? Such as teacher, parent?

How come this was not an epidemic a few years back?
Did you have such thoughts in your childhood? Anyone you grew up with?
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:03:23 AM
Quote from: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 05:33:37 AM
Good question.

Where are the children getting the idea/concept of transgenderism from in the first place?

Not from the [normal] parents.

There are some "liberal" indoctrinated parents who themselves promote this.
It is still child abuse.

pr126 - Being gay, trans etc ... in the US, is a part of politics.  Pushing ideas is political, manipulation.  Over in Britain, are you being manipulated?  By who, and why?  Soros?

Cavebear ... if people believe in it then it is real to them (that is how I take gay or trans).  Almost all humans believe in race (I agree it is nonsense).  Just like most people believe in religion or politics (and both are mostly nonsense).  It is typical of people here (the Brites) that they won't acknowledge the majority opinion (as the vanguard of the Revolution, how could they?).
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 06:09:49 AM
Not me personally. I hardly leave home. (health problems).

But we do have this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B60ZMeAIUAAk6y-.jpg)

In the case of Europe, it is Islam.

I have mentioned this before. I am from Hungary. I know totalitarianism when I see it.

Hint: Victor Orban.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:10:08 AM
Quote from: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 05:33:37 AM
Good question.

Where are the children getting the idea/concept of transgenderism from in the first place?

Not from the [normal] parents.

There are some "liberal" indoctrinated parents who themselves promote this.
It is still child abuse.

How could Revolutionaries, who are parents, go wrong?  I am sure in the near past, being a Revolutionary, would be enough to get your children put into child protective custody.  So of course, turn about is fair play.  R and L both agree ... believe what we tell you to believe, do what we tell you to do, or we will shoot you (see video of son who denounced mother).
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:32:14 AM
I haven't the ones yet...
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:35:12 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:32:14 AM
I haven't the ones yet...

Parenting is the most important thing anyone can choose to do (but no knock on those who never had the opportunity).  Marriage is the second most important thing anyone can choose to do (but no knock on those who never had the opportunity ... and yes, cohabiting is marriage).  On the other hand, you have avoided an endless stream of worry (for spouse and children).  Cats are enough.  My three owners are still negotiating on how to best manage me.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 05, 2018, 06:37:32 AM
Quote from: pr126 on March 05, 2018, 05:52:00 AM
Really? No "help" at all?
You do realize how small children can be influenced, especially by someone in authority? Such as teacher, parent?

How come this was not an epidemic a few years back?
Did you have such thoughts in your childhood? Anyone you grew up with?

Why do you call it an epidemic?
Genuine question.  I haven't researched the subject myself, because I don't really care about it at all.
And I would expect a rise of self-expressed transgenders as society becomes more accepting of it. Though that would't mean there are more actual transgenders. Just like how more people coming out as gay doesn't mean 'gayness' is spreading. It just means more people dare to come out as such. Now if you could find that it skyrockets and suddenly like 25% or more (or so)of children declare to be of opposite gender to their sex, then I'd agree this is a strange occurance warrenting more investigation. If it's a rise of .5% to .8%, then it's hardly an epidemic.

Transgenders are still pretty rare, I think. Sure, you have an entire sub-tumblr of Xer's and Xir's. But that's hardly representative. I think a major part of why this might look like an epidemic is because it gets a lot more exposure. I mean, for instance, if it weren't for your posts, I'd hardly ever see anything about this stuff. Other than hearing the occasional famous person has decided to change sex at a later age.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:39:15 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:35:12 AM
Parenting is the most important thing anyone can choose to do (but no knock on those who never had the opportunity).  Marriage is the second most important thing anyone can choose to do (but no knock on those who never had the opportunity ... and yes, cohabiting is marriage).  On the other hand, you have avoided an endless stream of worry (for spouse and children).  Cats are enough.  My three owners are still negotiating on how to best manage me.

I disagree completely.  Self-management is the key to life.  If you can't manage yourself, you can't manage squat.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:40:11 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:39:15 AM
I disagree completely.  Self-management is the key to life.  If you can't manage yourself, you can't manage squat.

Your cats have a different opinion ;-)
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:44:58 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:40:11 AM
Your cats have a different opinion ;-)

Well, since you don't know my cats, it is unlikely that you can have any RATIONAL opinion on what they think.

But quite frankly, I would rather read a single sensible post from you that all the jokes you can muster.  You have the potential, but resist it.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:46:33 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:44:58 AM
Well, since you don't know my cats, it is unlikely that you can have any RATIONAL opinion on what they think.

But quite frankly, I would rather read a single sensible post from you that all the jokes you can muster.  You have the potential, but resist it.

Your cats, and my cats aren't joking.
Title: Re: Brave new world?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:48:38 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:46:33 AM
Your cats, and my cats aren't joking.

This deserves no response.  Baruch, you are just simply getting too weird and useless.  Please stop.