I listened to a podcast with historian and political commentator Niall Ferguson and thought he had an interesting take on the Trump presidency. He imagines the consequences had Hillary Clinton won. He states that Trump’s win provided catharsis for the most disgruntled people in the US and that if Clinton had won the claims that the election had been rigged, which Trump prepared the ground for, would have appeared validated. He believes “the familiar cast of characters from Clintonworld†would have reappeared confirming the narrative that “the elites†are in charge. He speculates there would be an avalanche of fake news regarding the election and that demonstrations in the US would have been much uglier than the Women’s March. He also points out that with a Republican-controlled Congress government would be instantly gridlocked and it is unknown how members of Congress would respond to a base that is literally up in arms. With either president, the nation would be in conflict.
Ferguson believes that ultimately it will be better for liberals that Trump won and got his chance to be president. He insists Trump isn’t a fascist, he is populist and historically populists don’t last long because when they get into office they typically can’t fulfill their promises. Trump sold the idea that he was a man of the people who would “make American great again†and help struggling Americans, but his policies are primarily benefiting corporations and the wealthy. Americans may realize that with curtailed immigration, tariffs on imports and corporation making more money that their daily lives don’t improve, that they still are unhappy. Meanwhile, liberal media outlets have a surge in views, the Democratic party is awash in cash and more people on the left are energized.
I think he is onto something. Remembering back to how angry people were during the election I don’t think Trump supporters would have been gracious losers. If Trump can improve the lives of Americans in four years, great! And if he can’t and things are worse then perhaps voters will think twice before electing an unqualified “billionaire†celebrity to helm the country.
Either way, we'd still be a nation divided with a whole host of problems. And political gridlock is such a normal thing now that predicting it is a bit like predicting war in the middle east or the sun rising in the morning.
However, there are a few ways that I think a Clinton presidency would've diverged from a Trump presidency:
1) Much better appointees. These people would be at least partially capable of running the agencies they've been tasked with running.
2) Much better science/energy policies. Suffice it to say that crippling the EPA, pulling out of the Paris climate accords, taxing solar to death, recinding environmental regulations, and touting "beautiful, clean coal" would not be on Clinton's agenda.
3) Better relations with other countries. While we would doubtlessly be at loggerheads with Russia and North Korea, we wouldn't allienate our western allies nor "shithole" African/Caribbean countries.
4) modest change with regards to healthcare and minimum wage - bernie's main issues and areas where the dem base most desires change. True, political gridlock would stymie this, but it's likely that small changes would be underway.
I'm not going to hold my breath that America is going to improve or learn it's lesson. We already know Russia and the media are very intent on dividing our society and causing chaos through social media... and I don't see that situation improving any time soon.
There are legitimate divides in American society, and trump ripping them wider by the week isn't going to magically heal the moment someone of the opposite direction takes office. If anything, it will just regalvanize the opposite side.
It's society that is broken, as well as our politics. We have probably passed the point where one can fix the other.
While I think there is truth to this argument I don't see why anything will necessarily be different if Trump looses in 2020. True it will not be to Clinton so some of the built in Clinton-Conspiracy will not be there, but Trump giving in to some of his darker "deep-state"/rigged election paranoia while having his hands on the levers of power could be terrifying. Go back and replay some of Trump's greatest hits of 2016, but imagine he controlled the justice department.
I have actually been in agreement with this before I ever read it. I might be a little more cautious with the claims as I'm really bad at predicting outcomes. And now that I think about it, I'm certainly not convinced that Trump won't get a second term. I was not excited about Hillary as a candidate. I would have expected more of the same, and the same is not the direction I want to see the country go. Income inequality has been getting continually worse under Republican and Democratic leadership, with special bailouts that favor the elite. A Hillary presidency did not excite me. She is an integral part of the established power structure. But I doubt that Hillary would get another nomination, based on what I think was a lack of Democratic turnout. It's not like Democrats hated her, but she wasn't exciting enough to get the marginally disenfranchised to the polls. Much depends on who the Democrats field next time around.
I also think Democrats need to alter their identity politics approach, and support legislation that directly helps everyone rather than targets select groups. The redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy needs to end if they want to get constituents firmly committed and showing up at the polls.
Quote from: SGOS on March 01, 2018, 12:23:56 PMA Hillary presidency did not excite me.
Yeah, that was a common complaint prior to the election.
I'd like to sit down with everyone who espoused that sentiment and go over their thoughts on Trump: Year One and ask them how thrilled they are with that.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 01, 2018, 12:43:55 PM
Yeah, that was a common complaint prior to the election.
I'd like to sit down with everyone who espoused that sentiment and go over their thoughts on Trump: Year One and ask them how thrilled they are with that.
Well, I was talking with my brother over the weekend and he says he's "not proud" he voted for the Orange Disaster Area. He voted that way more for not liking Hillary than anything else, and some sympathy for the 'drain the swamp' message... although he's realized that you don't clean up a swamp by throwing shit into it.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 01, 2018, 11:41:46 AM
I listened to a podcast with historian and political commentator Niall Ferguson and thought he had an interesting take on the Trump presidency. He imagines the consequences had Hillary Clinton won. He states that Trump’s win provided catharsis for the most disgruntled people in the US and that if Clinton had won the claims that the election had been rigged, which Trump prepared the ground for, would have appeared validated. He believes “the familiar cast of characters from Clintonworld†would have reappeared confirming the narrative that “the elites†are in charge. He speculates there would be an avalanche of fake news regarding the election and that demonstrations in the US would have been much uglier than the Women’s March. He also points out that with a Republican-controlled Congress government would be instantly gridlocked and it is unknown how members of Congress would respond to a base that is literally up in arms. With either president, the nation would be in conflict.
Ferguson believes that ultimately it will be better for liberals that Trump won and got his chance to be president. He insists Trump isn’t a fascist, he is populist and historically populists don’t last long because when they get into office they typically can’t fulfill their promises. Trump sold the idea that he was a man of the people who would “make American great again†and help struggling Americans, but his policies are primarily benefiting corporations and the wealthy. Americans may realize that with curtailed immigration, tariffs on imports and corporation making more money that their daily lives don’t improve, that they still are unhappy. Meanwhile, liberal media outlets have a surge in views, the Democratic party is awash in cash and more people on the left are energized.
I think he is onto something. Remembering back to how angry people were during the election I don’t think Trump supporters would have been gracious losers. If Trump can improve the lives of Americans in four years, great! And if he can’t and things are worse then perhaps voters will think twice before electing an unqualified “billionaire†celebrity to helm the country.
Niall Ferguson though ... is Deep State. So examine very carefully anything he claims. Otherwise I would tend to agree vs Trump ... but D-party is smoking too much MJ, ever since 1968.
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2018, 12:58:57 PM
Well, I was talking with my brother over the weekend and he says he's "not proud" he voted for the Orange Disaster Area. He voted that way more for not liking Hillary than anything else, and some sympathy for the 'drain the swamp' message... although he's realized that you don't clean up a swamp by throwing shit into it.
Nuclear war with righteous Christian Russia ... will clear up the American swamp ... that has been the Deep State plan all along.
The other thing to keep in mind had Hillary taken office is that the congressional GOP would have essentially begun impeachment hearings on Jan 21, 2017. And had she done a tenth of the shit the Orange Disaster Area has, they would have put forth articles of impeachment by now.
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2018, 01:09:09 PM
The other thing to keep in mind had Hillary taken office is that the congressional GOP would have essentially begun impeachment hearings on Jan 21, 2017. And had she done a tenth of the shit the Orange Disaster Area has, they would have put forth articles of impeachment by now.
I recommend that technique ... should have been ongoing against any idiot elected as President, starting with Bill Clinton ;-) So much more entertaining than assassination or civil war.
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Nuclear war with righteous Christian Russia ... will clear up the American swamp ... that has been the Deep State plan all along.
A nuclear detonation is what most concerns me about Trump. With Putin unveiling his "invincible" nuclear missiles that can strike anywhere in the world and Trump being able to launch nukes without any process to intervene, things are troubling.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 01, 2018, 12:43:55 PM
Yeah, that was a common complaint prior to the election [Lack of enthusiasm for Hillary].
I'd like to sit down with everyone who espoused that sentiment and go over their thoughts on Trump: Year One and ask them how thrilled they are with that.
I would too. It goes without saying that they are disappointed with Trump. I'm guessing that some of the disenfranchised didn't show up at the polls because the assumption was that Hillary had it in the bag as all the polls predicted, but they just weren't excited enough about her to bother showing up to vote. I've only heard one pollster interviewed, but he supported that contention. His guess on why he got it wrong was that a lot of voters he polled said they were for Hillary, but their claims were not followed up by actual votes. His assumption was that this was true for other pollsters as well. This makes sense to me.
This is probably somewhat tangential to the question about what degree non voting Democrats feel personal remorse. Never-the-less, why voters didn't show up should be of the utmost importance to the Democratic Party for planning future strategies to excite their potential constituents.
As a side observation. We frequently hear strategists talking about the importance of getting their message out. I find this disturbing as the message is not as important as the actions taken while politicians are in office. To me, the message is just words, while legislative behavior is paramount. But I suppose for most voters, the message weighs heavily, and I think that can be verified by Trump's election. While his message was bullshit, it was very clear. And when I think back about Hillary, I can't remember what her message even was at the moment. I'd have to review parts of the campaign to identify what it was.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 01, 2018, 01:36:26 PM
A nuclear detonation is what most concerns me about Trump. With Putin unveiling his "invincible" nuclear missiles that can strike anywhere in the world and Trump being able to launch nukes without any process to intervene, things are troubling.
Launch! At most you will lose useless future opportunities to vote. You think that war-lord Hillary would do a Gandhi on Putin? Only death is invincible, leaders should remember that.
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2018, 06:38:42 PM
Launch! At most you will lose useless future opportunities to vote. You think that war-lord Hillary would do a Gandhi on Putin? Only death is invincible, leaders should remember that.
I don't think it is wise for any person to be able to singlehandedly detonate a nuclear weapon, but Donald Trump has demonstrated a pattern of behavior throughout his career that makes him a particularly poor choice for this unique responsibility.
The only one who can stop a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 02, 2018, 03:04:40 PM
The only one who can stop a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.
The only way to win is to not play the game. R vs D only differ on the lapel pin of the maniac who gets the launch codes ;-(
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 02, 2018, 02:49:00 PM
I don't think it is wise for any person to be able to singlehandedly detonate a nuclear weapon, but Donald Trump has demonstrated a pattern of behavior throughout his career that makes him a particularly poor choice for this unique responsibility.
No President can single handedly do anything today. Neither Trump nor Obama (a known warmonger). Fake news anyone? Kennedy could do that during the Cuban Missile Crisis because the military had jury rigged the not-yet complete Minuteman launch system. The rest of the nuclear triad was probably still under the two person rule. In the case of the Soviets, they had a two man rule also. Fortunately on the particular sub in question, the Soviets had the commander, as well as the captain and the commissar. The commander (the famous one) vetoed the nuclear torpedo launch that the captain and commissar had agreed to. After the crisis the Minuteman launch system was completed, under the two man rule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ox9wIZeZYg
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 02, 2018, 03:04:40 PM
The only one who can stop a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.
War. War never changes.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 02, 2018, 11:29:38 PM
War. War never changes.
Just say no ... if you are smart.
Quote from: Baruch on March 02, 2018, 11:33:21 PM
Just say no ... if you are smart.
Baruch, you need to play more games!
I think we can assume that a Hillary Clinton Administration would have had professional and experienced people in place who would have lasted more than a few months. They would have been recognized by our allies and people they could talk to professionally, and not driving every other leader in the world into thinking we were all crazy nuts.
Of course, they would only think that if we haven't elected a true insecure nut like Trump.
They would probably argue with Clinton as President, but, as an equal. The world wouldn't be perfect, but it wouldn't be going into trade wars, bizarre passivity toward Russia, China ascendent in Asia by the US withdrawing, etc.
It would be a safer, more rational diplomatic world...
So other world's leaders are victims of adultery by their spouse? Yuck!
Quote from: Baruch on March 03, 2018, 02:07:14 AM
So other world's leaders are victims of adultery by their spouse? Yuck!
I am beginning to think Baruch is some sort of bot or troll. His responses ALMOST connect to the subject, but not quite. I would put him on "ignore", but I can't get that to work, and the Admins can't seem to solve that problem yet.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 03, 2018, 03:01:25 AM
I am beginning to think Baruch is some sort of bot or troll. His responses ALMOST connect to the subject, but not quite. I would put him on "ignore", but I can't get that to work, and the Admins can't seem to solve that problem yet.
Sorry. My account has problems too ... I keep getting notices of responses to posts from last year. What you think doesn't matter, much, to me ... though in fact I like you. My last response was to someone complaining about whatever President Trump's sexual proclivities are ... which I doubt anyone here as ever show anything but partisanship on ... sexual predation seems a protected behavior, if you are a D party office holder, to people here.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 03, 2018, 01:46:39 PM
Yeah, it's still a racket.
Come on guys, the quote 'War. War never changes.' is a sentence used in all of the Fallout computer games.
That's news to me. Never have gotten to play any of those.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 03, 2018, 02:41:16 PM
That's news to me. Never have gotten to play any of those.
All of them are good--no, great! I have played them all many, many times. In total I must have dropped 10,000 hours into them combined.
Well, better you than me! :D
You must be an expert at them by now, since I've heard that to become an expert at something it takes about 10,000 hours of practice.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 03, 2018, 06:13:26 PM
Well, better you than me! :D
You must be an expert at them by now, since I've heard that to become an expert at something it takes about 10,000 hours of practice.
More like I'm easily entertained.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 03, 2018, 06:13:26 PM
Well, better you than me! :D
You must be an expert at them by now, since I've heard that to become an expert at something it takes about 10,000 hours of practice.
That is true, for expert level (5 man years of work). That is pretty much true in the regular education or work world. However, one can achieve "good enough for government work" levels with much less effort. My experience is that 30 mins per day consistently applied lets you learn productively. That would amount to less than 200 hours spread over a year. Not saying one should spend that much time on video games vs other things. Of course some subjects are much easier to be passable in, Esperanto is much easier than Mandarin.
Quote from: Baruch on March 03, 2018, 08:23:58 AM
Sorry. My account has problems too ... I keep getting notices of responses to posts from last year. What you think doesn't matter, much, to me ... though in fact I like you. My last response was to someone complaining about whatever President Trump's sexual proclivities are ... which I doubt anyone here as ever show anything but partisanship on ... sexual predation seems a protected behavior, if you are a D party office holder, to people here.
I dislike you. And I dislike you more and more as time goes on here. I would dislike you LESS if you made sensible responses to most posts. I don't see much evidence that you are able to, though. Your poor jesterly nonsense suggests you can't. Feel free to be more serious at any time.
And a good example of that its that you seem to think only Democrats are sexual predators. While I think there are no party politics involved, just a lot of real jerks. you want to assign it to a particular political view which is completely wrong. Assholes are everywhere.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 03:27:02 AM
I dislike you. And I dislike you more and more as time goes on here. I would dislike you LESS if you made sensible responses to most posts. I don't see much evidence that you are able to, though. Your poor jesterly nonsense suggests you can't. Feel free to be more serious at any time.
And a good example of that its that you seem to think only Democrats are sexual predators. While I think there are no party politics involved, just a lot of real jerks. you want to assign it to a particular political view which is completely wrong. Assholes are everywhere.
Exactly not ... George H W was a sexual predator too ... some say. But Bill Clinton and JFK are much more famous for it. If you knew someone was a sexual predator (say Weinstein) would you vote for them, for public office? Not saying that people voted for either example (I did vote for Bill Clinton once) with the knowledge of their predation, though perhaps the insiders did know.
But in the current Salem witch trials ... it does seem that D party supporters are taking the most heat. Would you ascribe that to character assassination by the Deep State? And it seems that this outrage can be turned on and off at will. It used to just be Bill Cosby. It can be used against anyone, including Trump. And no, I am not joking ... it seems that ambition and frustration is the death of civility in our society. Too many trillions at stake.
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 05:49:50 AM
Exactly not ... George H W was a sexual predator too ... some say. But Bill Clinton and JFK are much more famous for it. If you knew someone was a sexual predator (say Weinstein) would you vote for them, for public office? Not saying that people voted for either example (I did vote for Bill Clinton once) with the knowledge of their predation, though perhaps the insiders did know.
But in the current Salem witch trials ... it does seem that D party supporters are taking the most heat. Would you ascribe that to character assassination by the Deep State? And it seems that this outrage can be turned on and off at will. It used to just be Bill Cosby. It can be used against anyone, including Trump. And no, I am not joking ... it seems that ambition and frustration is the death of civility in our society. Too many trillions at stake.
A difference is that Democrats cast off the predators they learn about, while Republicans "circle the wagons". Note that I don't ascribe moral superiority to either side, just that they they react differently.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 03:58:45 PM
A difference is that Democrats cast off the predators they learn about, while Republicans "circle the wagons". Note that I don't ascribe moral superiority to either side, just that they they react differently.
Bill Clinton and the rest of perverted Clinton clan haven't been cast out ... they remain in the throne room.
So a guy gets a blow job, and suddenly he's a sexual predator? Must be a lot of those out there.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 05, 2018, 07:38:51 PM
So a guy gets a blow job, and suddenly he's a sexual predator? Must be a lot of those out there.
There was a pattern, going back to his being governor of Arkansas. Yes, some go have some love with road kill, in the freeway ...
Next you will be claiming that he wasn't a "real" Democrat. And I would agree, he is a Trojan Republican. He and JFK should have worn a body sized condom over themselves.
At least with Democrats, only one person is getting screwed. With Republicans, the whole country gets fucked.
Quote from: trdsf on March 05, 2018, 10:47:22 PM
At least with Democrats, only one person is getting screwed. With Republicans, the whole country gets fucked.
I wish that were true. In what way are you a predator too?
While the Clinton trial was under way, Larry Flynt offered a million dollar reward to any woman who would come forward with similar dirt on a Republican. Obviously Flynt had a biased agenda, and while it was of a disgusting vile nature, I have to admit I secretly approved. So one day a friend was harping on how he was so morally offended by Flynt offering money to women just to wreck the reputations of Republicans with sexual scandals. It was one of those rare times I actually expressed my contrary opinion right at the moment. I replied, "Well at least it's his own money. Kenneth Star is doing the same thing, except he's using your money." My friend cringed at the thought of how his tax dollars were being spent, but to his credit, he was quick to recognize the similarity of Flynt's actions to that of the Republican bottom feeders.
Jesus Christ! Clinton lied about a fucking blow job. Everybody gets a blow job. I'd be sorry for anyone who doesn't. Granted it might not be in the Oval Office, but that's only because the rest of us don't have an oval office, and the kitchen is about as kinky as it gets.
Quote from: SGOS on March 06, 2018, 01:15:18 AM
While the Clinton trial was under way, Larry Flynt offered a million dollar reward to any woman who would come forward with similar dirt on a Republican. Obviously Flynt had a biased agenda, and while it was of a disgusting vile nature, I have to admit I secretly approved. So one day a friend was harping on how he was so morally offended by Flynt offering money to women just to wreck the reputations of Republicans with sexual scandals. It was one of those rare times I actually expressed my contrary opinion right at the moment. I replied, "Well at least it's his own money. Kenneth Star is doing the same thing, except he's using your money." My friend cringed at the thought of how his tax dollars were being spent, but to his credit, he was quick to recognize the similarity of Flynt's actions to that of the Republican bottom feeders.
Jesus Christ! Clinton lied about a fucking blow job. Everybody gets a blow job. I'd be sorry for anyone who doesn't. Granted it might not be in the Oval Office, but that's only because the rest of us don't have an oval office, and the kitchen is about as kinky as it gets.
You got a blow job? Good for you. You aren't President. So you want the WH to be a Last Days of Pompeii carnival of orgies? Yeah, my wife promised we would have sex in every room in the house ... never happened. Doing it on the bathroom tile floor doesn't sound too much fun to me.
Back then I was perturbed at the Starr commission .. seemed too partisan, but now I know better. Yes, I think the circus should continue. Starr/Mueller should open investigations on all Congressmen, the SCOTUS and the VP as well. What is good for the WH, is good for all of them. And if they lie about so much as a parking ticket, to the FBI, then put them away and throw away the key.
That way the DC swamp gets moved to Guantanamo. Waterboarding for all ... it is only fair.
Quote from: Baruch on March 06, 2018, 07:05:38 AM
Starr/Mueller should open investigations on all Congressmen, the SCOTUS and the VP as well. What is good for the WH, is good for all of them. And if they lie about so much as a parking ticket, to the FBI, then put them away and throw away the key.
That's a waste of time and money. I don't care who has sex in politics. Trump supporters don't even care if it's sexual assault. Removing sex from politics does nothing to deal with the serious problems our country faces. Sex is not one of those problems.
Quote from: SGOS on March 06, 2018, 07:29:57 AM
That's a waste of time and money. I don't care who has sex in politics. Trump supporters don't even care if it's sexual assault. Removing sex from politics does nothing to deal with the serious problems our country faces. Sex is not one of those problems.
That is clear .. and why you would never be allowed a security clearance. Blame everything on those Trump supporters ... Neanderthals, all of them. Well actually all but a few sub-Saharan Africans are Neanderthals. Yes, we have serious problems, and the people who own the country (not your nor I) will do what they want about it. Did Simon Legree consult with Uncle Tom?
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 07:42:59 PM
There was a pattern, going back to his being governor of Arkansas. Yes, some go have some love with road kill, in the freeway ...
Next you will be claiming that he wasn't a "real" Democrat. And I would agree, he is a Trojan Republican. He and JFK should have worn a body sized condom over themselves.
I'm not the one who makes claims - that seems to be your forte.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 06, 2018, 01:44:27 PM
I'm not the one who makes claims - that seems to be your forte.
You claim, as an atheist and psychiatrist, that Trump is a theist, and crazy. I don't see your sheepskins either ... but sheeple will buy anything (if marketed well). I have no reason to believe that he is a theist (except maybe worshipping Mammon). And no reason to think that he is anything worse than obnoxious. Both of which would make me not vote for him (being a materialist or being obnoxious) ... and did. Now if you would like to claim that Trump (or the Clintons) are not materialist ... or not obnoxious feel free to do so. Absence of accusation isn't proof of sainthood.
Quote from: SGOS on March 06, 2018, 07:29:57 AM
That's a waste of time and money. I don't care who has sex in politics. Trump supporters don't even care if it's sexual assault. Removing sex from politics does nothing to deal with the serious problems our country faces. Sex is not one of those problems.
I remember an online conversation with a friend in France in the late 90s, who genuinely didn't understand what all the fuss was. As I recall his comment was something along the lines of, "We kind of prefer our politicians to have affairs. That way you know they still have some blood in their veins."
Generally speaking, I couldn't care less who a politician is bedding,
unless that politician has set him/herself up on some alleged 'moral high ground'. You know, like Henry Hyde and Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston hiding affairs of their own while loudly harrumphing about Bill Clinton. In my book, hypocrisy is infinitely worse than consensual sex.
Quote from: Baruch on March 06, 2018, 08:24:05 PM
You claim, as an atheist and psychiatrist, that Trump is a theist, and crazy.
I did? Well, just like a politician, I do not recall that. Can you point to a post where I made such claims?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 07, 2018, 01:26:52 PM
I did? Well, just like a politician, I do not recall that. Can you point to a post where I made such claims?
Don't worry about it. Baruch frequently makes claims like that. As does Trump. It is nearly proof of who is posting. Trump doesn't post here, but Baruch does. So it is Baruch, QED.
We can't actually be certain that Baruch isn't Trump - he seems to ramble much as does our Fearless Leader.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 08, 2018, 01:49:16 PM
We can't actually be certain that Baruch isn't Trump - he seems to ramble much as does our Fearless Leader.
Is that you, Hillary?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 08, 2018, 01:49:16 PM
We can't actually be certain that Baruch isn't Trump - he seems to ramble much as does our Fearless Leader.
Yeah, he is probably some mental offspring. Like Bizzaro-Minerva out of the head of Trump-Zeus. LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on March 08, 2018, 04:09:53 PM
Yeah, he is probably some mental offspring. Like Bizzaro-Minerva out of the head of Trump-Zeus. LOL!
See the tommy gun ... shot my way out of Daddy's head!
Quote from: Baruch on March 08, 2018, 07:41:08 PM
See the tommy gun ... shot my way out of Daddy's head!
I'm not surprised that you saw "shooting your way out" as a good image these days.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 12, 2018, 02:17:32 AM
I'm not surprised that you saw "shooting your way out" as a good image these days.
You can always get on your knees and beg to be killed.
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 06:48:52 AM
You can always get on your knees and beg to be killed.
You said "shot my way out of Daddy's head". It wasn't about defending yourself. Don't you even remember what you post?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 12, 2018, 06:50:47 AM
You said "shot my way out of Daddy's head". It wasn't about defending yourself. Don't you even remember what you post?
It was about being a male Athena. Read more than the immediate post. Get the gist before you comment, old man.
Quote from: Baruch on March 12, 2018, 06:53:33 AM
It was about being a male Athena. Read more than the immediate post. Get the gist before you comment, old man.
I did, and you went WAY beyond that. I started the analogy.