So, those of the many who watched it, what did you think? I haven't but don't worry about spoilers. By the time *I* watch a movie, it is old news... But I'm curious.
It's a good superhero movie that is perhaps slightly better than average. It's more upbeat because it avoids wasting the hero's time in the throes of unnecessary existential angst that I have become bored with in so much of the genre. Marvel introduces some new aspects to super heroism, so it doesn't seem like just another superman movie. I think the "Blackness" of the movie is extraneous overblown hype and to me it adds or detracts nothing to the actual film. It's a Marvel superhero fantasy about a super human character. I just want to see him kick some ass and do it without having a depression about it. And the movie does that well enough.
Quote from: SGOS on February 25, 2018, 05:51:38 AM
It's a good superhero movie that is perhaps slightly better than average. It's more upbeat because it avoids wasting the hero's time in the throes of unnecessary existential angst that I have become bored with in so much of the genre. Marvel introduces some new aspects to super heroism, so it doesn't seem like just another superman movie. I think the "Blackness" of the movie is extraneous overblown hype and to me it adds or detracts nothing to the actual film. It's a Marvel superhero fantasy about a super human character. I just want to see him kick some ass and do it without having a depression about it. And the movie does that well enough.
I wondered about that. One critic said it wasn't a movie about African-Americans because the Wakandans were never enslaved, the country wasn't colonized, and it was technologically advanced beyond reason.
I have the "willing suspension of disbelief" regarding sci-fi though.
I want to know how it is a hidden society cut off from the outside world manages to become super rich and have advanced technology beyond anything in the modern day.. despite being cut off. Isn't the wealth of a country dependent on trade, hell you need resources from other places to to grow, and how does a near impenetrable metal equal bubble shields, invisibility cloaks and flying cars?
Quote from: Munch on February 25, 2018, 07:53:36 AM
I want to know how it is a hidden society cut off from the outside world manages to become super rich and have advanced technology beyond anything in the modern day.. despite being cut off. Isn't the wealth of a country dependent on trade, hell you need resources from other places to to grow, and how does a near impenetrable metal equal bubble shields, invisibility cloaks and flying cars?
My questions exactly. But I love the fiction. AS IF, a radioactive spider made a white guy super talented either. . I just was amazed at how people glommed onto T'Challa (if I recall his name correctly from my admiration of his old character in the comics). I liked Bruce Banner to, but not much as the Hulk, And what if he had turned into a Big Brown guy instead. Mines all over the place there!
What if Nick Fury of The Howling Commandos had become a black guy running SHIELD. Oh, wait...
I'm waiting for a Mantis movie myself...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 25, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
My questions exactly. But I love the fiction. AS IF, a radioactive spider made a white guy super talented either. . I just was amazed at how people glommed onto T'Challa (if I recall his name correctly from my admiration of his old character in the comics). I liked Bruce Banner to, but not much as the Hulk, And what if he had turned into a Big Brown guy instead. Mines all over the place there!
What if Nick Fury of The Howling Commandos had become a black guy running SHIELD. Oh, wait...
I'm waiting for a Mantis movie myself...
To me you can have more escapist fantasy, but they need to work within context of the world they live in. Having a radioactive spider give a man spider like powers works because its within the context of the world, same as mutants and their biological mutations giving them powers. It also work with whatever Dr Strange does because he's a sorcerer and so if he for example lived in a bubble, he could just summon resources he needed in with magic.
But thats not within it in black panther, wealth needs to come from somewhere, see iron man owns an international company which explains his wealth, as does bruce wayne in dc comics. Wakanda can't work in that context of the world, it needs some explaining to how a place like that in a poor nation like africa can become what it is, not just the metal the nation is built over.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 25, 2018, 07:24:38 AM
I wondered about that. One critic said it wasn't a movie about African-Americans because the Wakandans were never enslaved, the country wasn't colonized, and it was technologically advanced beyond reason.
I have the "willing suspension of disbelief" regarding sci-fi though.
Willing suspension is a prerequisite. You're screwed without it, especially when it comes to superheroes. As for Wakandans, they are not African American. They are African, but poised to assist western culture in the fight against global threats. I would be surprised if they ever lose their African identity and are absorbed by western society, but then I don't write the scripts.
Quote from: SGOS on February 25, 2018, 08:46:34 AM
Willing suspension is a prerequisite. You're screwed without it, especially when it comes to superheroes. As for Wakandans, they are not African American. They are African, but poised to assist western culture in the fight against global threats. I would be surprised if they ever lose their African identity and are absorbed by western society, but then I don't write the scripts.
I only watch clips, but I enjoyed the visuals ... but then I am visually oriented. African (tm) is an interesting kind of human culture.
Quote from: Munch on February 25, 2018, 08:39:05 AM
To me you can have more escapist fantasy, but they need to work within context of the world they live in. Having a radioactive spider give a man spider like powers works because its within the context of the world, same as mutants and their biological mutations giving them powers. It also work with whatever Dr Strange does because he's a sorcerer and so if he for example lived in a bubble, he could just summon resources he needed in with magic.
But thats not within it in black panther, wealth needs to come from somewhere, see iron man owns an international company which explains his wealth, as does bruce wayne in dc comics. Wakanda can't work in that context of the world, it needs some explaining to how a place like that in a poor nation like africa can become what it is, not just the metal the nation is built over.
It's a reasonable question, but to simply enjoy the movie, I don't think it helps to ask that question. The same thought occurred to me, but I decided not to belabor that, and just allowed Marvel to take me where they wanted. You can find a lot of things about Stan Lee's superheroes that conflict with hard reality. The advanced society living under the radar of modern satellites is just one more. That was explained in the beginning, albeit not to anyone's satisfaction. It assumes that no foreign traveler ever stopped there, which is unlikely. But I don't see why this is a bigger issue than guys that fly around without technological support.
Quote from: Munch on February 25, 2018, 08:39:05 AM
it needs some explaining to how a place like that in a poor nation like africa can become what it is,
CONTINENT like Africa...
i enjoyed it. Better than the average Marvel movie. I liked how Wakanda is portrayed as a cultural, artistic and architectural microcosm of all of Africa.
Quote from: SGOS on February 25, 2018, 08:59:00 AM
It's a reasonable question, but to simply enjoy the movie, I don't think it helps to ask that question. The same thought occurred to me, but I decided not to belabor that, and just allowed Marvel to take me where they wanted. You can find a lot of things about Stan Lee's superheroes that conflict with hard reality. The advanced society living under the radar of modern satellites is just one more. That was explained in the beginning, albeit not to anyone's satisfaction. It assumes that no foreign traveler ever stopped there, which is unlikely. But I don't see why this is a bigger issue than guys that fly around without technological support.
well see that to me speaks for itself. I can't do that these days, if a movie makes me ask questions like that it takes me out of the movie.
Quote from: Munch on February 25, 2018, 10:33:56 AM
well see that to me speaks for itself. I can't do that these days, if a movie makes me ask questions like that it takes me out of the movie.
I can take most Marvel movies because they operate in the known world. Not that the characters are sensible, But NY is NY etc. I can take Thor because mythology is part of my world.
Hmm, OK I get some of the idea of an advanced African nation and how that can be important. They have gotten the short end of the stick for a LONG time. But it just harder to make the suspension leap.
I can imagine there was a dilemma portraying an African hero with tech skills background but not also being from somewhere non-African. I can't do it myself either.
I want to think about that for a while...
Quote from: Munch on February 25, 2018, 10:33:56 AM
well see that to me speaks for itself. I can't do that these days, if a movie makes me ask questions like that it takes me out of the movie.
I get that, and while I like movies that make me think, I'm able to shut that out when engaged in fantasy. Some things like the unknown advanced society bring up questions, but I can overlook them and just let the movie carry me. If I fall asleep during the movie, I'll dock points for that. I expect a movie to keep me engaged for my $10. I like a wide variety of genre. I just want to be entertained. I'm easily pleased.
Quote from: SGOS on February 25, 2018, 12:11:38 PM
I get that, and while I like movies that make me think, I'm able to shut that out when engaged in fantasy. Some things like the unknown advanced society bring up questions, but I can overlook them and just let the movie carry me. If I fall asleep during the movie, I'll dock points for that. I expect a movie to keep me engaged for my $10. I like a wide variety of genre. I just want to be entertained. I'm easily pleased.
Entirely reasonable...
Quote from: Munch on February 25, 2018, 08:39:05 AMit needs some explaining to how a place like that in a poor nation like africa can become what it is, not just the metal the nation is built over.
Marvel has a lot of locales that seem to defy explanation. Latveria is another example of an isolated country that somehow still manages to build and support oodles of high-tech gear. Antarctica has the Savage Lands, a tropical region where dinosaurs roam. There's a breathable, habitable area on the moon.
Over the years, I've learned to not seek a rational explanation for this stuff. Suspension of disbelief. I don't ask why these places exist any more than I ask where the energy for Cyclops's optic blasts comes from or how Wolverine is still standing after losing gallons of blood from repeated injuries during a fight.
The Watsonian explanation is that some writer thought it would be cool.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 25, 2018, 01:00:10 PM
Marvel has a lot of locales that seem to defy explanation. Latveria is another example of an isolated country that somehow still manages to build and support oodles of high-tech gear. Antarctica has the Savage Lands, a tropical region where dinosaurs roam. There's a breathable, habitable area on the moon.
Over the years, I've learned to not seek a rational explanation for this stuff. Suspension of disbelief. I don't ask why these places exist any more than I ask where the energy for Cyclops's optic blasts comes from or how Wolverine is still standing after losing gallons of blood from repeated injuries during a fight.
The Watsonian explanation is that some writer thought it would be cool.
My recollection is that Victor von Doom was a child of his poor country, not a product of it. He achieved his skills entirely on his own (failed college experiment etc). Ka-Zar has no special tech. The moon was only habitable for the Skrulls and those plant creatures because The Watcher made it so temporarily.
I go back a ways...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 25, 2018, 02:06:32 PM
My recollection is that Victor von Doom was a child of his poor country, not a product of it. He achieved his skills entirely on his own (failed college experiment etc). Ka-Zar has no special tech. The moon was only habitable for the Skrulls and those plant creatures because The Watcher made it so temporarily.
I go back a ways...
The savage land having all the tech its had over the years, i put that down to those coming from outside bringing it in. Wasn't mr sinister staged there for a time? And year Ka-zar was set in the savage land but he left the land often or became allies to outsiders like the x-men, so there was a go between both sides.
As for Doom, like you say he built himself up, and given the kinds of tech he'd steal that can explain Latveria's technological advancement, he is also a super genius so simply aquiring resources around the world for his countries growth would give reason to why.
This is kinda what I mean, theres reasons why something happens in context, and within a universe like marvel it often needs a explanation to make it sound. Years ago i got a great book called the science of the x-men.
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it wasn't to deep in terms of scientific expansion, but it provided some good points for how certain powers function based on physics and reasonable understanding of forces. For example shadowcat's phasing ability on the basis of vibration and string theory, her physical form vibrating to such intensity it phases though structures on a molecule basis.
That example of how within something like marvel there are laws of reason to how things work. Using another example of something similar, in the game world of warcraft, one of the newest factions in the game, the nightborne elves, had lived in a bubbled city for ten thousand years, obviously this is a setting of magic, so that explains how they can live so long, but when you go to the nightborne elves city of suramar, now that the bubble has come down after all that time, you notice around how they functioned, by tapping into arcane fonts and arcane waters to produce foods, they were able to be self sustaining with the city without needing the outside world, they didn't require things like sunlight to grow crops for food, as they survived on arcane energy. Because they are a race that can live off of arcane energy instead of food like humans can, it explains and gives context to how they could live in a contain city.
wakanda however, the people living there are human, not mutants or super beings, just regular people. They'd need food and supplies. Having local flora and fawner might help this, but taking the real worlds examples, the most powerful nations on earth grow and become technologically advanced because of things like international trade, supply and demand, and even underhanded and dirty tactics. America having its hands on oil fields from other countries, dirty as it might be to remember, helps america and similar powerful countries grow.
When something is this bold in statement, saying something like wakanda is the most technologically advance place on earth, I would beg why. If they say 'well its because of the vibranium supplies they trade and became insanely rich because of it', Thats believable, I can buy that, they could become so rich from it, they can afford to have their nation cut off from the world while still having trade with it. But in claiming its been shut off from the world the way it has all this time, I just wonder how any of that makes sense?
c-o-m-i-c b-o-o-k m-o-v-i-e-s
Just saw the movie. It was well done with a good combination of style, action, characterization and a decent plot. As far as Wakanda, it was more plausible then magics of Dr. Strange or the Asgardians, which are in the same Marvel universe. Wakanda is hidden, not isolated, and they have had agents all over the world supplying intelligence. Vibranium isn't just valuable, it's an extraterrestrial energy source that has multiple properties.
Anyway, if you like superhero movies it is a good one.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 28, 2018, 12:40:09 AM
Just saw the movie. It was well done with a good combination of style, action, characterization and a decent plot. As far as Wakanda, it was more plausible then magics of Dr. Strange or the Asgardians, which are in the same Marvel universe. Wakanda is hidden, not isolated, and they have had agents all over the world supplying intelligence. Vibranium isn't just valuable, it's an extraterrestrial energy source that has multiple properties.
Anyway, if you like superhero movies it is a good one.
I have no doubt the movie is well done, well-acted, and entirely consistent in its own world. But my question was how a super-technology nation, never involved in slavery, never involved in rather evil European colonialization, relates to African-Americans as it seems to.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 01:06:33 AM
I have no doubt the movie is well done, well-acted, and entirely consistent in its own world. But my question was how a super-technology nation, never involved in slavery, never involved in rather evil European colonialization, relates to African-Americans as it seems to.
One of the major conflicts in the movie is the Wakandans had the ability to help Africans taken into slavery or give black people in the US the power to fight oppression but sat back and did nothing. They hoarded their technology and protected their culture. The antagonist is an African-American whose violent nature is a result of the Wakandan's choices. The oppressed becomes the oppressor.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 01:06:33 AM
I have no doubt the movie is well done, well-acted, and entirely consistent in its own world. But my question was how a super-technology nation, never involved in slavery, never involved in rather evil European colonialization, relates to African-Americans as it seems to.
First, possibly the most minor of points. If such a civilization existed, it relates to Africans, not African Americans. Africans transported across the ocean and sold into slavery would experience a major upheaval in culture that separates them from their true heritage. Second, Wakanda is an anomaly, uncharacteristic of African nations, or any other nation on Earth. It has advanced beyond the dreams and expectations of any civilization. It's pure modern day mythology like Thor and Dr. Strange, both of which can be and have been criticized by the pedants within the comic book culture.
But the very purpose of Marvel and other comics is to create mythology. It makes no attempt at being believable. If it did, it would fall outside the scope and purpose of comic books and be classified as more mainstream literature that is designed to please those who prefer not to suspend their belief. Comic books are unreal, preposterous, and absurd. All of the comics are that way, and a comic book fan who would draw an arbitrary line that in their mind that separates the unreal from the preposterous may miss the point. They obviously understand the joy of the unreal, but insert limits of their own that seem to me to be contrary to the spirit of the thing.
I have intelligent friends that wouldn't give Marvel movies the time of day. They wouldn't even check one out to see what all the fuss is about, and if they did, they would hate it, or at least say they hate it based on some principle. On the other hand, academia has experts in mythology, who love their field. They understand mythology, but don't actually believe it. They recognize it for what it is, and don't get upset over specific absurdities.
One last thing. Comics may not be as compatible with reality as more mainstream literature, but they do make more sense than one specific type of mainstream literature, which has found a niche and is accepted by the literary elite. Stream of conscience style can get pretty far out there, and in addition to testing the limits of reality, it can be so disconnected that it makes no sense at all.
Gawdzilla Sama nailed it: c-o-m-i-c b-o-o-k m-o-v-i-e-s
If Wakanda offends your sense of realisticisity but Asgard, the X-Men, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. don't then I don't think it's actually how realistic it is or isn't that offends you.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 28, 2018, 03:56:47 AM
If Wakanda offends your sense of realisticisity but Asgard, the X-Men, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. don't then I don't think it's actually how realistic it is or isn't that offends you.
I will certainly be interested to watch the movie when it eventually shows up on basic cable. The movie sure doesn't offend me in any way. I just read some interesting questions about it that I wanted to ask you all about.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 28, 2018, 03:56:47 AM
If Wakanda offends your sense of realisticisity but Asgard, the X-Men, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. don't then I don't think it's actually how realistic it is or isn't that offends you.
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Quote from: Munch on February 28, 2018, 06:13:15 AM
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Its not the realism, but the interpretation.
Saw it yesterday. Meh.
Too political and I give it a 6.5/10
That was about what I expected. Big hype. Fast fall-off in moviegoers.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 02:40:55 PM
That was about what I expected. Big hype. Fast fall-off in moviegoers.
According to this data from three days ago, that's not the case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2018/02/25/black-panther-keeps-smashing-records-exceeding-box-office-expectations-and-making-history/?utm_term=.0ab960dbd4cc
Although, I do think the hype was bigger than the film. It's a good film, but I don't think it's as great as the pre-release discussions made it sound, but then how many hyped films do that? Avatar maybe? At the moment, I can't think of anything else.
These days people are in the habit of expecting a silk purse movie from pig's ear source material. Comic book movies will never rise above their origins.
Quote from: SGOS on February 28, 2018, 05:04:03 PM
According to this data from three days ago, that's not the case.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2018/02/25/black-panther-keeps-smashing-records-exceeding-box-office-expectations-and-making-history/?utm_term=.0ab960dbd4cc
Although, I do think the hype was bigger than the film. It's a good film, but I don't think it's as great as the pre-release discussions made it sound, but then how many hyped films do that? Avatar maybe? At the moment, I can't think of anything else.
I'm (sadly) sticking with the rapid fall-off prediction. And wish it was otherwise.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 28, 2018, 05:12:24 PM
These days people are in the habit of expecting a silk purse movie from pig's ear source material. Comic book movies will never rise above their origins.
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Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 28, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
Q.E.D.
No actually, it's not.
As I understand it, the Marvel Universe is coming round to the idea that all superheroes are actually mutants. Some just expressed it in different ways and triggers.
"This movie wasn't made with my demographic in mind, so it's over-hyped/not even good/too political! There's no way it can be successful!"
Box office, reviews and the intended audience all say otherwise... also, the inherent humour in people being upset over the first truly African American superhero super star not catering to what they wanted...
I'm even willing to admit it wasn't the greatest film of all time, or anywhere near it. But it is more than just a movie, it is a part of a cultural revolution and can't be properly analyzed as "just" a film. That's like trying to analyze Schindlers list without accounting for the Holocaust... Sure, is still a great film, but if you don't take any of the real world contexts it was filmed in, then it is nothing special.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 28, 2018, 08:35:33 PM
"This movie wasn't made with my demographic in mind, so it's over-hyped/not even good/too political! There's no way it can be successful!"
Box office, reviews and the intended audience all say otherwise... also, the inherent humour in people being upset over the first truly African American superhero super star not catering to what they wanted...
I'm even willing to admit it wasn't the greatest film of all time, or anywhere near it. But it is more than just a movie, it is a part of a cultural revolution and can't be properly analyzed as "just" a film. That's like trying to analyze Schindlers list without accounting for the Holocaust... Sure, is still a great film, but if you don't take any of the real world contexts it was filmed in, then it is nothing special.
I don't think anyone needs more of the old African-American stereotypes. This worked for Obama too. If Obama had actually talked like someone from Newark, instead of Kenya, he would have gotten no traction.
QuoteIf Obama had actually talked like someone from Newark, instead of Kenya, he would have gotten no traction.
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Ironic since so many D Presidents are dicks not named Dick.
Blaxploitation, it is what Ds do, in every century.
Can you dig it? Right on!
Quote from: Shiranu on February 28, 2018, 08:44:11 PM
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DeeDee!
Love, Mandark
I hate your brother, what a Poindexter he is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZl-kQ3JFNI
I sympathized more with Poindexter ... what clueless parents!
Quote from: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
No actually, it's not.
As I understand it, the Marvel Universe is coming round to the idea that all superheroes are actually mutants. Some just expressed it in different ways and triggers.
And?
Quote from: Baruch on February 28, 2018, 08:40:14 PM
I don't think anyone needs more of the old African-American stereotypes. This worked for Obama too. If Obama had actually talked like someone from Newark, instead of Kenya, he would have gotten no traction.
This is interesting. I've gotten to where I recognize your posts without even seeing your avatar now. They are generally unsensible and off-topic.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 03, 2018, 03:38:21 AM
This is interesting. I've gotten to where I recognize your posts without even seeing your avatar now. They are generally unsensible and off-topic.
OK, so you aren't a bot from Google then ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on March 03, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
OK, so you aren't a bot from Google then ;-)
Interesting. Like Trump, you like to accuse others of what you are guilty of to deflect. I considered merely the POSSIBILITY that you were bottish, and here you come back suggesting I am. Very interesting...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 04:23:07 AM
Interesting. Like Trump, you like to accuse others of what you are guilty of to deflect. I considered merely the POSSIBILITY that you were bottish, and here you come back suggesting I am. Very interesting...
I can recognize your posts at once, from your avatar. Do I claim super powers? Are you a bot? In the past I have accused people here of being FBI or CIA disinformation specialists. Which three letter agency to you still work for?
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 06:41:42 AM
I can recognize your posts at once, from your avatar. Do I claim super powers? Are you a bot? In the past I have accused people here of being FBI or CIA disinformation specialists. Which three letter agency to you still work for?
RTD (retired) and from no where. I am "from across the river" and it doesn't matter which side of the river you are on.
But seriously dudikans, if I was "one of them" would I be here? Or maybe I am and WE ARE WATCHING YOU...
But then, I wouldn't say that if we WERE. Or would I?
Even my genetics tests say I am from "everywhere" equally...
The Men in Black? WE recruit from them...
Oy vey, here we go...
Is Black Panther Islamophobic? (http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/black-panther-islamophobic-87379063)
Quote"Wallahi (by God) I will shoot her right now," says the man, obviously Muslim from his Middle Eastern headgear, as he places a gun to a girl's head. Without spoiling the movie Black Panther for those who have not seen it yet, this is part of a scene in which the soon-to-be king attacks a convoy of trucks carrying abducted women.
The women are all wearing hijab (headscarves) against their will. As soon as the girls are "liberated", they remove their headscarves.
The scene inadvertently reinforces what colonial studies experts such as University of Toronto Professor Sherene Razack call the stereotypes of the barbaric Muslim man, oppressed Muslim woman and imperilled non-Muslim.
Unintentional boost to Islamophobia
Black Panther is a great movie. The glowing reviews and box office collections confirm this. I don't usually rush off to see new movies, but this one was different. I looked forward to it, not only because of the hype, but more so because after 42 and Marshall, Chadwick Boseman is my favourite actor.
I hate to rain on the parade, but it's hard to remain silent in the face of the not-so-subtle but - I can only assume - unintentional boost to Islamophobia.
No, I don't expect only positive portrayals of Muslims in movies, because that would be false. And I am not claiming that the movie bashes Islam. But it does contribute to, and reinforce, the poor and stereotypical views of Islam and Muslims.
At the risk of sounding insensitive to the longing of the black community for a worthy portrayal, this movie joins many others in normalising a stereotypical depiction of Muslims.
As Sami Aziz, the Muslim Chaplain at Wesleyan University notes, "Black Panther continues the trend of hundreds of movies in depicting Muslims as evil, bloodthirsty, sexual predators…" In classic Hollywood fashion, the bad guys are Muslims again!
well, this'll be interesting.
I didn't see that scene in any clips. Was that the bad cousin LARPing, or some other unnecessary antagonist? The White S African guy critics say, was unnecessary to the story line, but was added for pure anti-White factor.
It is never good when discussions of superhero movies intrude on reality. You can't win either way.
I recall reading that Marvel Comics had a whole fight scene where a supervillain had a skyscaper pancaked down in August 2001. And then obviously could not after 9-11.
They can refer to events after the fact (and did) but not just before or during.