Name to me one other first world country where teenage students have to beg for increased security, for guns to be even remotely regulated, because they are tired of being murdered, of seeing their countrymen murdered, left and right. Does that sound like a "first world, greatest country in the world" type of place to you?
Do first world countries watch as their citizens are allowed to buy guns and then murder people at concerts, at schools, at churches, left and right... and that's only the "psycho" ones, forget all the individual killings...?
I'll wait.
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"(The Nra Donated) 30 million dollars (to the Trump campaign)... and divided by the number of gunshot victims in the United States in the 1 and 1 half months in 2018 alone, that comes out to being fifty-eight hundred dollars... is that how much these people are worth to you, Trump? If you don't do anything to prevent this from continuing to occur, that number of gunshot victims will go up and the number that they are worth will go down. And we will be worthless to you."
She is a wonderful young woman.
Brave. I hope the politicians in Washington are paying attention, because these are their future voters.
https://www.snopes.com/trump-sign-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-illnesses/
Quote from: Sal1981 on February 18, 2018, 08:22:30 PM
Brave. I hope the politicians in Washington are paying attention, because these are their future voters.
https://www.snopes.com/trump-sign-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-illnesses/
Unfortunately Snopes has been shown as unbiased as Salon or Daily Kos. I wish there were unbiased sources, but the CIA won't permit them.
How about the one, where some Twitter idiot went off on a father of one of the dead HS girls ... castigating him for wearing a Trump T-shirt. Sensitive, these snowflakes are.
The kid legally bought the gun. As did the mom of the Sandy Hook shooter. The FBI and sheriff's department was too busy looking for Russkies under the bed covers ... to pay attention this time ... and lots of other times. They did put the younger brother of the shooter in protective custody, after the brother's shooting spree ... better late then never.
Do you consider fact checking as "bias"?
Quote from: Jason78 on February 18, 2018, 10:30:05 PM
Do you consider fact checking as "bias"?
All D-party or R-pary supporters who post anywhere ... aren't biased, they are psychotic. I blame the fluoridation of the water supply. What is your excuse? ;-)
Fact checking by party officials, or by Deep State operatives ... bwahaha. Check your own fact, don't rely on anyone else. Be Columbo ... always leave, but not quite, then return and ask .. one more question. It really bothers the murderer! BTW ... we are all murderers.
Quote from: Jason78 on February 18, 2018, 10:30:05 PM
Do you consider fact checking as "bias"?
He does. Facts that disagree with his world view of everyone being extreme is what he sees most easily. I feel sad about that sometimes, but you can't help some people. They're in their own little world and are happy there. Possibly, the rare thing is that he feels compelled to come out and try to convince the rest of us that we should also be similarly limited.
Terrific speech. As someone who has worked in crisis mental health services for over twenty-five years, I'm sick of politicians saying "we need more mental health services" as their pat response to gun violence. What exactly does that mean? Mental health professionals can intervene in a crisis but we can't change the law and we can't change the culture. Gun violence in America is a complicated problem with no simple solutions. I hope this tragedy will prompt change but honestly, I have very little confidence in our current leaders to adequately address this problem. This is an opportunity for the president to show real leadership but I don't think Trump is up to the task.
From the Associated Press:
In a marathon series of furious tweets from Mar-a-Lago, Trump vented about Russia, raging at the FBI for what he perceived to be a fixation on the Russia investigation at the cost of failing to deter the attack on a Florida high school. He made little mention of the nearby school shooting victims and the escalating gun control debate.
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 07:17:28 AM
All D-party or R-pary supporters who post anywhere ... aren't biased, they are psychotic.
and what would you consider yourself?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 19, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
and what would you consider yourself?
You know I am I-party ;-) I am both biased, and unashamed. In particular, I am biased against the craziness of the D and R party ... or R-D party if you prefer. No originality there. All militancy all the time there. More for the wealthy there. Not biased against people, just against the demonic powers from Exorcist that mess with little girls.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 18, 2018, 01:00:03 PM
Name to me one other first world country where teenage students have to beg for increased security, for guns to be even remotely regulated, because they are tired of being murdered, of seeing their countrymen murdered, left and right. Does that sound like a "first world, greatest country in the world" type of place to you?
Do first world countries watch as their citizens are allowed to buy guns and then murder people at concerts, at schools, at churches, left and right... and that's only the "psycho" ones, forget all the individual killings...?
I'll wait.
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"(The Nra Donated) 30 million dollars (to the Trump campaign)... and divided by the number of gunshot victims in the United States in the 1 and 1 half months in 2018 alone, that comes out to being fifty-eight hundred dollars... is that how much these people are worth to you, Trump? If you don't do anything to prevent this from continuing to occur, that number of gunshot victims will go up and the number that they are worth will go down. And we will be worthless to you."
It may be that the Russians gave money to the NRA to support Chump:
NRA, Russia and Trump: How 'dark money' is poisoning American democracy (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/nra-russia-and-trump-money-laundering-poisoning-us-democracy-commentary.html)
Quote•The FBI is investigating the National Rifle Association to determine whether Russians illegally funneled money through the organization to help the Trump campaign.
•Beyond Russian meddling, this allegation illustrates a problem of even broader scope in our political system.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 19, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
This is an opportunity for the president to show real leadership but I don't think Trump is up to the task.
He can't show real leadership because he's not a real leader. He's just a guy who can wield a pen to sign whatever the Republicans want signed.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 20, 2018, 02:03:33 PM
He can't show real leadership because he's not a real leader. He's just a guy who can wield a pen to sign whatever the Republicans want signed.
The CIA is happy with him ... and his last few predecessors (back to Nixon) ... why can't you be?
The word "happy" isn't part of my lexicon.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 21, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
The word "happy" isn't part of my lexicon.
See, there are no theological nor philosophical nor ideological problems ... there are only psychological problems. Do something for someone else today, that makes them happy. Then at least one of you is.
Well, the word "unhappiness" is also not part of my lexicon.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 21, 2018, 04:53:53 PM
Well, the word "unhappiness" is also not part of my lexicon.
If you are neither a person, nor an unperson, what are you? (rhetorical)
If you're not quite dead yet, are you undead?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 21, 2018, 04:56:27 PM
If you're no quite dead yet, are you undead?
Grammar alert! Dead, anti-dead (aka living) and non-dead (non-alive). Consistent nomenclature is the essence of good thinking (probably Wittgenstein said that ... as did Confucious).
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 20, 2018, 02:03:33 PM
He can't show real leadership because he's not a real leader. He's just a guy who can wield a pen to sign whatever the Republicans want signed.
Trump can't show leadership because he isn't a real leader. He is a leader of a fanatic minority of NRA and Nazi types, financial cheaters, and scammers.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 24, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
Trump can't show leadership because he isn't a real leader. He is a leader of a fanatic minority of NRA and Nazi types, financial cheaters, and scammers.
But... but... He's going to build us a wall that will protect us from the Mexicans.
Quote from: SGOS on February 26, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
But... but... He's going to build us a wall that will protect us from the Mexicans.
No give a lot of money away to his campaign supporters, like any other politician.
Quote from: SGOS on February 26, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
But... but... He's going to build us a wall that will protect us from the Mexicans.
I still think it would be cheaper just to buy China's great wall and ship it over here in pieces. And make China pay for it - and give us the labor to put it back together.
Hey, at least our fearless leader isn't a coward!
President Trump: I would have run into school during shooting ‘even if I didn’t have a weapon’ (http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/26/president-trump-i-would-have-run-into-school-during-shooting-even-if-i-didnt-have-a-weapon/)
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President Donald Trump on Monday lashed out at Broward County sheriff's deputies for not going into the Parkland school and confronting the killer and said he would have gone in "even if I didn't have a weapon."
"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Trump said during a meeting with governors, including Florida's Rick Scott who on Sunday called for an investigation into the law enforcement response.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2018, 03:43:23 PM
Hey, at least our fearless leader isn't a coward!
President Trump: I would have run into school during shooting ‘even if I didn’t have a weapon’ (http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/26/president-trump-i-would-have-run-into-school-during-shooting-even-if-i-didnt-have-a-weapon/)
"You there, with the gun. This is the president. Put down the gun or I'm going to kick your ass."
Chump would probably have called in a strike by a predator drone and taken out the whole school.
Trump loves to brag about how perfect he is, but until he actually puts himself in a life or death situation like that, I'm not buying it.
What!? Surely the most powerful man in the world wouldn't lie to the American people, would he?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2018, 04:23:43 PM
What!? Surely the most powerful man in the world wouldn't lie to the American people, would he?
I'm not sure he is lying in this circumstance. Running into a chaotic shooting situation and implying he could save the day despite being old, overweight, unarmed and having no training sounds like something he would believe-- it's basically mirrors his bid for presidency. He loves a simplistic solution to a complex situation, like solving immigration with a wall, fixing healthcare by getting rid of the ACA with no alternative plan or arming teachers to reduce gun fatalities. I'm sure his response resonates with his base.
Our fearless leader has come up with another brilliant idea for curbing gun violence - just put ratings on movies and video games! What a stable genius!
Trump raises concerns about impact of violent movies: 'Maybe they have to put a rating system for that' (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375102-trump-raises-concerns-about-impact-of-violent-movies-says-we-may-have)
How is it that no one else has ever even thought of this idea? It's inconceivable!
"We have to look at the internet, because a lot of bad things are happening to young kids and young minds, and their minds are being formed, and we have to do something about maybe what they're seeing and how they're seeing it. And also video games," Trump said, according to pool reports.
"I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is really shaping young people's thoughts. And you go one further step and that's the movies. ... maybe they have to put a rating system for that," he added.
Every time I read a transcript of Trump talking he just sounds like an idiot. He has this habit of saying "I'm hearing people say..." because he doesn't know facts and wants to be able to backpeddle if necessary.
Yeah, he has to maintain his "plausible deniability" by blaming other people for stupid shit he might say.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 26, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
"We have to look at the internet, because a lot of bad things are happening to young kids and young minds, and their minds are being formed, and we have to do something about maybe what they're seeing and how they're seeing it. And also video games," Trump said, according to pool reports.
"I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is really shaping young people's thoughts. And you go one further step and that's the movies. ... maybe they have to put a rating system for that," he added.
Every time I read a transcript of Trump talking he just sounds like an idiot. He has this habit of saying "I'm hearing people say..." because he doesn't know facts and wants to be able to backpeddle if necessary.
It used to be all video was TV or movies, and a review board wouldn't let anything out that wasn't rated ... and the people doing the rating were all Catholics. Got a problem with that?
Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2018, 06:53:33 PM
It used to be all video was TV or movies, and a review board wouldn't let anything out that wasn't rated ... and the people doing the rating were all Catholics. Got a problem with that?
I oppose censorship but I do approve of informing people of the content they are about to consume. If I were a parent I would appreciate knowing whether a movie or game contained violence, sex, language or adult themes so I the parent (not the government or the church) could more easily decide if it were appropriate for my child. I have no problem with "The following is intended for mature audiences." I also appreciate when NSFW or "Graphic content" is indicated before I click a link.
Why click on a picture of one of Munch's boyfriends? Trying to tell us something? ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2018, 09:51:37 PM
Why click on a picture of one of Munch's boyfriends? Trying to tell us something? ;-)
I'll be sure to inform them how you pictured them based on my vintage collection, but my fellas are shaped like every day gents.
"We should change the names of AR-15s to 'Marco Rubio,' " one Parkland student tweeted after the senator from Florida rejected their calls to support a ban on assault weapons, "because they are so easy to buy."
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2018, 03:43:23 PM
Hey, at least our fearless leader isn't a coward!
President Trump: I would have run into school during shooting ‘even if I didn’t have a weapon’ (http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/26/president-trump-i-would-have-run-into-school-during-shooting-even-if-i-didnt-have-a-weapon/)
I have my doubts that he could get that fat ass of his up to a loping jog, much less a run. And his entire life is one of avoiding any risk he can't lawyer his way out of.
What disgusts me most is using seventeen dead to float a masturbatory superhero fantasy.
At this point, I'm ready to consider being a fucking dick a sufficiently high crime or misdemeanor for his impeachment.
Quote from: trdsf on February 27, 2018, 10:49:13 AM
I have my doubts that he could get that fat ass of his up to a loping jog, much less a run. And his entire life is one of avoiding any risk he can't lawyer his way out of.
What disgusts me most is using seventeen dead to float a masturbatory superhero fantasy.
At this point, I'm ready to consider being a fucking dick a sufficiently high crime or misdemeanor for his impeachment.
Destruction of Libya wasn't enough?
As they say, "Talk is cheap." Anyone could say that they would have run in during a shooting even if he didn't have a weapon, but we know that there was a person there who did have a weapon who didn't run in. When president Gump runs in without a weapon into a shooting, then we can say that he would do it.
My biggest problem with that whole situation is this...
Yes, the guy "should" have run in there, that is his job. But all these dudes on T.V. talking about how he is a coward, how he is to blame for their deaths? Nah, I'm not feeling that. How many of them would have run in? None of them, that's how many. They would have pissed themselves and ran off.
By all means, he failed to do his job and deserves to be transferred. But to act like he is the villain like the media and society are trying to do is absolutely ridiculous, and it's just a distraction from the real villains... the dudes who take millions of dollars of gun money bribes and keep guns like these in the hands of people who shouldn't be anywhere near a firearm.
I think I'll wait to hear a little more about the guy before I hang em.
People seem to think that when a shot rings out everybody knows exactly where the shooter is and what he is doing. Not really the case. If one heard a sound like a gunshot in a school building, most likely you would not know exactly where the shot came from. I don't think swat teams go running headlong into a situation like that. It takes time, usually, to pinpoint where the shot came from and what direction the shooter is moving. It is also possible that the sound of the gunshot may have seemed to come from outside the building(s). In hindsight, it is easy to plot the progress of the shooter(s); when it is happening not so much.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 27, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
People seem to think that when a shot rings out everybody knows exactly where the shooter is and what he is doing. Not really the case. If one heard a sound like a gunshot in a school building, most likely you would not know exactly where the shot came from. I don't think swat teams go running headlong into a situation like that. It takes time, usually, to pinpoint where the shot came from and what direction the shooter is moving. It is also possible that the sound of the gunshot may have seemed to come from outside the building(s). In hindsight, it is easy to plot the progress of the shooter(s); when it is happening not so much.
But Hollywood is like real life, right?
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 27, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
People seem to think that when a shot rings out everybody knows exactly where the shooter is and what he is doing. Not really the case. If one heard a sound like a gunshot in a school building, most likely you would not know exactly where the shot came from. I don't think swat teams go running headlong into a situation like that. It takes time, usually, to pinpoint where the shot came from and what direction the shooter is moving. It is also possible that the sound of the gunshot may have seemed to come from outside the building(s). In hindsight, it is easy to plot the progress of the shooter(s); when it is happening not so much.
When a sound echoes in empty hallways, the source is uncertain. In a crowded hallway, less certain. I heard today that the deputy who first came to the school was responding to "firecrackers" and when he reported "gunshots", was told to wait and observe while backup arrived. That seems rational.
I also saw a tweet where Trump said he would have charged in there with no weapon. He's just imagining that of course. He escaped Vietnam war service with fake medical problems. And he is on tape despribing a guy how fell off the stairs bleeding. Trump walked away laughing saying it was "disgusting" that his blood was staining the "beautiful marlble floors". Hardly the action of someone who would rush to help people in danger.
Yeah, that poor marble floor, it was just sitting there minding its own business when some schmuck fell on it and bled all over it! Our fearless leader was very sympathetic to the floor - to the guy bleeding all over it, not so much.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 01:58:49 PM
Yeah, that poor marble floor, it was just sitting there minding its own business when some schmuck fell on it and bled all over it! Our fearless leader was very sympathetic to the floor - to the guy bleeding all over it, not so much.
Sociopathy is what we should expect from society leaders.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 01:58:49 PM
Yeah, that poor marble floor, it was just sitting there minding its own business when some schmuck fell on it and bled all over it! Our fearless leader was very sympathetic to the floor - to the guy bleeding all over it, not so much.
Worse, he (and his friends) said they were "disgusted". As in "someone please call the staff to clean the trash away". And he claims he would run into a school building without a weapon and save everyone?
Quote from: Baruch on February 28, 2018, 02:04:27 PM
Sociopathy is what we should expect from society leaders.
That wasn't always the case, but apparently now it is.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 02:06:07 PM
Worse, he (and his friends) said they were "disgusted". As in "someone please call the staff to clean the trash away". And he claims he would run into a school building without a weapon and save everyone?
He says he can't stand the sight of blood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9ov40Pm3Y
He'd be surrounded by blood if he'd run in there, with or without a weapon.
His hair should be registered as a dangerous weapon.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 02:09:28 PM
He says he can't stand the sight of blood:
He's be surrounded by blood if he'd run in there, with or without a weapon.
His hair should be registered as a dangerous weapon.
Yeah, I meant to add that old quote of him hating the sight of blood. Good catch!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 02:07:17 PM
That wasn't always the case, but apparently now it is.
You have rose colored glasses of history ... it was never otherwise.
Well, if the Orange Disaster Area is serious about actually taking a couple small steps towards sensible gun policy (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43235969)â€"expanding background checks, banning bump stocksâ€"good on him. I'll believe it when I see it, considering he has both demonstrated the attention span of a gnat with ADHD, as well as saying he wants one thing and taking all the necessary actions to do something else.
I was fascinated to see him call out pro-gun congresscritters as being afraid of the NRA, and for effectively telling the NRA to go piss up a rope, especially after taking $30 million worth of support from them in '16. He's still wrong about arming teachers (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43217142), of course. Closing the gun show and online loopholes on background checks, good. Allowing police to 'confiscate first, due process later' is quite a bit more problematic from a Constitutional standpoint and has appalling potential to be abused.
But I'll take progress, even from unexpected sources. Doesn't make him a good president, one step in the right direction doesn't erase the thousands of steps in the wrong direction, but if he's serious and follows through and not just making mouth noises until the moment passes, good. We'll see. He tried playing the 'get me a bipartisan bill' game in January with immigration reform, and spent the next several weeks doing everything in his power to sink the most popular bipartisan compromise, so no actual 'attaboy' until and unless he actually follows through.
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2018, 10:14:12 AM
Well, if the Orange Disaster Area is serious about actually taking a couple small steps towards sensible gun policy (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43235969)â€"expanding background checks, banning bump stocksâ€"good on him. I'll believe it when I see it, considering he has both demonstrated the attention span of a gnat with ADHD, as well as saying he wants one thing and taking all the necessary actions to do something else.
Some guy on NPR mentioned the other day that 20 plus states have actually put some kind of gun regulation on the books in the last 10 years, although in many/most(?) cases, the regulations actually eased regulations and made it easier to get guns, either because of loopholes or actual intent to do nothing. This type of do nothing regulation seems to me to be typical of much legislation. Bills are given misleading names like "The Child Protection Act" or "The Forest Protection Act," and end up accomplishing the opposite of what the name implies. And people support them based on the name.
Meanwhile, there's this church that is more or less heavily armed Moonies (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43231638).
Yeah. That really makes me feel safe.
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2018, 10:14:12 AMthe Orange Disaster Area
I've recently heard him referred to (I think it was Stephanie Miller) as "the Tangerine Tornado." Sounds like a pro wrestler, huh?
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2018, 10:14:12 AM
I was fascinated to see him call out pro-gun congresscritters as being afraid of the NRA, and for effectively telling the NRA to go piss up a rope, especially after taking $30 million worth of support from them in '16.
Turns out
that money may have come from Russia, and simply been funneled through the NRA (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-russia-nra-donald-trump-campaign-election-investigation-mueller-banker-money-a8225581.html).
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 01, 2018, 01:41:30 PM
Turns out that money may have come from Russia, and simply been funneled through the NRA (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-russia-nra-donald-trump-campaign-election-investigation-mueller-banker-money-a8225581.html).
Wow. I can think of few things that would make me happier than seeing the sociopaths at the NRA run out of business for money laundering.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 01, 2018, 01:41:30 PM
Turns out that money may have come from Russia, and simply been funneled through the NRA (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fbi-russia-nra-donald-trump-campaign-election-investigation-mueller-banker-money-a8225581.html).
All money comes from Russia (with love), funneled thru the Rothschilds, who get it from the bank underneath the Temple Mount in Jerusalem!
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2018, 04:58:35 PM
Wow. I can think of few things that would make me happier than seeing the sociopaths at the NRA run out of business for money laundering.
Has the Clinton money laundering machine been punished? Hypocrites!
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2018, 06:42:39 PM
Has the Clinton money laundering machine been punished? Hypocrites!
The legitimacy of your claims aside, do two wrongs make a right? Why do you insist on playing the Hillary card every time Trump is mentioned? Hillary is not, and never will be, President.
Quote from: Blackleaf on March 01, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
The legitimacy of your claims aside, do two wrongs make a right? Why do you insist on playing the Hillary card every time Trump is mentioned? Hillary is not, and never will be, President.
US has always had ... disloyal shadow government, since the Jefferson administration (the Federalists turned into Wigs). Hillary is the anti-President ... and the D-party is the anti-party. Unless Hillary is just the lightning rod, and Obama is hiding in the secret D-bunker in Wakanda.
This was true also way back in 1993 ... when the South even back then, long before Obama, pointed out that "Clinton isn't our President". The R-s didn't accept the result of the 1992 election. The D-s didn't accept the result of the 2000 election and so it goes.
Both parties are wrong, but partisanship means my evil is better than your evil. I am anti-partisan. People outside the US have noticed that the American electorate have achieved complete schizophrenia ... two different views of reality, both of which are wrong. Why would the CIA want that?
The media? MSM was in decline, but because of Trump, CNN made $one billion last year! For 2018, lets have all the candidates be young porno actresses, and have them fight it out in a tub of chocolate pudding (sometimes vanilla or tapioca for race equity).
Quote from: Blackleaf on March 01, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
The legitimacy of your claims aside, do two wrongs make a right? Why do you insist on playing the Hillary card every time Trump is mentioned? Hillary is not, and never will be, President.
Brauch defends the Republican Party by projecting their sins onto the Clintons and Obamas. The Democratic Party in general will also serve as a target, but Brauch has an obsessive hatred for Hillary and Obama that follows him around like a migraine that he cannot shake. Brauch claims to be opposed to both parties, but at best, he can only divide his criticisms on an 90/10 basis between Democrats and Republicans. This is compounded by the fact that he finds himself in an unusually liberal forum where he gets no validation for his secret facts about Clinton and Obama known only to Baruch himself and gathered through his one man spy network located in a basement laboratory.
Quote from: SGOS on March 02, 2018, 07:26:12 AM
Brauch defends the Republican Party by projecting their sins onto the Clintons and Obamas. The Democratic Party in general will also serve as a target, but Brauch has an obsessive hatred for Hillary and Obama that follows him around like a migraine that he cannot shake. Brauch claims to be opposed to both parties, but at best, he can only divide his criticisms on an 90/10 basis between Democrats and Republicans. This is compounded by the fact that he finds himself in an unusually liberal forum where he gets no validation for his secret facts about Clinton and Obama known only to Baruch himself and gathered through his one man spy network located in a basement laboratory.
He strikes me as a spurned lover who's love has turned to hatred. It's that special kind of hatred that one reserves for ex-lovers, ex-best friends and family members.
Quote from: SGOS on March 02, 2018, 07:26:12 AM
Brauch defends the Republican Party by projecting their sins onto the Clintons and Obamas. The Democratic Party in general will also serve as a target, but Brauch has an obsessive hatred for Hillary and Obama that follows him around like a migraine that he cannot shake. Brauch claims to be opposed to both parties, but at best, he can only divide his criticisms on an 90/10 basis between Democrats and Republicans. This is compounded by the fact that he finds himself in an unusually liberal forum where he gets no validation for his secret facts about Clinton and Obama known only to Baruch himself and gathered through his one man spy network located in a basement laboratory.
All sin, none are righteous. If a D or R breathes ... they are sinning ... but not my problem. The other crap they do is a bonus. I hate the Republicans ... haven't voted for a R-Pres-Candidate since 1984. But I won't be joining your Cuckistani revolution either. I hate the Democrats so much ... I voted for a D-Pres-Candidate as recently as 2012. Had Hillary won the nomination in 2008, I would not have voted for her that year either.
But that is unforgivable in Left-kanda. You can't support a third rail king, there is either the protagonist or antagonist as set up by Hollywood.
And yes, Trump or Hillary ... they are as White as the driven snow, saints of the Catholic Church and all that ;-) Anyone who supported either, is an accessory to their crimes (I am an accessory to Obama's crimes for example). Either that or admit that the People are not Sovereign, and so are innocent of everything except gullibility.
And yes, anything that says that any candidate, is guilty of anything (say Trump is guilty of tax evasion?) is thought crime. Just what I would expect in an inverted totalitarianism ... of the rich (R), by the rich (D) and for the rich (?). People here aren't liberal, we are (we are) anti-socials. Democrats aren't liberal .. because they check a box on a litmus test.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 02, 2018, 09:10:14 AM
He strikes me as a spurned lover who's love has turned to hatred. It's that special kind of hatred that one reserves for ex-lovers, ex-best friends and family members.
Correct, I loved the Democrats once .. but they have turned to pure evil. Had to compete with the Republicans y'know. But not hatred of actual people, hatred of party and partisanship. The idea ... disgusts me. I could politely shake hands with Trump or Hillary or whoever. Separate the sin from the sinner ... or we all go to Hell.
Quote from: Blackleaf on March 01, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
The legitimacy of your claims aside, do two wrongs make a right? Why do you insist on playing the Hillary card every time Trump is mentioned? Hillary is not, and never will be, President.
Check out this video at 3:47 or so, and you'll see who's really the president:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTOkPDdeao
It's like a Mission Impossible scenario! :D
Cops shoot first, then maybe ask questions later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eY8nkSZXZk
Quote from: Baruch on March 02, 2018, 01:03:11 PM
Correct, I loved the Democrats once .. but they have turned to pure evil. Had to compete with the Republicans y'know. But not hatred of actual people, hatred of party and partisanship. The idea ... disgusts me. I could politely shake hands with Trump or Hillary or whoever. Separate the sin from the sinner ... or we all go to Hell.
I don't love the dems. I love what I once thought they were for. But I have long ago learned that that was just so much wishful thinking on my part. For decades now I have been an issues rather than a party person. Both parties have corp. feeding them and telling them what to do. Disgusting is too nice of a word to use. But the problem with being an issues guy is that one has to vote (if one wants to vote) use a sort of checklist; and I'm not a single issue person, so I have a fairly long checklist. For decades, the repubs have not backed a single issue I like. And I do fear that the two political parties will not allow a third to grow and that they have become so greedy--all of them--that our govt of checks and balances no longer works. I do fear that this is the end times for this form of government.
Agreed. If a party proposed positive changes, and was populist about it .. I would be very happy. Every party should be going that. What we get from both parties is negatives, elitism and cynicism toward the public (sheeple). Yes, I think it is aging (I hope), not apocalypse. I simply see the news noise differently each decade I am still around. I really couldn't get too excited about the 60s, because I was too young. The 70s were pretty exciting in a bad way, because I was a young adult. It has gone down from there. I think things both domestically and overseas have been bad my whole life ... though not Great Depression or WW II.
Unbeliever gives us the Left version of conspiracy theory ... why is that better than the Right version? People forget, I am a centrist per 8-values survey ... the only one here who didn't admit to being hard Left. I guess the few hard Right types didn't participate.
Populism is necessary in healthy politics. But not sufficient. Expropriation without compensation is popular in S Africa ... but it is majoritarian tyranny. But then Africans don't support property ownership, just tribalism ala Wakanda (black ubermenschen). Populism that is positive, like Mandela .. that was healthy politics. But he had no one to follow him.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 02, 2018, 01:47:57 PM
Check out this video at 3:47 or so, and you'll see who's really the president:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTOkPDdeao
It's like a Mission Impossible scenario! :D
I saw some of that meeting during my break at work, and it was so unexpected.
"You're never going to get open carry to pass."
Whoa. Did Trump grow a brain, or was he replaced with a pod person?
Quote from: Baruch on February 20, 2018, 06:18:00 PM
The CIA is happy with him ... and his last few predecessors (back to Nixon) ... why can't you be?
The CIA is NOT happy with him. They think he is crazy. Everyone outside a minority of the Republican party thinks he is crazy. The Chinese think he is crazy. FOX NEWS is starting to think he is crazy! Even Putin thinks he is nuts, but a "useful idiot"...
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 02, 2018, 09:10:14 AM
He strikes me as a spurned lover who's love has turned to hatred. It's that special kind of hatred that one reserves for ex-lovers, ex-best friends and family members.
For me, it's best to let that stuff go. Life is to short to be angry all the time.
Quote from: SGOS on March 05, 2018, 02:34:05 PM
For me, it's best to let that stuff go. Life is to short to be angry all the time.
That is current. Life is too short to NOT notice such things...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 03:50:48 PM
That is current. Life is too short to NOT notice such things...
I quite agree. The Clintons, the Bushes ... Dick Cheney ... and perhaps now the Obama family, are still in the secret D or R party lair, planning further mayhem. None of these ... people have gone away. So yes please, forget that the 1960 election was stolen, the 2000 election was stolen etc ...
Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 07:40:54 PM
I quite agree. The Clintons, the Bushes ... Dick Cheney ... and perhaps now the Obama family, are still in the secret D or R party lair, planning further mayhem. None of these ... people have gone away. So yes please, forget that the 1960 election was stolen, the 2000 election was stolen etc ...
We those thingsourselfs. Makes difference. We cheat ourselfs; "GOOD", others cheat ourselfs; "BAD"! PUNISH "BAD"... Grunt, grunt...
With regard to the Americanâ€"or at least Ohio'sâ€"attitude toward guns, let me just offer this:
| Barber | Driver | Gun Owner |
State license | Yes | Yes | No |
Renewal | Every 2 years | Every 4 years | N/A |
Training | 1800 hrs barber school | 24 hrs driving school including
8 hrs behind the wheel | 8 hrs for carry permit, otherwise no |
Test | Yes | Yes | No |
Insurance | (unable to locate info) | Yes | No |
I just can't see how this is an appropriate assessment of the potential risks involved with each class of 'licensee'.
Quote from: trdsf on March 08, 2018, 08:43:06 AM
With regard to the Americanâ€"or at least Ohio'sâ€"attitude toward guns, let me just offer this:
| Barber | Driver | Gun Owner |
State license | Yes | Yes | No |
Renewal | Every 2 years | Every 4 years | N/A |
Training | 1800 hrs barber school | 24 hrs driving school including
8 hrs behind the wheel | 8 hrs for carry permit, otherwise no |
Test | Yes | Yes | No |
Insurance | (unable to locate info) | Yes | No |
I just can't see how this is an appropriate assessment of the potential risks involved with each class of 'licensee'.
It looked right in your post... But be that as it may, sure, We definitely need to license barbers more than gun-owners. A bad haircut could KILL you on a date, but a gun won't. Right...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 08, 2018, 08:48:46 AM
It looked right in your post... But be that as it may, sure, We definitely need to license barbers more than gun-owners. A bad haircut could KILL you on a date, but a gun won't. Right...
But I assume your disappointed date will use a gun that kills you for the haircut.
Quote from: SGOS on March 08, 2018, 08:53:31 AM
But I assume your disappointed date will use a gun that kills you for the haircut.
LOL! Actually I am considering shaving my scalp bald. It's not like there is much to loose... And it WOULD grow back eventually if I didn't like it...
(http://img_3653.jpg)
You could have your head waxed...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 08, 2018, 05:49:22 AM
We those thingsourselfs. Makes difference. We cheat ourselfs; "GOOD", others cheat ourselfs; "BAD"! PUNISH "BAD"... Grunt, grunt...
Be more bear like, not more ape like ...
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 08, 2018, 01:32:01 PM
You could have your head waxed...
I want the bear to have a body wax, particularly the Brazilian part ...
Well, you all decide...
(http://img_3653.jpg)
Don't shave your head. Well no, actually you decide.
Quote from: SGOS on March 08, 2018, 04:20:52 PM
Don't shave your head. Well no, actually you decide.
Oh man the picture didn't get through?
OH wait a minute, this is making sense. The Admins admitted my account was messed up when I FINALLY convinced them I really couldn't put Baruch on "ignore" (and they checked) and I bet that is why I can never get pictures to display either! I really thought that was me...
Well, Bull Shannon on Night Court was bald, and he was gorgeous!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y-7lcuFHDo
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 08, 2018, 05:15:18 PM
Well, Bull Shannon on Night Court was bald, and he was gorgeous!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y-7lcuFHDo
I would kinna be Mr Lumpy Head... Though I MIGHT manage a sort of Telly Savalas look
OK, but I'm NOT gonna shave my head if I can't display a picture...
And I can think of at least 2 work-arounds... Can you?
Well, you could just wear a shower cap.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 08, 2018, 05:34:51 PM
Well, you could just wear a shower cap.
Right, and get my AARP card for Golden Corral and Denny's. LOL!
As for the Orange Disaster Area's desire to arm teachers... yeah, nothing could possibly go wrong with that (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/14/teacher-accidentally-discharges-firearm-in-calif-classroom-he-was-trained-in-gun-use/?utm_term=.700950b7620d). And this teacher was both gun-trained and a reserve police officer.
Oh, joy. A second incident with armed school personnel (https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/School-Resource-Officer-Accidentally-Fires-Weapon-Inside-School-476676103.html) -- two in one day.
Yeah, guns really make schools safer, don't they?
Never a dull moment in America!
Yeah, guns in schools (and elsewhere) sure make things safer for everyone!
Another useful response. A Pennsylvania school district wasted $1800 on useless 16" bats for the teachers in their district as symbolic weapons of last resort (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43724886). Which is probably more expensive, but marginally less stupid than five gallon buckets of river rocks which ultimately is just ammunition for bullies to get into (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43523797).
All this to protect guns rather than students.
Quote from: trdsf on April 11, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Another useful response. A Pennsylvania school district wasted $1800 on useless 16" bats for the teachers in their district as symbolic weapons of last resort (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43724886). Which is probably more expensive, but marginally less stupid than five gallon buckets of river rocks which ultimately is just ammunition for bullies to get into (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43523797).
All this to protect guns rather than students.
Chain the students to their desks, from 0730 until 1530, with bathroom breaks while under guard. Schools are prisons for the young, are they not?
Quote from: trdsf on April 11, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Another useful response. A Pennsylvania school district wasted $1800 on useless 16" bats for the teachers in their district as symbolic weapons of last resort (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43724886). Which is probably more expensive, but marginally less stupid than five gallon buckets of river rocks which ultimately is just ammunition for bullies to get into (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43523797).
All this to protect guns rather than students.
Stupid solutions to serious problems are worse than ignoring problems sometimes... They give the illusion of solving serious problems rather than solving the actual problems. The solution to too many guns is "fewer guns". But we aren't ready to deal with that yet. Too many damn old white fart guys thinking they have to be prepared to replicate the 1776 revolution.
As if...
The next generation probably will, and if I am still around, I will shout HUZZAH!