I am OK with that. As long as it is not Christian prayers. That would be inpermissible.
https://youtu.be/nEhk_J-A1fY
The prayers are repeated 17 times every day.
The prayer al Fatiha is cursing Christians and Jews.
Not many kuffar know that.
What a mighty pissant you are.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 17, 2018, 06:48:02 AM
What a mighty pissant you are.
How about watching the video first and opening a narrative about the subject of Muslim prayer, which is what it was about, instead of opening with just insults aimed at the op for unprovoked reasons
Nah.
My post points out the double standard of the left.
Christian prayers are forbidden, but Muslim prayers are just fine.
I don't see the big deal. They're not harming anyone.
Quote from: pr126 on February 17, 2018, 11:58:58 AM
My post points out the double standard of the left.
Christian prayers are forbidden, but Muslim prayers are just fine.
Except this is a complete lie. Please tell me you know this.
If you want to bring up double standards, you should look toward God-Fearing Christians and their widespread anti-Muslim bigotry.
Quote from: pr126 on February 17, 2018, 11:58:58 AM
My post points out the double standard of the left.
Christian prayers are forbidden, but Muslim prayers are just fine.
Mostly all you do is point out your own double standards, through example...
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Quote from: Sal1981 on February 17, 2018, 12:58:35 PM
I don't see the big deal. They're not harming anyone.
But Christian prayers in schools do?
Quote from: pr126 on February 18, 2018, 04:16:19 AM
But Christian prayers in schools do?
so you are claiming that Christian kids can’t pray in school, but Muslim kids can? Is this your claim? You need to start working on your critical thinking skills or I don’t hold much hope for your future.
I thought that anyone could pray in an american school. Those prayers just can't be led by a teacher.
Quote from: Jason78 on February 18, 2018, 06:13:11 AM
I thought that anyone could pray in an american school. Those prayers just can't be led by a teacher.
This. I have no problems with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, followers of the one true God and destroyer Cthullu or whoever praying in school, so long as it is not lead by teachers and staff or interferes with class time.
I think it's pretentious as shit, particularly for Christians who don't have a religious mandate to do it, but if an individual wants to pray and isn't forcing someone else to, or shaming someone else for not, then it's none of my business.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 18, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
This. I have no problems with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, followers of the one true God and destroyer Cthullu or whoever praying in school, so long as it is not lead by teachers and staff or interferes with class time.
I think it's pretentious as shit, particularly for Christians who don't have a religious mandate to do it, but if an individual wants to pray and isn't forcing someone else to, or shaming someone else for not, then it's none of my business.
see, THIS is how you have a conversation about this kind of thing, no ad hominem, no insults, just opening the board on thoughts on this system at play.
I agree, people should have the right to teach their religious gobbledegook within environments designed for them to do so, just as long as its not forced onto a secular setting, there are religious schools for that.
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This. I have no problems with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, followers of the one true God and destroyer Cthullu or whoever praying in school, so long as it is not lead by teachers and staff or interferes with class time.
I think it's pretentious as shit, particularly for Christians who don't have a religious mandate to do it, but if an individual wants to pray and isn't forcing someone else to, or shaming someone else for not, then it's none of my business.
EXACTLY. Are you paying attention, PR126?
Quote from: Munch on February 18, 2018, 09:17:28 AM
see, THIS is how you have a conversation about this kind of thing, no ad hominem, no insults, just opening the board on thoughts on this system at play.
I am angry about the bigotry in this country. It got that horrific mess elected president, and it gets people killed every day. FORGIVE me for getting snippy with a person who posts outright lies and then tells me to "get lost" when I challenge it.
You are goddamn right I am angry.
Quote from: Jason78 on February 18, 2018, 06:13:11 AM
I thought that anyone could pray in an american school. Those prayers just can't be led by a teacher.
your thoughts are correct.
Anyone can pray in school no one is saying otherwise. As long as it isn't enforced/forced/guided prayer by faculty/teaching staff, anyone can pray
Hichens says it well here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpocp9b68Q
pr is constantly insisting the rhetoric in what Hichens calls "an incredibly stupid question".
Quote from: Mermaid on February 18, 2018, 11:39:02 AM
I am angry about the bigotry in this country. It got that horrific mess elected president, and it gets people killed every day. FORGIVE me for getting snippy with a person who posts outright lies and then tells me to "get lost" when I challenge it.
You are goddamn right I am angry.
that wasn't targeted at you, you did bring it into question and ask for elaboration.
Quote from: Munch on February 18, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
that wasn't targeted at you, you did bring it into question and ask for elaboration.
I did not mean to imply that it was.
Quote from: pr126 on February 17, 2018, 04:51:30 AM
I am OK with that. As long as it is not Christian prayers. That would be inpermissible.
https://youtu.be/nEhk_J-A1fY
The prayers are repeated 17 times every day.
The prayer al Fatiha is cursing Christians and Jews.
Not many kuffar know that.
Actually it is similar to the Our Father and Psalm 1. Anyone who isn't religious, and religious with the right god ... is damned. Abrahamic religions agree on that point.
Quote from: Sal1981 on February 17, 2018, 12:58:35 PM
I don't see the big deal. They're not harming anyone.
SCOTUS disagrees with you. But then I would shit-can the SCOTUS already.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 17, 2018, 01:16:48 PM
Except this is a complete lie. Please tell me you know this.
If you want to bring up double standards, you should look toward God-Fearing Christians and their widespread anti-Muslim bigotry.
It isn't duplicitous to be partisan, it is normal. Only total lunatics want equality for their enemies, let alone love them.
Quote from: Jason78 on February 18, 2018, 06:13:11 AM
I thought that anyone could pray in an american school. Those prayers just can't be led by a teacher.
Correct. In certain places it is still done, like at commencements and HS football games. We just don't allow Yankees to witness it.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 18, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
This. I have no problems with Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, followers of the one true God and destroyer Cthullu or whoever praying in school, so long as it is not lead by teachers and staff or interferes with class time.
I think it's pretentious as shit, particularly for Christians who don't have a religious mandate to do it, but if an individual wants to pray and isn't forcing someone else to, or shaming someone else for not, then it's none of my business.
Required, orthodox prayers, when scheduled during school time, do interfere with class time. Or we can give Muslim and non-Muslim kids multiple recess to correspond with the required timing. Catholics have a set of required timed prayers also. That is why mechanical clocks were invented ... so all the brothers and sisters can pray synchronously.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 18, 2018, 11:39:02 AM
I am angry about the bigotry in this country. It got that horrific mess elected president, and it gets people killed every day. FORGIVE me for getting snippy with a person who posts outright lies and then tells me to "get lost" when I challenge it.
You are goddamn right I am angry.
I am sorry you are angry. Anyone is angry. But we live in a shitty world, and if you don't get angry about it ... then you would have no conscience.
Quote from: Baruch on February 18, 2018, 08:59:59 PM
Correct. In certain places it is still done, like at commencements and HS football games. We just don't allow Yankees to witness it.
I watched a Ft Worth Texas HS football game once on travel (and it was more like "travail"). My experience was mostly crazy people and fire ants if you stood in one place for 2 minutes!
Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 02:11:23 AM
I watched a Ft Worth Texas HS football game once on travel (and it was more like "travail"). My experience was mostly crazy people and fire ants if you stood in one place for 2 minutes!
Sorry, but fire ants don't like fur. Yes, Texas is a "whole other country" even to other Southern folk. I am ambivalent about being from there, but at least not bored by it (Delaware ... home of corporate charters).
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 07:31:06 AM
Sorry, but fire ants don't like fur. Yes, Texas is a "whole other country" even to other Southern folk. I am ambivalent about being from there, but at least not bored by it (Delaware ... home of corporate charters).
Dallas is the most Western city of the East and Ft Worth is the most Eastern City of the West. I prefer Dallas (but not by much).
Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 07:57:24 AM
Dallas is the most Western city of the East and Ft Worth is the most Eastern City of the West. I prefer Dallas (but not by much).
Haven't spent enough time to there to know. I have been to Ft Worth multiple times (have a friend who lives there) .. but only been to Dallas once, and Arlington (in between) twice. My father's natural mother is buried in Ft Worth.
Quote from: Baruch on February 18, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
It isn't duplicitous to be partisan, it is normal. Only total lunatics want equality for their enemies, let alone love them.
It isn't normal to have a double standard about religion and to lie to support their argument. Only total hypocrites think otherwise.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 20, 2018, 06:06:00 PM
It isn't normal to have a double standard about religion and to lie to support their argument. Only total hypocrites think otherwise.
The Church of Satan disagrees with you. But you are right about the other churches, they are idiots compared to LaVey. Lacking in integrity ... aka delusional and being a deceitful POS ... is the default position for humans. Life isn't about integrity, it is about predation.
What is the Truth? - Pontius Pilatus. Now there was a government employee who knew what he was doing.
School-led prayer, or "student-led" prayers that is clearly pushed by religious adults, is not legal in public schools, and it doesn't matter what the religion is. However, individual students are free to pray as they choose.
PR believes everything is right so long as everyone believes as he does.