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Title: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 11, 2018, 02:42:45 PM
An new ToC to a new textbook, as an example of contemporary/historical thinking

https://media.wwnorton.com/cms/contents/NINTPHIL2_TOC.pdf
Title: Re: Into to Philosophy ...
Post by: GSOgymrat on January 12, 2018, 08:44:55 AM
Why does philosophy of religion precede epistemology?
Title: Re: Into to Philosophy ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 12, 2018, 10:40:28 AM
And why does it get you stuttering?
Title: Re: Into to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2018, 12:41:05 PM
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Why does philosophy of religion precede epistemology?

I think you''re over-interpreting.  Does a teacher simply follow chapt1, chapt 2 ... ?

A ToC is too linear, particularly for something as CF as philosophy.

I would have definitely started with epistemology (Part II) ... not philosophy of religion (Part I).
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: GSOgymrat on January 12, 2018, 01:01:22 PM
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I think you''re over-interpreting.  Does a teacher simply follow chapt1, chapt 2 ... ?

A ToC is too linear, particularly for something as CF as philosophy.

I was just curious. I'm sure the authors put a lot of thought into which order to present these concepts.
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2018, 06:11:05 PM
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I was just curious. I'm sure the authors put a lot of thought into which order to present these concepts.

I don't have the teacher's guide.  Usually the details of what to cover, in what order, and to what degree ... is covered there (a syllabus).  This is just an outline of a textbook.  Though of fairly conventional type.

Here is the book itself:
http://books.wwnorton.com/books/webad.aspx?id=4294990327

The instructor materials are behind an e-wall.

Here is an SJW version ;-)

https://medium.com/@samliao/how-is-this-course-intro-to-philosophy-9d8f6019902d

Basically philosophy as politics.
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Jason78 on January 13, 2018, 09:34:26 AM
Are you going to read it?
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 13, 2018, 01:26:34 PM
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Are you going to read it?

The conventional one?  I have been studying those subjects for 45 years now.  But I do find it interesting when someone tries to be comprehensive, about something as fluffy as Philosophy.

Here is a popular intro ... 11 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A_CAkYt3GY

There are countless videos on Youtube on specific philosophers and philosophical concepts.

There is the Oxford continuing education series ... 1 hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tCl66AbkqI

The regular Oxford intro lectures ... 8 hours total
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdCBGWcd4qw&list=PL15B27D1CC30B785D

Otherwise, how to think like a Western college educated person, from a secular POV

Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 13, 2018, 03:02:48 PM
Philosophy is about questions, not answers.  Any categorizing is approximate but ...

The "what", "where" and "when" questions are answered by "sciences" .. they are objective

The "who", "why" and "how" questions are answered by "humanities" .. they are subjective

From German culture, from the "humanities" we get the "Requiem" by Mozart ... and from the same German culture, we get Zyklon B, from the "sciences".  Both relate to "death".

The problem with curricula ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Egxm5QuW9o&index=3&list=PLnVWk_KQVkaOpRs4vchu-aQ_ZmFyJBW8j

I am like a professor of cultural mining ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFFAytPASD0&list=PLnVWk_KQVkaOpRs4vchu-aQ_ZmFyJBW8j&index=2
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 08:45:43 AM
Philosophy is the study of questions that can't be answered.  And they spent their time trying to answer those questions.  If you have no talent at anything, philosophy is the thing to do.
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
Yes, and Socrates didn't work for a living, he just went around annoying people.
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 10:08:52 AM
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Yes, and Socrates didn't work for a living, he just went around annoying people.

Apparently.  Can you name anything (and this is a softball question for you) he actually accomplished?
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 10:10:30 AM
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Apparently.  Can you name anything (and this is a softball question for you) he actually accomplished?

Like many a martyr, he became famous, because he was killed unjustly, and had a good post-death press.  Where to you think Christianity comes from?
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 10:15:19 AM
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Like many a martyr, he became famous, because he was killed unjustly, and had a good post-death press.  Where to you think Christianity comes from?

So he died and became famous for it, and THAT is his claim to fame?  Not much of a martyr.  And besides the Jesus myth comes from Mithraism anyway.
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 10:20:12 AM
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So he died and became famous for it, and THAT is his claim to fame?  Not much of a martyr.  And besides the Jesus myth comes from Mithraism anyway.

Not just Mithraism ... or it would be dead, like Mithraism.  Jews had a martyr cult too, from the time of the Maccabees.  It doesn't take Gentiles to explain Jewish behavior problems ;-)

Socrates was actually guilty, and did death by cop (jury).
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 10:27:37 AM
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Not just Mithraism ... or it would be dead, like Mithraism.  Jews had a martyr cult too, from the time of the Maccabees.  It doesn't take Gentiles to explain Jewish behavior problems ;-)

Socrates was actually guilty, and did death by cop (jury).

I will grant that Socrates was guilty by his society but not in ours,  except that being REALLY REALLY annoying is usually socially fatal in some way. 

The Jews had a martyr cult?  Oh be still, my beating heart!  Image such a concept! About 3000 years of it right to today...  LMAO!
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
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I will grant that Socrates was guilty by his society but not in ours,  except that being REALLY REALLY annoying is usually socially fatal in some way. 

The Jews had a martyr cult?  Oh be still, my beating heart!  Image such a concept! About 3000 years of it right to today...  LMAO!

About 2200 years old.  That ended with Likud.  Now we martyr others (King David hotel).
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 10:35:01 AM
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About 2200 years old.  That ended with Likud.  Now we martyr others (King David hotel).

Well, give or take 800 years, as you please.  The timeline is all mythological anyway.
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 10:36:24 AM
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Well, give or take 800 years, as you please.  The timeline is all mythological anyway.

And circular.  I have posted this same post many times thru the eons ...
Title: Re: Intro to Philosophy ...
Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 10:38:26 AM
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And circular.  I have posted this same post many times thru the eons ...

Well, no wonder you look so old in your avatar.  All those errors in debating.