Chump wasn't elected, he was selected by the Electoral College.
Either that, or it was the lizard people...
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 07, 2018, 05:52:23 PM
Chump wasn't elected, he was selected by the Electoral College.
That's one of the ones left out. Plus gerrymandering. Imo, both were contributing factors.
The thing that bugs me about this is that there's no one cause, just a bunch of little things that added up to this SNAFU. Major events rarely have only a single cause, so that's a foolish thing to expect.
But I will offer up this observation: if the Republican contenders had been stronger, Trump would've never secured the nomination in the first place. And it goes without saying that the Democrats (particularly the DNC) dropped the ball as well. Trump, like Putin, exploited weakness/vulnerability to achieve his aims. We need to step up next time around, or that's just going to happen again.
Because Libertarians suck.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 07, 2018, 07:48:43 PM
Because Libertarians suck.
Black folk who won't get out and vote for a white feminist ... are ???
Quote from: Baruch on January 07, 2018, 09:30:52 PM
Black folk who won't get out and vote for a white feminist ... are ???
Coons.
Lolololol
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 07, 2018, 10:57:11 PM
Coons.
(https://ubistatic19-a.akamaihd.net/resource/en-gb/game/southpark/thefracturedbutwhole/spfbw-thecoon.png)
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 07, 2018, 05:52:23 PM
Chump wasn't elected, he was selected by the Electoral College.
Either that, or it was the lizard people...
That is sad but true. Wyoming gets an electoral vote per 193,000 people; California gets an electoral vote per 727,000 people. So if you are in Wyoming, you count as 4 Californians. That has to change.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 10, 2018, 11:17:22 AM
That is sad but true. Wyoming gets an electoral vote per 193,000 people; California gets an electoral vote per 727,000 people. So if you are in Wyoming, you count as 4 Californians. That has to change.
Cheney ... who is from Wyoming ... So? What are you going to do, cry?
Quote from: Baruch on January 10, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Cheney ... who is from Wyoming ... So? What are you going to do, cry?
No. I want to see the idiot system changed to be fair. I'll live with whoever wins, so long as it is fairly done. You can't have democracy with a cheated system.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 10, 2018, 04:27:26 PM
No. I want to see the idiot system changed to be fair. I'll live with whoever wins, so long as it is fairly done. You can't have democracy with a cheated system.
True ... but ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Prc1UfuokY
Quote from: Baruch on January 10, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
True ... but ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Prc1UfuokY
When someones says"but" run for the hills!
But, Oops...
Saw a really good Joe Rogan podcast with Louis Theroux, where Joe pointed out that the voting system in the U.S. was from a time when communication was by horse and there was a need for representative government. He didn't really give an alternative, just pointed out that it was a different time and the government style was formulated by the standards back then. Today, obviously, communication is almost instant and you can communicate with a wide range of people over the Internet using any number of platforms, contrasted with the old-style snail-mail.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 11, 2018, 06:17:43 AM
Saw a really good Joe Rogan podcast with Louis Theroux, where Joe pointed out that the voting system in the U.S. was from a time when communication was by horse and there was a need for representative government. He didn't really give an alternative, just pointed out that it was a different time and the government style was formulated by the standards back then. Today, obviously, communication is almost instant and you can communicate with a wide range of people over the Internet using any number of platforms, contrasted with the old-style snail-mail.
Here's a thought...
I think we need a new Constitution. But I would fight against the idea. I won't trust politicians to make a new one that makes any sense.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 18, 2018, 10:24:21 AM
Here's a thought...
I think we need a new Constitution. But I would fight against the idea. I won't trust politicians to make a new one that makes any sense.
It would be far worse now, than the one we have. People have disproven evolution, because Americans are de-evolving back into lower life forms.
Quote from: Baruch on January 18, 2018, 01:20:13 PM
It would be far worse now, than the one we have. People have disproven evolution, because Americans are de-evolving back into lower life forms.
You just HAD to go say something stupid again! And you had been doing so well recently.
I think when Baruch says things that can be perceived as stupid, his tongue is firmly ensconced in his cheek. Not necessarily the cheek below his eyes, though...
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 18, 2018, 02:13:35 PM
I think when Baruch says things that can be perceived as stupid, his tongue is firmly ensconced in his cheek. Not necessarily the cheek below his eyes, though...
Then, the rules of intelligent snark demand a hint... Like maybe a Scrabble tile-holder with letters out of order.
I bet he starts thinking about that in 3...2...1...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 18, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
Then, the rules of intelligent snark demand a hint... Like maybe a Scrabble tile-holder with letters out of order.
I bet he starts thinking about that in 3...2...1...
Mahjong, Capitalist running dog!
Quote from: Cavebear on January 18, 2018, 10:24:21 AM
Here's a thought...
I think we need a new Constitution. But I would fight against the idea. I won't trust politicians to make a new one that makes any sense.
If we start over and wipe the board clean our enemies would leap for joy to smash us flat.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 20, 2018, 04:43:12 PM
If we start over and wipe the board clean our enemies would leap for joy to smash us flat.
Three choices ...
1. No constitution
2. Unwritten constitution
3. Written constitution
Two ways of changing a written constitution ...
1. Ignore it
2. Amend it
3. Have new convention
People who didn't like a minimal suppression of chattel slavery, wanted to ignore it. People who don't like something, say the Electoral College, want to suborn it. Yes, the Federal government was all powerful in 1860 ... very scary ... not! But it is much more powerful now. The world is a much more dangerous place.
A suggestion for disgruntled Democrats in 1860 or 2016 ... get an amendment passed. Then you have no problem with secession of Mississippi or California. Then you don't have to worry about the Electoral College. Get off your anti-social asses.
The first convention wasn't a reasonable thing, it was a coup de etat by Franklin, Washington et al. It created bad blood with the anti-Federalists, who created serious trouble 73 years later. Just amend it, don't abolish it. Oh .... and D and R Johnny Rebs ... do support the existing constitution, don't ignore it. This leads to FEMA camps under some sort of dictatorship ... you won't like it.
Quote from: Baruch on January 21, 2018, 09:10:39 AM
Yes, the Federal government was all powerful in 1860 ... very scary ... not!
The Federal Government was very weak in 1860. It could barely call up troops, depended on the States for compliance, and hardly even had a finance system.
I can't tell whether you know that and ignore facts for an arguement in your favor, or don't know. Either way, your arguement is false.
It was satire. Back to bed, old man ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 07:24:01 AM
It was satire. Back to bed, old man ;-)
It wasn't and you are retreating. Facts get in your way.