Darwinian selection. Start in the kindergarten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA8fgaBSDUw
What a fuckin' one-trick pony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCylgI-PV9c
There was a time when it was allowed that kids could develop naturally into what they wanted to be.
Nowadays, certain parents want to force their virtue signalling on their kids.
This reminds me of the horror movie sleepaway camp.
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/10/03/the-psychology-of-sex-differences-5-revealing-insights-from-our-primate-cousins/
QuoteThere are behavioural differences, on average, between the sexes â€" few would dispute that. Where the debate rages is over how much these differences are the result of social pressures versus being rooted in our biology (the answer often is that there is a complex interaction between the two).
For example, when differences are observed between girls and boys, such as in preferences for play, one possibility is that this is partly or wholly because of the contrasting ways that girls and boys are influenced by their peers, parents and other adults (because of the ideas they have about how the sexes ought to behave). Studying non-human primates allows us to identity sex differences in behavior that can’t be due to human culture and gender beliefs.
Learning more about the biological roots of behavioural sex differences should not be used as an excuse for harmful stereotyping or discrimination, but it can help us better understand our human nature and the part that evolved sex differences play in some of the most important issues that affect our lives, including around diversity, relationships, mental health, crime and education.
Earlier this year, as part of a special issue of the Journal of Neuroscience Research â€" titled “An Issue Whose Time Has Come: Sex/Gender Influences on Nervous System Function†â€" Elizabeth Lonsdorf at Franklin and Marshall College published a useful mini-review detailing some of the sex differences observed among monkey and ape infants and juveniles.
“Many sex differences in behavioral development exist in nonhuman primates,†she writes, “despite a comparative lack of sex-biased treatment by mothers and other social partnersâ€. Here is a digested account of five of these behavioural sex differences:
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In human cultures across the world, boys tend to spend more time away from their mothers as compared with girls, which may reflect an early tendency toward greater risk taking. The same is true in chimps. For a 2014 paper, Lonsdorf and her colleagues, including famed zoologist Jane Goodall, conducted the most detailed ever analysis of the development of wild chimpanzees, observing 40 chimps from birth to age 5. They found that, by age 3, male infants showed greater physical distance from their mothers than females. The males began moving about on their own earlier than females and covered more distances independently. These and other findings from the study “suggest that some biologically based sex differences in behavior may have been present in the common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans, and operated independently from the influences of modern sex-biased parental behavior and gender socialization,†the researchers said.
its almost like girls and boys are two different species :O
I must admit though, I do find it hilarious how in sweden, you have these kind of moral crusaders forcing gender confusion on kids, force hammering virtue signalling, and claiming they are trying to make society a better place in doing so, meanwhile certain.. visitors from far away lands flocking to places like germany and sweden, are as opposed to those ideals these people want, I just imagine one of them waving a multicultural flag in the face of these visitors, before they get a brick to their head from the their nice new friends.
Advocacy is a terrible responsibility. And terrible people wield it ... whether from the children of King Gustavus Adolphus (not everyone in Europe appreciated his intervention) or from the children of Caliph Umar. Both guys were advocates ... of Swedish Protestant anti-imperialism on the one hand, and Arabic Islamic imperialism on the other hand.
Give kids alternatives, and let them choose. But fence it in, for their safety. Encourage their exploration, but warn them if it crosses a boundary. I have no problem with gender spectrum from masculine to feminine and everything in between. Of course, ultimately, parents are the problem ... they don't know what they are doing, and they might be advocating something.
"Are you shocked?" Not really.
Quote from: Sal1981 on December 31, 2017, 06:44:05 PM
"Are you shocked?" Not really.
You're supposed to be. PR is here to shock us out of our liberal shell. Pity he has no idea how to do that.
I got two minutes into it... the penis thing is a bit much for my woodsy Southern sensabilities, but god forbid they make a book that addresses the reality of there being two mothers or fathers in a house, or promote that girls can be pirates and boys princes! That is TOO FAR, gawt damn it! LGBT members of society don't exist and women belong in the fucking kitchen, not doing bad ass shit like being pirates or ninjas.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 31, 2017, 08:12:38 PM
I got two minutes into it... the penis thing is a bit much for my woodsy Southern sensabilities, but god forbid they make a book that addresses the reality of there being two mothers or fathers in a house, or promote that girls can be pirates and boys princes! That is TOO FAR, gawt damn it! LGBT members of society don't exist and women belong in the fucking kitchen, not doing bad ass shit like being pirates or ninjas.
certain thats not what its advocating, rather its forcing this on kids instead of letting things develop naturally in what children what to do.
I talked to my mum about this, and she recalled how back in the 80s she worked as a playgroup teacher, looking after kids as well as me and her friends kids at infant schools, and she remembered watching kids just discovering things and using their imagination. They had any selections of toys and games to play with, were read classic childrens story books, and nothing was forced on them but the groups were all treated equally, safely, and not pushing an agenda on them.
Quote from: Munch on December 31, 2017, 08:33:44 PM
certain thats not what its advocating, rather its forcing this on kids instead of letting things develop naturally in what children what to do.
I talked to my mum about this, and she recalled how back in the 80s she worked as a playgroup teacher, looking after kids as well as me and her friends kids at infant schools, and she remembered watching kids just discovering things and using their imagination. They had any selections of toys and games to play with, were read classic childrens story books, and nothing was forced on them but the groups were all treated equally, safely, and not pushing an agenda on them.
Its a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory is driven by paranoia. Paranoia is driven by schizophrenia ... which is our natural social condition, and individual condition. We are all men-women ... and our social structure is masculine-feminine.
The conspiracy theory is that ... all Leftists are French, ultimately anti-West. Of course religion (Judeo-Christian) makes up half of Western civilization, the other half being secular (Greco-Roman). French revolutionaries were also progressive in actual practice, there was a jump in social development and technical development (Napoleonic war tends to do that). Religious Leftists would be pro-pagan.
The only pro-Western revolutionaries were in the New World (13 Colonies plus S America under Bolivar) ... because we weren't part of the clerical backlash (this did happen in Mexico during the 1920s) ... free religion, not anti-religion or established religion. And of course the Europeans had a problem of liquidating the royalty and nobility ... that America didn't have at first.
Americans are slowly becoming more European (thanks Britain). France is still anti-Anglophone, never a good partner during peacetime, and not much of a partner during wartime. So among us Anglophones, the French revolution has a different connotation than it does for the non-English speakers. And everyone gets it ... that the Russian revolution was born in Paris, not Moscow.
So in that context, anytime the Left advocates something ... it seems to the Right (who are projecting) that the Left is simply using freedom of choice as an open door to make something mandatory. Like Islamists participating in free elections, only to establish Sharia and abolish elections.
Why so serious?
I am only showing what the left is doing. The left that you so wholeheartedly support.
You should be proud. It is all in a good cause. Onwards toward utopia!
Which has been tried many times in the past, and each time it produced a huge pile of dead bodies.
This time it will be perfect.
If you first don't succeed, try and try again.
Left bad. Right good. We get it.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 01, 2018, 06:30:11 AM
Left bad. Right good. We get it.
both can be shitty, thats what to get.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 01, 2018, 06:30:11 AM
Left bad. Right good. We get it.
Human bad ... Left or Right. So as a Leftist you accuse the Right of being partisan? Bwhwhwha ... project much? They are both advocates, and expect to be obeyed, as the tyrants they are. But the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants.
Some Brits understand this. King Charles I ... was a tyrant. He was replaced by Oliver Cromwell ... who was a different tyrant. Assholes are just that.
Quote from: Munch on January 01, 2018, 07:34:29 AM
both can be shitty, thats what to get.
Not if you're as politically polarized as PR. His note pads are one inch wide.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 01, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
Not if you're as politically polarized as PR. His note pads are one inch wide.
Are you not politically polarized? I think you are.
Anyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?
Quote from: pr126 on January 02, 2018, 04:24:53 AM
Are you not politically polarized? I think you are.
Anyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?
Just a curse word, an ad hominem ... like communist or atheist ;-)
QuoteYou should be proud. It is all in a good cause. Onwards toward utopia!
Quite proud, it's good to see a society not stuck in the sixteen hundreds that believes women are good for only have babies, men are only good for fighting and dying, and that recognizes LGBT+ members as human beings, much less legitimate members of society.
QuoteAnyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?
Okay, Hitler, calm your tits.
Quote from: pr126 on January 02, 2018, 04:24:53 AMAre you not politically polarized? I think you are.
Well, he's got ya with political polarization. From what I've seen from you so far, Dems are painted as West-hating traitors and dhimmis whose true loyalties lie with radical muslims who want them dead. Anyone to the left of Hannity probably looks at that and wonders about your sanity.
QuoteAnyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?
In fairness, you do sorta give off a fascist/nazi vibe. Maybe it's the fixation on Muslims and the pressing need for a "final solution" to the problem and we're all sort of left wondering what exactly you meant by that. In the absence of any denial or clarification, making that sort of connection is pretty understandable.
It would be interesting to talk with you (and everyone else) about what sort of society we should aspire towards and what the role of government should be in said society. An actual conversation with you not revolving around Muslims would be a nice change of pace.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2018, 09:15:06 AMIn fairness, you do sorta give off a fascist/nazi vibe. Maybe it's the fixation on Muslims and the pressing need for a "final solution" to the problem and we're all sort of left wondering what exactly you meant by that. In the absence of any denial or clarification, making that sort of connection is pretty understandable.
Weird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam, and the few instances hitler talked about it it was with a hint of admiration. Sounds like you're talking out your ass about stuff you have no idea about. Funny that.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 03, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
Weird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam, and the few instances hitler talked about it it was with a hint of admiration. Sounds like you're talking out your ass about stuff you have no idea about. Funny that.
maybe because both nazis and islam has similar feelings in how to 'handle' jews and gays. Maybe it inspired him even.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 03, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
Weird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam, and the few instances hitler talked about it it was with a hint of admiration. Sounds like you're talking out your ass about stuff you have no idea about. Funny that.
Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Palestine got along fine. No doubt had General Rommel done even better, they would have been as colonized by Germany as they already were by Italy, France and GB.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2018, 09:15:06 AM
Well, he's got ya with political polarization. From what I've seen from you so far, Dems are painted as West-hating traitors and dhimmis whose true loyalties lie with radical muslims who want them dead. Anyone to the left of Hannity probably looks at that and wonders about your sanity.
...
It would be interesting to talk with you (and everyone else) about what sort of society we should aspire towards and what the role of government should be in said society. An actual conversation with you not revolving around Muslims would be a nice change of pace.
On the first part ... that is the stereotype. Democrats need to not live up to ugly stereotypes. Republicans have a stereotype also ... of being racist goons who want to give away the store to the nearest millionaire. They also need to not live up to that.
On the second part ... I think it deserves its own thread, don't you?
Quote from: Munch on January 03, 2018, 03:28:40 PM
maybe because both nazis and islam has similar feelings in how to 'handle' jews and gays. Maybe it inspired him even.
It's because they both believe might is right and are regressive in a traditionalist sense, yes.
Some people seem to prefer force over persuasion, for some reason, as if force has ever accomplished anything good.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 03, 2018, 03:35:05 PM
It's because they both believe might is right and are regressive in a traditionalist sense, yes.
If they were progressive, they would have realized that smart and wealthy Jews are an asset, not a liability. Envy isn't a good basis for a social policy. The Turkish sultan could see the advantage of that, in 1492, when the Sephardic Jews were expelled from Spain/Portugal. He took in as many as he could, though the most poor Jews ended up in NW Africa, far away from him. The Prussian king welcomed French Protestants when they were expelled by France in 1685. And his monarchy wasn't anti-Semitic. That was mostly in Catholicism, and in Islam outside of the Ottoman Empire. Persian Jews are still welcome in Iran (but they are Shia).
There were specific reasons for European anti-semitism after 1800, and Islamic anti-semitism after 1900.
Many cultures have believed that might makes right ... can't we say that is true in the US post 1991?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2018, 03:41:40 PM
Some people seem to prefer force over persuasion, for some reason, as if force has ever accomplished anything good.
Persuasion doesn't always work ... but it is universally better IMHO. Also it helps to be tolerant and non-militant. Intolerance and militancy leads to Final Solutions. It isn't always possible to be tolerant. And militancy is necessary when persuasion doesn't work.
Some people are too ambitious for their own good (Germany), and some people are too fearful for their own good (Russia). Japan then and now would be a good example of intolerance. France in 1940 vs 1914 ... is a good example of lack of militancy.
Quote from: Baruch on January 03, 2018, 03:42:45 PM
If they were progressive, they would have realized that smart and wealthy Jews are an asset, not a liability.
Depends if they're zionists or not :-)
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Quote from: Gilgamesh on January 03, 2018, 03:46:56 PM
Depends if they're zionists or not :-)
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Zionists are supposedly an asset to ancient Persia more than once. And to GB 1914 - 1918 (Turkey had become racist after 1900). And they are supposedly an asset to the US after about 1950 (Israel was initially supported by the Soviet Union, as Egypt was supported by GB). That all changed when Egypt expelled GB, and became an ally of the Soviet Union. And of course the Israelis, who remained anti-GB (given GB anti-Semitism 1918-1948), became pro-US slowly but surely. Though it can be argued that they are a troublesome ally. But then so is KSA (since 1944). GB and France, in the ME ... were known to be self-interested from 1798 forward, but could be played off against each other, sometimes. In the 19th century Russia and the US were also involved in the ME as second tier powers ... after 1945 they became first tier powers, and GB/France faded there and everywhere else.
Pretty much everywhere, outside of GB, the US and Persia ... Jewish fortunes sank from 1800 until now. Modern Israel is an anomaly, and they know that.
QuoteWeird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam...
I think he means he fantasizes and talks about Muslims alot like Nazi's did Jews.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 03, 2018, 04:30:52 PM
I think he means he fantasizes and talks about Muslims alot like Nazi's did Jews.
Correct, pr128 is ironically and unselfconsciously projecting. Originally as a Jewish person in Hungary, he would have reason to be paranoid about Catholics. He grew up in a transitional time and ended up far from home, and absorbed anti-Communism easily (this was also ironic as many Jews were Communist back then). With the fall of the Soviet Union, it may be necessary to have an existential enemy of some sort, to get up in the morning ;-( This is a Jewish cultural syndrome. There were Holocaust survivors in the US, who still kept their bags packed, in case a new Hitler arose in the US. Democrats are reacting like that to Trump.
I doubt Chump is intelligent enough to be a sHitler. It's the people in his circle that are scary.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2018, 06:23:03 PM
I doubt Chump is intelligent enough to be a sHitler. It's the people in his circle that are scary.
Hitler - I just love my groupies ... Goebbels, Himmler, Goring, Bormann, Funk, Speer, Donitz, Raeder, Keitel, Ribbentrop
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/hitlers-inner-circle-the-10-most-powerful-men-in-nazi-germany.html/2
But Dick Cheney even made Darth Vader scared with his man sized safe ...
http://www.sj-r.com/x680957872
Hitlery should know. Clinton Sith.
Quote from: pr126 on January 02, 2018, 04:24:53 AM
Are you not politically polarized? I think you are.
Anyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?
I certainly don't label the people I disagree with as "Nazis'. Just the ones who are.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 10, 2018, 12:04:52 PM
I certainly don't label the people I disagree with as "Nazis'. Just the ones who are.
You aren't old enough to have met one. But we have heard about them.
Quote from: Baruch on January 10, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
You aren't old enough to have met one. But we have heard about them.
Shirley you jest. The last ones aren't dead yet and there are modern ones.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 10, 2018, 03:35:18 PM
Shirley you jest. The last ones aren't dead yet and there are modern ones.
Cavemen Nazis, Space Nazis ... oh my!
Nazis that had power ... 1933-1945. Or are you calling all people to the Right of you, Nazis?
Quote from: Baruch on January 10, 2018, 03:36:51 PM
Cavemen Nazis, Space Nazis ... oh my!
Nazis that had power ... 1933-1945. Or are you calling all people to the Right of you, Nazis?
Only the ones that are truly Nazis. And do keep in mind that Nazism was a socialistic national idea closely related to Communism. Like Breitbart eg...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 10, 2018, 03:45:35 PM
Only the ones that are truly Nazis. And do keep in mind that Nazism was a socialistic national idea closely related to Communism. Like Breitbart eg...
A Stalinist Lysenkoist like you, would say so. That is why you are both man and bear .... Island of Dr Lysenko.
Quote from: Baruch on January 10, 2018, 03:54:22 PM
A Stalinist Lysenkoist like you, would say so. That is why you are both man and bear .... Island of Dr Lysenko.
I'm more Snowball than Napoleon...
In the extremes, soviet-style communism and corporate-state capitalism are nearly indistinguishable from each other.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on January 10, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
In the extremes, soviet-style communism and corporate-state capitalism are nearly indistinguishable from each other.
Correct. First industrialization, later computerization ... enable totalitarianism beyond the dreams of Nero. It matters not if the State owns everything, or you think you own something but the State owns you. And it is paid for by ... financialization which enables wealth beyond even the dreams of avarice ... in the hands of the Right people.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on January 10, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
In the extremes, soviet-style communism and corporate-state capitalism are nearly indistinguishable from each other.
Corporate State? Sure. A dictatorship from the right is very little different from one on the left. But it doesn't matter. We are entering a new age of Merchantalists.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 18, 2018, 10:27:57 AM
Corporate State? Sure. A dictatorship from the right is very little different from one on the left. But it doesn't matter. We are entering a new age of Merchantalists.
Confucian merchantalists. Don't forget your rice bowl.
Quote from: Baruch on January 18, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
Confucian merchantalists. Don't forget your rice bowl.
Indeed, the future holds more unregulated toxic Chinese crap and less of what used to mean something when it said "Made in America" to assure consumers that products were safe.
When I was younger, I never thought about the safety of rice because it came from regulated US sources. Now I do because it comes from places that don't watch over the sources.
Have some rice? Don't worry about where it came from. You can only die once.