While the main point is about feminism vs. MRA, the over-arching point really addresses the conflict between "left & right" and how both sides need to work together. All in all, I really enjoyed the speech, there were only two main issues I saw with it...
-She says she is no longer a feminist, nor became a MRA... but at the end of the day, if you support equality for women... you are a feminist. Period. Same for men's right... if you support improving men's rights... you are an MRA. Period. Rather than try to distance yourself from that label, you should own up to it.
-She was working with legitimate MRA's who actually are active in promoting men's rights. The reason MRA's have such a bad name is "men's rights" is used as an argument to silence voices for women's rights. The two should be, and she says this as well, working as one, but instead it is brought up as a way to destroy any type of progress for either side... that applies to both "MRA" but also "feminists" as well. But that goes back to my first problem... we shouldn't let the people who take those titles too far make us not identify as what we are.
I know lots of young women in the military. Some of them are outstanding people. None of them are anti-male. Treating men as enemy, is Marxism.
I'm for stopping all inequality and moving on from there...
Quote from: Shiranu on December 22, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
While the main point is about feminism vs. MRA, the over-arching point really addresses the conflict between "left & right" and how both sides need to work together. All in all, I really enjoyed the speech, there were only two main issues I saw with it...
-She says she is no longer a feminist, nor became a MRA... but at the end of the day, if you support equality for women... you are a feminist. Period. Same for men's right... if you support improving men's rights... you are an MRA. Period. Rather than try to distance yourself from that label, you should own up to it.
-She was working with legitimate MRA's who actually are active in promoting men's rights. The reason MRA's have such a bad name is "men's rights" is used as an argument to silence voices for women's rights. The two should be, and she says this as well, working as one, but instead it is brought up as a way to destroy any type of progress for either side... that applies to both "MRA" but also "feminists" as well. But that goes back to my first problem... we shouldn't let the people who take those titles too far make us not identify as what we are.
Are the labels useful? Is saying "I'm a feminist" any better than saying "I support gender equality?" There seems to be lack of consensus over what it means to be a feminist, for example, whether feminists can be pro-life.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 23, 2017, 03:40:20 AM
I'm for stopping all inequality and moving on from there...
Good ... you giving your pension to the local winos?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 23, 2017, 06:32:02 AM
Are the labels useful? Is saying "I'm a feminist" any better than saying "I support gender equality?" There seems to be lack of consensus over what it means to be a feminist, for example, whether feminists can be pro-life.
Women don't agree with each other, anymore than men agree with each other.
I had to search MRA. Men's Right's Activists? Geez. That's like billionaires needing a help group...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 23, 2017, 10:26:30 AM
I had to search MRA. Men's Right's Activists? Geez. That's like billionaires needing a help group...
Well then, you are a SJW ... from 1965. Un-groovy, man.
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
Well then, you are a SJW ... from 1965. Un-groovy, man.
No, in 1964 I supported Goldwasser (AUH2O).
THEN, I became a SJW.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 23, 2017, 12:51:15 PM
No, in 1964 I supported Goldwasser (AUH2O).
THEN, I became a SJW.
Well, you do support Berlin these days ... so definitely a Prussian drink like goldwasser would be your thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwasser#/media/File:Der_Lachs_Danziger_Goldwasser.jpg
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2017, 01:21:40 PM
Well, you do support Berlin these days ... so definitely a Prussian drink like goldwasser would be your thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwasser#/media/File:Der_Lachs_Danziger_Goldwasser.jpg
I generally rotate my 5 pm cocktails among Gin Buck, Singapore Sling, and Southern Comfort with Peach liquor. With hefty doses of ginger ale.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 23, 2017, 01:31:48 PM
I generally rotate my 5 pm cocktails among Gin Buck, Singapore Sling, and Southern Comfort with Peach liquor. With hefty doses of ginger ale.
Southern Comfort? That is raaaciiist.
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2017, 01:37:32 PM
Southern Comfort? That is raaaciiist.
Not with Peach liquor and ginger ale on ice its not. The drink, inspired it is...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 23, 2017, 10:26:30 AM
I had to search MRA. Men's Right's Activists? Geez. That's like billionaires needing a help group...
You're funny. It is a demonstrable fact that in virtually every single first-world/western nation, that women have more legal rights than men.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 23, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
You're funny. It is a demonstrable fact that in virtually every single first-world/western nation, that women have more legal rights than men.
Like what?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 23, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
You're funny. It is a demonstrable fact that in virtually every single first-world/western nation, that women have more legal rights than men.
If you say so.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 23, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
You're funny. It is a demonstrable fact that in virtually every single first-world/western nation, that women have more legal rights than men.
Then demonstrate it.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 23, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
You're funny. It is a demonstrable fact that in virtually every single first-world/western nation, that women have more legal rights than men.
Just a thought. Are you saying "legal rights" in a technical sense?
Quote from: Cavebear on December 23, 2017, 01:31:48 PM
I generally rotate my 5 pm cocktails among Gin Buck, Singapore Sling, and Southern Comfort with Peach liquor. With hefty doses of ginger ale.
Singapore Sling--good any time. Southern Comfort was my go to drink in college. But straight, out of the bottle. :)) If I did not mix my poisons, I'd not get a headache. Straight whiskey when poor and Southern Comfort if a little less poor.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 23, 2017, 06:18:59 PM
Singapore Sling--good any time. Southern Comfort was my go to drink in college. But straight, out of the bottle. :)) If I did not mix my poisons, I'd not get a headache. Straight whiskey when poor and Southern Comfort if a little less poor.
I prefer my alcohol as a flavor, not a base. My dad used to drink martinis (a shot of gin and wave a tonic bottle over it for luck). I tried one once and it was horrible. My idea of a cocktail is a shot of gin or Southern Comfort with a some fruit flavor and a LOT of gingerale and ice to melt in.
Which is why I haven't touched vodka in years. What's the point?
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 05:33:26 AM
I prefer my alcohol as a flavor, not a base. My dad used to drink martinis (a shot of gin and wave a tonic bottle over it for luck). I tried one once and it was horrible. My idea of a cocktail is a shot of gin or Southern Comfort with a some fruit flavor and a LOT of gingerale and ice to melt in.
Which is why I haven't touched vodka in years. What's the point?
Russians agree, they prefer flavored vodka (if they can afford it). Only peasants drink the unflavored stuff. I read of one flavor once, chili pepper vodka ... the reviewer said it was only fit for going polar bear hunting on the ice pack. Stay warm inside for hours ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
Russians agree, they prefer flavored vodka (if they can afford it). Only peasants drink the unflavored stuff. I read of one flavor once, chili pepper vodka ... the reviewer said it was only fit for going polar bear hunting on the ice pack. Stay warm inside for hours ;-)
Anyone who depends on alcohol (other than burning in a lamp) for warmth in the coldest places is found a few centuries later when the glacier edge melts out...