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Title: Memri video on Islam
Post by: pr126 on December 22, 2017, 10:08:07 AM
Video in Arabic (Egyptian) with English subtitles, telling about Islam's past and present.


#NOTALLMUSLIMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ZSII3qADI
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on December 22, 2017, 01:31:16 PM
General Sisi at work?  More on Gen Sisi ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqVPxafKmak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIcsmfJPRxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7AufmrpjvE

Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 05:57:34 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 22, 2017, 10:08:07 AM
Video in Arabic (Egyptian) with English subtitles, telling about Islam's past and present.


#NOTALLMUSLIMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ZSII3qADI

You're a Moslem, PR, aren't you?
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: pr126 on December 26, 2017, 06:09:18 AM
Absolutely not. I feel insulted by suggesting it.
Unless you are joking.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 06:29:40 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 26, 2017, 06:09:18 AM
Absolutely not. I feel insulted by suggesting it.
Unless you are joking.

Its not a joke.  You keep agreeing with the Quran! 
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: pr126 on December 26, 2017, 06:55:57 AM
How so? Please explain.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: pr126 on December 26, 2017, 06:55:57 AM
How so? Please explain.

I'm not going to go searching through the threads.  I don't do that.

Call it a "learned impression" about you.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: pr126 on December 26, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
I think that if I was a Muslim or an Islamophile, then Shiranu would never call me a bigot.

However, I believe that you are referring to this post:

Quote from: pr126 on December 24, 2017, 05:36:41 AM
There are no contradictions in the Quran. No Muslim will agree that there are contradictions or mistakes in the Quran. It is the word of Allah verbatim and Allah does not make mistakes.

Abrogation (http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam) (Quran 2:106) means that if there are contradictions, they both are true, but the later revelations take precedence over the (chronologically) older ones.

There are really 2 books in the Quran, the older Mekkan and the later warring Medinan verses, which supersede (abrogate) the more conciliatory Mekkan verses where Muhammad was still recruiting his army.

Muslims are quoting the abrogated verses to the kuffar to fool them into believing that Islam is peace.

Favorites are Quran 2:256 (there is no compulsion in religion), Quran 5:32 (always quoted incompletely to omit important context), and not quoting the following important verse (Quran 5:33).     See here  (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/obama_quotes_verse_532_omits_5.html)

Here I am not actually agreeing with the Quran, but mirroring the Muslim belief that the Quran is infallible.
According to Muslims it is the word of Allah verbatim and implying that it has mistakes is apostasy.

But thank you for your concern.


Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 26, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
I think that if I was a Muslim or an Islamophile, then Shiranu would never call me a bigot.

However, I believe that you are referring to this post:

Here I am not actually agreeing with the Quran, but mirroring the Muslim belief that the Quran is infallible.
According to Muslims it is the word of Allah verbatim and implying that it has mistakes is apostasy.

But thank you for your concern.

Though I am opposed to the KKK, despise the neo-cons, and don't vote Republican (not even split ticket), Cavebear thinks I am Conservative.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Shiranu on December 26, 2017, 01:20:36 PM
QuoteI think that if I was a Muslim or an Islamophile, then Shiranu would never call me a bigot.

Actually, I have said it for awhile now; I think you and the fundamentalist Iman agree on far more than you disagree on. I don't think that makes you a Muslim, but you do seem to heavily agree with the worst of them. At times, it's hard to tell you apart from a radical Islamist in terms of how hardline view you take on Islam.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 26, 2017, 01:20:36 PM
Actually, I have said it for awhile now; I think you and the fundamentalist Iman agree on far more than you disagree on. I don't think that makes you a Muslim, but you do seem to heavily agree with the worst of them. At times, it's hard to tell you apart from a radical Islamist in terms of how hardline view you take on Islam.

Baruch is a basic authoritarian.  He splits between Nazism and Extreme Libertarianism as in Ayn Rand, I think. 

When he has an honest night, he's more Nazi.  But getting the truth of what he thinks is sometimes like trying to get an egg from a rooster.  He writes like a moebius strip.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 01:59:57 PM
Baruch is a basic authoritarian.  He splits between Nazism and Extreme Libertarianism as in Ayn Rand, I think. 

When he has an honest night, he's more Nazi.  But getting the truth of what he thinks is sometimes like trying to get an egg from a rooster.  He writes like a moebius strip.

A Moebius strip?  I have more than even two sides.  Ideologues are one-sided, then can't even seem past the false dichotomy of the two-party joke.

Authoritarian ... sometimes.  And I am familiar with Ayn Rand in my youth.  But she was mostly wrong, and not a very good writer either.  What I sense she and I share, is that Romantic view of life, with heroes and such, not Marxist lumpen-proletariat, which I think you and Shiranu sense.  In short, Greek drama, and Nietzsche (however mad he was).
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 02:29:52 PM
A Moebius strip?  I have more than even two sides.  Ideologues are one-sided, then can't even seem past the false dichotomy of the two-party joke.

Authoritarian ... sometimes.  And I am familiar with Ayn Rand in my youth.  But she was mostly wrong, and not a very good writer either.  What I sense she and I share, is that Romantic view of life, with heroes and such, not Marxist lumpen-proletariat, which I think you and Shiranu sense.  In short, Greek drama, and Nietzsche (however mad he was).

A Romantic view of life?  I doubt either of you do.  Unless you specifically mean "Roman" which I think would suit you well.  Dictat, etc.

I bet Ayn didn't go quite far enough...
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
A Romantic view of life?  I doubt either of you do.  Unless you specifically mean "Roman" which I think would suit you well.  Dictat, etc.

I bet Ayn didn't go quite far enough...

It isn't about getting hot dates ... and Shiranu is passion itself, tres Francaise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 02:52:21 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 02:51:08 PM
It isn't about getting hot dates ... and Shiranu is passion itself, tres Francaise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism

More tired sexism...
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 02:52:21 PM
More tired sexism...

Well, you definitely seem a damp squib in your own autobiography ... not that extreme variance form the norm is bad or anything.  We are all at some extreme or other, just not the same ones.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 03:15:39 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
Well, you definitely seem a damp squib in your own autobiography ... not that extreme variance form the norm is bad or anything.  We are all at some extreme or other, just not the same ones.

Ah but it depends on what we are extreme about.  I am very extreme about atheism, but not much else. What else do you think I am extreme about?
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 06:36:26 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 03:15:39 AM
Ah but it depends on what we are extreme about.  I am very extreme about atheism, but not much else. What else do you think I am extreme about?

Not much else.  You spent your career in bureaucracy ... but so have I.  It doesn't trigger me.  I don't wake up at night, with night sweats, after a nightmare where I am waiting in line, with number 283, but the sole clerk has only gotten to number 45 so far ;-)  I usually don't dream I am in France.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 07:27:58 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 06:36:26 AM
Not much else.  You spent your career in bureaucracy ... but so have I.  It doesn't trigger me.  I don't wake up at night, with night sweats, after a nightmare where I am waiting in line, with number 283, but the sole clerk has only gotten to number 45 so far ;-)  I usually don't dream I am in France.

So, while I have dreams of funny offices and walking an roads I'm not familiar with (which are very mild problems I solve in my dreams), you wake up from your with night-sweats and fears of bureaucrats.  That explains much.  Bureaucrats just enforce the laws of the legislators. Who are elected by the People. 
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 07:32:43 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 07:27:58 AM
So, while I have dreams of funny offices and walking an roads I'm not familiar with (which are very mild problems I solve in my dreams), you wake up from your with night-sweats and fears of bureaucrats.  That explains much.  Bureaucrats just enforce the laws of the legislators. Who are elected by the People.

i agree that ... for example .. the IRS is just doing its damn job.  The problem lies with the legislators ... who only represent reptilian aliens.  You believed your poly-sci indoctrination.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 07:32:43 AM
i agree that ... for example .. the IRS is just doing its damn job.  The problem lies with the legislators ... who only represent reptilian aliens.  You believed your poly-sci indoctrination.

And the IRS does its job properly.  You can disagree with tax laws, but don't take it out on the IRS.  And it's job isn't "damned"; its what pays for roads and national defense and basic research, etc.  I pay my taxes and glad for them.

My poly-sci classes weren't indoctrination, BTW.  If anything, they were studies in how NOT to get indoctrinated.  I learned the rules of the games so I could avoid them.  Quite successfully, I think.
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 07:44:14 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
And the IRS does its job properly.  You can disagree with tax laws, but don't take it out on the IRS.  And it's job isn't "damned"; its what pays for roads and national defense and basic research, etc.  I pay my taxes and glad for them.

My poly-sci classes weren't indoctrination, BTW.  If anything, they were studies in how NOT to get indoctrinated.  I learned the rules of the games so I could avoid them.  Quite successfully, I think.

Back then .. how not to be a part of the SDS?  Was the curriculum by J Edgar?
Title: Re: Memri video on Islam
Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 07:44:14 AM
Back then .. how not to be a part of the SDS?  Was the curriculum by J Edgar?

I was briefly part of the SDS.  Then I realized they were nuts.  But so was Hoover.  I sought a more rational way.