Why are there so many contradictions in the Christian bible?...
Like this for example:
Genesis 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
Leviticus 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
And there's more of that where that came from:
https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 13, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
Why are there so many contradictions in the Christian bible?...
Like this for example:
Genesis 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
Leviticus 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
And there's more of that where that came from:
https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html
Because the Bible was written by several people over thousands of years, each author conveniently changing God to suit their needs. In the earliest books, Yahweh was one of several gods, but somewhere along the way, one prophet decided that Yahweh wasn't just jealous of other gods, but he was the only god. God's personality, desires, and rules reflect on the author at the time.
First off, disappointed in the lack of bat tits.
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Second, seems an odd thing to make a forum post titled with a shock and surprise over like you just found this out like its breaking news.
before the internet, the spread of information was constrained and getting across the idea that the bible was a load of bullshit written by cult leaders to manipulate people was harder to get across. These days with information tied in with anonymity, as in telling and reading things in private, as well as things people open and not sourced just to sell newspapers or gain ratings, we live in a time now where we can tell the facts about these cults, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, without being shouted down or censored or just information being withheld.
Well, I just think that with all these contradictions, you would think that people would stop reading this stupid book, but I guess not.
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 14, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
Well, I just think that with all these contradictions, you would think that people would stop reading this stupid book, but I guess not.
people voted for trump, they make prank videos of mugging old people in the street, they believe in ghosts and slendermen and mothmen. People are stupid, even in the information age. We're still an ape species
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 14, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
Well, I just think that with all these contradictions, you would think that people would stop reading this stupid book, but I guess not.
Actually, according to surveys and stuff, hardly any Christians
do read the Bible. Mostly they just get it in little cherry-picked spurts from the pastor/preacher/priest on their so-called holy days.
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 14, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
Well, I just think that with all these contradictions, you would think that people would stop reading this stupid book, but I guess not.
Paradoxical poetry isn't meant to be read literally, or make sense.
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 14, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
Well, I just think that with all these contradictions, you would think that people would stop reading this stupid book, but I guess not.
Christians don't read the Bible. They let apologists tell them what the Bible says and means, and apologists are expert bullshitters.
Quote from: ƵenKlassen on December 14, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
Well, I just think that with all these contradictions, you would think that people would stop reading this stupid book, but I guess not.
You would think, but be wrong (sadly). The bible succeeds BECAUSE of the contradictions. There is something there for everyone. No matter what one thinks (as a theist), you can find a quote to support your views. Never mind the contradictions, if one can find any part you like, you're proven! The Bible said so!
And the same crap with all other religious texts.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 15, 2017, 02:38:22 AM
You would think, but be wrong (sadly). The bible succeeds BECAUSE of the contradictions. There is something there for everyone. No matter what one thinks (as a theist), you can find a quote to support your views. Never mind the contradictions, if one can find any part you like, you're proven! The Bible said so!
And the same crap with all other religious texts.
And if your quote contradicts mine, obviously
you're the one cherrypicking.
Quote from: Blackleaf on December 15, 2017, 03:50:28 PM
And if your quote contradicts mine, obviously you're the one cherrypicking.
I'll point out that *I* don't "have" any bible quotes. They come from a book of superstitions like all the others. They aren't mine.
I think the generic "your" was the intention of Blackleaf's post, not you specifically Cavebear.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 22, 2017, 04:32:09 PM
I think the generic "your" was the intention of Blackleaf's post, not you specifically Cavebear.
Correction appreciated. My apologies. English is tricky sometimes.
I've heard that, as a second language, English is the most difficult language to master. Maybe even as a first language.
O.P. I think its full of contradictions because nobody did any fact checking before it was dumped on the world.
It may be that people still believe it because the Catholic church kept it locked up for hundreds of years where nobody could read it and find the contradictions.
Or in the U.S. it may be that people still believe it because they are too dumb to think for themselves. I got people on facebook that still think Trump is a hero. Trump is going to be pres for 8 years. If democrat Mueller tries to impeach Trump they gonna break open grandpa’s gun cabinet to keep him away from Trump. There are a lot of people dont know that Medicare or Social Security are government programs want to make sure the government isnt gonna mess with them.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 26, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
I've heard that, as a second language, English is the most difficult language to master. Maybe even as a first language.
Well, "English" is mostly a blend of French, Norse, German, and merchant words from far away. On one hand, it is amazing that English has any poetry. On the other, poetry from other languages seems so easy (everything rhymes by the endings of words.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 26, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
I've heard that, as a second language, English is the most difficult language to master. Maybe even as a first language.
I was sitting at a cafe in Berlin back in the day and the two young (college age) ladies at the next table were doing their English homework. They were struggling. I popped a suggestion their way and they came over and sat at my table. ( :) ) A few minutes later one of them slammed her book down and said (cleaned up) "Do they really teach this shit to babies?" Coming from a German speaker this was impressive.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 04:52:46 AM
Well, "English" is mostly a blend of French, Norse, German, and merchant words from far away. On one hand, it is amazing that English has any poetry. On the other, poetry from other languages seems so easy (everything rhymes by the endings of words.
There were two classes 700 years ago in England. The lower classes speaking Anglo-Saxon, and the upper class speaking French, with fancy words from Latin etc in there for those who went to Oxford. The Black Death changed all that. A creole language was formed by all the orphans, a broken language of the streets. That and lower class people wanting to sound sophisticated with loan words. Old Anglo-Saxon itself, is closely related to a Dutch dialect ... Frisian.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 02, 2018, 07:07:24 AM
I was sitting at a cafe in Berlin back in the day and the two young (college age) ladies at the next table were doing their English homework. They were struggling. I popped a suggestion their way and they came over and sat at my table. ( :) ) A few minutes later one of them slammed her book down and said (cleaned up) "Do they really teach this shit to babies?" Coming from a German speaker this was impressive.
Got you 2 women at your table, right? Everyone from elsewhere is interesting. This New England guy got sent to Ft Worth Texas on business once and I was a hottie by the accent in the local bar. WooHOO!
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 07:33:17 AM
There were two classes 700 years ago in England. The lower classes speaking Anglo-Saxon, and the upper class speaking French, with fancy words from Latin etc in there for those who went to Oxford. The Black Death changed all that. A creole language was formed by all the orphans, a broken language of the streets. That and lower class people wanting to sound sophisticated with loan words. Old Anglo-Saxon itself, is closely related to a Dutch dialect ... Frisian.
Yeah, "assault AND battery", mutton vs sheep" etc. But, um, anglo-saxon is anglo-saxon from denmark. I can go back farther if you want...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Yeah, "assault AND battery", mutton vs sheep" etc. But, um, anglo-saxon is anglo-saxon from denmark. I can go back farther if you want...
Not by dialect ... by geography. Angles, Saxons and Jutes. Jutes in Denmark, Saxons in NW Germany, Angles closer to Holland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_settlement_of_Britain#/media/File:Saxon.emigration.5th.cen.jpg
The dialect is Frisian today, and they are on the N Sea on the edge of Holland today. 1600 years ago, not so much.
Danes came later ... in 850 CE. The Anglo-Saxons came in 450 CE. Denmark wasn't Denmark, until the Danes moved down from S Sweden into that peninsula when the Anglo-Saxons-Jutes moved out. On thing that motivated them to move, was to get away from Attila the Hun, and take advantage of Romano-British weakness.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 26, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
I've heard that, as a second language, English is the most difficult language to master. Maybe even as a first language.
I tried to learn some Spanish. I bought a set of 4 or 5 DVDs on the cheap. It started out OK, going real slow, but after I had mastered maybe 10 vocabulary words they started throwing sentences at me with words I had never been exposed to. I never got so lost in such a hurry. I gave up in despair, even though I heard Spanish was supposed to be one of the easier languages to learn. Maybe I should have tired Mandarin.
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
Not by dialect ... by geography. Angles, Saxons and Jutes. Jutes in Denmark, Saxons in NW Germany, Angles closer to Holland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_settlement_of_Britain#/media/File:Saxon.emigration.5th.cen.jpg
The dialect is Frisian today, and they are on the N Sea on the edge of Holland today. 1600 years ago, not so much.
Danes came later ... in 850 CE. The Anglo-Saxons came in 450 CE. Denmark wasn't Denmark, until the Danes moved down from S Sweden into that peninsula when the Anglo-Saxons-Jutes moved out. On thing that motivated them to move, was to get away from Attila the Hun, and take advantage of Romano-British weakness.
The Angles came from the Baltic shores. Well, ALL the goths came from the Asian steppes originally. Not going back to OOA details of course...
Quote from: SGOS on February 02, 2018, 12:24:51 PM
I tried to learn some Spanish. I bought a set of 4 or 5 DVDs on the cheap. It started out OK, going real slow, but after I had mastered maybe 10 vocabulary words they started throwing sentences at me with words I had never been exposed to. I never got so lost in such a hurry. I gave up in despair, even though I heard Spanish was supposed to be one of the easier languages to learn. Maybe I should have tired Mandarin.
Sorry you were a victim of poor pedagogy. Spanish is a nice language. I learned Esperanto last September (in 2 weeks) ... the easiest language to learn (and similar to Romance languages). Also some people have a knack, not everyone takes to language, even their native one.
Mandarin is seriously challenging ...
QuoteTop 10 Hardest Languages For Translators to Learn:
Mandarin. Mandarin is a language within the Chinese language group and is actually the most spoken language in the world. ...
Arabic. ...
Japanese. ...
Hungarian. ...
Korean. ...
Finnish. ...
Basque. ...
Navajo....
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 12:29:51 PM
The Angles came from the Baltic shores. Well, ALL the goths came from the Asian steppes originally. Not going back to OOA details of course...
OK ... Angles from E side of Jutland. Jutes in main part of Jutland. And no, I don't care how far the Germanics go back to S Russian barbarians.
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
OK ... Angles from E side of Jutland. Jutes in main part of Jutland. And no, I don't care how far the Germanics go back to S Russian barbarians.
Aw, you just don't like the Cro-magnon late-comers. You are obviously an anti-blond-haired blue-eyed guy... LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 12:40:17 PM
Aw, you just don't like the Cro-magnon late-comers. You are obviously an anti-blond-haired blue-eyed guy... LOL!
I think that 6000 years ago, when the Bronza Age came to the S Russian steppes ... that wasn't Cro-Magnon. And I don't think that all the Aryans were blond or blue eyed, and still aren't. They are a mixed group like all others.
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 12:43:49 PM
I think that 6000 years ago, when the Bronza Age came to the S Russian steppes ... that wasn't Cro-Magnon. And I don't think that all the Aryans were blond or blue eyed, and still aren't. They are a mixed group like all others.
Those weren't the Anglos, Saxons, OR Jutes. They came WAY later. You are talking about the pre-Picts.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
Those weren't the Anglos, Saxons, OR Jutes. They came WAY later. You are talking about the pre-Picts.
You are the one who wanted to go there (subject). Now we will hear how you wowed all the HS girls with your fancy chariot.
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 12:50:05 PM
You are the one who wanted to go there (subject). Now we will hear how you wowed all the HS girls with your fancy chariot.
No, it was my 1966 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible. And I will be glad to discuss European migration with you more fully.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 12:53:30 PM
No, it was my 1966 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible. And I will be glad to discuss European migration with you more fully.
We were only dealing with 450-550 CE ... you wanted to expand it in both time directions. The Vikings show up in England, in a big way, around 850 CE. That is the forming of the Danelaw.
Of course pre-historic migrations, are going to be unclear, and tendentious. I am not sure I believe scholarship in making un-provable claims.
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
We were only dealing with 450-550 CE ... you wanted to expand it in both time directions. The Vikings show up in England, in a big way, around 850 CE. That is the forming of the Danelaw.
Of course pre-historic migrations, are going to be unclear, and tendentious. I am not sure I believe scholarship in making un-provable claims.
I'm fine with 450-550CE. Gupta Indians and bronze age trans-alpian Thuringian Europeans...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 01:11:39 PM
I'm fine with 450-550CE. Gupta Indians and bronze age trans-alpian Thuringian Europeans...
In both cases, I think Iron Age. The Bronze Age was already over in even backward Europe by then. The Guptas made giant steel columns.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 04:52:46 AM
Well, "English" is mostly a blend of French, Norse, German, and merchant words from far away. On one hand, it is amazing that English has any poetry. On the other, poetry from other languages seems so easy (everything rhymes by the endings of words.
There are good reasons why English is so hard:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/34/b6/6d34b66097a73ad31cc6e6ddfbed6dee.jpg)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2018, 01:27:53 PM
There are good reasons why English is so hard:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/34/b6/6d34b66097a73ad31cc6e6ddfbed6dee.jpg)
I sure won't disagree with THAT. English is irrational and illogical. Thank Teacher and Parent we learn it before our logic systems kick in.
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
OK ... Angles from E side of Jutland.
Were those the Obtuse Angles?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2018, 01:33:14 PM
Were those the Obtuse Angles?
Those are just the boys. Any Feminist could know that the girls were Acute Angles ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2018, 01:33:14 PM
Were those the Obtuse Angles?
Those were the Obtucian Angles. They migrated to Italy. The Right ones went to Agleland (West Suffex I think). The a cute ones went to Hollywood.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Yeah, "assault AND battery", mutton vs sheep" etc. But, um, anglo-saxon is anglo-saxon from denmark. I can go back farther if you want...
You can commit assault without battery. If you say you're going to shoot someone you've committed assault. If you then actually do it, that's battery.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 07, 2018, 05:52:22 AM
You can commit assault without battery. If you say you're going to shoot someone you've committed assault. If you then actually do it, that's battery.
The point was that some "duplicate" terms come from English AND French so that all the Norman subjects would understand the law...