3:20 to get to the serious bit. One of the longest segments I've seen with no laughter, and basically no jokes, from Trevor.
I have said it time, and time, and time again here... words have consequences, even words you write on forums. I don't call bigots out because I am enjoying it, that it's making me feel better... I am calling them out because what is said on here is repeated on facebook, repeated on youtube, repeated at the voting booth and then repeated by bigoted politicians like Trump. And in this instance, it is being used to defend slave auctioning in North Africa.
But ... Libya is on Obama and Hillary. And slavery is real in the US, not just Libya. The "coyotes" in Libya (human traffickers) are simply practicing capitalism with people who can't pay for their free trip to Europe ;-(
Doesn't excuse making jokes about it, but I consider the overthrow of Qaddafi to be more serious than Tweeting.
cnn is fake news. If it was real news, it would have reported on the libya slave trade back in april, like the guardian did:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration
Like infowars did:
https://www.infowars.com/the-last-country-we-liberated-from-an-evil-dictator-is-now-openly-trading-slaves/
And it is much worse than what you have read. CNN was supposedly given video of women and children being sold off, video given back in april... And worse. But you would need to seek out alt media for that info.
But!
Then they would be inconvenienced by who is responsible for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y
I posted long ago about libya and the oil/gold motivation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtIdpBocNA
one world government? No thanks!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/17/un-security-council-resolution
Look Deeper little parrot. Qaddafi was fighting islamic extremists within his borders. Rumor has it, US backed islamic extremists...
EDIT
Meh, no point in waiting for self-discovery. One month before the election:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/marc-turi-libyan-rebels-hillary-clinton-229115
Quote from: Baruch on December 01, 2017, 05:57:41 AM
But ... Libya is on Obama and Hillary. And slavery is real in the US, not just Libya. The "coyotes" in Libya (human traffickers) are simply practicing capitalism with people who can't pay for their free trip to Europe ;-(
Doesn't excuse making jokes about it, but I consider the overthrow of Qaddafi to be more serious than Tweeting.
Trump's tweets are an embarrassment to the U.S. A.
And I say this looking at all the presidents whether left or right, a president is the one who should have high standards and be more of an adult.
How Obama Brought Back Muslim Enslavement of Black People (https://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/how-obama-brought-back-muslim.html)
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on December 01, 2017, 12:47:26 PM
Trump's tweets are an embarrassment to the U.S. A.
And I say this looking at all the presidents whether left or right, a president is the one who should have high standards and be more of an adult.
While I am not a twitter user, I dont see a problem with Trump using this format. Could you point to a particular tweet that you find embarrassing?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Quote from: chill98 on December 01, 2017, 05:55:57 PM
While I am not a twitter user, I dont see a problem with Trump using this format. Could you point to a particular tweet that you find embarrassing?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Could you just be ash?
Quote from: pr126 on December 01, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
How Obama Brought Back Muslim Enslavement of Black People (https://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/how-obama-brought-back-muslim.html)
Court Jews ... work for Gentile overlords, and screw the Jewish people. Think Soros.
House Blacks ... do the same thing. President Obama, Colin Powell, Justice Thomas ... are House Blacks ... Oreos, Uncle Toms.
African-Americans have been played, by both parties since at least 1875. Jews also ... all minorities must do the cake walk.
Quote from: chill98 on December 01, 2017, 05:55:57 PM
While I am not a twitter user, I dont see a problem with Trump using this format. Could you point to a particular tweet that you find embarrassing?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Some of us are uncomfortable with the 21st century, we want a President who is dignified, who says everything diplomatically and politely, a gentleman. And who lets the Big Three (ABC, CBS, NBC) ... explain to us primitives, what the President meant.
Quote from: Baruch on December 01, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
And who lets the Big Three (ABC, CBS, NBC) ... explain to us primitives, what the President meant.
And that is the real problem; preferring to let others explain the meaning.
Quote from: chill98 on December 01, 2017, 07:22:18 PM
And that is the real problem; preferring to let others explain the meaning.
I remember when that was the way things were ... we were totally dependent on a favorite TV station, and a local newspaper. And for children and young adults ... they think they know it all, so even though they need explanation from a more mature person, they aren't open to it ;-) But we aren't to stay children, stay immature forever.
Quote from: chill98 on December 01, 2017, 06:34:08 AM
cnn is fake news. If it was real news, it would have reported on the libya slave trade back in april, like the guardian did:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration
Like infowars did:
https://www.infowars.com/the-last-country-we-liberated-from-an-evil-dictator-is-now-openly-trading-slaves/
And it is much worse than what you have read. CNN was supposedly given video of women and children being sold off, video given back in april... And worse. But you would need to seek out alt media for that info.
But!
Then they would be inconvenienced by who is responsible for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y
I posted long ago about libya and the oil/gold motivation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtIdpBocNA
one world government? No thanks!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/17/un-security-council-resolution
Look Deeper little parrot. Qaddafi was fighting islamic extremists within his borders. Rumor has it, US backed islamic extremists...
EDIT
Meh, no point in waiting for self-discovery. One month before the election:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/marc-turi-libyan-rebels-hillary-clinton-229115
And what exactly does this have to do with Trumps words being used to justify and defend slave auctioning in 2017?
Quote from: pr126 on December 01, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
How Obama Brought Back Muslim Enslavement of Black People (https://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/how-obama-brought-back-muslim.html)
And what exactly does this have to do with Trumps words being used to justify and defend slave auctioning in 2017?
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 02:48:18 PM
And what exactly does this have to do with Trumps words being used to justify and defend slave auctioning in 2017?
Trumps words are not being used to justify and defend slavery. Muhammads words are. Nowhere in your stoopid video is any of what you claim being said.
And you know that.
Why are you not outraged that CNN sat on this story for over 6 months??
Trumps Tweet Aug 23, 2011:
As bad as Quaddafi was --- what comes next will in Libya will be even worse --- just watch.
Source:
https://twitter.com/realFFK
QuoteTrumps words are not being used to justify and defend slavery. Muhammads words are. Nowhere in your stoopid video is any of what you claim being said.
*Stupid.
Since you are too "stoopid" to comprehend it in video form, here it is in text.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/libya-slave-trade-cnn-report-trump-fake-news (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/libya-slave-trade-cnn-report-trump-fake-news)
QuoteA tweet by Donald Trump accusing CNN of purveying “fake news†has been seized on by Libyan media to challenge a report by the US broadcaster which suggested modern day slave auctions were being held in the country.
Libyan diplomats in Africa have also hit back at the CNN reports, saying they were designed to tarnish the image of Libya. The Libyan broadcaster also highlighted a statement by the Niger ambassdor to Libya denying it had any knowledge of a Nigerien citizen being sold as a slave in Libya.
Let's break that down; "challenging a report... suggesting modern day slave auctions were being held in the country".
Challenging. That. It. Is. Happening.That sounds a lot like defending it, by denying it happens. Probably because that is defending it by denying it happens, using tweets by Donald Trump to put it in question.
QuoteWhy are you not outraged that CNN sat on this story for over 6 months??
Because that's not what this story is about.
Why are you so intent on finding any way to squirm out of admitting your candidate's words are being used to defend modern day slave auctioning?
And while we are on the topic; are you still denying Trump is racist after he shares several racist tweets from a far-right hate group? Are you denying that he is a chronic sexual harasser as even more and more evidence comes out that it's even worse than thought?
Are you aware of just how terrible, incompetent and utterly unfit for the presidency he is, and just cant admit you are wrong? Let me quote someone a post or two ago who I think was trying to be snarky but failed just like his idol...
QuoteYou know that.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
*Stupid.
Since you are too "stoopid" to comprehend it in video form, here it is in text.
Let's break that down; "challenging a report... suggesting modern day slave auctions were being held in the country".
Well now, here is your original words:
Quote from: ShiranuAnd in this instance, it is being used to defend slave auctioning in North Africa.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
Challenging. That. It. Is. Happening.That sounds a lot like defending it, by denying it happens. Probably because that is defending it by denying it happens, using tweets by Donald Trump to put it in question.
Because that's not what this story is about.
Are you trying to claim that these Libyan officials would never have denied slave auctions within their country anyways? As if Trump tweets are responsible for the real issue, Islamic slave operations within Libya. That is what makes this whole story a joke.
And this just exemplifies your disconnect from reality. You think the issue is Trump tweets when the real issue is the USA and NATO overthrew a legitimate government on the false basis that Quaddafi was attacking civilians. The motivation for the US getting involved was Libyan internal decisions on Libyan oil and Gold backed money which would have increased Libyan prosperity. We killed a legitimate leader of a sovereign country over oil and gold.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/Each and every day I am grateful that Crooked Hillary did not become president. Trump is not perfect but he was absolutely the lesser of two evils in this election. The video you posted was completely stoopid and irrelevant to the situation created by the Obama admin in Libya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHbrOg092GA
QuoteAre you trying to claim that these Libyan officials would never have denied slave auctions within their country anyways?
Nope. I am trying to claim what I have said thrice now; Trump's words, the words of the second most powerful man in the world, are being used to justify slave auctioning in North Africa.
Every, single, fucking, argument you make... is just trying to deflect blame and change the topic. You have not once actually proven anything I said wrong and instead just try to change the topic about how someone else is terrible.
I am not going to even bother quoting your next paragraph because it literally proves what I said absolutely true; you blame him, her and everyone else instead of address the fact that the second most powerful man in the world's words, which carry alot of fucking weight, are being used to defend slave auctioning in Northern African.
QuoteTrump is not perfect but he was absolutely the lesser of two evils in this election.
How often did your parents drop you on your head when you were a child? Daily? Bi-hourly?
But let me argue like you...
Your boy has turned the entire world against the United States. Your boy has allowed our political arch-rival, China, to become the most powerful and influential nation in the world. Your boy is making us become excluded from new trade agreements. Your boy is head of a party that is adding a billion+ to our deficit over the next 10 years to give him and his friends cuts while everyone not in the elite circle foots the bill.
So who gives a shit about Obama, whoever... your guy is clearly worse, so I see no need to address the problems he created. If you expect me to defend Obama against irrelevant remarks, then I expect you to show me the same courtesy in regards to relevant remarks about your little boy.
And you are really worried about Hillary being the lesser of two evils? You actually think business-as-usual, cookie-cutter Hillary would have been worse then this?
The fact that you are incapable of spelling stupid correctly, though I am sure you do it tongue in cheek, when added with the rest of the moronic shit you say doesn't come across as witty and with bite... it makes people seriously wonder if you are actually mentally retarded (and I say that with the caveat that it is a major disrespect to people who are actually mentally handicapped and don't deserve to be compared to morons like yourself, when they are generally ten times the men and women you will ever hope to be).
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
Nope. I am trying to claim what I have said thrice now; Trump's words, the words of the second most powerful man in the world, are being used to justify slave auctioning in North Africa.[/QUOTE
Not justify, DENY it EXISTS.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
Every, single, fucking, argument you make... is just trying to deflect blame and change the topic. You have not once actually proven anything I said wrong and instead just try to change the topic about how someone else is terrible.
Directing it back to its source rather than your approach, which evading the real issue.
ISLAM justifies SLAVERY.
No islamic control, no slavery. Slavery was not an issue under Quaddafi.
The whole STOOPID video was a logical Fallacy from begining to end. Not my fault in your sheer hatred of Trump, you cannot see your sources commit such fallacious arguements!
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
I am not going to even bother quoting your next paragraph because it literally proves what I said absolutely true; you blame him, her and everyone else instead of address the fact that the second most powerful man in the world's words, which carry alot of fucking weight, are being used to defend slave auctioning in Northern African.
Trumps words carry no weight in Libya. Screams of Fake news! Fake News! are ignored by anyone who chooses to ignore them. I ignore them because they are irrelevant to what I believe it the truth, Islamic Fundies are practicing Qu'ran endorsed Slavery in Libya as a direct result of US [NATO] intervention over Oil and Gold.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
But let me argue like you...
Your boy has turned the entire world against the United States. Your boy has allowed our political arch-rival, China, to become the most powerful and influential nation in the world. Your boy is making us become excluded from new trade agreements. Your boy is head of a party that is adding a billion+ to our deficit over the next 10 years to give him and his friends cuts while everyone not in the elite circle foots the bill.
The entire world eh? LOL more hyperbole from the parrot.
Compliments of Bill Clinton:
http://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/
My taxes will go down and I am in the lowest 20%.
Trade agreements have been bad for working americans. Tax breaks for corps fleeing the usa, under relocation breaks and the barrier to bringing that money back into the USA contributed to these problems for working americans.
A trillion dollars over 10 years vs this:
Quote
Thus, the national debt under Obama will have grown by about $9 trillion, or an increase of 86%.
http://www.businessinsider.com/national-debt-deficit-added-under-president-barack-obama-2017-1
That is more than a Trillion dollars a year under obama.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
So who gives a shit about Obama, whoever... your guy is clearly worse, so I see no need to address the problems he created. If you expect me to defend Obama against irrelevant remarks, then I expect you to show me the same courtesy in regards to relevant remarks about your little boy.
But I dont respect your opinion. I think you are straight up wrong. And I dont think you were dropped on your head to get this way. I am not looking for you to defend Obama, there is no defense for Obama's actions as president. Just quit blaming trump for issues that are not his fault.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
And you are really worried about Hillary being the lesser of two evils? You actually think business-as-usual, cookie-cutter Hillary would have been worse then this?
Yes, I think business as usual would result in a worse condition for the american people. I do think Hillary would have made things even worse.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
The fact that you are incapable of spelling stupid correctly, though I am sure you do it tongue in cheek, when added with the rest of the moronic shit you say doesn't come across as witty and with bite... it makes people seriously wonder if you are actually mentally retarded (and I say that with the caveat that it is a major disrespect to people who are actually mentally handicapped and don't deserve to be compared to morons like yourself, when they are generally ten times the men and women you will ever hope to be).
See, you really are a bigot. And intellectually under-developed. Stop drinking the soy milk! Your right though, they dont deserve to be compared to me. But you did it anyways!!
big·ot a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
And your video remains really stoopid. I don't care if you approve of my spelling. I choose to use that spelling based on my audience. in real life, the oo part is drawn out. stoooopid.
You're an idiot.
Another beneficial side effect of the Libyan war is the invasion of Europe by the third world.
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/killingeurope
(https://imgflip.com/i/20enr4)(https://i.imgflip.com/20enr4.jpg)
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 11:30:41 PM
(https://imgflip.com/i/20enr4)(https://i.imgflip.com/20enr4.jpg)
“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.†- Karl Popper
No
Quote from: pr126 on December 02, 2017, 10:59:55 PM
Another beneficial side effect of the Libyan war is the invasion of Europe by the third world.
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/killingeurope (https://vimeo.com/ondemand/killingeurope)
Let's see...
>No Go Zones: Been disproven time, and time, and time again.
http://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/debunking-the-myth-of-a-no-go-zone-in-malmo/ (http://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/debunking-the-myth-of-a-no-go-zone-in-malmo/)
https://www.snopes.com/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/ (https://www.snopes.com/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/)
>Rape is on the rise:
-Sweden - http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786)
-The rape that the woman talked about of 39+ immigrants... not a single link to be found about that story.
-Yes, feminists are "silent" on the issue... because it's not actually an issue that exists. I am also silent about the selling of Mexican boys to Nigerian druglords to smuggle cocaine in their rectums to Canadian prostitutes. Not because I am a horrible person... because that shit isn't happening.
A Journalist who says he is as far-right as he can get... yeah, sounds like an unbiased source...
My god, a 3 minute long trailer and it's still managed to be that full of shit. Pathetic.
Quote from: pr126 on December 02, 2017, 11:43:30 PM
“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.†- Karl Popper
That really does apply to you well. Congrats on some self awareness.
You have some serious inferiority complex.
Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2017, 12:11:46 AM
You have some serious inferiority complex.
I would call it more a, "serious tired of you spreading lies complex", but whatever floats your goats.
And please, if I felt myself to be inferiour to you, I would go outside and shoot myself right now. I cannot imagine the shame of being less of a man than you.
Thankfully I have a long way to fall before I reach that level of scummery.
Shiranu, you are actually crazy.
Donald Trump saying CNN is fake news, and then Libya media going "Yeah I agree - none of the shit CNN said about us was true" does not correlate Donald or his rhetoric in any way with Libya's slave-trade. There is no logical connection there.
Let's say there's a rapist, and then a guy incorrectly accuses the rapist of also being a thief. If I correctly point out that the rapist is not a thief; I am not defending the rapists rapings in doing so.
You are on too many levels of lefty propaganda. I recommend having your cable shut off.
@ Shiranu
You are using too much ad hominems in your posts.
The need to bring people down, so you appear better than your opponent.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 03, 2017, 12:53:31 AM
Shiranu, you are actually crazy.
Donald Trump saying CNN is fake news, and then Libya media going "Yeah I agree - none of the shit CNN said about us was true" does not correlate Donald or his rhetoric in any way with Libya's slave-trade. There is no logical connection there.
Let's say there's a rapist, and then a guy incorrectly accuses the rapist of also being a thief. If I correctly point out that the rapist is not a thief; I am not defending the rapists rapings in doing so.
You are on too many levels of lefty propaganda. I recommend having your cable shut off.
And the third batter steps to the plate, and the third batter strikes out on what I said.
The game goes into the 98th inning, at one-hundred and ten to zero.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 03, 2017, 12:59:20 AM
And the third batter steps to the plate, and the third batter strikes out on what I said.
The game goes into the 98th inning, at one-hundred and ten to zero.
Elucidate. Go on.
Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2017, 12:54:02 AM
@ Shiranu
You are using too much ad hominems in your posts.
The need to bring people down, so you appear better than your opponent.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]
I have little need to bring you down to appear better to... whom, exactly?
The people here who agree with me, or are sympathetic to my opinion at least, already dislike you because of... well, the fact that you are you. I don't mean that ideologically, I mean you are an obnoxious cock who lies and spreads fear because he is an ignorant fool. And I mean that in the most polite way; that is nothing against you as a person (I have said many times before, I do not know you as a person to make such a judgement... it is quite likely if we met in person I would find you a quite fine person to be around so long as we did not discuss politics), simply you as an avatar with a voice.
The people here who disagree with me, no matter how much I insult you or let you dig your own hole, will never change their opinion... so why would I care about looking good in their eyes?
No, I simply do this because you are a bigot and a fool, and I will let you dig your own grave in every thread so that in case anyone new joins the forum who is neutral or left-leaning knows not to take you seriously from the get-go from your body of work. If I let your garbage stand on it's own? Well... I can only say when I was new to the forum I actually believed what you said, and acted on it in the real world, spread your hateful ideology, because there was no one calling you out or proving you wrong. So when I learned that you were full of shit, I simply filled that void of being your counterweight.
Of course no one new really ever joins this forum anyways... but it's better to be safe than sorry, is it not?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 03, 2017, 01:01:22 AM
Elucidate. Go on.
You answered your own question; the Libyan media is using Donald Trump's own words, words that are inherently problematic, regressive and destructive by delegitimatizing actual journalists who have legal standards and ethics to uphold to defend slave auctioning in their borders. That is by it's very nature linking Donald Trump to the defense of the slave trade; you cant say something, then when those words have real world consequences, claim to have no responsibility for what you said.
Since you bring up rape; if I am the second most powerful person in the world, who constantly shouts and screams that so-and-so is a rapist, and people begin to believe he is a rapist... I do have some burden of responsibility for turning people on to the thought that he is a rapist, particularly if he is completely innocent and all the "evidence" I cited was completely false. As the president of the United States, he has legitimate power with his words, just as any other head of state or social leader does.
This is what I am saying; not that he is responsible for the slave trade, not that he is personally defending it... but that his consistent and deceitful attack of the press has real world consequences and that is not something you can just brush aside as, "Meh, they are just words!".
Quote from: Shiranu on December 03, 2017, 01:14:36 AM
You answered your own question; the Libyan media is using Donald Trump's own words, words that are inherently problematic, regressive and destructive by delegitimatizing actual journalists who have legal standards and ethics to uphold to defend slave auctioning in their borders. That is by it's very nature linking Donald Trump to the defense of the slave trade; you cant say something, then when those words have real world consequences, claim to have no responsibility for what you said.
No, it does not. Saying someone (shitty journalists) is a peddler of bullshit does not then make ones own opinion the contrary of whatever that shitty journalist has ever said ever. That is non-logic.
QuoteThis is what I am saying; not that he is responsible for the slave trade, not that he is personally defending it... but that his consistent and deceitful attack of the press has real world consequences and that is not something you can just brush aside as, "Meh, they are just words!".
Actually that is exactly what you are saying - that he is defending it. When you go on to explain what you are
actually saying, you drive off onto an irrelevant tangent that doesn't address that mistake you are trying to correct. You do this so you don't actually have to come up with what it is you want us to think you are
actually saying. This is called equivocation. You are equivocating because your logic has been shown to be faulty, and you cannot create any new reasoning to defend the position, but you still want to hold it.
If a publication lies, and I call the publication bullshit, am I then mounting a defense for everything that publication has ever attacked? Of course not; that is faulty reasoning. Yet you hold this position, only about Donald. And to mask the obviously faulty logic, you equivocate - When you rattle on about consequences and the ethics of journalism, you are doing so to draw attention away from what would otherwise be obviously faulty reasoning. You are expanding, with irrelevancies, on what is actually a very simple - yet wrongheaded, obviously - concept. Equivocation.
Equivocation is the tool of a snake.
So, I will tell you what you so often tell others; just admit when you're wrong.
@ Shiranu
As a true believer, you have to defend your Faith (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism).
After all, the indoctrination did cost you a lot of money.
QuoteNo, it does not. Saying someone (shitty journalists) is a peddler of bullshit does not then make ones own opinion the contrary of whatever that shitty journalist has ever said ever. That is non-logic.
Perhaps. But that is only applicable when the journalist in question is, infact, shitty. That is not to say CNN aren't... they have had their fair share of fuck ups. But when you constantly attack them when they report legitimate news that you don't like, while holding a position of extreme power... well, then it is irrelevant if the news is true or isn't, isn't it?
Trump does not attack shitty journalists, he attacks journalists who don't agree with him... right or wrong. If I lived in Colombia, Cuba, Russia, Iraq... this would be perfectly "acceptable" and expected behaviour. I don't, so it isn't.
Nor did I say that Trump's opinion is contrary to CNN's; in truth, I don't think Trump has an opinion on much of anything. He just does what he feels is in his best interest at any given time like a knee jerks to a mallet. If Trump was accusing CNN of legitimate bull shittery, then I would completely agree that he has no responsibility for people misconstruing his words... but what the Libyan media is doing is the exact same thing he does... calling people liars because they expose things he, and they, don't like to be exposed. This is why it isn't just "his words being twisted"... it is "twisting" his words in the exact same manner he does, for the exact same self-serving ends, to defend slave auctioning within the Libyan border. His words and actions have simply lead to this point; that is an undeniable reality, without denying reality.
QuoteActually that is exactly what you are saying - that he is defending it.
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying; that he is defending it. But I have never denied he is. Notice the word "personally" placed infront of defending it where you quoted? That means he is not actively engaged in the defense of it, but his actions are defending it. A better word would have been "intentionally", but too little, to late I suppose.
You are mistaking my position for thinking he is willingly, actively engaged in the defense of the slave trade; that is not my position. So when you "refute" that... it is irrelevant, because that is not a position I hold.
QuoteSo, I will tell you what you so often tell others; just admit when you're wrong.
As soon as you admit you struck out, along with the rest of you bullpen, and didn't actually understand my position and tried to force something I didn't say onto me time, and time, and time again... and every time I said that wasn't my position, and explained my position, you repeat the same argument that I'm not refuting "your" argument that "I am making".
By all means, when you actually refute my argument, I will admit I am wrong. But as it stands, all three of you have committed a logical fallacy know as a straw man, which is where an argument is presented, in this case at least relevant to what I said but distorted and inaccurate, and then "defeated" and held as "proof" that my argument was defeated. Of course, my actual argument (that Donald Trump is defending the slave trade through his rhetoric) was never actually refuted, but if it was then it wouldn't have been a straw man argument. You three continue to due this, with various degrees of ridiculousness (I'll say that you were probably the only geuinely inncocent one, since I should have used "intentionally" instead of "personally" to be more clear about my position). Straw man.
Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2017, 01:30:42 AM
@ Shiranu
As a true believer, you have to defend your Faith (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism).
After all, the indoctrination did cost you a lot of money.
Oh do please try a little bit harder, child. From your own link...
QuoteSecond â€" in common usage in the wild â€" "Cultural Marxism" is a snarl word used to paint anyone with progressive tendencies as a secret Communist. The term alludes to a conspiracy theory in which sinister left-wingers have infiltrated media, academia, and science and are engaged in a decades-long plot to undermine Western culture. Some variants of the conspiracy alleges that basically all of modern social liberalism is, in fact, a Communist front group.
Do you need me to make you a new tin foil hat, dear?
Edit: Oh fuck me sideways, you literally just called yourself a rabid proprietor of Nazi propaganda and anti-Semitism. I never took you for a Nazi or anti-Semite... is there something you want to tell us, pr?
Quotehe conspiracist usage originated in Nazi Germany, where Kulturbolschewismus ("Cultural Bolshevism") was used to abuse political opponents. In particular, Jews purportedly were secretly orchestrating the spread of Communism (Jewish Bolshevism) as well as promoting sexual & gender permissiveness ("sexual Bolshevism").[5]
If anyone rants about "Cultural Marxists taking over culture!", feel free to remind them that they're literally spouting Nazi propaganda updated for the modern era.
QuoteOh do please try a little bit harder, child.
QED.
Ad hominem again. You cannot live without it.
Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2017, 02:00:21 AM
QED.
Ad hominem again. You cannot live without it.
Crying about someone attacking one's character... after you attack their character... hmm, what do you call that...
Oh, right. Hypocritical af. Lmao homboi, get yo shit together.
You know, someone who posts a link to prove himself correct and inadvertently links to a definition that points out his catch-phrase is just a reworded Nazi propaganda rooted in anti-Semitism for the modern age, probably shouldn't be too worried about people ad homin' all up in his business. I think you flagellating yourself far harder than I could ever dream of doing.
The best part is I tell you you are just digging your own hole... and you say, "Fuck it, hold my beer!" and just really out do yourself every time. That is truly impressive. Moronic? Certainly. But impressive non-the-less.
And commercials are over. See you in 20 or so!
QuoteCrying about someone attacking one's character... after you attack their character... hmm, what do you call that...
Please demonstrate when and how I attacked your or anyone's character.
To humour you, or not to humour you... ah fuck it, one last bone before I get off. I will only quote from this page to spare you some humiliation.
QuoteAs a true believer, you have to defend your Faith .
Implication that I am a fanatic, and have not reached my positions through (mostly) reason and adherence to my morality but rather through mindless hive think. An implication that I am too stupid to think for myself, and am akin to a fundamentalist of any religion. Perhaps not an overly grievous insult in itself, but on an atheist forum... well, I think you know that insult carries a little bit more weight to it than it would else where, don't you?
Also an implication that anyone who holds a different ideology than you is an indoctrinated fool, who have not reached their positions through reason and adherence to their morality but rather through mindless hive think. Again, on a forum of atheists and "rational" men, a pretty heavy handed insult.
Quote“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.†- Karl Popper
Same as above; the insult that I am exposed to knowledge but refusing to acquire it; i.e. , I am either an idiot or a mindless drone. While I may be an idiot, I have never claimed otherwise, that does not make it any less an insult.
QuoteYou have some serious inferiority complex.
Yet again, the fact that I disagree with you is a fault of my character rather than any actual ideological difference we may or may not have.
I am more than happy to be blunt with you; I do attack your character, or rather your persona's character, because it is a persona of a complete limp cocked asshole who probably pisses itself when it sees it's shadow.
Now, lets cut the shit and not act like you have a moral high ground on me and don't judge me for "my character", shall we, when we both know that is complete horse shit.
Your ideology has become your identity.
Disagreeing with your politics is now an insult to yourself.
Just like the religious person regards the criticism of his religion a personal insult.
A good opportunity to claim victim hood, you are being oppressed.
Welcome to the New World Order where only two classes exist. Oppressors or oppressed.
Have a nice day.
Shiranu is a young idealist. As young adults should be. Give him another 40 years, and he might be more like you, pr126 ;-)
Earlier in this string, Shiranu admits to being anti-pr126, like in this Star Trek episode ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj1FVsAA0jU
They must not meet, face to face ... the destruction of the universe might result!
Quote from: Gilgamesh on December 03, 2017, 12:53:31 AM
Shiranu, you are actually crazy.
Donald Trump saying CNN is fake news, and then Libya media going "Yeah I agree - none of the shit CNN said about us was true" does not correlate Donald or his rhetoric in any way with Libya's slave-trade. There is no logical connection there.
Let's say there's a rapist, and then a guy incorrectly accuses the rapist of also being a thief. If I correctly point out that the rapist is not a thief; I am not defending the rapists rapings in doing so.
You are on too many levels of lefty propaganda. I recommend having your cable shut off.
Usually we blame the prior administration, for stuff that happens during the current administration (maybe only partly fair). Now we are blaming the current administration, for stuff that happened during the prior administration? Republicans have time travel, and Dr Who forced Obama to run things that way 2009-2017? I saw an episode where Dr Who visited President Nixon ... so it must be real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgCwmuldYK8
More great US-British cooperation.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 02, 2017, 11:30:41 PM
(https://imgflip.com/i/20enr4)(https://i.imgflip.com/20enr4.jpg)
If genocide .. then no immigrants ;-( I happen to agree, it would have been wise to stay out of the ME since 1991.
Also, being rich as Europeans, means, that all 3rd worlders deserve to move there for the free goodies and free women ... otherwise life isn't fair ;-))
https://ourworldindata.org/global-economic-inequality
Actual data, not rhetoric.
Quote from: chill98 on December 01, 2017, 07:22:18 PM
And that is the real problem; preferring to let others explain the meaning.
I suspect that, if you actually understood what President Trump meant in most of his speeches, I would not have to worry about the people like you who support him...